HAW HAW HAW
LOOK HERE AT THE CHILDREN CAMPING IN THEIR BOY SCOUT TENTS
WHAT UNFITFUL SLUMBER YOU'LL HAVE IN THAT FOXHOLE OF SO MUCH PLASTIC AND PITHY CHAFF
YOU THERE, BOY
BE A QUICK LAD AND GO YONDER INTO THE LARDER, FETCH US ANOTHER LEG OF LAMB FOR THE FIRE AND ANOTHER BOTTLE OF THE ISLAY SCOTCH FOR OUR CAMPING GUESTS
WE SHALL FEAST AND DRINK AND ENJOY AND REGALE EACH OTHER WITH TALES OF PAST HUNTING CAMPS AND MAKE MERRY
HO THERE, BOY, MAKE HASTE AND FETCH US MORE, MORE, I SAY
This. The only time I see people specifically adding weight for the sake of weight is for rucking requirements, but hardcore ULers will have a stroke if you aren't sleeping in an office trash bag and using a magazine clipping of a toothpaste ad to brush your teeth.
>buying new shit instead of DIYing with shit you already own
CONSOOOM! homosexual
3 months ago
Anonymous
>spend $5 on a regular toothbrush to cut down
or >spend $5 on a tiny toothbrush >one of these is worse than the other
You've lost all sense of what the meme meant.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>$5 for a toothbrush
Child who’s never bought his own toothbrush detected.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I just pulled a number out of my ass, dumbshit. They can be way cheaper or more expensive.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>I just pulled a number out of my ass
Yeah, the adults reading this can see that.
3 months ago
Anonymous
What does it matter you moron? My point wasn't about the average price of a toothbrush, it was that they're cheap and that buying an extra one doesn't fit the "consoomer" meme.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You have to be 18 to post here.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>he doesn't have backup toothbrush
Subhuman detected
3 months ago
Anonymous
Let me just cut my electric toothbrush in half >inb4 she doesn't have an electrical toothbrush
Why do I even bother with poors like you
Travel toothbrushes are great, I had one for the field exercises when I was doing my compulsory military service. I had a small bottle of shower gel (that I refilled at the barracks from a larger one), deodorant, a tube of toothpaste, a travel tooth brush, safety razor and a towel whenever I went out in to the field for longer exercises. So that I could groom myself if given the chance to bathe. We often had the possibility of going to sauna after the wargame had ended. You just needed to bring your own hygiene products. If we were on shorter, couple night long exercises, then I just carried the toothbrush and tooth paste with me.
>buying new shit instead of DIYing with shit you already own
CONSOOOM! homosexual
>CONSOOOM
Toothbrushes are indeed consumable goods and you are supposed to replace them every few months anyways due to hygiene reasons. Buying a separate travel toothbrush is not really that mindless consooming, since dental hygiene products are something that you are supposed to replace regurally.
If you can fit a normal sized toothbrush in to your hygiene pack, that's good, but there is not really anything wrong in buying a dedicated travel version.
After your travel you can keep on using the travel toothbrush untill you have used it up completely. That is if you are so concerned about mindless materialism. Anyways, people do have spare toothbrushes. I have an electric toothbrush in use and a couple regural ones that I keep in the storage in case I end up needing them. I can give them to my friends/relatives who stay overnight if they happen to forget their own. Or, I can use them myself if my electric toothbrush stops working.
>i don't care or see the appeal so NO ONE ELSE SHOULD. THAT'S ABSURD
maybe they just think it's fun you frickin gay >oh jeez these guys over here with their
no. you are gay. shut the frick up. everyone is gay. everyone does stupid moronic shit. everyone on earth. shut the frick up
i think there's a good compromise between trying to min/max certain big items to cut weight and autistically cutting the handle of your toothbrush off to save 4 grams of weight. picking your lightest shelter, sleeping bag, and cooking system is going to net you the most weight reduction
No, theyre actually quite helpful, especially when it comes for companies to push the bounderies of high tech equipment. Lowering your weight means you can cover more distance, bring more comfy items, and possibly more food.
Im not a die hard ultralighter, but you can certainly pick up some good ideas from them, which can makes your time outside a lot more enjoyable.
What I tend to do is train hard with a heavy pack, and then hike light.
>overnight
More like a few minutes. Nitrocellulose isn't called "flash paper" for nothing. Now I doubt that tent would burn as fast as a wad of nitrocellulose "cotton", but have a look at this:
These balls aren't even pure nitrocellulose and look how quick they go up.
