>As of March 2023, the Swedish Defence Materiel Administration intends to buy the M23 in both 5.56 and 7.62 variants of different barrel lengths, as part of a larger project to replace their current small arms inventory.[5] The 5.56 personal defense weapon (SSV 24) will have a 11.5 inch barrel, an Aimpoint CompM5 red-dot sight and Magpul furniture.[9] The introduction of the 5.56 variant will start in 2025, and the 7.62 variants will begin seeing service in 2026. The 5.56 PDW variant with an 11.5" barrel will replace the current Swedish inventory of Ak 5D carbines and other PDWs, while the infantry 7.62 rifle (16" or 18") will replace existing Ak 5C rifles and Ak 4B/C rifles. The 7.62 marksman variant (18" or 20") will replace the Ak 4D DMR.
>battle rifle
>current year
but why
isn't sweden/finland like 90% dense forests where you can't throw a pine cone further than 10 meters because of all the fricking trees?
More to the point, why would you get a new 7.62mm rifle when 6.8mm gives you better ballistics at lower weight and the US has already adopted it meaning supply issues aren't nearly as much of an issue?
Adopted doesn’t equal issued, try again.
Should have just stuck with 6.5 Swedish Mauser since the 40's and saved a buttload of money.
STANAG makes it difficult to run off and do your own thing
Why would Sweden have given a frick about NATO agreements?
Because selling STANAG compatible stuff to other countries is easier?
Who is Sweden selling rifles and rifle ammo to?
based and 6.5 pilled
if it can drop a moose it can drop a zigger
How would it have saved them money?
First you must be a NATO for the STANAG to apply. And you're not. And secondly... STANAG is more what you'd call guidelines than actual rules.
Because 6.8 isn't a NATO caliber, moron.
>why
Because of bribes probably, same reason why we buy shitty patriot instead of whatever the other option was.
Please go back to jerking off to pics of Dugin's beard and leave us in peace
OK BUT WHY EVERYONE WANT AR NOW?
they always wanted AR
AR is gonna be on mars
My theory is that with Puccia getting uppity, and EU industry so anemic, the Euros are subconsciously synchronizing a bit more with their bail-out, the US.
They do look very clean, very slick, very crisp....
...v-very nice... [dry swallow]
Let's see Paul Allen's gun...
Push for One World Government.
Finnish Sako sexo
too bad we can't figure out the logistics of getting more than 500 units, at most. the fricking factory is in Finland, just get it over with already
>isn't sweden/finland like 90% dense forests where you can't throw a pine cone further than 10 meters because of all the fricking trees?
Yes, but also no
Both Finland and Sweden have massive archipelagos which have and will be battlegrounds, and in those conditions you want to be the one who shoots the fastest or hits the heaviest.
The argument between .223 and .308 in the forests is the age old "US bullets bouncing off Vietnam foliage"-meme which has kept Finland on 7,62x39
Swedens been on the 5,56 train for a while now, and most reservist guns in Finland are .223 ARs.
>isn't sweden/finland like 90% dense forests where you can't throw a pine cone further than 10 meters because of all the fricking trees?
Because moronic boomers and myopia from playing in the sandbox for too long.
>meme which has kept Finland on 7,62x39
No that has mostly been poverty/cheapness tbh.
>sandbox
Why have I seen so many homosexuals calling it this lately? Is it just you posting a lot?
>The argument between .223 and .308 in the forests is the age old "US bullets bouncing off Vietnam foliage"-meme which has kept Finland on 7,62x39
>-meme
if you call it a meme you clearly have no idea what you're talking about
go shoot innaforest more if you live in a region with dense brush
there's also one similar thing that noguns or rangelards often miss which is snow deflection
a surprisingly small amount of snow can frick up the trajectory of a bullet
but it's diminished significantly between 7.62 and 5.56 just like brush deflection
even if you don't hit any snow, if you happen to be shooting from a prone position above hardened snow it'll be like shooting barrel flat against a table; the point of impact will change like you had the most fricked up muzzle device
and again, heavier bullets are less affected
ultimately as a logistics gay I think the nato compatibility is a good trade-off for a worse primary cartridge and for the most part lighter ammo meaning more ammo will counteract the reduced effectiveness for the most part
>go shoot innaforest more if you live in a region with dense brush
I would if they'd let me
I have how done my stint in the military
>The argument between .223 and .308 in the forests is the age old "US bullets bouncing off Vietnam foliage"-meme
The Army actually tested this and found that .223 does fine in foliage. Soldiers were just missing and blaming their equipment as usual.
Sweden has plenty of open areas too, you know. As well as mountains, and a whole coast of archipelagos. Rated as 69% forest coverage, in fact.
AK4 and DMR replacement.
>isn't sweden/finland like 90% dense forests
Sweden has a lot of flat farmland
A 5.56mm carbine with 11.5 inch barrel being standard issue is moronic even if a lot of guys have 7.62mm NATO rifles.
not if that 5.56 carbine with 11.5 inch barrel is going to spend 99% of it's time stowed away in a vehicle
The 5.56mm will not be standard issue apparently. It will be issued to dog handlers, vehicle crews, MPs and the like.
they are supposed to mass issue 308 ar10s, those 11.5 guns are supposed to be special issue carbines
no its not. you can hit targets at 600 yards out of a 10.5 so an 11.5 should be even more accurate
green rifles sex sex sex
>those slabside mags
sexooo
Will be delivered with magpuls, most likely
What does SSV 24 even stand for?
Svenskt super vapen?
Självskyddsvapen
Kanske mer logiskt
When the Bundeswehr switched to 5.56 with the G36, I talked to soldiers about what they thought the biggest difference to the G3 was. Their reply was "We can't shoot through trees anymore".
So turns out countries full of woods n shit tend to prefer 7.62, not really a surprise
>Swedish military went out in news and said Sweden must prepare for war
Against who? Russia? Did they even watch the Ukraine war. If they want more funding say so but to paint up Russia as some threat again after being revealed to be absolutely incompetent is crazy. Even Finns were asking wth are the Swedes doing.
Beretta Defense doing well (they own Sako). Finland, Sweden, Italy and Romania (ARX160 A3), Argentina (ARX 200).