I think they're like 686, Patagonia, and Mountain Hardwear.
They make some stuff that is solely for never-go-outs to wear, so they can look "rugged" and adventurous. But they also make some stuff that, when used for its intended purpose, works really fricking well.
Just look at the shells. Are they gore tex 300+ dollar? The shell layers are the only thing worth paying for. Mh has shit shells but nice fitting pants
The only people may be justified in buying it are high performance competitive mountain athletes and mountaineers who count every gram and don't care about price.
Their stuff will break just as fast as other brands, and in 99% of cases you just don't need it.
Echo this as someone who used to upsell it to morons.Anything hits over 250usd mrsp you should go elsewhere.
https://i.imgur.com/MlG0eKm.jpg
Are they an overpriced meme or their things are actually good?
The real question is for the price is it the best option for your situation. Barring some ultra niche expedition that will sponsor and pay for the shit- then absolutely not. It's a fallen brand with a bunch of stay indeers shills crying for it now that they finally saved up enough to buy it.
>Anything hits over 250usd mrsp you should go elsewhere.
not the case at all with down gear, you ever look at what a pound of 950fp down costs as a raw material?
Apparently they're a meme because they can't even afford to buy an ad and instead just make sure there's always a thread on the board with the image being just their logo.
Just look at the shells. Are they gore tex 300+ dollar? The shell layers are the only thing worth paying for. Mh has shit shells but nice fitting pants
All that stuff is made in the same factories in asia
The only people may be justified in buying it are high performance competitive mountain athletes and mountaineers who count every gram and don't care about price.
Their stuff will break just as fast as other brands, and in 99% of cases you just don't need it.
I think they're like 686, Patagonia, and Mountain Hardwear.
They make some stuff that is solely for never-go-outs to wear, so they can look "rugged" and adventurous. But they also make some stuff that, when used for its intended purpose, works really fricking well.
What's the best brand for price on PrepHole jackets and polar fleece?
I'm going to be honest. My favorite fleece is a cheap Mossy Oak fleece that I bought from Walmart for like $20 during a Christmas sale. I have some other equally cheap, low quality fleeces that various employers have given me. I don't think fleeces matter, because the shell is going over them. The shell matters. The fleece just helps the warmth. But cheap ass fleece + nice shell has never failed me yet.
>What's the best brand for price on PrepHole jackets and polar fleece?
Honestly? Outdoor Research. They haven't bought into the "PrepHole as fashion" thing as much as Arcteryx or the others. The $ spent / value received ratio is favourable at OR.
Overpriced imo. I have a few products from them, especially from the LEAF line, and they're not worth it imo. Take the Leaf Alpha jacket, Ive had almost 10 zippers break during the last 7 years. Had it not been for the lifetime guarantee(which is what you pay for), theyd be the biggest regret buy Ive ever made it. Even with the free fix it sucks having your jacket gone for a month or more.
The leaf assault pack is durable and versatile, but the side pockets are poorly designed imo. You cannot put much in them before they begin to bulge inwards, meaning itll take up space in the main pack. I understand the best use it to attach external things to the sides, like sleeping mat, but it comes across as amateur made. There is a similar flaw with how you then cant open the pack completely without also unbuckling the side straps. Its just clumsy, even for a military intended design.
They are definitely an overpriced brand, but the amount of seething caused by them on this board is ridiculous and primarily due to poorgays seething over having seen city hipsters wearing their products.
I dont know. I love Meindl for boots and Haglofs has bene good for jackets. I dont have a top tier brand. Canada goose legit makes good stuff (the 1k+ parkas and goose fleece coats)
I own one of their rain jackets. I wanted a high quality gor-tex shell for my through hike. Was able to pick up one on sale for $300. Don't regret it. That thing is awesome.
I mostly wear Columbia, on the spectrum of outdoor apparel they're usually on the cheaper side and going PrepHole is a great way to destroy clothes. They've definitely improved their overall quality in recent years too, most of their pants are actually dry fit and don't have tactical cargo pockets.
