>all the photos google found are two-three hours ago
Didn't Russians fire general who send marines to their deaths at Vuhledar, are they still trying anyway?
Wait, is this recent? They still didn't give up on Vuhledar?
Yes they tried again, but the new commander used some new tactic called "flanking".
They even lost an artillery position because it was spotted by an ukie drone...
BMP-3s are a few months old, but tanks are new-ish.
This exact area is very funny because every week there's a new vehicle. Almost like RAF sends one piece a week to check if minefield is still there.
No you were right the first time.
It's a psy op by Boris Johnson himself. They take Ukrainian vehicles, paint a z on them and airdrop them on that field and then claim them as Russian losses.
It's downright perfidious.
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OK smart asses
How would you take vuhledar
Attack a nearby position so the Ukrainians divert resources there, sneak in with a group of special forces while Ukrainians aren't paying attention, find the mayor of vuhledar, give him a firm handshake and refuse to let go until he agrees to hand over the town.
I know this sounds crazy but hear me out, what if we don't attack vuhledar for awhile? We could move a lot of men and gear somewhere else while leaving a defending force that just holds the line. This way we can attack somewhere the enemy hasn't been building defenses for months.
Russia is running on the logic that any (required) build up of force to take something else will be spotted by NATO and therefore Ukraine would just redeploy to stop that attack therefore it is better to just keep banging your head on one particular area and hope that it breaks or forces them to redeploy reserves to hold it and that allows you to move elsewhere.
I understand that thinking but I don't get why Russia isn't trying to push past towns. If I keep attacking a town and getting BTFO and I can't launch a sneak attack then I'm going to move 5km down the road and encircle the town instead, this movement can be done in 30 minutes and gives the defender no time to react.
Because encircling it requires force multiplication that Russia doesn't have.
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Anonymous
In that case the town can't be taken without huge losses, either we don't take it, you send me more men and gear or I sneak out at night and sell everything I know to the Ukies for citizenship.
Their sentries/line of sight/whatever is great there. Also: roads. Gotta be able to feed people when you take a position.
I also assume there’s the political aspect for the Russian public and something about Russian “push” logistics driving this dumbness.
Maybe I'm not realizing the amount of supplies needed here but if I setup 10km from the nearest road that's only a 20 minute drive for a tractor that crosses those same fields all the time. By staying 5km from the town I can stare at their ATGMs and HMGs while they stare back.
>I don't get why Russia isn't trying to push past towns.
They did that the first couple of months, it resulted in the Noodle Offensive which was doomed to failure because Ukraine is actually pretty big and Russians didn't have WWII numbers of troops, so when the advance units ran out of steam, the Ukies just casually blew up the poorly defended supply train that lagged behind them, leaving the former stranded.
It wouldn't work on a much smaller scale?
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Anonymous
Encircling is like a old fashioned castle siege. It takes not only time but resources. You have to sit around the entire place, repulsing breakout attempts while getting supplies yourself. While you're doing that, you're not doing anything directly useful and the amount of forces you need to encircle is a lot and that draws from elsewhere.
Then there is the political aspect. Monke orders advances, so advances are ordered. The fact they fail is irrelevant. You attacked. The ultimate irony is that manpower is irrelevant by and large in this war. The nations can go decades before running low on men. Therefore the impact is on vehicular and supplies (and money and will). Russia seems to have a never ending source of the former and have the latter covered for now. Ukraine is 100% reliant on the West.
So my guess is Russia is hoping frontal assaults will weaken Ukraine more than it will weaken them and eventually they'll be able to push through.
>I don't get why Russia isn't trying to push past towns.
They did that the first couple of months, it resulted in the Noodle Offensive which was doomed to failure because Ukraine is actually pretty big and Russians didn't have WWII numbers of troops, so when the advance units ran out of steam, the Ukies just casually blew up the poorly defended supply train that lagged behind them, leaving the former stranded.
Encircling requires a huge amount of logistics and manpower but beyond that it doesn’t matter anyway, Russia still hasn’t figured out a way to counter infantry anti tank. They’ll just get picked off like they did in the initial invasion, all they can do it slowly grind and hope Ukraine gives up.
