Are we seeing in Ukraine what we saw in WW1 with weaponry advancing so much, so fast that commanders don't know how to properly utilize them resulting in stalemate?
Are we seeing in Ukraine what we saw in WW1 with weaponry advancing so much, so fast that commanders don't know how to properly utilize them resu...
No
No, it's just that war is difficult. Bear in mind the breakthrough in Desert Storm was facilitated by a 5 week air campaign that had a sustained sortie rate over three times higher than the VKS could manage just on the first day of the Ukraine invasion.
If anything Ukrainian vehicle losses have been surprisingly low, Cold War planners assumed front line vehicle losses would be near total after a week.
The duality of /k/
I'd say there is a high number of preventable losses, but that is as much getting used to the battlefield and scale of combat as it is the tech advancement. You can't micromanage operations or learn lessons so quickly in a situation like this, so mistakes will be repeated
Yes, very much. Think drones for example, Ukraine loses 300 or so drones every day, mostly due to jamming. If these drones were purpose built, there are very cheap measures against jamming, but nobody expected drones to play such a big role, so they were unprepared. Same goes for tanks. The whole tank is worth nothing if a javelin can easily shit all over it, so all tanks need to come with APSs now. But they didnt think it would be such a big factor before this war started.
>Ukraine loses 300 or so drones every day
Source?
He’s talking about the $200 off the shelf chink drones you can buy pretty much anywhere
yes
https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraine-losing-10000-drones-month-russia-electronic-warfare-rusi-report-2023-5?IR=T
it was reported by the ukrainian military. we dont know how much the russians are losing, because they are using less of them and in less dangerous missions. but the drone is clearly meant to be a disposable munition, not a combat vehicle, and this is a lesson they didnt know going into the war.
No, the stalemate is given by the lack of air superiority.
>Are we seeing in Ukraine what we saw in WW1 with weaponry advancing so much,
this did not happen in WW1
>so fast that commanders don't know how to properly utilize them resulting in stalemate?
what are you talking about?
the early stages of the war saw the russians make huge gains
followed by equally fast losses of the gains in the north and a slow but steady loss of ground in the south
the front has slowed down because of the vast imbalance of power between ukraine and russia, forcing ukraine to be more conservative about when and where they engage in force
but they are able to conduct operations and scratch back territory
No. Expecting modern warfare from E.European shitholes and drunk slavs is just moronic. All the big blunders of this war have been caused by moronation and corruption, not fancy new weapon technology.
burh ALL warfare is a sequence of bullshit blunders caused by moronation.
The winner is the one who makes the next-to-last mistake.
Even 'murica makes dumb mistakes all the time, it's just that it's able to fix the consequences when they find out about them.
>resulting in stalemate?
This isn't a normal war, the war started in 2014 then went on hiatus for 8 years while both sides dug in opposite of each other. Time to dig in is the number one factor in trench warfare.
No it was caused by the inability of both sides to create a meaningful advantage over its adversary. Be it from a lack of ammunition, vehicles or manpower.
You can see that the moment one side got even nearly modern gear that the course started to shift.
No. We see two armies incapable of performing combined arms operations for differing reasons (one has no equipment or training, the other is incompetent)
No
no, we are seeing israeli theater.
One army in theory should be much bigger and better supplied but is so incompetent and the other side is much smaller but making do with what it's given and fighting like hell. It's like if a giant drunkard kept trying to punch a ripped dwarf but he either misses or hits too softly while the dwarf keeps trying to punch him in the dick with what strength he has.
No. The solution to all of the problems Ukraine is experiencing, is air power.
THIS IS WHAT EVERYONE IS SEEING
jesus frick...brutal. Gotta give credit to the mother fricker that managed to tourniquet his leg then hop back in. Any US soldier in his position would have b***hed about wanting a medevac like some pussy
What happened to the guy at the end? Mine?
yeah, looks like his knee hit a mine
took an arrow to the knee
Imagine getting mutilated and crippled for life just because some orc subhuman from another country hates your country from existing. Then imagine he'll probably get away with it. Bullet to the head/lifelong imprisonment at best and comfy retirement at his dacha at worst. And there's a legion of smaller orcs on the internet thinking you absolutely deserve all the pain and suffering you go through.
Human rights really are a joke. We Westerners are so pampered by civilization we can't even imagine anything like that could even happen to us, ever. While in fact it's just the sorry state this godforsaken world is in.
No, it's literally the opposite, with Russia being incompetent and having severely outdated equipment, while Ukraine is under-equipped and lacks an air force, but has enough semi-advanced, situational equipment to counter Russia's outdated shit and poorly trained infantry.
It’s hard to judge because Russia has basically used WW2 tier doctrines while not committing the required manpower for it (not that they can equip it with their small economy and without support anyway…).
The only two innovations we have seen are the use of small drones for short range recon and ubiquitous modern atgm.
The most disappointing thing is probably the complete incapacity of Russia to leverage air superiority however. People shit on their infantries and armors but they’re supposed to basically clean pockets of resistance after the airforce bombed the frick out of the enemy in such an asymmetric conflict, not assault positions like in Verdun.
I think it's a similar thing but not so much "commanders don't know how to properly utilize advances" as much as "the tools for assaulting are hard countered by the tools for defending"
the "weaponry advancing so much" in wwi was pretty much just the machine gun making traditional pushes obsolete, and the railroad meaning that 1 trench behind the front was always well supplied while the trench you just captured was now practically indefensible.
likewise in ukraine, if the position you are assaulting has 3 anti tank launchers for every tank, apc, mrap, jeep, and scooter you send at them, traditional pushes with armor aren't going to work.
>stalemate?
Germany lost.
We are seeing a similar situation to ww1 in that defensive operations are drastically easier than offensive ones and the sides are relatively evenly matched, resulting in more or less stalemate
Rapid tech advancement itself is not really an issue, its simply that the current state of of military technology / the capabilities of the belligerents means that neither side can achieve a dominant position
No, we're seeing a distractionary theatre meant to keep the eyes of the world away from the Anuradhapura stargate activation work in sri lanka which is being carried out using civil unrest as a local cover
One thing that seems under mentioned is the effect of almost omnipotent satellite reconnaissance and long range precision fires on the ability to concentrate forces at the strategic level.
It's almost impossible to sneak a brigade anywhere now and if you do stack 5 brigades on one section of the front the enemy will smack their C2 and logistical tail with precision long range artillery.
That as much as anything is contributing to the slow grinding at the strategic level.
There is very little suprise and and very little opportunity for exploitation with the levels of dispersion.
The Kharkiv rout was only possible because the Russian defence was an absolute shitshow in that sector, which enabled penetration, but also allowed the attackers to be relatively light-footed and inconspicuous.