Are these helis the only thing holding the vatnik's defense line together?

In June 2023 there were 111 KA-52 strikes against Ukrainian armored vehicles published by Russian media.
The number of strikes in June 2023 exceeds the total combined KA-52/Mi-28NM strikes (109) published in the rest of the war.

Source with all videos dated: https://airtable.com/shrF70VkLCRqUzsuo/tblGOzFRGPpsw551J

Who knows how many kills weren't recorded.

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, these are

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    They could well be. IMO this war has demonstrated that both the KA52 and MI28 are actually pretty excellent gunships, that are only held back by their lack of modernization and almost total lack of support from other parts of the Russian military. Whoever did the superhind package should do an upgrade for both of them so they can use NLOS missiles and more up to date optics; and you'd probably get a decent potential export chopper.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why? Its just a launch platform for the Vikhr seems like any helicopter with that missile would acheive the same result.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >both the KA52 and MI28 are actually pretty excellent gunships, that are only held back by their lack of modernization and almost total lack of support from other parts of the Russian militar
      >this system is actually extremely good it is just held back by outdated software, weapon suite, electronics, design, utilisation and as an idea
      aha

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        The design is fine, the missiles it mounts are holding it back; in the same way it would hold back any heli that wasn't equipped to fire them. The point was that you might expect it to have some critical design flaw like other Russian equipment like fuel tanks in the doors or carousel ammo storage, but its seems to be a well designed aircraft that is just old and in need of some fresher electronics and munitions.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          i agree that the design of the airframe isn't a problem, but getting better electronics and munitions isn't just a quick unequip/reequip
          the argument being made sort of sounds like "it's good if you replace half of it with better stuff"

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            You cant build a solid structure on foundations of sand. Every gunship going forward needs NLOS to be competitive, and improving avionics and optics is standard even for the best designs. The argument being made is that its already good, but it has antiquated features that should be upgraded.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      most of it's success seems to be because
      >defense advantage for something with long range missiles
      >fricking YUGE lines of sight in every direction
      >targets usually in the process of getting fricked by a minefield at the time of targeting
      which, like the other anons said, would make any chopper look absurdly good

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        No, it definitely wouldn't. If you tried to do any of this without modern ATGMs and fire control like say on a Kiowa or Lynx you'd get swiss cheesed by the Bradleys.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Nta you replied too but i guess you didnt read his first point
          >Long range atgm
          So no, the Bradley wouldnt make swiss cheese of that. The Vikhrs doesnt need a top tier fire control system its a pretty bog standard atgm with big range, like an air launcher Kornet.
          You could rig one on a Jet Ranger and it would have the same effect as the Kamov.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            I highly doubt that. The Bell would probably cook from the lack of thermal cladding alone from firing a Vikhr let alone the lack of ECM, counter measures, cruise speed, general airframe robustness, lack of autocannon, etc

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Non of the reasons bar the (thermal cladding) you listed changes what i said. The ECM and counter measures dont matter because the range the Kamov has been engaging superceeds the range of Ukrainian manpad and shorad.
              Cruise speed and airframe robustness? Sure but that doesnt stop X from launching a laser guided missile at a vehicle from 8km, which is what the Kamov has been doing.
              Autocannon, dont be silly.
              Tl:dr the Kamov is being used as a missile sniper, out ranging Ukrainian AA. Take the Vihkr missile away from the Kamov and replace it with a shorter range missile and it would be shredded. The missile is doing all the work here, not the helicopter.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      How can they even upgrade it without imported western parts and equipment?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Whoever did the superhind package should do an upgrade for both of them so they can use NLOS missiles and more up to date optics; and you'd probably get a decent potential export chopper.
      Superhind was made by South African Paramount Group. That being said, west should sanction every company that offers upgrades to Russian equipment to hell and back. To reduce export potential of Russian aircraft and other weapons, because export sales is main reason Russia still has defense and aerospace industry.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Real subtle, OP.

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Don't know why /k/ gets upset when someone says the Ka-52 is good.
    >but muh electronics!
    >but muh atgm footage!
    >missile is good the platform is shit!
    It could use modernization packages, try and larp as an Apache, but no need to get emotional when it's getting its job done.
    Not that it is possible anyway with current Russian m industry. They can't even import advanced European components due to sanctions.
    Or is it that you secretly want the Russians to do better?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      This whole thread has been very civil apart from maybe one comment. Stop sperging, sperg.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm sorry people aren't willing to pretend a Kobra knockoff in the year 1978+45 is good or impressive.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Because it's shakes itself to death and vatniks need to admit it. It's killing more it's own people than Ukrainians. It went from funny to just sad.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Don't know why /k/ gets upset when someone says the Ka-52 is good.
      It's ironic you say this as you get upset when someone says it's not good... It's objectively a piece of shit, outdated aircraft. It's not been modernized, so your fantasy-tale story of "it could use modernization packages!" doesn't make it any less shit than it currently is.

      >Or is it that you secretly want the Russians to do better?
      Either a child, or moronic. Either way you don't belong here, newbie.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      i dont know why people argue about shit like helicopters, jets and carriers at all. like even if it's not the best attack helicopter, it's still a fricking attack helicopter

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I-i-it ii-iis a-al-all g-goo-gooo-oooo-oood! I-i-i-i-i swe-e-e-e-ea-a-a-arr-a-a-r! Y-yo-u-u-u-u-u-l-l ge-g-e-ge-get u-u-u-sese-se-ed, to-to-to-to-to i-it-it-it!