>somewhere the enemy hasn't been building defenses for months
Is there anywhere like that at this point? The southern front hasn't moved at all for about a year now, the east is the old contact line so was already fortified. The only vaguely unfortified area would be up north around Lyman, which is a forested nightmare anyway.
drop a tactical nuke, this is the only method they have left. they are too moronic otherwise to do anything. and will probably still frick it up. and get nuked back
>order nuke strike >Ukraine immediately flees after being given the heads up by 5 eyes >nuke empty no man’s land >irradiate entire Wagner brigade that immediately rushes in
It's amazing how many idiots think that a nuke would automatically end the conflict, instead of turning matters into a nuclear battlefield which the Russians are utterly unequipped for. Even China and India would also turn on them.
Small drone with thermals laser guiding artillery shells or paveways onto reds and after doing that for a while attacking with mechanized equipment that can see
as if russia still has the resources to maintain their giant tardigrades. the US and maybe china are the only countries that can deploy their colossal protostomia at scale
Attack a few more times exactly the same way.
Then fire the Commander responsible and declare that Russia never wanted to conquer Vuledhar to begin with.
Make a few shitposts about how Ukraine actually suffered way more casualties in Vuledhar than the Russians and call it a day.
>whats the best strategy for smashing your head against a wall
there isnt any, the best way to take vuhgledar is probably now firmly out of the capabilities of the current russian army
MAYBE if they wait until the Ukis run out of AA missiles they can try some CAS alongside their assault, but thats assuming the US leaked documents are legitimate and not another ruse like the Kherson offensive, and the russian intelligence is so bad that possibility cannot be ruled out
There was a video of a tank starting to turn around on a minefield after some other vehicles hit mines. It exploded, too.
They must be pretty well conditioned to never even consider using the reverse gear.
Those vehicles look mostly intact with just some track and ERA damage, so another case of abandooning. Expect those to be added to the Ukrainian vehicle inventory pretty soon.
I'm usually against whiny junior officer, tactical reformer nonsense and for logistical/industrial/systems superiority.
However designing all of your tanks with only one reverse gear is such a penny thrift pound stupid decision.
Modern tanks have quite literally 10 times more protection on the front than anywhere else on the tank; making it necessary to stick your ass towards the enemy is the most idiotic sunk cost, even more than the carousel or the crappy gun depression.
Literally how much more space would two more gears take?
There had to be some apparatchik rationalising this because they were worried that tankers would run over infantrymen if they could reverse faster than a brisk pace.
Because Russian tanks were expected to be destroyed en masse by NATO air force in a theoretical Cold War Gone Hot scenario. They were literally there to bait NATO air forces for the Russians to use their mass AA systems to down. With the hope that 12,000 tanks would eventually get through to Berlin (or wherever) simply because there wasn't enough air craft left to stop them.
To get to the Atlantic coast of the Iberian and France. Russia already controlled half of Berlin and the immediate environs (hence the Berlin Airlift).
Soviet doctrine also revolved around the fact that the already controlled half of Europe. So they could rush to deny the US landing locations by pushing quickly through West Germany and France before the US could mobilize.
More to exploit intermediate yield nuke spam. The USSR army wasn't designed to fight anything except partisans to be ethnically cleansed, hence current day Ukraine.
what a chad. If only he had the balls to once and for all break the neck of the red plague. Something his closeted marxist predecessor did not have
Truman loses points for not nuking the chinks.
I think it's cultural, unironically. An attitude of contempt/disposability is so baked-in with how Russia regards its soldiers, and all the Soviets did was double down on it.
>He should have let MacArthur finish his fricking job
You know that Americans instantly started pushing back Chinese the moment MacArthur was replaced? You know that intelligence reported that Chinese were amassing troops on border ready to attack and MacArthur disregarded that?
Bullshit, the moment MacArthur had been replaced the UN forces had already withdrawn past the 38 parallel, mostly because General Walker was a coward who overestimated the strength of the Chinese forces and retreated the 8th army from Pyongyang then got himself killed in a traffic accident like the stupid SOB he was.
MacArthur wanted to start pushing the Chinese back, but Truman was afraid of his popularity back home and wanted a to bunker up and seek a truce.
The US suffered 700 killed soldiers at the Battle of the Ch'ongch'on River, the Chinese suffered 5000. The US had 250k troops vs 220k chinese troops, and yet Truman and a lot of american generals were too afraid to go on the offensive. They'd fallen captive to the post war mentality where any battle with more than 100 americans killed is seen as a national tragedy for some reason
Its simple anon, the V2 was bad at reversing when they first designed it during WW2
Since every single russian tank built since uses the V2 (except the t14) this means that all russian tanks are bad at reversing
They never fixed the problem because they can't, its as simple as that
You could build a transmission with a planetary gear in front and have identical F/R speeds. Or somehow jerryrig a commercial mechanical-hydraulic hybrid drive into a tank and have the best there is.
