Not a weight weenie but I don't take anything I won't use, don't REALLY need.
Zoomer in regards that everyday sneakers and trail runners are superior to hiking boots, except when I need waterproofing and bushwhacking wayy offtrail.
Modern stoves are great
Big fan of Stanleys stainless steel pot. 24 oz and weighs like 7ounces
Internal backpacks that weigh ~2lbs are great
Baggy basketball shorts are top tier shorts
Frick prana kulh patagonia arcteryx cotopaxi
False dichotomy.
Items that touch the ground I prefer to be as durable and long lasting as I can get. Consumables, clothing and food can be light homosexual shit.
on this note, you should minimize the amount of items that touch the ground, or keep them as cheap as possible. i use a polycryo ground cloth which fortunately is cheap AND durable. i use a DCF fly which is expensive as hell and fragile, but it never touches the ground and, since it's a flat tarp, i can always pitch it to minimize bias stretch so it'll last much longer.
Every fat frick I see on the trails has supportsticks. Most serious hikers are powered by leg strength and don't need aids. The guy in your pic doesn't look like he needs gaypoles and probably just poses with them to advertise on his website for affiliate revenue. To sell to moronic heroworshipers like you.
>He cannot recognize STEVE CLIMBER, the outdoor's ultimate enthusiast
2 years ago
Anonymous
All celebrities in any field are paid shills anyway so you can't trust them. If it's possible to film or photograph them using a gadget they will hold the gadget in the hand while climbing/skiing/doing other things better than you ever will.
Not saying that trekking poles are bad or whatever, I just think the opinions of these celebrities/influencers should be disregarded because they're all paid shills. They are literal living billboards, that's their job.
Idk for sure, but I'm guessing it's kind of like walking on all 4s. I reckon they'd be useful for fast flowing water crossings where the rocks are really slippery as it would allow you to brace your weight into the current to stop getting pushed over and getting all your shit wet.
>they'd be useful for fast flowing water crossings where the rocks are really slippery
Yeah mate, 100%.
We can't go anywhere here without numerous crossings, and they're AWESOME for that.
Also when it gets ridiculously muddy on steep slopes.
In almost every other situation, it's just carrying extra shit. (Not a weight thing, it's just more STUFF if you know what I mean.)
I thought they were ridiculous until I was given a couple and decided to try one. Unsure why I'd ever want two though. Maybe when I'm a bit older and less steady.
they transfer weight from your legs, which can make a huge difference with full pack over big mileage. they give extra contact points if you're unfomfortble with footing. I don't use them, but the utility is obvious.
turns hiking from a 100% lower body workout to more like 60% lower 40% upper with proper technique.
makes bombing up & down mountains faster by letting you safety take a faster pace. especially downhill.
and then backpackers will use them as a structural part of their shelter. a nice thing about them is they telescope, so you can tension your tarp/tent from inside nice and toasty dry when the material sags during long storms.
Idk for sure, but I'm guessing it's kind of like walking on all 4s. I reckon they'd be useful for fast flowing water crossings where the rocks are really slippery as it would allow you to brace your weight into the current to stop getting pushed over and getting all your shit wet.
yeah they're insanely useful for river crossings. mountain declines too. they act as 'brakes' instead of your knee joints doing so.
It’s hiking. The point is getting out there and doing it. Obsessing over gear vs what you’re doing with it is what I was taking issue with.
An experienced hiker knows these things and doesn’t need to ask out’s opinion about it. It’s a bit like the weekend golfer jelqing to $5k titanium clubs and $100 slazenger hopium filled balls. It’s silly dick measuring.
Like, just go hiking. Too heavy? Drop weight. Whatever, it’s a hobby. obsessing over the minutiae is so moronic.
depends where you're hiking and live though. my backyard is a treacherous mountain range full of alpine lakes, you kind of do have to put conscious thought into gear if you're hiking outside of a couple months out of the year.
just use them and try to push with your triceps as you step forward in your stride and you'll figure it out. also use them while going downhill to decrease the impact. they are amazing and i bring 0-2 depending on conditions and the weight I'm packing (more weight and worse conditions means more poles)
I'm a millennial, the sensible middle ground.
