dunno about Sweden but Finland has spent last 70 years being prepared against Soviet/Russian invasion and whole Finland's society could be changed to crisis/war mode in a blink of an eye. 1/5 of population has military training. Most buildings have bomb shelters and everyone knows/is instructed what to do when bombs start falling. Pharmacies have 6-12 months worth of medicine and there's 6 months of strategic supplies stored in secure places. I can tell the Finnish are more than ready
> Finland has spent last 70 years being prepared against Soviet/Russian invasion
No.
During the Cold War, Finland was beholden to russia, limited by treaty to a small Air Force, minimal navy and forced to buy russian garbage weapons.
The russians also held a veto over who could be president and important policy decisions.
Finlandization it was called. During the Cold War, it was Sweden who had their entire society geared towards total war against russian invasion.
After the cold war, it switched and Finland armed up like crazy whereas Sweden transformed into hippies.
200+ years of peace.
Don't know where it came from but Swedes particularly after the cold war were super smug about being an 'humanitarian superpower'.
>whereas Sweden transformed into hippies.
Why did they do this?
200+ years of peace.
Don't know where it came from but Swedes particularly after the cold war were super smug about being an 'humanitarian superpower'.
Cold war ended and no one cared much for the army anymore so just divert the money somewhere else. The societal readiness Finland has now used to be Sweden but even more well developed.
I'm not, it's fricking hot and im sweating my balls off. I'll just drink beer and shoot cans with my 10/22 while some mpkk reservist wankers with their fancy ARs can go and do something.
Are you me but European?
It's like 90-95F here right now, yesterday I'm just out in the woods with a 22 doing a "straw hat pirate" cosplay and seeing if I can figure out holds for 300
>I'm not, it's fricking hot and im sweating my balls off. I'll just drink beer and shoot cans with my 10/22 while some mpkk reservist wankers with their fancy ARs can go and do something.
Both the 10/22 and ARs are considered "assault rifles" in my state and they'll very likely be banned during the next legislative session. Normal capacity mags (10+ rounds) have already been banned and the ban will go into effect on July 1st. I should just move back to Finland from this dystopian woke shithole.
t. Finnish expat in America
Well you see I am from Finland and my deep analysis is that while us Finns are moronic and autistic but the Russians are only moronic so there's no way they can win.
Hello, I am Pekka from the North-Savo oblast and I agree with this sentiment. Truly us Finlandians are doomed now. The mighty Russian air forces will annihilate Helsinki once they acquire enough Garmin GPS systems for their fighters. There is no hope.
>depression and victim complex phase
You're right, lol, but stage 5 is stage 1 in this case, though. Back then, when you asked, 'how could you bomb this and that civilian building, level the whole town, etc.?', they'd say something chuuni like, 'it's the consequence of not knowing your place in this world as a weak country', and so on.
It's honestly just lashing out against everyone like a paranoid schizophrenic. >'Russia strong!' >'America fears us!' >'We could sink Britain in a day!' >'People that disagree are traitors and need to be killed!'
They went from average dictatorship to North Korea. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see them praise Putin as a higher being soon. They seem to be panicking, in my opinion.
American blokes were fun to operate with but they seriously have zero idea how to use their vehicles in a forested environment. Good infantry tactics though, and impressive leadership.
Swedes probably not.
Finland yes, we have been prepping for an all out war for decades, and that includes prepairing for russia using bio, chemical, and nuclear weapons without restraint.
Bunkers everywhere stockpile everything and repopulate the dystopian post-apocalyptic hellscape with Finns. Thousands of years after the old superpowers are but ash and faint memories the spurdo will live on. To us the US and Russia and China are but pawns.
Dispersal, NBC protected vehicles, well dug in bunkers (won't help against a direct hit, but it does make "near enough" harmless), protective gear, training.
Yeah but what about aftermath you need to survive for 2 years or something like that before you can expect temperature to go above -10 C
Cold has never bothered finns, and we do literally have 95% of the country made from material that can be used to keep ourselves warm (also before you ask, the majority of finnish homes can be warmed by burning wood).
Most plants and animals will die through 2 years winter, and you can't harvest anything do you have food for 2 years ?