Pyroxylin is a protoplastic, probably used as a coating, but I’m really not sure. Pic is from 1924.
There’s also a story somewhere about a hiking club in Maine that did week long excursions with 12lb packs in the 30’s.
>pictures from 1924 >quip from the 1940’s >”modern”
Even in its current form it dates back to Ray Jardine and the mid 1990’s (even though he never used the term “ultralight”).
First, the bottom one does have a door. The caption even says “with front attached” and gives a different weight. But no one was comparing them to modern tents. They were just being shown as an example of a century old ultralight concept.
Going full on gram counting is a bit too much for my taste.
Saving some weight by using ultralight gear where it makes sense, is not a bad idea.
I'll probably get an ultralight tipi and build an ultralight rifle for bigger solo hunts.
That'll free up more weight budget for food, spotting scope, tripod and miscellaneous shit.
My grandad would occasionally sleep in deer skins and that was a pretty common thing for skin hunters to do back when the money way good. They'd sleep under logs and bluffs without any cover at all too, just a fire and a sleeping bag. I think spending a lot of time PrepHole you eventually just garden the frick up and realize you're the most useful piece of equipment there is.
Sleeping without a shelter fricking sucks, bugs and shit all over you. If you said to these guys "hey check out this waterproof tent with bug mesh and it weighs 2lb" every single one would immediately take it.
I went backpacking as a teen with just my wallet, passport and phone. Walked out the door one day and didnt come back for 3 years.
Just bougt a small cheap backpack and 2nd pair of clothes when I got to Thailand.
You dont need anything really to go backpacking youll be in a town most of the time that caters to backpackers.
No. If you have ever done a long distance backpacking trip, you will understand why people will sacrifice just about anything to have a lighter pack. If you can’t contemplate this, I expect you have never done it.
Not OP but I've always been a bit skeptical, and to you're point I've never done a long through-hike. I can understand that shit adds up and cutting out anything unnecessary is desirable, but at the same time surely you get to a point of diminishing returns? Like the difference between a few extra ounces total weight is splitting hairs?
For sure. And that point is different for everyone and the environment. PCT in summer is different than East Coast in a rainy fall. I'm a big guy (for you) so I'm already carrying weight for bigger items and it doesn't make sense for me cut out everything since my base weight feels better with some kind of heavier framed pack anyway. But redditors have to compete online somehow.
It's almost like the culmination of a philosophy. I'm surprised that the Japanese didn't invent "ultra-light" after they got bored with making bonsai trees, or organising their rooms according to feng-sui.
Of course I minimise weight but these days things are light enough anyway, you can even pack extra things that at one time you'd leave behind. My self-inflating 12.5cm thick camping bed (a luxury item, frankly) only weights 1.5lbs in itself.
But the bed only cost £45 delivered, I should say.
Even cheap consumer items that aren't even necessary can be carried these days at little extra weight.
I don't ultralight, but what's the hate? People trying to reduce weight of gear they carry and come up with creative ways to do it. It pushes the entire ecosystem to research new materials, and find multiple uses for single items.
I'm glad we're using titanium pots instead of cast iron.
Most the hate comes from terminally online discussions about weight and occasionally ridiculous obsession to cut a scant few grams. But a lot of that is online is a place where numbers and theory and the 'new lightest thing's are really easy to discuss forever. Where as most people talked about which hikes they've done like: check out these pics, it was nice. Hey great job. End of discussion. So even with UL being a useful philosophy, the discussions it spawns are not always practical or interesting and sometimes stupid. Most hobbies have their own issues with posting about it online being easier and more often then actually doing and sharing.
I think everybody should do PrepHole the way they want as long as they aren't being destructive or fricking up everyone else's experience, but I always think it's crazy when anons b***h that a four-pound tent is "heavy".
Agreed, this is the best take. As long as no one is being disruptive or ruining anyone's experience, what's the trouble?
Having said that, 4lbs isn't bad, but if you're covering massive ground per day on a thru hike, you'd be grateful for having a 2lb tent. Or 1 lb. For the record, I'm still running around with a 3p ozark trail tent I got for $30 lol.
The assumption is probably that if someone is using a 4lb tent then they’re a moron or poor. It’s generally a safe assumption.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Found one
3 months ago
Anonymous
I use a 4lb tent, I can tell you I'm no moron and I'm not poor, I just don't have much time to PrepHole, and only go out a couple days every few months, no reason to buy an expensive light tent, my 30$ one is fine.