Carrying over 25% of your bodyweight means your knees will give out in 20 years. My father in law was ex military and he basically lost 2 years of his life to knee surgeries making him immobile, and now can barely walk a mile.
Pretty much this. my packs base weight is 25 pounds, which has a full tent/sleeping bag/mattress, a cook set, a few tools and gadgets and my hygiene crap.
Minimalist boomer gear. Ultralight is a meme for pencil necks to cope with being weak, but boomers sometimes carry the dumbest shit. I'll take a good hatchet and solid gear that's stood the test of time over spending my money on plastic shit just because it's 4oz lighter for the bow-legged hispanics that pollute my trail. Worst case scenario, I get a good work out. Just my personal choice, no I'm not going to read the low T seething in my (you)s.
>Ultralight is a meme for pencil necks to cope with being weak
Amen to that. Build some damn upper body strength if you're too much of a weak scrawny homosexual to haul a heavier pack on your hiking and backpacking trips.
>hurr durr you're a weak homosexual
You're Black folk that can't plan for the future.
how the frick do you fit a tent in that tiny pack
it's impossible
ultralight doesn't exist, it's all fake like youtubers are fake. ultralighters just book a room in the secret ultralighter hotel in the ultralight forests. the backpacks are empty
it is a fake pic notice how neither of their backpacks are the right size and its a stock photo
but for your first question the ultralighter's tent is like 1/4 the size of yours compressed and if it wasn't a stock photo it would probably be strapped below or above the pack or something.
or he could be a hammock user, they pack into smaller pieces.
Minimalist boomer gear. Ultralight is a meme for pencil necks to cope with being weak, but boomers sometimes carry the dumbest shit. I'll take a good hatchet and solid gear that's stood the test of time over spending my money on plastic shit just because it's 4oz lighter for the bow-legged hispanics that pollute my trail. Worst case scenario, I get a good work out. Just my personal choice, no I'm not going to read the low T seething in my (you)s.
>Ultralight is a meme for pencil necks to cope with being weak
Amen to that. Build some damn upper body strength if you're too much of a weak scrawny homosexual to haul a heavier pack on your hiking and backpacking trips.
what do you do with your free hands while you hike? do you just point at the shit you see? if you're against trekking poles would you also be against a cool gandalf staff that makes you look like a wandering wizard?
External frame uber alles. I don't backpack long distances though. Just a few miles innamountains with more booze and ammo than an ultralighter's entire base weight. Don't litter, kids.
>I hate gearhomosexualry but love actually great gear.
I hike and fly fish, so I live and breathe this, but squared.
If there is one outdoor activity that accessories to excess more than hiking, it's definitely got to be fly fishing. There is a gadget for everything, a retractor for every gadget, rods and reels to catch everything from minnows to tarpon, and a fly for every species, size, and season.
idk about that one bro sounds like a weekend warrior summergay thing to say. if u ever talk to ppl who backpack almost 100% of them have made a lighterpack or done the same thing on a napkin before. its mostly just 15-25 year old teenagers with this mentality where weight doesn't matter because you're born into a post-onions 911 world with zero natural outlets for masculinity left socially acceptable unless you're a Black person. even boomers will drop weight if you tell them about that new fangled titanium version of the thing they're using. they see the value they're just set in their ways and do what worked for them 20 years ago.
https://i.imgur.com/9TqQXWh.jpg
Boomer because zoomers never actually go PrepHole so the gear they buy never goes through any real world use.
nah you have it all wrong
zoomers are all trad larper retvrn to tradition
millenials and xers are ultralight Black folk
boomers are recreational backpackers
It’s hiking. The point is getting out there and doing it. Obsessing over gear vs what you’re doing with it is what I was taking issue with.
An experienced hiker knows these things and doesn’t need to ask out’s opinion about it. It’s a bit like the weekend golfer jelqing to $5k titanium clubs and $100 slazenger hopium filled balls. It’s silly dick measuring.
Like, just go hiking. Too heavy? Drop weight. Whatever, it’s a hobby. obsessing over the minutiae is so moronic.