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Shitton of green houses around here, population is encouraged to keep month of food storage even during the peacetime, the country itself keeps half a year storage during peacetime.
But yeah, could get hungry at some point if the foreign trade does not pick up quick enough.
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Anon you see nuclear winter makes weather cold because of dust high in stratosphere that will block a sun, no sun no plants.
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>no sun
That's half a year every year around here.
Cold has never bothered finns, and we do literally have 95% of the country made from material that can be used to keep ourselves warm (also before you ask, the majority of finnish homes can be warmed by burning wood).
That's not a nuclear strike, that's all out nuclear war with the full arsenals used. And you can't really prepare for it, so you mostly just don't worry about it.
-10 is like t-shirt weather my dude.
Cold has never bothered finns, and we do literally have 95% of the country made from material that can be used to keep ourselves warm (also before you ask, the majority of finnish homes can be warmed by burning wood).
It isn't about you freezing, it's about the planet's agriculture (and all the edible stuff you can find in your forests) getting FUBAR by a triple whammy of climate change, lack of fuel and lack of fertilizers.
Nuclear Winter is a myth created by people who wanted the West to unilaterally disarm. To create their claim, they tortured numbers into Mark Twain's 3rd type of lie (statistics).
First, they took Hiroshima and Nagasaki, looked at the estimated amount of particulates released into the atmosphere, and then performed a straight-line extrapolation against the total number of kilotons on both sides. This is garbage. Square-cube law don't work that way, and all that. Plus, Imperial Japanese cities had the unusual quirk that they were made from wood frames with rice paper walls, and most of them contained pot-belly stoves for cooking. The bombs knocked over the flimsy houses on top of the stoves, and they smoldered for days on end. That is not going to happen anywhere today.
Oh, and then they added some fudge factors to make the numbers look scarier. So, yeah, it's total garbage, and events like Saddam's oil well fires and several volcanic eruptions that outdid what a nuclear exchange would do have proved it.
I always thought the particulate numbers came from models depicting forest fires since thermonuclear weapons have higher temperature yields that increase fireballs and hot debris.
Obviously it’s impossible to extrapolate because when the nukes hit (summer vs winter) and other factors determine the range of damage.
Dispersal, NBC protected vehicles, well dug in bunkers (won't help against a direct hit, but it does make "near enough" harmless), protective gear, training.
Finnland 100% ready.
Sweden no, and at this point will take 5-8 years to get their shit together.
And both countries will get the referendum soon, im pretty sure Finnland with recive almost 99% yes, yet Swedecucks will vote for NO.
Sweden loves to vote NO in a referendum it's a tradition to them.
I don't know about Sweden, but there will be no referendum in Finland. The popular support for NATO is strong and the people's representatives already voted on the matter.
There is broad consensus among the political parties in Sweden about joining NATO. The only ones opposed and therefore calling for a referendum are the anti-western commies and the environmentalist hippies who are currently polling below the cutoff for a place in parliament. There will be no referendum in Sweden. It is neither required, nor desired by the overwhelming parliamentary majority.
> Are they combat ready?
Do they have nukes?
If not, they are not ready. When their major cities get nuked it'll be game over. The hohol scenario "we don't target civilians" won't work in another conflict. If anything, vatniks don't have tanks left to lose in another half-assed "invasion".
This. Nukes are not nearly as dangerous as people think they are, that was a Chink/KGB psyop to a) frick over western nuclear powerplants b) try to get the west to disarm and turn pacifist.
Assuming the enemy has no functioning reconnaissance anymore, otherwise would that not get easily seen and nuked again along with all your specialists and construction equipment
You can transport cargo without ports and railways, you can build pontoon bridges and ferries to cross rivers, you can land on improvised runways, you can distribute all stores and equipment, however it all gets rather inconvenient and reduces throughput and utility
>In recent years declassified documents have shown that Sweden was much closer to possessing the nuclear bomb than previously thought. By 1965 most of the bomb was already built and another 6 months would have been needed to arm it, had the project been given the green light. Another two bombs would have been built shortly thereafter.