I love UL. I am mentally ill, but you cant convince me that it is better to carry more weight when backpacking. I enjoy having a comfy weight on my back without having any strain or stress for long term hiking.
Only if it's exactly two cups of mud. That's why you walk with your hips, so that you fling the mud off and keep it from getting past the threshold. Alternatively, you could just walk next to trees, as the thermal pockets keep mud from forming.
The tree thing is actually a real good tip. Im in a tarp most nights out and while that's really good in the summer if the skies open up in fall it can be chilly. Camping under a nice tree can be that much more comfortable. Even just drier ground can real make the difference.
The tree thing is only a meme in their context. Dense plant cover tends to trap the air from wind and plant radiant heat more slowly so that the area under them is often warmer later into the night. Because of this it will also help prevent evaporative cooling, so less condensation when the sun goes down. Depending on the exact conditions of your area, it can make a degree or 2 of difference, and depending on other factors it can add up. Give it a shot. Relevant to ultralight, lot of folks will run as little insulation as reasonable and can use techniques to make up the difference in edge cases.
Problem with ultralight shit is durability. You carry less weight but you pay more for something with a shelf life essentialy since even the most advanced materials are pretty thin and will wear quick even with light use. Also UL schizos skip things such as a pad to protect the 15D or less tent floor and mattress and don't mind wasting money on replacement.
Essentially they are the problem with the world today, which is consumerism and mountains of waste. I would respect more a tarp camper or even a bushcraft moron anyday over some homosexual ultra lighter vaccinated onions consumer.
Context is everything. Most ultralight pad and bag are foam and down, which can last a decade or more. Leaving behind excess stuff is the opposite of consuming. Probably the worst part is finding out the things you do want or need can take some trial, but that is true of anything.
Problem with ultralight shit is durability. You carry less weight but you pay more for something with a shelf life essentialy since even the most advanced materials are pretty thin and will wear quick even with light use. Also UL schizos skip things such as a pad to protect the 15D or less tent floor and mattress and don't mind wasting money on replacement.
Essentially they are the problem with the world today, which is consumerism and mountains of waste. I would respect more a tarp camper or even a bushcraft moron anyday over some homosexual ultra lighter vaccinated onions consumer.
What an uneducated and gay thing to say, a lot of the time ‘ultralight’ especially expensive ultralight is way better in every department including durability. Better design, better materials. More thought out for the task. etc. I mean this is just the dumbest thing to say. An ultralight 400ultra fabric backpack is 30x as durable as anything else on the market. The lightest, most expensive Air mattresses are also the most durable- thermarest neoair. Dynema is a much better material than shit tent cloth (nylon), and that too will soon be replaced with ultra fabric. Wanker homosexual moron larping weirdo
Air mattresses are uncomfortable because you’re too fat.
Air mattresses miraculously get a lot more comfortable when you lose 20lbs and get some exercise in the day. this mat works better than good. I’m sure there are a few one offs, but durability is amazing with this pad, and blow up time? Are you fricking joking? So 5 air sack pumps instead of 4? Who actually cares about something so trivial when the pros are so strong. You people are insane, and I’m starting to think just obese, larping Brit’s. Complaining their extremely comfortable air mattress isn’t comfortable enough. Sorry my queen
Agreed. I love my neoair. It's comfy. If these dinguses are blowing it up to 100% capacity and are going "wtf, it's hard like a rock!!!" and can't figure out to just let out a little air to get it comfy, that's on them.
Have had mine since 2017 and have never had to patch that shit. Been through probably ~25 multiday hiking trips so far.
I'm 6'1 and weigh 90 kg moron. You can get non UL garbage inflatables that are 200% more comfortable than that "lite" bullshit therm-a-rest is so well know for.
Some benefit of the doubt given, that's nowhere near obese and could be acceptable if anon is even somewhat muscular.
2 months ago
Anonymous
It’s overweight. >but muh muscle mass!
Maybe. The percentage of men who are overweight by simple BMI standards due to muscle mass but have a healthy body fat percentage is below 10%. It’s 4.7% of the population, but that includes women. It’s assumed men would be over represented.
The percentage who are obese by BMI standards but a healthy (or very low) body fat percentage is closer to 1% (basically serious gym bros only).