BMP-3s are a few months old, but tanks are new-ish.
This exact area is very funny because every week there's a new vehicle. Almost like RAF sends one piece a week to check if minefield is still there.
They are once again seeing a group of dead vehicles and driving past them.
This is what’s funny about Bakhmut, the town was already invested and surrounded by artillery are the Russians even capable of breaking out across open country to besiege the next town at this point? These armoured thrusts are getting bodied at Vuhledar it’s not even close.
Yeah, that's why I don't get why they have stayed. It seems crazy.
Russia is going to run out of equipment before men. Just keep back up and making them close on open ground. Eventually you watch the last T-34s drive into landmines and from there on its just mowing down men on foot with belt feds until someone kills the Tsar again.
Absolute moron. Every single monitoring station in the hemisphere will know within 48 hours that a nuke was dropped. We're talking everyone from civilian nuke engineers to DARPA xeno-tech guys will know.
Been away since last friday and took a break from the internet and the news cycle. Did anything of note happen over the last week? I've heard some sekrit shit got leaked?
>"flash" detection satellites >isotope analysis
Everyone will know you used a nuke no matter how small it is, a nuclear grenade would be detected from space.
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you moron, a burst from even a mini nuke will throw out a shitton of neutrinos which will be detected by hundreds of dedicated monitoring stations used for treaty compliance and frick up scientific instruments used to detect cosmic rays. it would be unmistakeable, and the world would know within minutes
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That's not how nuke detection works you absolute cretin, just take the L and frick off with your pre-school tier fantasies.
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Black person we were able to detect soviet nuke tests deep within Russia just from minute differences in radioactivity in the air and seismographs back in the 60s. What makes you think we aren't capable of doing that again with all the advances in tech?
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I'm a basic b***h petroleum geologist and we would know within a day or two after the SQL databases updated from our Star arrays. Instruments actually designed to look for that would know almost immediately
You guys are expecting too much from member of nation that put reactive armour on civilian car
A nuclear explosion is extremely distinct from space. Its a double flash and there are 100s of satellites that are looking for them.
Everyone will know within minutes of one being used.
you moron, a burst from even a mini nuke will throw out a shitton of neutrinos which will be detected by hundreds of dedicated monitoring stations used for treaty compliance and frick up scientific instruments used to detect cosmic rays. it would be unmistakeable, and the world would know within minutes
Thats not how nukes work moron you cant chain detonate them because they require very specific forces that are very fricking precise.
A bomb going of besides a nuke will ruin the nuke.
Also noone will belive russia. Its not like they are known liars or anything
>And who is going to go there to take samples if russia dont allow them?
You know so little about everything I have to assume you are a tourist.
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/society/20140514STO47018/forsmark-how-sweden-alerted-the-world-about-the-danger-of-chernobyl-disaster
homie Chernobyl was an open fricking reactor dropping the same radioactivity to the ground than 10 daily Hiroshimas. We are talking about a tactical mini nuke of 100m radius. Those thing barely leave radiation.
You have no idea about fast and slow neutrons or prompt criticality and it's extremely distinct radionuclide signature apparently. Do you enjoy working at Burger King?
Yeah, but that would require using their heavy bombers. And they've kept those far away from the front, because Ukraine has the capability to shoot those down.
They "have" the FOAB, in the same sense they "have" Armatas.
They blew some shit up that might or might not have been an actual prototype bomb in 07 to one-up the US (who built the MOAB in 2003), basically "we built our own MOAB but it's bigger nyeh-nyeh."
No one has photographed it ever since and all of the claims Russia has made about it (like it being GLONASS guided) are literally just dude trust me.
>You can deny that it was a nuclear explosion
This is not feasible, nukes have a thumbprint. We can tell you where they got the fissiles, as in what mine they were dug from.
>"The Ukrainians were hiding a large amount of nuclear waste in the middle of an urban area that came from a power station 100 miles away"
homie who is going to buy this
Black person we were able to detect soviet nuke tests deep within Russia just from minute differences in radioactivity in the air and seismographs back in the 60s. What makes you think we aren't capable of doing that again with all the advances in tech?
I'm a basic b***h petroleum geologist and we would know within a day or two after the SQL databases updated from our Star arrays. Instruments actually designed to look for that would know almost immediately
What the frick makes Vuhledar so easy to defend? It's clear Ukraine doesn't have that many troops in there, from the videos we see it's just a couple footsoldiers with ATGMs. Their actual firepower is outside the city. So what gives? Is it just because the town is literally 100% highrise buildings and the everything around is flat?