I mean maybe some of their climbing gear but there are other brands with similar quality at lower prices. Their clothing is posh outdoors shit normies wear to virtue signal
>bitching about Arc'teryx's zippers failing when everyone uses YKK >actually thinking people will believe a YKK zippers would fail several times >actually thinking people will believe you ever owned an Arc'teryx jacket
Arc'teryx is the golden standard for goretex shells and arguably synthetic shells. It's not the materials only, it's the fit, finish, and the overall design of their jackets that make them held so highly. And to the anons thinking Arc'teryx is a fricking UL brand, lmfaoooo, you guys can't even find the correct reasons to shit on Arc'teryx.
I'm an Arc'teryx prostitute and there's several things you could bring up to shit on this brand, and not one anon has even said it yet.
Not all zippers are created equally. Arcteryx zippers have a tendency to jam, not zip properly and just break. This never happens to my other jackets which I use a lot more.
as a uler i've never considered buying a single thing arc'teryx sells for hiking purposes, its an entirely different demographic & market.
i have some arc'teryx shit but not for hiking.
Not all zippers are created equally. Arcteryx zippers have a tendency to jam, not zip properly and just break. This never happens to my other jackets which I use a lot more.
>Not all zippers are created equally.
they use standard ykk #3 / #5 and ykk vizlon zippers.
ykk is the industry gold standard for high quality zippers. there really isn't any better in the world. if there was i'm sure arc'teryx would use them.
https://i.imgur.com/ja1DIo7.jpg
What do they make that's worth the money pwease tell sir
their shakedry jackets are very competitively priced at like $400. pretty much the best money can buy for cycling. absolute no brainer if you live somewhere rainy and cycle.
Sure they work, but uou can almost certainly find comparable gore Tex products for less, definitely paying a brand markup
ok put your money where your mouth is.
find me a jacket made out of gore tex shakedry for under $300 msrp. not counting sale prices.
arcteryx charges like $400 for one. you're paying $100 for way more involved construction and actual design work being done, compared to the most basic generic pattern stuff you can buy. it seems very worth it to me, but i used to work in the industry so i know what goes into these things.
i'm guessing you're just kinda uneducated on materials and you think "gore tex" is a material and all "gore tex" jackets are made of the same thing. gore tex is a brand and different materials they sell have different prices. gore tex also requires companies that use their higher end materials like shakedry to have minimum MSRP's for their products. i don't think they have ever allowed someone to sell shakedry under 300.
b***h nobody brought up biking until you did. frick off to PrepHole. and before you start coping look at Arcteryx website. it's all skiing, hiking, and mountaineering promo pictures
shakedry's also the best breathable shell material for hiking on the market. it was just designed for cycling.
nah beta AR 3L goretex pro $600
patagonia makes 3L h2no shell for $479
OR has 2L goretex $225 or 3L Ascentshell $375
MH has 3L goretex pro $450
TNF has futurelight shell $450
sounds like you just fell for arcteryx/gtx marketing
some of their shit is overpriced some isn't.
i didn't fall for any marketing, for PrepHole purposes i use a silpoly shell some guy made in his basement and frog toggs. its too rainy where i live, breathable shells are no good.
if you've been living under a rock the last decade and a half the vast majority of hikers care more about weight and packability than durability, look at any gear survey.
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the vast majority of hikers are morons whats ur point?
They make quality gear with a great warranty but yeah, very overpriced. Worse than Patagonia in that way. Also all their tops are fit for people with extremely skinny torsos
arcteryx was significantly under-priced when it was made in canada. its over-priced now that its made in asia, but not by as much as you'd think. there's way cheaper garments that get the job done but when you compare apples to apples with any other company selling similar garments made from the same materials there actually isn't much of a brand tax at all.
nah beta AR 3L goretex pro $600
patagonia makes 3L h2no shell for $479
OR has 2L goretex $225 or 3L Ascentshell $375
MH has 3L goretex pro $450
TNF has futurelight shell $450
sounds like you just fell for arcteryx/gtx marketing
never owned an arcteryx shell but...
h2no is trash in my experience
futurelight is great. my futurelight flight running jacket is amazing. would recommend
Definitely top tier gear, but unfortunately seem to be dropping rapidly in quality and customer service after being bought out by China. They no longer repair gear beyond slapping tenacious tape on a tear. If you really really want Arc'teryx try to find stuff made pre 2020.
lol that's an "outdoorsy" store? I lived by one for years and always assumed it was a mid/upper end fashion clothing store for girls by its appearance and never bothered to walk in.