>Obsessing over gear vs what you’re doing with it is what I was taking issue with.
i'm just saying everyone who hikes a lot is p obsessive with their gear and has probably put thought into what they bring in fact this is the only community for PrepHole on the internet where most of the users don't post their gear lists + what they're hiking and let other ppl roast it. those are some of the most active threads on all the forums ppl actually go outside on.
but yeah i agree with the sentiment esp when the audience is PrepHoleBlack folk who just need to go outside and they'll figure out the rest.
>those are some of the most active threads on all the forums ppl actually go outside on.
Confirmed for never posting on any forums outside of this shithole. Most people on real hiking forums are actually talking about their OUTINGS (you know, actually going outside and doing shit) instead of circlejerking over their gear like you homosexuals constantly do.
Not to mention >calling people larpers ("Nuh uh, you!") >feeling superior to others over doing some basic b***h shit like going camping, wearing trendy outdoor clothing, or being huwhite
Lmao this is the worst outdoors related community on the internet ainec
outings and shakedowns make up most of the day to day posting along with misc. geargayging.
Every fat frick I see on the trails has supportsticks. Most serious hikers are powered by leg strength and don't need aids. The guy in your pic doesn't look like he needs gaypoles and probably just poses with them to advertise on his website for affiliate revenue. To sell to moronic heroworshipers like you.
idk whats supposed to be chad about not getting an upper body workout when you hike. i like running down mountains fast and i like having knees when i turn 40 so trekking poles are a must. its annoying not to bring them, you have to pace yourself and go slow on declines. if i lived in a different state with less mountains i probably would not bring them all the time though. i always hiked in the cascades & rockies so everyone has poles usually or they're mountain hillbillies.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>you have to pace yourself and go slow on declines
That's where you're wrong, on declines with a heavy pack it's way easier if you walk fast/run down.
Speaking out of experience.
>those are some of the most active threads on all the forums ppl actually go outside on.
Confirmed for never posting on any forums outside of this shithole. Most people on real hiking forums are actually talking about their OUTINGS (you know, actually going outside and doing shit) instead of circlejerking over their gear like you homosexuals constantly do.
You’re both right. People who go out ofte and post on other forums mostly talk about their adventures, but they also obsess over their gear and post gear lists. I do t blame people for not doing so here. There’s a pervasive board culture of being an butthole because it’s anonymous and there’s extremely lax moderation. Plus the Covid tourists would immediately derail any gear critique with moron-tier suggestions.
yeah i dunno. i do a lot of back country trips, and I like to read an opinion or two before committing to an expensive gear purchase or pack strategy. I do agree that obsess too much over this stuff, but I think your extreme stance is pretty silly
Yeah I pointed this out a few weeks ago when the picture was posted.
The pack on the left has a visible gap behind the guys shoulder. The load is pulling away from his center of gravity at an awkward angle. It looks like it’s not cinched down. He’s not using a sternum strap.
The hip belt on the right pack is even with the guys ass rather than his hips. It’s unbuckled (and he’s wearing jeans, lol).
As a bikepacker my set up was put together with that in mind, weight and volume matter but I'm no weight weenie. I tend to favour reliability and durability over ultralightness when it comes to anything that relates keeping my bike rolling, bare minimum but good quality tools, the bikes components etc, but where I can save weight elsewhere I do.
The very first “selfie sticks” were simple plastic attachments that could slide onto the end of a tracking pole and had a 1/4-20 screw for mounting an actual camera. This was before everybody and their grandma had a smartphone.
People that spend $500+ on a 2 man tent that they will not be using in negative temperatures above the tree line are silly.
Gear gays are the worst. For all we know the guy on the left could have $5,000 in gear and the guy on the right maybe $700, and I bet the guy on the right has more fun, and sets up a more comfortable camp.
Forced ruck marches and field ops in the army forever ruined the idea of carrying heavy loads any sort of distsnce. While chasing superUL/trailrunning weights is just as moronic as the kitchen-sink-plus-platoon-crossloaded-gear 90+lb ruck, I try to pack as light as I can these days.