Doesnt look that small. A city like that you can have a battalion of guys just taking cover in the basements and then a platoon or a squad in each apartment block. Rotate those guys every 8 hours and you are gucci if you can support the town logistically. Honnestly the only thing the russians could do is to take out those buildings causing the ukrainians to have less AT position. Time a tank push well with an artillery barrage to supress the AT teams outside and hope your tanks and infantry are close enough by the time the ukrainian AT's go out of cover again
>supress the AT teams outside
my dude, the south side of that city alone has over 300+ windows facing outwards. How you gonna suppress all those possible AT nests?
yuo see ivan
if there are 300+ window
get 300+ konscript. one for each window
then yuo will never fear the AT window if there is man for every window, Дa?
its flat as a pancake around vuhledar. also the ukies 72nd brigade is relatively top tier, and there aren't any wagner units attacking, only moronic vatBlack folk.
Doesnt look that small. A city like that you can have a battalion of guys just taking cover in the basements and then a platoon or a squad in each apartment block. Rotate those guys every 8 hours and you are gucci if you can support the town logistically. Honnestly the only thing the russians could do is to take out those buildings causing the ukrainians to have less AT position. Time a tank push well with an artillery barrage to supress the AT teams outside and hope your tanks and infantry are close enough by the time the ukrainian AT's go out of cover again
It's a very strange town. It's essentially just a bunch of taller buildings in the middle of open fields. It's small enough for opposite sides to have fire support for each other, and big enough that you need a large force to capture it. It's unironically the closest modern-day equivalent to an ancient fortress-city, and even without all the mines and artillery, it'd be one of Ukraine's hardest targets to attack. And that's a good thing for Ukraine, because its location is also pivotal
bro our testing stations all over Europe are going to detect a massive increase in atmospheric isotopes that are only consistent with a nuclear blast within hours.
Is there a possibility that Russia makes gains in Vuledhar by bashing their heads against it for 8 months and slowly pushing through like they're doing at Bakhmut?
>all the photos google found are two-three hours ago
Didn't Russians fire general who send marines to their deaths at Vuhledar, are they still trying anyway?
Yes they tried again, but the new commander used some new tactic called "flanking".
They even lost an artillery position because it was spotted by an ukie drone...
This commander has two more tries before he will be fired and new one will be appointed
The Russian cope maps have vuhludar completely surrounded are they lying?
WHY DON'T THEY JUST GO AROUND
lol. honestly i'm wondering if like Ukraine is paying russian commanders to do frontal suicidal assaults.
>Surely the Ukrainians would never extend the minefield a little bit to the right of the town, we'll charge right in.
Why you flanking me?
yes, but that was almost a month ago, i think.
Pretty sure he was promoted and them shortly after fired.
Shit was cash.
Have I ever told you the definition of insanity?
Those are clearly Abrams and Bradleys with the British V for Victory marking.
Jesus Christ, what a shitshow. Imagine if those were american Abrams and Bradleys, you would never hear the end of it.
Wait, is this recent? They still didn't give up on Vuhledar?
they attacked the hamlet again yesterday and it went about as good as we've come to expect Russian attacks on Vuhledar to go.
Vuhledar must be taken for the greater glory of Nova-Russia.
Doesn't matter that itcan't be taken, try they must.
Soon, we will see Supvernova-russia
BMP-3s are a few months old, but tanks are new-ish.
This exact area is very funny because every week there's a new vehicle. Almost like RAF sends one piece a week to check if minefield is still there.
What is the Royal Air Force doing in Ukraine? WTF?
Obviously RUAF. Sorry, thought no one here is stupid enough to not get that typo.
RuAF or VSS.
No you were right the first time.
It's a psy op by Boris Johnson himself. They take Ukrainian vehicles, paint a z on them and airdrop them on that field and then claim them as Russian losses.
It's downright perfidious.
Nice try Putler.
>few months old
Date of the photo? Its been snowing week ago.
OK smart asses
How would you take vuhledar
Attack a nearby position so the Ukrainians divert resources there, sneak in with a group of special forces while Ukrainians aren't paying attention, find the mayor of vuhledar, give him a firm handshake and refuse to let go until he agrees to hand over the town.
Underrated
I know this sounds crazy but hear me out, what if we don't attack vuhledar for awhile? We could move a lot of men and gear somewhere else while leaving a defending force that just holds the line. This way we can attack somewhere the enemy hasn't been building defenses for months.