I can only speak to their climbing stuff, but their harnesses and packs are kickass. Like most companies, they have things they do exceptionally well, and things they do just to fill out the shelves
>the best arc stuff was issued not bought for personal use
If you're implying LEAF, it's literally just their civilian offerings with some fricking velcro attached to it. It's nothing special or overly different.
>If you're implying LEAF, it's literally just their civilian offerings with some fricking velcro attached to it. It's nothing special or overly different.
Untrue. Some of the mid layer and base layer items are similar yes, but the materials and construction techniques used for the Leaf line jackets and pants are different to the civilian line.
I just buy Decathlon. No way I'm paying over 150 for any piece of clothing except mountaineering boots. I'd rather put that money towards finally buying that packraft I've been eyefricking.
Having spent thousands on the top tier Arcteryx gear in both Leaf and Civilian offerings, I can tell you that although the gear performs incredibly well and is very light weight in comparison to all the other brands, I have found that the materials were not as durable as I would have liked considering the high cost involved.
This was particularly surprising for the Leaf gear since it was made to perform in austere conditions with minimal maintenance. Issues I have had are zippers breaking, holes being worn through in high wear areas or on the cuffs where it tends to get scraped. The warranty is excellent so repairs can be done, but it's a hassle to have to send it in.
I've also had Eddie Bauer jackets that went 20 years strong with no major breakdowns, and performed well until they simply got too old and stopped being warm enough. After having gone through Arcteryx and Mountain Hardwear I now look at brands that offer materials with a higher abrasion resistance. Fjallraven and Canada Goose are my current picks. They are heavier and at times require more layers to keep the temperature regulated, but their outer fabrics can take scraping and rubbing with little issues.
>is very light weight in comparison to all the other brands >I have found that the materials were not as durable as I would have liked considering the high cost involved
oh well
I think they're like 686, Patagonia, and Mountain Hardwear.
They make some stuff that is solely for never-go-outs to wear, so they can look "rugged" and adventurous. But they also make some stuff that, when used for its intended purpose, works really fricking well.
Just look at the shells. Are they gore tex 300+ dollar? The shell layers are the only thing worth paying for. Mh has shit shells but nice fitting pants
I like my MH shell
Even TNF still makes some legit gear.
The problem with all of these companies is that you have to filter through 90% shit.
The only people may be justified in buying it are high performance competitive mountain athletes and mountaineers who count every gram and don't care about price.
Their stuff will break just as fast as other brands, and in 99% of cases you just don't need it.
Echo this as someone who used to upsell it to morons.Anything hits over 250usd mrsp you should go elsewhere.
The real question is for the price is it the best option for your situation. Barring some ultra niche expedition that will sponsor and pay for the shit- then absolutely not. It's a fallen brand with a bunch of stay indeers shills crying for it now that they finally saved up enough to buy it.
>Anything hits over 250usd mrsp you should go elsewhere.
not the case at all with down gear, you ever look at what a pound of 950fp down costs as a raw material?
Dead bird shit is cancer and you aways overpay. Sucks when soaked and underperforms for lasting.
All that stuff is made in the same factories in asia
So?
Materials make a difference.
Design makes a difference.
Apparently they're a meme because they can't even afford to buy an ad and instead just make sure there's always a thread on the board with the image being just their logo.
What's the best brand for price on PrepHole jackets and polar fleece?
I'm going to be honest. My favorite fleece is a cheap Mossy Oak fleece that I bought from Walmart for like $20 during a Christmas sale. I have some other equally cheap, low quality fleeces that various employers have given me. I don't think fleeces matter, because the shell is going over them. The shell matters. The fleece just helps the warmth. But cheap ass fleece + nice shell has never failed me yet.
i think mountain equipment is really nice. theyre british so their zippers drive on the wrong side of the road though.
Outdoor research has the cheapest goretex shells if thats what you are looking for. Fleece quality doesnt matter
Outdoor Research
>What's the best brand for price on PrepHole jackets and polar fleece?
Honestly? Outdoor Research. They haven't bought into the "PrepHole as fashion" thing as much as Arcteryx or the others. The $ spent / value received ratio is favourable at OR.