Basically BMI is right unless you work out regularly. The people who speak against it are just coping fatties. His BMI is over 26.
2 months ago
Anonymous
>It’s overweight
I didn't disagree. I said it's not obese.
Ultralight is LARP pure and simple. Nearly all the "fun" of it comes from the practice of it and not the application. Doing your research, having it all laid out in your living room, trying to shave minute bits of weight off, busting out your notebook and doing quick maths. That is what it is all really about. Then you get outside and realize it fricking sucks to not have any of the stuff that would make being PrepHole so much God damn better but you're too filled with pure cope and you convince yourself that the reason it's so bad is because you need to shave a bit more weight off so you get back home and spend 30 hours over the next 2 weeks planning an outing again. It's like Warhammer where they collect the figures and paint them and live within the community then once a month MAYBE they will actually sit down and play. If you're wondering yes I did fall victim to it and was heavily invested for over a year. Sold all the gear for a massive profit though because when I was getting out everyone was getting tricked in.
Did you not see the part about the notebook and quick maths? If you use what is essentially a gloried data entry app then you're ruining half the fun of laying stuff out, weighing it, and noting it down. You're turning a personal endeavor into a communal activity which isn't what Ultralight was meant to be. It was a challenge of ones self not a competition with others. It's why I got into it in the first place, but soon realized the challenge wasn't worth the loss of fun.
For me, the fun is in my knees not feeling like shit after a couple of days of hiking and also it lets me bring dumb heavy shit like packrafts on shorter trips.
>my knees not feeling like shit after a couple of days of hiking
Are you 60+ years old or something? If not you're doing something incredibly wrong if you knees are giving out after a few days of carrying an average load. Even out elk hunting the only thing that gets sore is my back and that is just after doing the back and forth carrying out the harvest.
>actual fat milsurp larper mad true hikers and outdoorsman have figured out to go ultralight in order to pack QOL items
You stupid mother fricker.
For me, the fun is in my knees not feeling like shit after a couple of days of hiking and also it lets me bring dumb heavy shit like packrafts on shorter trips.
>PrepHole ripping apart fat ass larpers who don't understand the true purpose of ultralight
I kneel, PrepHole you actually didn't let me down for once.
yes, they are mentally ill (autism or over-socialization)
it's no longer a >30 lbs vs <10 lbs debate, it's ultralighters denying themselves another 3 lbs to sleep comfortably and have a double-walled tent
lightweight to superlightweight is where it's at
a ultralight tarptent would get btfo by the humidity, rain and strong winds where i live but i'll still buy and use an "ultralight" double-walled traditional tunnel tent (3 lbs 1 oz)
go light or go home
HAW HAW HAW
LOOK HERE AT THE CHILDREN CAMPING IN THEIR BOY SCOUT TENTS
WHAT UNFITFUL SLUMBER YOU'LL HAVE IN THAT FOXHOLE OF SO MUCH PLASTIC AND PITHY CHAFF
YOU THERE, BOY
BE A QUICK LAD AND GO YONDER INTO THE LARDER, FETCH US ANOTHER LEG OF LAMB FOR THE FIRE AND ANOTHER BOTTLE OF THE ISLAY SCOTCH FOR OUR CAMPING GUESTS
WE SHALL FEAST AND DRINK AND ENJOY AND REGALE EACH OTHER WITH TALES OF PAST HUNTING CAMPS AND MAKE MERRY
HO THERE, BOY, MAKE HASTE AND FETCH US MORE, MORE, I SAY
yes
greta thunberg has really grown up
....how does sam look like greta...not even mad just kinda confused.
cover everything except the triangle from eyes to face and imagine him saying "how dare you"
i dont see it mane. perhaps a good shop could open mien eyes
ultra light means less than 5kg baseweight!
what about food, and dont say something gay about foraging berries
>what about food
i dont see a gun in that "less than 5kg" image
No joke, do you thin the AR-7 would be a good choice for ultra lighters assuming they brought minimal food?
i'd bring something tubefed
t. ar7 owner
People who seethe over what others do with their time/money? Yeah.
>t. triggered ULgay
t. has never hiked/backpacked for months
>Are these people mentally ill?
i hate ultralight shit but i can see the appeal.
I think everyone who’s hiked has tried to figure out ways to lighten their pack but counting grams is probably just autism.
This. The only time I see people specifically adding weight for the sake of weight is for rucking requirements, but hardcore ULers will have a stroke if you aren't sleeping in an office trash bag and using a magazine clipping of a toothpaste ad to brush your teeth.