Prereq for that kind of option is to not have the fetal alcohol trait
Russia is running on the logic that any (required) build up of force to take something else will be spotted by NATO and therefore Ukraine would just redeploy to stop that attack therefore it is better to just keep banging your head on one particular area and hope that it breaks or forces them to redeploy reserves to hold it and that allows you to move elsewhere.
Villages and settlements change hands regularly.
I understand that thinking but I don't get why Russia isn't trying to push past towns. If I keep attacking a town and getting BTFO and I can't launch a sneak attack then I'm going to move 5km down the road and encircle the town instead, this movement can be done in 30 minutes and gives the defender no time to react.
Because encircling it requires force multiplication that Russia doesn't have.
In that case the town can't be taken without huge losses, either we don't take it, you send me more men and gear or I sneak out at night and sell everything I know to the Ukies for citizenship.
Maybe I'm not realizing the amount of supplies needed here but if I setup 10km from the nearest road that's only a 20 minute drive for a tractor that crosses those same fields all the time. By staying 5km from the town I can stare at their ATGMs and HMGs while they stare back.
It wouldn't work on a much smaller scale?
Encircling is like a old fashioned castle siege. It takes not only time but resources. You have to sit around the entire place, repulsing breakout attempts while getting supplies yourself. While you're doing that, you're not doing anything directly useful and the amount of forces you need to encircle is a lot and that draws from elsewhere.
Then there is the political aspect. Monke orders advances, so advances are ordered. The fact they fail is irrelevant. You attacked. The ultimate irony is that manpower is irrelevant by and large in this war. The nations can go decades before running low on men. Therefore the impact is on vehicular and supplies (and money and will). Russia seems to have a never ending source of the former and have the latter covered for now. Ukraine is 100% reliant on the West.
So my guess is Russia is hoping frontal assaults will weaken Ukraine more than it will weaken them and eventually they'll be able to push through.
Their sentries/line of sight/whatever is great there. Also: roads. Gotta be able to feed people when you take a position.
I also assume there’s the political aspect for the Russian public and something about Russian “push” logistics driving this dumbness.
>I don't get why Russia isn't trying to push past towns.
They did that the first couple of months, it resulted in the Noodle Offensive which was doomed to failure because Ukraine is actually pretty big and Russians didn't have WWII numbers of troops, so when the advance units ran out of steam, the Ukies just casually blew up the poorly defended supply train that lagged behind them, leaving the former stranded.
Encircling requires a huge amount of logistics and manpower but beyond that it doesn’t matter anyway, Russia still hasn’t figured out a way to counter infantry anti tank. They’ll just get picked off like they did in the initial invasion, all they can do it slowly grind and hope Ukraine gives up.
>Villages and settlements change hands regularly.
Sounds l8ke even the grannys are taking on alot of solider "liberators".
>somewhere the enemy hasn't been building defenses for months
Is there anywhere like that at this point? The southern front hasn't moved at all for about a year now, the east is the old contact line so was already fortified. The only vaguely unfortified area would be up north around Lyman, which is a forested nightmare anyway.
declare Vuhledar legally captured
Drop paratroopers on the control points. Duh.
Mein Führer, i would simply wait for Steiner.
bomb
drop a tactical nuke, this is the only method they have left. they are too moronic otherwise to do anything. and will probably still frick it up. and get nuked back
>order nuke strike
>Ukraine immediately flees after being given the heads up by 5 eyes
>nuke empty no man’s land
>irradiate entire Wagner brigade that immediately rushes in
It's amazing how many idiots think that a nuke would automatically end the conflict, instead of turning matters into a nuclear battlefield which the Russians are utterly unequipped for. Even China and India would also turn on them.
This but on Stockholm to send HATO a message that the eyebrows are raised and they must now understand.
Small drone with thermals laser guiding artillery shells or paveways onto reds and after doing that for a while attacking with mechanized equipment that can see
this would work if they had the Krasnopols to spare, which they were running short of even during the faint of Kherson.
need i say more?
How could a giant tardigrade help Russia take Vuhledar?
as if russia still has the resources to maintain their giant tardigrades. the US and maybe china are the only countries that can deploy their colossal protostomia at scale
sus
Attack a few more times exactly the same way.
Then fire the Commander responsible and declare that Russia never wanted to conquer Vuledhar to begin with.
Make a few shitposts about how Ukraine actually suffered way more casualties in Vuledhar than the Russians and call it a day.