Not a weight weenie but I don't take anything I won't use, don't REALLY need.
Zoomer in regards that everyday sneakers and trail runners are superior to hiking boots, except when I need waterproofing and bushwhacking wayy offtrail.
Modern stoves are great
Big fan of Stanleys stainless steel pot. 24 oz and weighs like 7ounces
Internal backpacks that weigh ~2lbs are great
Baggy basketball shorts are top tier shorts
Frick prana kulh patagonia arcteryx cotopaxi
I think that neither is optimized
False dichotomy.
Items that touch the ground I prefer to be as durable and long lasting as I can get. Consumables, clothing and food can be light homosexual shit.
on this note, you should minimize the amount of items that touch the ground, or keep them as cheap as possible. i use a polycryo ground cloth which fortunately is cheap AND durable. i use a DCF fly which is expensive as hell and fragile, but it never touches the ground and, since it's a flat tarp, i can always pitch it to minimize bias stretch so it'll last much longer.
Oh yeah and trekking poles are amazing. Done >3000' climbs across 10 miles with 15% of my body weight on back, and zero foot pain, zero leg fatigue.
So in other words, you're with the boomers when it comes to hiking gear. Over and out.
>mogs your legs
>mega your hikes
>does both with trekking poles
How will you ever cope?
Every fat frick I see on the trails has supportsticks. Most serious hikers are powered by leg strength and don't need aids. The guy in your pic doesn't look like he needs gaypoles and probably just poses with them to advertise on his website for affiliate revenue. To sell to moronic heroworshipers like you.
>cope
Most serious hikers use trekking poles.
Yeah buddy, look at that poser. Not sure if he is a serious hiker given the gaypoles.
Who?
Are there actual celebrities of walking?
>He cannot recognize STEVE CLIMBER, the outdoor's ultimate enthusiast
All celebrities in any field are paid shills anyway so you can't trust them. If it's possible to film or photograph them using a gadget they will hold the gadget in the hand while climbing/skiing/doing other things better than you ever will.
Not saying that trekking poles are bad or whatever, I just think the opinions of these celebrities/influencers should be disregarded because they're all paid shills. They are literal living billboards, that's their job.
Can you provide any photographic evidence that you go outside?
My pleasure
You are either Over, or you are Out. You can't be both
I don't undersrand what trekking poles are for. Are they just like a fancy walking stick? Are you supposed to lean on them? Balance?
Idk for sure, but I'm guessing it's kind of like walking on all 4s. I reckon they'd be useful for fast flowing water crossings where the rocks are really slippery as it would allow you to brace your weight into the current to stop getting pushed over and getting all your shit wet.
>they'd be useful for fast flowing water crossings where the rocks are really slippery
Yeah mate, 100%.
We can't go anywhere here without numerous crossings, and they're AWESOME for that.
Also when it gets ridiculously muddy on steep slopes.
In almost every other situation, it's just carrying extra shit. (Not a weight thing, it's just more STUFF if you know what I mean.)
I thought they were ridiculous until I was given a couple and decided to try one. Unsure why I'd ever want two though. Maybe when I'm a bit older and less steady.
they transfer weight from your legs, which can make a huge difference with full pack over big mileage. they give extra contact points if you're unfomfortble with footing. I don't use them, but the utility is obvious.
turns hiking from a 100% lower body workout to more like 60% lower 40% upper with proper technique.
makes bombing up & down mountains faster by letting you safety take a faster pace. especially downhill.
and then backpackers will use them as a structural part of their shelter. a nice thing about them is they telescope, so you can tension your tarp/tent from inside nice and toasty dry when the material sags during long storms.
yeah they're insanely useful for river crossings. mountain declines too. they act as 'brakes' instead of your knee joints doing so.
depends where you're hiking and live though. my backyard is a treacherous mountain range full of alpine lakes, you kind of do have to put conscious thought into gear if you're hiking outside of a couple months out of the year.
just use them and try to push with your triceps as you step forward in your stride and you'll figure it out. also use them while going downhill to decrease the impact. they are amazing and i bring 0-2 depending on conditions and the weight I'm packing (more weight and worse conditions means more poles)
Mid weight but with ultra light gear is comfy
I'm a millennial, the sensible middle ground.