True but ultralight autism has driven gear development.
Basically this. Getting a lighter tent? Yeah that makes sense. Trimming down a toothbrush? Absurd.
Have you ever tried to fit a toothbrush into a quart sized Ziploc?
Trimming for size sure but we're talking about the same mongoloids that drill holes in them to "reduce weight."
They are called speedholes for a reason.
Ever heard of a travel toothbrush?
>buying new shit instead of DIYing with shit you already own
CONSOOOM! homosexual
>spend $5 on a regular toothbrush to cut down
or
>spend $5 on a tiny toothbrush
>one of these is worse than the other
You've lost all sense of what the meme meant.
>$5 for a toothbrush
Child who’s never bought his own toothbrush detected.
I just pulled a number out of my ass, dumbshit. They can be way cheaper or more expensive.
>I just pulled a number out of my ass
Yeah, the adults reading this can see that.
What does it matter you moron? My point wasn't about the average price of a toothbrush, it was that they're cheap and that buying an extra one doesn't fit the "consoomer" meme.
You have to be 18 to post here.
>he doesn't have backup toothbrush
Subhuman detected
Let me just cut my electric toothbrush in half
>inb4 she doesn't have an electrical toothbrush
Why do I even bother with poors like you
Travel toothbrushes are great, I had one for the field exercises when I was doing my compulsory military service. I had a small bottle of shower gel (that I refilled at the barracks from a larger one), deodorant, a tube of toothpaste, a travel tooth brush, safety razor and a towel whenever I went out in to the field for longer exercises. So that I could groom myself if given the chance to bathe. We often had the possibility of going to sauna after the wargame had ended. You just needed to bring your own hygiene products. If we were on shorter, couple night long exercises, then I just carried the toothbrush and tooth paste with me.
>CONSOOOM
Toothbrushes are indeed consumable goods and you are supposed to replace them every few months anyways due to hygiene reasons. Buying a separate travel toothbrush is not really that mindless consooming, since dental hygiene products are something that you are supposed to replace regurally.
If you can fit a normal sized toothbrush in to your hygiene pack, that's good, but there is not really anything wrong in buying a dedicated travel version.
After your travel you can keep on using the travel toothbrush untill you have used it up completely. That is if you are so concerned about mindless materialism. Anyways, people do have spare toothbrushes. I have an electric toothbrush in use and a couple regural ones that I keep in the storage in case I end up needing them. I can give them to my friends/relatives who stay overnight if they happen to forget their own. Or, I can use them myself if my electric toothbrush stops working.
Yeah, even children are capable of figuring out that it works fine if you put the brush in diagonally.
>i don't care or see the appeal so NO ONE ELSE SHOULD. THAT'S ABSURD
maybe they just think it's fun you frickin gay
>oh jeez these guys over here with their
no. you are gay. shut the frick up. everyone is gay. everyone does stupid moronic shit. everyone on earth. shut the frick up
>everyone does stupid moronic shit
I was about to disagree cause I think it is completely moronic but this is a solid point. I concede, UL gays.
i think there's a good compromise between trying to min/max certain big items to cut weight and autistically cutting the handle of your toothbrush off to save 4 grams of weight. picking your lightest shelter, sleeping bag, and cooking system is going to net you the most weight reduction
No, theyre actually quite helpful, especially when it comes for companies to push the bounderies of high tech equipment. Lowering your weight means you can cover more distance, bring more comfy items, and possibly more food.
Im not a die hard ultralighter, but you can certainly pick up some good ideas from them, which can makes your time outside a lot more enjoyable.
What I tend to do is train hard with a heavy pack, and then hike light.
Pyroxylin is a protoplastic, probably used as a coating, but I’m really not sure. Pic is from 1924.
There’s also a story somewhere about a hiking club in Maine that did week long excursions with 12lb packs in the 30’s.
>making a tent out of nitrocellulose
dear fricking christ what the frick
If you put it close to the fire, you can cook your breakfast overnight while sleeping.
>overnight
More like a few minutes. Nitrocellulose isn't called "flash paper" for nothing. Now I doubt that tent would burn as fast as a wad of nitrocellulose "cotton", but have a look at this:
These balls aren't even pure nitrocellulose and look how quick they go up.
Thats nothing, some people go outside alone for a whole day..