Drop a nuke on it, I know you wanna do it, just do it 🙂
>whats the best strategy for smashing your head against a wall
there isnt any, the best way to take vuhgledar is probably now firmly out of the capabilities of the current russian army
MAYBE if they wait until the Ukis run out of AA missiles they can try some CAS alongside their assault, but thats assuming the US leaked documents are legitimate and not another ruse like the Kherson offensive, and the russian intelligence is so bad that possibility cannot be ruled out
I would and instead would rape and then kill Vladimir Putin.
*wouldn’t
it is quiet simple,
>invent a time machine, set the time to 1991 Aughust 23RD
>BOOM Vuhledar captured easiest way
I would air assault lightly equipped infantry onto the closest airfield.
Picture unrelated
>Vuhledar will be the new Bakhmut but with vehicle spam instead of Wagner human waves.
Unlike Bahkmut, vuhludar is literally pure open fields
Any infantry attacking is literally just going to die to drones and snipers all day.
These are BMP3s and Late model T72 variants, aren’t they?
Also, why does back right tank have ass facing enemy?
5kmph reverse speed so they have to turn the whole tank around if they want to run away
cowards, russia not need reverse speed, only forward for rodina*~~)
because they can only reverse at 4km/h, so the best guess is he turned to run away.
There was a video of a tank starting to turn around on a minefield after some other vehicles hit mines. It exploded, too.
They must be pretty well conditioned to never even consider using the reverse gear.
Reverse gear was uninstalled from tanks prior to SMO.
If you were a mobik, would you want your ass to be facing the enemy or your fellow Russians?
Bottom left is a T-80, Smooth engine deck and rear-mounted exhaust. I think it's a BV, given the Kontakt-1 and the location of the smoke dispensers.
No, it's a T-80BV and a T-72A(V), the BV is fairly modern by Russian standards, but the T-72A is ancient.
>T-72AV
It's clearly a T-72B variant due to the Kontakt-5. T-72As only ever got Kontakt-1
>He doesn't know of T-72A obr 2022
many sad
It's clearly not a T-72A.
>No ERA literally on top oof the gun mount
no, sorry, it ain't a T-72B
What?
It's a T-72B 1989 or later. It's clearly got the Kontakt-5 roof ERA variation.
i stand corrected
T-72AV in comparison has Kontakt-1 on the roof with 3 bricks mounted above the gun mantlet
Oops we did it again!
Those vehicles look mostly intact with just some track and ERA damage, so another case of abandooning. Expect those to be added to the Ukrainian vehicle inventory pretty soon.
You can see the tracks hanging off two of them, they hit mines.
I'm usually against whiny junior officer, tactical reformer nonsense and for logistical/industrial/systems superiority.
However designing all of your tanks with only one reverse gear is such a penny thrift pound stupid decision.
Modern tanks have quite literally 10 times more protection on the front than anywhere else on the tank; making it necessary to stick your ass towards the enemy is the most idiotic sunk cost, even more than the carousel or the crappy gun depression.
Literally how much more space would two more gears take?
There had to be some apparatchik rationalising this because they were worried that tankers would run over infantrymen if they could reverse faster than a brisk pace.
Because Russian tanks were expected to be destroyed en masse by NATO air force in a theoretical Cold War Gone Hot scenario. They were literally there to bait NATO air forces for the Russians to use their mass AA systems to down. With the hope that 12,000 tanks would eventually get through to Berlin (or wherever) simply because there wasn't enough air craft left to stop them.
To get to the Atlantic coast of the Iberian and France. Russia already controlled half of Berlin and the immediate environs (hence the Berlin Airlift).
Soviet doctrine also revolved around the fact that the already controlled half of Europe. So they could rush to deny the US landing locations by pushing quickly through West Germany and France before the US could mobilize.
and having decent reverse gear increasing tactical options in local combat conditions hinders their strategic fantasy wankery exactly how?
More to exploit intermediate yield nuke spam. The USSR army wasn't designed to fight anything except partisans to be ethnically cleansed, hence current day Ukraine.
Truman was a beast.
Hope they put his 'cretin' quote in the new Oppenheimer biography.
what a chad. If only he had the balls to once and for all break the neck of the red plague. Something his closeted marxist predecessor did not have
Truman loses points for not nuking the chinks.
I think it's cultural, unironically. An attitude of contempt/disposability is so baked-in with how Russia regards its soldiers, and all the Soviets did was double down on it.