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Slow down, grab the wall
        Wiggle like you tryna make yo ass fall off
        Hella thick I wanna smash 'em all, now
        Speed up, gas pedal, now
        Speed up, gas pedal

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    WELL DONE SIR, VERY ORGANIC THREAD!

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      we can have a conversation with you spastics fricking things up

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >having a conversation
        >ackshually, it's really good because look what the MoD told me!
        topkek

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Read 21:3

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >published by Russian media
    So the real number is likely significantly lower.

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Can the Skaven even replace these or are they lost tech like everything else they fly?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      as long as skaven can smuggle enough of human electronics they might produce half a dozen in a year

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      They are still being produced.

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    mines to funnel into killzones and disable armored vehicles
    artillery to destroy/disable light armor
    attack helicopters to pick off what's left
    classic strategy to stop armored assaults
    vatniks are finally learning

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >all those strike videos
    >only a small percent of them identifies the target as anything else other than armored vehicle

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >https://airtable.com/shrF70VkLCRqUzsuo/tblGOzFRGPpsw551J/viwSJX58ZTHn3kkSk/recTiBikXNRDickTa/fldZNXLgcS4nyuio3/attX5bcTnfjDblfkS

      Seems pretty clear to me. Video is purposefully downgraded in a few clips like the screenshot you posted. Keep in mind that these are all shot from 10km+ away.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah, like that video where they shot at fricking combine harvesters then the MOD claimed they destroyed 2 Leos, ye?

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Plenty of videos on the list have distinct silhuetes of bmps, MRAPS or tanks - when they have their turrets sticking out the side.

          Vikhr has a range of max 8km from a helicopter, it would also take 20+ seconds to reach the target from 8km. Your video in particular doesn't seem to be an 8km shot. It's also one of the "clear" videos where some silhouettes are visible with hit effects.

          Vikhr has a stated range of 10-12km. The videos in the list are cut, I presume to cut the filesize. The originals are available online and in vast majority of them the flight time of the missiles are 20+ seconds.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Vikhr has a stated range of 10-12km
            This is apparently the range when launched from a plane

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >he originals are available online and in vast majority of them the flight time of the missiles are 20+ seconds.
            How likely is it that russians lied about the missile speed?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Vikhr has a range of max 8km from a helicopter, it would also take 20+ seconds to reach the target from 8km. Your video in particular doesn't seem to be an 8km shot. It's also one of the "clear" videos where some silhouettes are visible with hit effects.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        MRAPs are low value targets.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Bradley guncam footage is better than this and the optics are from the 90s

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >Holholinas
    Hohol. If you're going to shitpost, learn to spell the god damn word.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It was clearly a female hohol hence hoholina.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        He said holholina. It's ho hol, not hol hol. Hol Hol might sound nicer in your head when you say it there, but it is spelled Ho Hol. So it would be hoholina.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Hol might sound nicer in your head
          hes probably a pajeet

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        artist?

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

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  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Can a fighter hit these at long range with a look down shoot down pulse doppler radar and aim-120? I have seen people claim helicopter rotors show up due to their velocity.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes, but nobody is flying that high in Ukraine except Russians because of the S-500 and S-400 batteries.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        every time russia loses a city they add another 100 to their S-300 systems

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Common misconception. The truth is they add 100 every time the US unveils a new generation of stealth bomber.

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    why don't they get shot down by SHORAD?
    also I don't see any of these vids on oryx.

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    helicopters are pretty good for defence (*if you have shit tier intel and the enemy extend alot leaving traked units behind) and exploiting openings but horrible for slow static war.

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Whatever it's shortcomings, at least it burns well.

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >it's another KA-52 shill thread
    reminder of the thread where OP posted reddit links and told people the footage was on reddit, then telling everyone you needed a reddit account like him to see them.
    reminder that he, in the same thread, admitted to ban evading as well as samegayging with multiple IP's.

    the KA-52 is shit now, was always shit, and will always shit.
    no amount of shilling on /k/ will solve this.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      lol, I wanna see that thread. Jeets started posting reddit links?

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The communist fears the Italian.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      why is it so smol?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's a light attack helo, but it's packed with goodies.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      why is it so smol?

      It's a light attack helo, but it's packed with goodies.

      What is it about tiny Italian military equipment that just makes you want to own it?

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Italians can into design, their equipment looks incredibly sexy. Even the crap Ariete looks hawt.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Modern italians are pacifists in spirit, that's why there's an emphasis on beauty rather than utility.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Modern italians
          What are you considering modern?

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            post-unification. They lost their warrior grit somewhere during that time.

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              If anything it was after WW1. The Italians had plenty of grit during the fight against Austro-Hungary.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                AH and Italy were both sick&rotten nations clobbering it out like morons. When germans came with some reinforcements and took over the command, they mopped up the front.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Well to be fair, the Mangusta is a great light attack helicopter. And many of the equipment produced by Leonardo is pretty good even in an international lens.
          Also, even if their MBT is shit their tank hunter is pretty great, the Centauro went in Somalia and Iraq untouched. And now it's being upgraded!

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Give CV33 GF

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