>The option to continue development of weapons was abandoned in 1966, and Sweden's subsequent signing of the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in 1968 began the wind-down of the program, which finally concluded in 1972. Sweden was strongly influenced to abandon its nuclear weapons program by the United States.
Given that they’d be up against Trash-72 or Trash-80s, they’re more than enough.
Looking at how the vatniks waste tanks in Ukraine, they might be reduced to using Trash-62s.
That's why Sweden wont join a shit, sandBlack folk are too deep into their bowls and Swedecucks only care about Somali Cum supply.
Finland in the other hand knows Russia is a threat and dont care about this bullshit.
it's actually astounding how hard Kakabaveh got cucked. They survived the vote thanks to her and then made a deal with Erdogan instantly.
Now SHE is talking about opening a vote of no confidence LMAO >trusting Social Democrats even once
very few nato country are, tho. and it's not like they need to be, the US is the only country that is currently fighting an actual war, the rest are, at best, fighting a proxy war with russia. destroyers, submarines, heavy bombers, flying fortresses and long range missiles are just not needed. same with pretty much every form of infantry, safe for some spec ops units and transportation. of course every nation is maintaining some form of an army on paper but 99% of them are engineering and peacekeeping forces.
Finland has some 230.000 of 1st line of reserve forces, plus additional some 700.000 2nd and 3rd line of draft reservists, all with conscript military training of 6 to 13 months and frequent rehersals. In addition to well equipped and modernized military capability, including airforce with F16’s that can operate from highway airfields scattered all around Finland, largest artillery in Europe, largest naval mine arsenal and largest coastal artillery with anti ship missiles on wheels, as well as small fast navy missile boats capable of closing all sea traffic in for example on Bay of Finland leading to St Petersburg and large part of Nothern Baltic Sea.
Additionally 700.000 finns have sone 1.500.000 guns stored at home, including 50.000 reservists with an AK or AR type semi-auto ”reservists rifle”. More than 200.000 moose & deer hunters take marksmanship test every 3 years and most are equipped with scoped rifle and belong to annorganized local hunting association. Most finns have a second countryside house or holiday home capable for off-grid survival and are equipped and used to outdoor life.
In recent international survey finns had the highest number of citizens in favour of fighting against a superior enemy, with uncertain outcome!
"frequent" rehearsals.
they've been improving the situation, but I had my conscription a decade ago and have never been invited to any refresher training. this aspect desperately needs more budget.
>230.000 of 1st line reserve forces
280k >Additionally 700.000 finns have sone 1.500.000 guns stored at home
Finland's firearm rate (firearms per 100k citizens) is lower than in Sweden, Germany, France or Canada. A lot of fudds but it's not a gun country.
dunno about Sweden but Finland has spent last 70 years being prepared against Soviet/Russian invasion and whole Finland's society could be changed to crisis/war mode in a blink of an eye. 1/5 of population has military training. Most buildings have bomb shelters and everyone knows/is instructed what to do when bombs start falling. Pharmacies have 6-12 months worth of medicine and there's 6 months of strategic supplies stored in secure places. I can tell the Finnish are more than ready
> Finland has spent last 70 years being prepared against Soviet/Russian invasion
No.
During the Cold War, Finland was beholden to russia, limited by treaty to a small Air Force, minimal navy and forced to buy russian garbage weapons.
The russians also held a veto over who could be president and important policy decisions.
Finlandization it was called. During the Cold War, it was Sweden who had their entire society geared towards total war against russian invasion.
After the cold war, it switched and Finland armed up like crazy whereas Sweden transformed into hippies.
>whereas Sweden transformed into hippies.
Why did they do this?
200+ years of peace.
Don't know where it came from but Swedes particularly after the cold war were super smug about being an 'humanitarian superpower'.
Soviet subversion via socialists and their 'Wouldn't it be nice' programs.
Cold war ended and no one cared much for the army anymore so just divert the money somewhere else. The societal readiness Finland has now used to be Sweden but even more well developed.
We are set!
God, there will never be a domestically produced animation as kino as Itsevaltiaat
Time start buying military stuff,
I swear US just let this confilct happen because it will save its economy thanks to selling weapons.