He should have let MacArthur finish his fricking job, but he was far too gay to allow that to happen
Frick Truman
>He should have let MacArthur finish his fricking job
You know that Americans instantly started pushing back Chinese the moment MacArthur was replaced? You know that intelligence reported that Chinese were amassing troops on border ready to attack and MacArthur disregarded that?
I know that if MacAuthur had his way there would be no Chinese invasion to begin with.
Bullshit, the moment MacArthur had been replaced the UN forces had already withdrawn past the 38 parallel, mostly because General Walker was a coward who overestimated the strength of the Chinese forces and retreated the 8th army from Pyongyang then got himself killed in a traffic accident like the stupid SOB he was.
MacArthur wanted to start pushing the Chinese back, but Truman was afraid of his popularity back home and wanted a to bunker up and seek a truce.
The US suffered 700 killed soldiers at the Battle of the Ch'ongch'on River, the Chinese suffered 5000. The US had 250k troops vs 220k chinese troops, and yet Truman and a lot of american generals were too afraid to go on the offensive. They'd fallen captive to the post war mentality where any battle with more than 100 americans killed is seen as a national tragedy for some reason
Its simple anon, the V2 was bad at reversing when they first designed it during WW2
Since every single russian tank built since uses the V2 (except the t14) this means that all russian tanks are bad at reversing
They never fixed the problem because they can't, its as simple as that
You could build a transmission with a planetary gear in front and have identical F/R speeds. Or somehow jerryrig a commercial mechanical-hydraulic hybrid drive into a tank and have the best there is.
Driving on the minefield again?
>They're doing it again
>They're rushing B bylat
>They're getting turned into humiliation pics afterwards
Was there at least combat here or did they just drive directly into obvious land mine locations again?
See
They are once again seeing a group of dead vehicles and driving past them.
Note the tracks. Granted visibility is poor but arty delivered mines are fricking these fools up daily.
This is what’s funny about Bakhmut, the town was already invested and surrounded by artillery are the Russians even capable of breaking out across open country to besiege the next town at this point? These armoured thrusts are getting bodied at Vuhledar it’s not even close.
Yeah, that's why I don't get why they have stayed. It seems crazy.
Russia is going to run out of equipment before men. Just keep back up and making them close on open ground. Eventually you watch the last T-34s drive into landmines and from there on its just mowing down men on foot with belt feds until someone kills the Tsar again.
Apparently they’re not.
Or they don’t have the mech to do it with.
Or they don’t have the manpower to do it with.
>You can deny that it was a nuclear explosion
Absolute moron. Every single monitoring station in the hemisphere will know within 48 hours that a nuke was dropped. We're talking everyone from civilian nuke engineers to DARPA xeno-tech guys will know.
>This is actually a good idea.
It's absolutely fricking moronic and would probably get NATO directly involved.
Been away since last friday and took a break from the internet and the news cycle. Did anything of note happen over the last week? I've heard some sekrit shit got leaked?
>"flash" detection satellites
>isotope analysis
Everyone will know you used a nuke no matter how small it is, a nuclear grenade would be detected from space.
wtf double trips
You guys are expecting too much from member of nation that put reactive armour on civilian car
Couldn't you drop you drop 100tons of conventional instead?
Why drop a 100ton nuke (0.1kt) and risk escalation?
A nuclear explosion is extremely distinct from space. Its a double flash and there are 100s of satellites that are looking for them.
Everyone will know within minutes of one being used.
Nuclear waste doesn't contain the short half-life isotopes that are produced by bombs, there is no way to hide an above ground nuclear detonation.
you moron, a burst from even a mini nuke will throw out a shitton of neutrinos which will be detected by hundreds of dedicated monitoring stations used for treaty compliance and frick up scientific instruments used to detect cosmic rays. it would be unmistakeable, and the world would know within minutes
Thats not how nukes work moron you cant chain detonate them because they require very specific forces that are very fricking precise.
A bomb going of besides a nuke will ruin the nuke.
Also noone will belive russia. Its not like they are known liars or anything
That’s not how it works dude. Nuclear waste=steady decay. Nuclear bomb=intense radiation burst
That's not how nuke detection works you absolute cretin, just take the L and frick off with your pre-school tier fantasies.
>And who is going to go there to take samples if russia dont allow them?
You know so little about everything I have to assume you are a tourist.
https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/society/20140514STO47018/forsmark-how-sweden-alerted-the-world-about-the-danger-of-chernobyl-disaster
homie Chernobyl was an open fricking reactor dropping the same radioactivity to the ground than 10 daily Hiroshimas. We are talking about a tactical mini nuke of 100m radius. Those thing barely leave radiation.