Carrying over 25% of your bodyweight means your knees will give out in 20 years. My father in law was ex military and he basically lost 2 years of his life to knee surgeries making him immobile, and now can barely walk a mile.
Pretty much this. my packs base weight is 25 pounds, which has a full tent/sleeping bag/mattress, a cook set, a few tools and gadgets and my hygiene crap.
>hurr durr you're a weak homosexual
You're Black folk that can't plan for the future.
I dunno I just go PrepHole
how the frick do you fit a tent in that tiny pack
it's impossible
ultralight doesn't exist, it's all fake like youtubers are fake. ultralighters just book a room in the secret ultralighter hotel in the ultralight forests. the backpacks are empty
it is a fake pic notice how neither of their backpacks are the right size and its a stock photo
but for your first question the ultralighter's tent is like 1/4 the size of yours compressed and if it wasn't a stock photo it would probably be strapped below or above the pack or something.
or he could be a hammock user, they pack into smaller pieces.
Minimalist boomer gear. Ultralight is a meme for pencil necks to cope with being weak, but boomers sometimes carry the dumbest shit. I'll take a good hatchet and solid gear that's stood the test of time over spending my money on plastic shit just because it's 4oz lighter for the bow-legged hispanics that pollute my trail. Worst case scenario, I get a good work out. Just my personal choice, no I'm not going to read the low T seething in my (you)s.
>Ultralight is a meme for pencil necks to cope with being weak
Amen to that. Build some damn upper body strength if you're too much of a weak scrawny homosexual to haul a heavier pack on your hiking and backpacking trips.
>upper body
post yours
what do you do with your free hands while you hike? do you just point at the shit you see? if you're against trekking poles would you also be against a cool gandalf staff that makes you look like a wandering wizard?
I practice karate moves.
Based. I've been living wrong all these years.
External frame uber alles. I don't backpack long distances though. Just a few miles innamountains with more booze and ammo than an ultralighter's entire base weight. Don't litter, kids.
You leave behind empty booze bottles and empty casings.
Nope.
Never bothered to think about it and I really don't care. I use what I like.
Boomer because zoomers never actually go PrepHole so the gear they buy never goes through any real world use.
This is correct. Picrel is how zoomers go outside. This generation is fricked when it comes to survival and conservation.
OP got btfo
I hate gearhomosexualry but love actually great gear.
>I hate gearhomosexualry but love actually great gear.
I hike and fly fish, so I live and breathe this, but squared.
If there is one outdoor activity that accessories to excess more than hiking, it's definitely got to be fly fishing. There is a gadget for everything, a retractor for every gadget, rods and reels to catch everything from minnows to tarpon, and a fly for every species, size, and season.
>go hiking
>bring what you want
>using what you have
anything beyond this is preening like a woman.
are you a woman anon?
stop acting like one.
idk about that one bro sounds like a weekend warrior summergay thing to say. if u ever talk to ppl who backpack almost 100% of them have made a lighterpack or done the same thing on a napkin before. its mostly just 15-25 year old teenagers with this mentality where weight doesn't matter because you're born into a post-onions 911 world with zero natural outlets for masculinity left socially acceptable unless you're a Black person. even boomers will drop weight if you tell them about that new fangled titanium version of the thing they're using. they see the value they're just set in their ways and do what worked for them 20 years ago.
nah you have it all wrong
zoomers are all trad larper retvrn to tradition
millenials and xers are ultralight Black folk
boomers are recreational backpackers
It’s hiking. The point is getting out there and doing it. Obsessing over gear vs what you’re doing with it is what I was taking issue with.
An experienced hiker knows these things and doesn’t need to ask out’s opinion about it. It’s a bit like the weekend golfer jelqing to $5k titanium clubs and $100 slazenger hopium filled balls. It’s silly dick measuring.
Like, just go hiking. Too heavy? Drop weight. Whatever, it’s a hobby. obsessing over the minutiae is so moronic.