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>I swear US just let this confilct happen because it will save its economy thanks to selling weapons.
Yes and?
I'm not, it's fricking hot and im sweating my balls off. I'll just drink beer and shoot cans with my 10/22 while some mpkk reservist wankers with their fancy ARs can go and do something.
Are you me but European?
It's like 90-95F here right now, yesterday I'm just out in the woods with a 22 doing a "straw hat pirate" cosplay and seeing if I can figure out holds for 300
>I'm not, it's fricking hot and im sweating my balls off. I'll just drink beer and shoot cans with my 10/22 while some mpkk reservist wankers with their fancy ARs can go and do something.
Both the 10/22 and ARs are considered "assault rifles" in my state and they'll very likely be banned during the next legislative session. Normal capacity mags (10+ rounds) have already been banned and the ban will go into effect on July 1st. I should just move back to Finland from this dystopian woke shithole.
t. Finnish expat in America
Come south of the Mason-Dixon, if you can stand the heat.
Yeah, you fricking should. Why'd you come here in the first place?
They're better useful as buffer states.
The Sankt Petersburg gonna a buffer, friendo.
Knowing a few people living in Petersburg, they wouldn't need much convincing to be part of Finland.
Best to make into a free city-state like Singapore.
That would be the preferred long term outcome, of course. I hope to see the day of the balkanisation of Russia.
That amount of Russians would be a disaster for Finland.
the problem is quite easily solvable - the germans had a good crack at it
Well at least in Karelia it's unironic decolonization to remove them.
>5 millions of urbanite hipster russians free to go to Finland
That would be bad for finnish culture indeed
Finland is beyond ready. Also, :DDDDDD Benis
Well you see I am from Finland and my deep analysis is that while us Finns are moronic and autistic but the Russians are only moronic so there's no way they can win.
Finland, yes.
Sweden, mostly no.
They're not ready to face the Russian bear. And with this foolish move they might as well have to soon. Really soon.
Hello, I am Pekka from the North-Savo oblast and I agree with this sentiment. Truly us Finlandians are doomed now. The mighty Russian air forces will annihilate Helsinki once they acquire enough Garmin GPS systems for their fighters. There is no hope.
What level of cope is Russian TV propaganda operating under now?
stage 4
>depression and victim complex phase
You're right, lol, but stage 5 is stage 1 in this case, though. Back then, when you asked, 'how could you bomb this and that civilian building, level the whole town, etc.?', they'd say something chuuni like, 'it's the consequence of not knowing your place in this world as a weak country', and so on.
It's honestly just lashing out against everyone like a paranoid schizophrenic.
>'Russia strong!'
>'America fears us!'
>'We could sink Britain in a day!'
>'People that disagree are traitors and need to be killed!'
They went from average dictatorship to North Korea. I honestly wouldn't be surprised to see them praise Putin as a higher being soon. They seem to be panicking, in my opinion.
t. Can watch and understand it
WE WUZ MONGOLZ N' SHIIIT
American blokes were fun to operate with but they seriously have zero idea how to use their vehicles in a forested environment. Good infantry tactics though, and impressive leadership.
Swedes probably not.
Finland yes, we have been prepping for an all out war for decades, and that includes prepairing for russia using bio, chemical, and nuclear weapons without restraint.
How can you prep for nuclear attack ???
Bunkers everywhere stockpile everything and repopulate the dystopian post-apocalyptic hellscape with Finns. Thousands of years after the old superpowers are but ash and faint memories the spurdo will live on. To us the US and Russia and China are but pawns.
Yeah but what about aftermath you need to survive for 2 years or something like that before you can expect temperature to go above -10 C
-10 is like t-shirt weather my dude.
Most plants and animals will die through 2 years winter, and you can't harvest anything do you have food for 2 years ?
Shitton of green houses around here, population is encouraged to keep month of food storage even during the peacetime, the country itself keeps half a year storage during peacetime.
But yeah, could get hungry at some point if the foreign trade does not pick up quick enough.
Anon you see nuclear winter makes weather cold because of dust high in stratosphere that will block a sun, no sun no plants.
>no sun
That's half a year every year around here.