True but it was detected and IDed by a safety monitor 1,100km away, now imagine what non-proliferation detection can do 40 years later.
You have no idea about fast and slow neutrons or prompt criticality and it's extremely distinct radionuclide signature apparently. Do you enjoy working at Burger King?
doesnt russia have a MOAB/FOAB equivalent to avoid something nuclear but to achieve the same result?
FOAB is Russian.
Yeah, but that would require using their heavy bombers. And they've kept those far away from the front, because Ukraine has the capability to shoot those down.
They also have no capability to manufacture any of their heavy bombers any more.
They "have" the FOAB, in the same sense they "have" Armatas.
They blew some shit up that might or might not have been an actual prototype bomb in 07 to one-up the US (who built the MOAB in 2003), basically "we built our own MOAB but it's bigger nyeh-nyeh."
No one has photographed it ever since and all of the claims Russia has made about it (like it being GLONASS guided) are literally just dude trust me.
>You can deny that it was a nuclear explosion
This is not feasible, nukes have a thumbprint. We can tell you where they got the fissiles, as in what mine they were dug from.
Jesus christ you really don't know anything about this subject do you lol
We can accurately map the ocean floor from our sats. Detecting a neutron burst from a tactical nuke is nothing
>"The Ukrainians were hiding a large amount of nuclear waste in the middle of an urban area that came from a power station 100 miles away"
homie who is going to buy this
Will it stop the vatnik from screeching it?
this is like, the Verdun of AFVs
If that's Verdun, then what's this?
The Teutoburg of tanks, obviously
Spaghetti offensives
Another step in the right direction.
another shoah
bozhe moi!
pidorashka
Black person we were able to detect soviet nuke tests deep within Russia just from minute differences in radioactivity in the air and seismographs back in the 60s. What makes you think we aren't capable of doing that again with all the advances in tech?
I'm a basic b***h petroleum geologist and we would know within a day or two after the SQL databases updated from our Star arrays. Instruments actually designed to look for that would know almost immediately
same old vehicles from like 2 months ago
Is that the 155th again?
apparently so. They got reconstituted again with mobiks and pushed once more into the breach.
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Wait frick that's not a 3 that's an 8
What the frick makes Vuhledar so easy to defend? It's clear Ukraine doesn't have that many troops in there, from the videos we see it's just a couple footsoldiers with ATGMs. Their actual firepower is outside the city. So what gives? Is it just because the town is literally 100% highrise buildings and the everything around is flat?
It's tall buildings surrounded by open flat plains. The ukies sit on top of the buildings and spot Russian advances from a long way away.
Yes basically plus the fact there is no cover for 10 miles and Russians can't CAS or artillery bunkers for shit
Doesnt look that small. A city like that you can have a battalion of guys just taking cover in the basements and then a platoon or a squad in each apartment block. Rotate those guys every 8 hours and you are gucci if you can support the town logistically. Honnestly the only thing the russians could do is to take out those buildings causing the ukrainians to have less AT position. Time a tank push well with an artillery barrage to supress the AT teams outside and hope your tanks and infantry are close enough by the time the ukrainian AT's go out of cover again
>supress the AT teams outside
my dude, the south side of that city alone has over 300+ windows facing outwards. How you gonna suppress all those possible AT nests?
yuo see ivan
if there are 300+ window
get 300+ konscript. one for each window
then yuo will never fear the AT window if there is man for every window, Дa?
its flat as a pancake around vuhledar. also the ukies 72nd brigade is relatively top tier, and there aren't any wagner units attacking, only moronic vatBlack folk.
It's a very strange town. It's essentially just a bunch of taller buildings in the middle of open fields. It's small enough for opposite sides to have fire support for each other, and big enough that you need a large force to capture it. It's unironically the closest modern-day equivalent to an ancient fortress-city, and even without all the mines and artillery, it'd be one of Ukraine's hardest targets to attack. And that's a good thing for Ukraine, because its location is also pivotal
I mean
I'm not going to tell you not to try it, just because it would be funny
but no, you can't hide a nuclear detonation.
again though, please do frick around and find out
bro our testing stations all over Europe are going to detect a massive increase in atmospheric isotopes that are only consistent with a nuclear blast within hours.
Are they rotating units and sending them into the same minefields without a briefing just for fun?
all quiet on the Vuhledar front
Is there a possibility that Russia makes gains in Vuledhar by bashing their heads against it for 8 months and slowly pushing through like they're doing at Bakhmut?