>Obsessing over gear vs what you’re doing with it is what I was taking issue with.
i'm just saying everyone who hikes a lot is p obsessive with their gear and has probably put thought into what they bring in fact this is the only community for PrepHole on the internet where most of the users don't post their gear lists + what they're hiking and let other ppl roast it. those are some of the most active threads on all the forums ppl actually go outside on.
but yeah i agree with the sentiment esp when the audience is PrepHoleBlack folk who just need to go outside and they'll figure out the rest.
>those are some of the most active threads on all the forums ppl actually go outside on.
Confirmed for never posting on any forums outside of this shithole. Most people on real hiking forums are actually talking about their OUTINGS (you know, actually going outside and doing shit) instead of circlejerking over their gear like you homosexuals constantly do.
Not to mention
>calling people larpers ("Nuh uh, you!")
>feeling superior to others over doing some basic b***h shit like going camping, wearing trendy outdoor clothing, or being huwhite
Lmao this is the worst outdoors related community on the internet ainec
outings and shakedowns make up most of the day to day posting along with misc. geargayging.
idk whats supposed to be chad about not getting an upper body workout when you hike. i like running down mountains fast and i like having knees when i turn 40 so trekking poles are a must. its annoying not to bring them, you have to pace yourself and go slow on declines. if i lived in a different state with less mountains i probably would not bring them all the time though. i always hiked in the cascades & rockies so everyone has poles usually or they're mountain hillbillies.
>you have to pace yourself and go slow on declines
That's where you're wrong, on declines with a heavy pack it's way easier if you walk fast/run down.
Speaking out of experience.
With no poles is what I mean. Forgot to say.
You’re both right. People who go out ofte and post on other forums mostly talk about their adventures, but they also obsess over their gear and post gear lists. I do t blame people for not doing so here. There’s a pervasive board culture of being an butthole because it’s anonymous and there’s extremely lax moderation. Plus the Covid tourists would immediately derail any gear critique with moron-tier suggestions.
yeah i dunno. i do a lot of back country trips, and I like to read an opinion or two before committing to an expensive gear purchase or pack strategy. I do agree that obsess too much over this stuff, but I think your extreme stance is pretty silly
I'm a millennial and I'm a massive LARPer with a military ruck
neither of their backpacks fit right
Yeah I pointed this out a few weeks ago when the picture was posted.
The pack on the left has a visible gap behind the guys shoulder. The load is pulling away from his center of gravity at an awkward angle. It looks like it’s not cinched down. He’s not using a sternum strap.
The hip belt on the right pack is even with the guys ass rather than his hips. It’s unbuckled (and he’s wearing jeans, lol).
I'm a millennial anon, I neither boom nor zoom
I'm Gen X, I also neither boom nor zoom.
As a bikepacker my set up was put together with that in mind, weight and volume matter but I'm no weight weenie. I tend to favour reliability and durability over ultralightness when it comes to anything that relates keeping my bike rolling, bare minimum but good quality tools, the bikes components etc, but where I can save weight elsewhere I do.
guy on left is daytripping, or like 1 night max. Guy on right is going on a weeklong
>zoomer hiking gear
What's that, an iPhone with tiktok?
The very first “selfie sticks” were simple plastic attachments that could slide onto the end of a tracking pole and had a 1/4-20 screw for mounting an actual camera. This was before everybody and their grandma had a smartphone.
DAMN, that boomer has the same folding saw that I do,
I like my creature comforts.
People that spend $500+ on a 2 man tent that they will not be using in negative temperatures above the tree line are silly.
Gear gays are the worst. For all we know the guy on the left could have $5,000 in gear and the guy on the right maybe $700, and I bet the guy on the right has more fun, and sets up a more comfortable camp.
Buying a winter tent for summer camping is equally silly.
Well I’m not so fat I can fasten my waist belt so I guess Zoomers?
Zoomers dont go PrepHole
Forced ruck marches and field ops in the army forever ruined the idea of carrying heavy loads any sort of distsnce. While chasing superUL/trailrunning weights is just as moronic as the kitchen-sink-plus-platoon-crossloaded-gear 90+lb ruck, I try to pack as light as I can these days.