Cold has never bothered finns, and we do literally have 95% of the country made from material that can be used to keep ourselves warm (also before you ask, the majority of finnish homes can be warmed by burning wood).
That's not a nuclear strike, that's all out nuclear war with the full arsenals used. And you can't really prepare for it, so you mostly just don't worry about it.
It isn't about you freezing, it's about the planet's agriculture (and all the edible stuff you can find in your forests) getting FUBAR by a triple whammy of climate change, lack of fuel and lack of fertilizers.
Nuclear Winter is a myth created by people who wanted the West to unilaterally disarm. To create their claim, they tortured numbers into Mark Twain's 3rd type of lie (statistics).
First, they took Hiroshima and Nagasaki, looked at the estimated amount of particulates released into the atmosphere, and then performed a straight-line extrapolation against the total number of kilotons on both sides. This is garbage. Square-cube law don't work that way, and all that. Plus, Imperial Japanese cities had the unusual quirk that they were made from wood frames with rice paper walls, and most of them contained pot-belly stoves for cooking. The bombs knocked over the flimsy houses on top of the stoves, and they smoldered for days on end. That is not going to happen anywhere today.
Oh, and then they added some fudge factors to make the numbers look scarier. So, yeah, it's total garbage, and events like Saddam's oil well fires and several volcanic eruptions that outdid what a nuclear exchange would do have proved it.
I always thought the particulate numbers came from models depicting forest fires since thermonuclear weapons have higher temperature yields that increase fireballs and hot debris.
Obviously it’s impossible to extrapolate because when the nukes hit (summer vs winter) and other factors determine the range of damage.
>-20C
please please please please
I know, right?
For me, it's the hard frozen ground.
Dispersal, NBC protected vehicles, well dug in bunkers (won't help against a direct hit, but it does make "near enough" harmless), protective gear, training.
one of them is
Finnland 100% ready.
Sweden no, and at this point will take 5-8 years to get their shit together.
And both countries will get the referendum soon, im pretty sure Finnland with recive almost 99% yes, yet Swedecucks will vote for NO.
Sweden loves to vote NO in a referendum it's a tradition to them.
What referendum? Both governments already decided.
To join in Russia
They gonna need a public referendum. It's "Nords way"
I don't know about Sweden, but there will be no referendum in Finland. The popular support for NATO is strong and the people's representatives already voted on the matter.
Like i said. Finland is 100%. Sweden is the problem.
There is broad consensus among the political parties in Sweden about joining NATO. The only ones opposed and therefore calling for a referendum are the anti-western commies and the environmentalist hippies who are currently polling below the cutoff for a place in parliament. There will be no referendum in Sweden. It is neither required, nor desired by the overwhelming parliamentary majority.
Finland has exactly 2 public referendums during the last 100 years; one about joining EU and another one about ending prohibition.
The decision to join has already been made. There will be no referendum.
You clearly have no clue about the current NATO application process or the Nordic way in general.
Absolutely not. People might vote no, and it would be really embarassing if parliament had to overrule the referendum result.
>They gonna need a public referendum. It's "Nords way"
Nope. There has NEVER been any law or contract that says the government has to ask the finnish people.
They did this to prevent russian interference and to make reactions lightning fast 😀
t. actual finnish person
finland yes
>Are they combat ready
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Sven here.
Only thing we are ready for is jihad. We have plenty of those.
Sweden is ready to fight to the last Finn.
> Are they combat ready?
Do they have nukes?
If not, they are not ready. When their major cities get nuked it'll be game over. The hohol scenario "we don't target civilians" won't work in another conflict. If anything, vatniks don't have tanks left to lose in another half-assed "invasion".
Sweden was making nukes in the 50s but Uncle sam told them off.
Whatcha moscow gonna do if they fire nukes and the enemy does not give two shits about it?
This. Nukes are not nearly as dangerous as people think they are, that was a Chink/KGB psyop to a) frick over western nuclear powerplants b) try to get the west to disarm and turn pacifist.
Wouldn't logistics for war will be much worse with ports, airports, key railway junctions and bridges, etc, destroyed
Pro tip: building a (functioning) runway is real fricking easy. It wouldn't take more than a few days to rebuild it.