Maybe it's a huge deal if you're some oversocialized, brain-fried zoomer
He got out experience in Minecraft.
Ultralight is a demonstration of modern technology, not outdoor skills. It's too artificial for my tastes.
See:
>pictures from 1924
>quip from the 1940’s
>”modern”
Even in its current form it dates back to Ray Jardine and the mid 1990’s (even though he never used the term “ultralight”).
Notice that those tents don't have doors or floors. They are not comparable to modern tents of similar weight.
First, the bottom one does have a door. The caption even says “with front attached” and gives a different weight. But no one was comparing them to modern tents. They were just being shown as an example of a century old ultralight concept.
Going full on gram counting is a bit too much for my taste.
Saving some weight by using ultralight gear where it makes sense, is not a bad idea.
I'll probably get an ultralight tipi and build an ultralight rifle for bigger solo hunts.
That'll free up more weight budget for food, spotting scope, tripod and miscellaneous shit.
My grandad would occasionally sleep in deer skins and that was a pretty common thing for skin hunters to do back when the money way good. They'd sleep under logs and bluffs without any cover at all too, just a fire and a sleeping bag. I think spending a lot of time PrepHole you eventually just garden the frick up and realize you're the most useful piece of equipment there is.
Funny how you can look at a picture and instantly know its from NZ, Like I gaurantee thats Deer Cullers from the South Island.
Sleeping without a shelter fricking sucks, bugs and shit all over you. If you said to these guys "hey check out this waterproof tent with bug mesh and it weighs 2lb" every single one would immediately take it.
No shit, they'd not even be doing that job in our modern.
Get a bivy bag you homo.
Why didn’t people long ago use bivy bags?
shit materials
>You're the most useful piece of equipment there is
This man has been outside.
It really has all to do with energy consumption. Eat fat all day and you will stay warm and healthy no matter what.
I went backpacking as a teen with just my wallet, passport and phone. Walked out the door one day and didnt come back for 3 years.
Just bougt a small cheap backpack and 2nd pair of clothes when I got to Thailand.
You dont need anything really to go backpacking youll be in a town most of the time that caters to backpackers.
Wrong board. You’re looking for PrepHole.
These people are hiking thousands of miles not bumming around Thailand fricking trannies you dumb homosexual
>youll be in a town
Are you lost?
moron
No. If you have ever done a long distance backpacking trip, you will understand why people will sacrifice just about anything to have a lighter pack. If you can’t contemplate this, I expect you have never done it.
Not OP but I've always been a bit skeptical, and to you're point I've never done a long through-hike. I can understand that shit adds up and cutting out anything unnecessary is desirable, but at the same time surely you get to a point of diminishing returns? Like the difference between a few extra ounces total weight is splitting hairs?
For sure. And that point is different for everyone and the environment. PCT in summer is different than East Coast in a rainy fall. I'm a big guy (for you) so I'm already carrying weight for bigger items and it doesn't make sense for me cut out everything since my base weight feels better with some kind of heavier framed pack anyway. But redditors have to compete online somehow.
Well, this certainly didn’t go the way OP had planned. Glad to see the /k/ refugees and the contrarian newbies are outnumbered by actual PrepHoleists.
teh frick you on about schizo? People having a discussion here, take your meds.
It's almost like the culmination of a philosophy. I'm surprised that the Japanese didn't invent "ultra-light" after they got bored with making bonsai trees, or organising their rooms according to feng-sui.
Of course I minimise weight but these days things are light enough anyway, you can even pack extra things that at one time you'd leave behind. My self-inflating 12.5cm thick camping bed (a luxury item, frankly) only weights 1.5lbs in itself.
But the bed only cost £45 delivered, I should say.
Even cheap consumer items that aren't even necessary can be carried these days at little extra weight.
OP is a gay.
I don't ultralight, but what's the hate? People trying to reduce weight of gear they carry and come up with creative ways to do it. It pushes the entire ecosystem to research new materials, and find multiple uses for single items.
I'm glad we're using titanium pots instead of cast iron.
What bed do you use?
Most the hate comes from terminally online discussions about weight and occasionally ridiculous obsession to cut a scant few grams. But a lot of that is online is a place where numbers and theory and the 'new lightest thing's are really easy to discuss forever. Where as most people talked about which hikes they've done like: check out these pics, it was nice. Hey great job. End of discussion. So even with UL being a useful philosophy, the discussions it spawns are not always practical or interesting and sometimes stupid. Most hobbies have their own issues with posting about it online being easier and more often then actually doing and sharing.