Overpriced imo. I have a few products from them, especially from the LEAF line, and they're not worth it imo. Take the Leaf Alpha jacket, Ive had almost 10 zippers break during the last 7 years. Had it not been for the lifetime guarantee(which is what you pay for), theyd be the biggest regret buy Ive ever made it. Even with the free fix it sucks having your jacket gone for a month or more.
The leaf assault pack is durable and versatile, but the side pockets are poorly designed imo. You cannot put much in them before they begin to bulge inwards, meaning itll take up space in the main pack. I understand the best use it to attach external things to the sides, like sleeping mat, but it comes across as amateur made. There is a similar flaw with how you then cant open the pack completely without also unbuckling the side straps. Its just clumsy, even for a military intended design.
What's the best polar fleece brand if you don't mind spending a little bit more?
They are definitely an overpriced brand, but the amount of seething caused by them on this board is ridiculous and primarily due to poorgays seething over having seen city hipsters wearing their products.
All four things I've ever had from them have been either mediocre or outright shit. Very overpriced for what it is
Instagram HYPEbeast. If you want to flex on da Gram, rock it brah.
And if not, what's the best for fricking winter outdoors in Europe?
I dont know. I love Meindl for boots and Haglofs has bene good for jackets. I dont have a top tier brand. Canada goose legit makes good stuff (the 1k+ parkas and goose fleece coats)
I own one of their rain jackets. I wanted a high quality gor-tex shell for my through hike. Was able to pick up one on sale for $300. Don't regret it. That thing is awesome.
I mostly wear Columbia, on the spectrum of outdoor apparel they're usually on the cheaper side and going PrepHole is a great way to destroy clothes. They've definitely improved their overall quality in recent years too, most of their pants are actually dry fit and don't have tactical cargo pockets.
I mean maybe some of their climbing gear but there are other brands with similar quality at lower prices. Their clothing is posh outdoors shit normies wear to virtue signal
Sure they work, but uou can almost certainly find comparable gore Tex products for less, definitely paying a brand markup
>bitching about Arc'teryx's zippers failing when everyone uses YKK
>actually thinking people will believe a YKK zippers would fail several times
>actually thinking people will believe you ever owned an Arc'teryx jacket
Arc'teryx is the golden standard for goretex shells and arguably synthetic shells. It's not the materials only, it's the fit, finish, and the overall design of their jackets that make them held so highly. And to the anons thinking Arc'teryx is a fricking UL brand, lmfaoooo, you guys can't even find the correct reasons to shit on Arc'teryx.
I'm an Arc'teryx prostitute and there's several things you could bring up to shit on this brand, and not one anon has even said it yet.
Not all zippers are created equally. Arcteryx zippers have a tendency to jam, not zip properly and just break. This never happens to my other jackets which I use a lot more.
What are the best arcteryx pieces ? What are the best she’ll models ?
Want to know which pieces are a really good buy from them
Beta SV is the all round best shell jacket you can buy.
What do they make that's worth the money pwease tell sir
as a uler i've never considered buying a single thing arc'teryx sells for hiking purposes, its an entirely different demographic & market.
i have some arc'teryx shit but not for hiking.
>Not all zippers are created equally.
they use standard ykk #3 / #5 and ykk vizlon zippers.
ykk is the industry gold standard for high quality zippers. there really isn't any better in the world. if there was i'm sure arc'teryx would use them.
their shakedry jackets are very competitively priced at like $400. pretty much the best money can buy for cycling. absolute no brainer if you live somewhere rainy and cycle.
ok put your money where your mouth is.
find me a jacket made out of gore tex shakedry for under $300 msrp. not counting sale prices.
arcteryx charges like $400 for one. you're paying $100 for way more involved construction and actual design work being done, compared to the most basic generic pattern stuff you can buy. it seems very worth it to me, but i used to work in the industry so i know what goes into these things.
i'm guessing you're just kinda uneducated on materials and you think "gore tex" is a material and all "gore tex" jackets are made of the same thing. gore tex is a brand and different materials they sell have different prices. gore tex also requires companies that use their higher end materials like shakedry to have minimum MSRP's for their products. i don't think they have ever allowed someone to sell shakedry under 300.