Assuming the enemy has no functioning reconnaissance anymore, otherwise would that not get easily seen and nuked again along with all your specialists and construction equipment
You can transport cargo without ports and railways, you can build pontoon bridges and ferries to cross rivers, you can land on improvised runways, you can distribute all stores and equipment, however it all gets rather inconvenient and reduces throughput and utility
>rebuild
would it only take a few days to fill in and smoothen a giant nuclear bomb crater in the runway?
>In recent years declassified documents have shown that Sweden was much closer to possessing the nuclear bomb than previously thought. By 1965 most of the bomb was already built and another 6 months would have been needed to arm it, had the project been given the green light. Another two bombs would have been built shortly thereafter.
>The option to continue development of weapons was abandoned in 1966, and Sweden's subsequent signing of the Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) in 1968 began the wind-down of the program, which finally concluded in 1972. Sweden was strongly influenced to abandon its nuclear weapons program by the United States.
Finland always was
Sweden never will be
Stridsvagn 122 are shit
Given that they’d be up against Trash-72 or Trash-80s, they’re more than enough.
Looking at how the vatniks waste tanks in Ukraine, they might be reduced to using Trash-62s.
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/swedish-mp-kakabaveh-says-she-wont-vote-against-justice-minister-2022-06-07/
That's why Sweden wont join a shit, sandBlack folk are too deep into their bowls and Swedecucks only care about Somali Cum supply.
Finland in the other hand knows Russia is a threat and dont care about this bullshit.
ESLtard, they are already joining. King roach gave them the green light.
it's actually astounding how hard Kakabaveh got cucked. They survived the vote thanks to her and then made a deal with Erdogan instantly.
Now SHE is talking about opening a vote of no confidence LMAO
>trusting Social Democrats even once
Kakabaveh just got assfricked in front of the whole world.
We NATO now!
very few nato country are, tho. and it's not like they need to be, the US is the only country that is currently fighting an actual war, the rest are, at best, fighting a proxy war with russia. destroyers, submarines, heavy bombers, flying fortresses and long range missiles are just not needed. same with pretty much every form of infantry, safe for some spec ops units and transportation. of course every nation is maintaining some form of an army on paper but 99% of them are engineering and peacekeeping forces.
Hope the US buys some Patria heavy mortar guns. Those things will strike fear into the hearts of rooskies
They would've done so already if they were in any way interested.
Which Corps will Swedish and Finnish force be affiliated with, Multinational Corps Northeast?
Finland has some 230.000 of 1st line of reserve forces, plus additional some 700.000 2nd and 3rd line of draft reservists, all with conscript military training of 6 to 13 months and frequent rehersals. In addition to well equipped and modernized military capability, including airforce with F16’s that can operate from highway airfields scattered all around Finland, largest artillery in Europe, largest naval mine arsenal and largest coastal artillery with anti ship missiles on wheels, as well as small fast navy missile boats capable of closing all sea traffic in for example on Bay of Finland leading to St Petersburg and large part of Nothern Baltic Sea.
Additionally 700.000 finns have sone 1.500.000 guns stored at home, including 50.000 reservists with an AK or AR type semi-auto ”reservists rifle”. More than 200.000 moose & deer hunters take marksmanship test every 3 years and most are equipped with scoped rifle and belong to annorganized local hunting association. Most finns have a second countryside house or holiday home capable for off-grid survival and are equipped and used to outdoor life.
In recent international survey finns had the highest number of citizens in favour of fighting against a superior enemy, with uncertain outcome!
So finns can be said to be pretty prepared.
"frequent" rehearsals.
they've been improving the situation, but I had my conscription a decade ago and have never been invited to any refresher training. this aspect desperately needs more budget.
We're even worse in Sweden.
Damn that sucks
t. got out in 2018 and have been invited 3 times.
>230.000 of 1st line reserve forces
280k
>Additionally 700.000 finns have sone 1.500.000 guns stored at home
Finland's firearm rate (firearms per 100k citizens) is lower than in Sweden, Germany, France or Canada. A lot of fudds but it's not a gun country.
I think either one of them could probably beat Russia