I immediately thought of Reddit and autistic Youtubers based on your description.
Yeah but don't act like channers aren't equally catty
The hate for ultralight that I read on PrepHole is always brain damaged moron-tier takes, so it’s really cemented my opinion that it’s a good idea.
I think everybody should do PrepHole the way they want as long as they aren't being destructive or fricking up everyone else's experience, but I always think it's crazy when anons b***h that a four-pound tent is "heavy".
Agreed, this is the best take. As long as no one is being disruptive or ruining anyone's experience, what's the trouble?
Having said that, 4lbs isn't bad, but if you're covering massive ground per day on a thru hike, you'd be grateful for having a 2lb tent. Or 1 lb. For the record, I'm still running around with a 3p ozark trail tent I got for $30 lol.
The assumption is probably that if someone is using a 4lb tent then they’re a moron or poor. It’s generally a safe assumption.
Found one
I use a 4lb tent, I can tell you I'm no moron and I'm not poor, I just don't have much time to PrepHole, and only go out a couple days every few months, no reason to buy an expensive light tent, my 30$ one is fine.
After having done several trips with a pack weighing 60-80lbs, I think not.
Wow do jannies really prefer 10 boot threads over 10/10s?
I love UL. I am mentally ill, but you cant convince me that it is better to carry more weight when backpacking. I enjoy having a comfy weight on my back without having any strain or stress for long term hiking.
That's a pretty standard amount of stuff for backpacking, though. What else do you really need?
Leather boots because those Altras will harden when they get muddy.
Only if it's exactly two cups of mud. That's why you walk with your hips, so that you fling the mud off and keep it from getting past the threshold. Alternatively, you could just walk next to trees, as the thermal pockets keep mud from forming.
The tree thing is actually a real good tip. Im in a tarp most nights out and while that's really good in the summer if the skies open up in fall it can be chilly. Camping under a nice tree can be that much more comfortable. Even just drier ground can real make the difference.
It's a meme. Anon was making a joke.
The tree thing is only a meme in their context. Dense plant cover tends to trap the air from wind and plant radiant heat more slowly so that the area under them is often warmer later into the night. Because of this it will also help prevent evaporative cooling, so less condensation when the sun goes down. Depending on the exact conditions of your area, it can make a degree or 2 of difference, and depending on other factors it can add up. Give it a shot. Relevant to ultralight, lot of folks will run as little insulation as reasonable and can use techniques to make up the difference in edge cases.
Context is everything. Most ultralight pad and bag are foam and down, which can last a decade or more. Leaving behind excess stuff is the opposite of consuming. Probably the worst part is finding out the things you do want or need can take some trial, but that is true of anything.
Depends on where you’re going to be walking.
Holy shit, it’s the Hardened Mudgay!
Problem with ultralight shit is durability. You carry less weight but you pay more for something with a shelf life essentialy since even the most advanced materials are pretty thin and will wear quick even with light use. Also UL schizos skip things such as a pad to protect the 15D or less tent floor and mattress and don't mind wasting money on replacement.
Essentially they are the problem with the world today, which is consumerism and mountains of waste. I would respect more a tarp camper or even a bushcraft moron anyday over some homosexual ultra lighter vaccinated onions consumer.
What an uneducated and gay thing to say, a lot of the time ‘ultralight’ especially expensive ultralight is way better in every department including durability. Better design, better materials. More thought out for the task. etc. I mean this is just the dumbest thing to say. An ultralight 400ultra fabric backpack is 30x as durable as anything else on the market. The lightest, most expensive Air mattresses are also the most durable- thermarest neoair. Dynema is a much better material than shit tent cloth (nylon), and that too will soon be replaced with ultra fabric. Wanker homosexual moron larping weirdo
Looks like someone touched a fragile ultralight nerve
I had one too you know, also wasn't even as comfortable as people claim
Air mattresses are uncomfortable because you’re too fat.
Air mattresses miraculously get a lot more comfortable when you lose 20lbs and get some exercise in the day. this mat works better than good. I’m sure there are a few one offs, but durability is amazing with this pad, and blow up time? Are you fricking joking? So 5 air sack pumps instead of 4? Who actually cares about something so trivial when the pros are so strong. You people are insane, and I’m starting to think just obese, larping Brit’s. Complaining their extremely comfortable air mattress isn’t comfortable enough. Sorry my queen
Agreed. I love my neoair. It's comfy. If these dinguses are blowing it up to 100% capacity and are going "wtf, it's hard like a rock!!!" and can't figure out to just let out a little air to get it comfy, that's on them.