b***h nobody brought up biking until you did. frick off to PrepHole. and before you start coping look at Arcteryx website. it's all skiing, hiking, and mountaineering promo pictures
shakedry's also the best breathable shell material for hiking on the market. it was just designed for cycling.
some of their shit is overpriced some isn't.
i didn't fall for any marketing, for PrepHole purposes i use a silpoly shell some guy made in his basement and frog toggs. its too rainy where i live, breathable shells are no good.
based on the description shakedry sounds very non durable (no outer layer) so it would likely be terrible for hiking.
if you've been living under a rock the last decade and a half the vast majority of hikers care more about weight and packability than durability, look at any gear survey.
the vast majority of hikers are morons whats ur point?
it's literally owned by Salomon and all their stuff is made in the same places. Just buy Salomon.
It can be both, you know.
They make quality gear with a great warranty but yeah, very overpriced. Worse than Patagonia in that way. Also all their tops are fit for people with extremely skinny torsos
arcteryx was significantly under-priced when it was made in canada. its over-priced now that its made in asia, but not by as much as you'd think. there's way cheaper garments that get the job done but when you compare apples to apples with any other company selling similar garments made from the same materials there actually isn't much of a brand tax at all.
nah beta AR 3L goretex pro $600
patagonia makes 3L h2no shell for $479
OR has 2L goretex $225 or 3L Ascentshell $375
MH has 3L goretex pro $450
TNF has futurelight shell $450
sounds like you just fell for arcteryx/gtx marketing
never owned an arcteryx shell but...
h2no is trash in my experience
futurelight is great. my futurelight flight running jacket is amazing. would recommend
Definitely top tier gear, but unfortunately seem to be dropping rapidly in quality and customer service after being bought out by China. They no longer repair gear beyond slapping tenacious tape on a tear. If you really really want Arc'teryx try to find stuff made pre 2020.
i exclusively use all gear from this brand i dont want to wear pauper stuff and look like a peasant on trail
what happened to the squamish hoodie? I wanted one for this spring but now they're gone from the website?
lol that's an "outdoorsy" store? I lived by one for years and always assumed it was a mid/upper end fashion clothing store for girls by its appearance and never bothered to walk in.
>overpriced
yes.
>meme
meaningless word at this point
>actually good?
yes
I can only speak to their climbing stuff, but their harnesses and packs are kickass. Like most companies, they have things they do exceptionally well, and things they do just to fill out the shelves
the best arc stuff was issued not bought for personal use so yeah its kind of a meme but as another anon said they make really good harnesses.
>the best arc stuff was issued not bought for personal use
If you're implying LEAF, it's literally just their civilian offerings with some fricking velcro attached to it. It's nothing special or overly different.
>If you're implying LEAF, it's literally just their civilian offerings with some fricking velcro attached to it. It's nothing special or overly different.
Untrue. Some of the mid layer and base layer items are similar yes, but the materials and construction techniques used for the Leaf line jackets and pants are different to the civilian line.
I just buy Decathlon. No way I'm paying over 150 for any piece of clothing except mountaineering boots. I'd rather put that money towards finally buying that packraft I've been eyefricking.
In my area even the store paper and plastic bags has street value of like 12 USD equivalent
Definitely a brand cult
Having spent thousands on the top tier Arcteryx gear in both Leaf and Civilian offerings, I can tell you that although the gear performs incredibly well and is very light weight in comparison to all the other brands, I have found that the materials were not as durable as I would have liked considering the high cost involved.
This was particularly surprising for the Leaf gear since it was made to perform in austere conditions with minimal maintenance. Issues I have had are zippers breaking, holes being worn through in high wear areas or on the cuffs where it tends to get scraped. The warranty is excellent so repairs can be done, but it's a hassle to have to send it in.
I've also had Eddie Bauer jackets that went 20 years strong with no major breakdowns, and performed well until they simply got too old and stopped being warm enough. After having gone through Arcteryx and Mountain Hardwear I now look at brands that offer materials with a higher abrasion resistance. Fjallraven and Canada Goose are my current picks. They are heavier and at times require more layers to keep the temperature regulated, but their outer fabrics can take scraping and rubbing with little issues.
>is very light weight in comparison to all the other brands
>I have found that the materials were not as durable as I would have liked considering the high cost involved
oh well