Have had mine since 2017 and have never had to patch that shit. Been through probably ~25 multiday hiking trips so far.
I'm 6'1 and weigh 90 kg moron. You can get non UL garbage inflatables that are 200% more comfortable than that "lite" bullshit therm-a-rest is so well know for.
>kg
Nailed it. moronic fat bong detected.
>nooooo I’m heckin skinny
Sure you are
>feet and inches
>kilograms too
Fricking pick one
So you are indeed overweight, mate.
Some benefit of the doubt given, that's nowhere near obese and could be acceptable if anon is even somewhat muscular.
It’s overweight.
>but muh muscle mass!
Maybe. The percentage of men who are overweight by simple BMI standards due to muscle mass but have a healthy body fat percentage is below 10%. It’s 4.7% of the population, but that includes women. It’s assumed men would be over represented.
The percentage who are obese by BMI standards but a healthy (or very low) body fat percentage is closer to 1% (basically serious gym bros only).
Basically BMI is right unless you work out regularly. The people who speak against it are just coping fatties. His BMI is over 26.
>It’s overweight
I didn't disagree. I said it's not obese.
this
I've got a thermarest that's 25 years old. They give you patches for it when you buy it.....
t. Non obese brit
>non obese brit
You're like a unicorn
Ultralight is LARP pure and simple. Nearly all the "fun" of it comes from the practice of it and not the application. Doing your research, having it all laid out in your living room, trying to shave minute bits of weight off, busting out your notebook and doing quick maths. That is what it is all really about. Then you get outside and realize it fricking sucks to not have any of the stuff that would make being PrepHole so much God damn better but you're too filled with pure cope and you convince yourself that the reason it's so bad is because you need to shave a bit more weight off so you get back home and spend 30 hours over the next 2 weeks planning an outing again. It's like Warhammer where they collect the figures and paint them and live within the community then once a month MAYBE they will actually sit down and play. If you're wondering yes I did fall victim to it and was heavily invested for over a year. Sold all the gear for a massive profit though because when I was getting out everyone was getting tricked in.
Post your LighterPack
Did you not see the part about the notebook and quick maths? If you use what is essentially a gloried data entry app then you're ruining half the fun of laying stuff out, weighing it, and noting it down. You're turning a personal endeavor into a communal activity which isn't what Ultralight was meant to be. It was a challenge of ones self not a competition with others. It's why I got into it in the first place, but soon realized the challenge wasn't worth the loss of fun.
For me, the fun is in my knees not feeling like shit after a couple of days of hiking and also it lets me bring dumb heavy shit like packrafts on shorter trips.
>my knees not feeling like shit after a couple of days of hiking
Are you 60+ years old or something? If not you're doing something incredibly wrong if you knees are giving out after a few days of carrying an average load. Even out elk hunting the only thing that gets sore is my back and that is just after doing the back and forth carrying out the harvest.
Sports injury.
There we go, that's what it's all about. Cut down wait here to bring more there.
>actual fat milsurp larper mad true hikers and outdoorsman have figured out to go ultralight in order to pack QOL items
You stupid mother fricker.
Oh hey look, a real outdoorsman.
>hurr durr fat
Post body or you automatically admit you are full of shit
You mean the guys advertising a bunch of products in a youtube video?
It's a hobby, maybe there is an element of autism/ocd but it's fun challenging yourself and breaking your own records.
>mentally ill
Only if you mean "have an opinion I don't agree with"
>PrepHole ripping apart fat ass larpers who don't understand the true purpose of ultralight
I kneel, PrepHole you actually didn't let me down for once.
Post body
yes, they are mentally ill (autism or over-socialization)
it's no longer a >30 lbs vs <10 lbs debate, it's ultralighters denying themselves another 3 lbs to sleep comfortably and have a double-walled tent
lightweight to superlightweight is where it's at
a ultralight tarptent would get btfo by the humidity, rain and strong winds where i live but i'll still buy and use an "ultralight" double-walled traditional tunnel tent (3 lbs 1 oz)
>larp larp larp larp larp larp larp larp
This board is becoming as shitty as PrepHole.
Need jannie to set an autocorrect to turn "larp" into "really cool thing to do" for keks