In June 2023 there were 111 KA-52 strikes against Ukrainian armored vehicles published by Russian media.
The number of strikes in June 2023 exceeds the total combined KA-52/Mi-28NM strikes (109) published in the rest of the war.
Source with all videos dated: https://airtable.com/shrF70VkLCRqUzsuo/tblGOzFRGPpsw551J
Who knows how many kills weren't recorded.
No, these are
They could well be. IMO this war has demonstrated that both the KA52 and MI28 are actually pretty excellent gunships, that are only held back by their lack of modernization and almost total lack of support from other parts of the Russian military. Whoever did the superhind package should do an upgrade for both of them so they can use NLOS missiles and more up to date optics; and you'd probably get a decent potential export chopper.
Why? Its just a launch platform for the Vikhr seems like any helicopter with that missile would acheive the same result.
>both the KA52 and MI28 are actually pretty excellent gunships, that are only held back by their lack of modernization and almost total lack of support from other parts of the Russian militar
>this system is actually extremely good it is just held back by outdated software, weapon suite, electronics, design, utilisation and as an idea
aha
The design is fine, the missiles it mounts are holding it back; in the same way it would hold back any heli that wasn't equipped to fire them. The point was that you might expect it to have some critical design flaw like other Russian equipment like fuel tanks in the doors or carousel ammo storage, but its seems to be a well designed aircraft that is just old and in need of some fresher electronics and munitions.
i agree that the design of the airframe isn't a problem, but getting better electronics and munitions isn't just a quick unequip/reequip
the argument being made sort of sounds like "it's good if you replace half of it with better stuff"
You cant build a solid structure on foundations of sand. Every gunship going forward needs NLOS to be competitive, and improving avionics and optics is standard even for the best designs. The argument being made is that its already good, but it has antiquated features that should be upgraded.
most of it's success seems to be because
>defense advantage for something with long range missiles
>fricking YUGE lines of sight in every direction
>targets usually in the process of getting fricked by a minefield at the time of targeting
which, like the other anons said, would make any chopper look absurdly good
No, it definitely wouldn't. If you tried to do any of this without modern ATGMs and fire control like say on a Kiowa or Lynx you'd get swiss cheesed by the Bradleys.
Nta you replied too but i guess you didnt read his first point
>Long range atgm
So no, the Bradley wouldnt make swiss cheese of that. The Vikhrs doesnt need a top tier fire control system its a pretty bog standard atgm with big range, like an air launcher Kornet.
You could rig one on a Jet Ranger and it would have the same effect as the Kamov.
I highly doubt that. The Bell would probably cook from the lack of thermal cladding alone from firing a Vikhr let alone the lack of ECM, counter measures, cruise speed, general airframe robustness, lack of autocannon, etc
Non of the reasons bar the (thermal cladding) you listed changes what i said. The ECM and counter measures dont matter because the range the Kamov has been engaging superceeds the range of Ukrainian manpad and shorad.
Cruise speed and airframe robustness? Sure but that doesnt stop X from launching a laser guided missile at a vehicle from 8km, which is what the Kamov has been doing.
Autocannon, dont be silly.
Tl:dr the Kamov is being used as a missile sniper, out ranging Ukrainian AA. Take the Vihkr missile away from the Kamov and replace it with a shorter range missile and it would be shredded. The missile is doing all the work here, not the helicopter.
How can they even upgrade it without imported western parts and equipment?
>Whoever did the superhind package should do an upgrade for both of them so they can use NLOS missiles and more up to date optics; and you'd probably get a decent potential export chopper.
Superhind was made by South African Paramount Group. That being said, west should sanction every company that offers upgrades to Russian equipment to hell and back. To reduce export potential of Russian aircraft and other weapons, because export sales is main reason Russia still has defense and aerospace industry.
Real subtle, OP.
Don't know why /k/ gets upset when someone says the Ka-52 is good.
>but muh electronics!
>but muh atgm footage!
>missile is good the platform is shit!
It could use modernization packages, try and larp as an Apache, but no need to get emotional when it's getting its job done.
Not that it is possible anyway with current Russian m industry. They can't even import advanced European components due to sanctions.
Or is it that you secretly want the Russians to do better?
This whole thread has been very civil apart from maybe one comment. Stop sperging, sperg.
I'm sorry people aren't willing to pretend a Kobra knockoff in the year 1978+45 is good or impressive.
Because it's shakes itself to death and vatniks need to admit it. It's killing more it's own people than Ukrainians. It went from funny to just sad.
>Don't know why /k/ gets upset when someone says the Ka-52 is good.
It's ironic you say this as you get upset when someone says it's not good... It's objectively a piece of shit, outdated aircraft. It's not been modernized, so your fantasy-tale story of "it could use modernization packages!" doesn't make it any less shit than it currently is.
>Or is it that you secretly want the Russians to do better?
Either a child, or moronic. Either way you don't belong here, newbie.
i dont know why people argue about shit like helicopters, jets and carriers at all. like even if it's not the best attack helicopter, it's still a fricking attack helicopter
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Slow down, grab the wall
Wiggle like you tryna make yo ass fall off
Hella thick I wanna smash 'em all, now
Speed up, gas pedal, now
Speed up, gas pedal
WELL DONE SIR, VERY ORGANIC THREAD!
we can have a conversation with you spastics fricking things up
>having a conversation
>ackshually, it's really good because look what the MoD told me!
topkek
Read 21:3
>published by Russian media
So the real number is likely significantly lower.
Can the Skaven even replace these or are they lost tech like everything else they fly?
as long as skaven can smuggle enough of human electronics they might produce half a dozen in a year
They are still being produced.
mines to funnel into killzones and disable armored vehicles
artillery to destroy/disable light armor
attack helicopters to pick off what's left
classic strategy to stop armored assaults
vatniks are finally learning
>all those strike videos
>only a small percent of them identifies the target as anything else other than armored vehicle
>https://airtable.com/shrF70VkLCRqUzsuo/tblGOzFRGPpsw551J/viwSJX58ZTHn3kkSk/recTiBikXNRDickTa/fldZNXLgcS4nyuio3/attX5bcTnfjDblfkS
Seems pretty clear to me. Video is purposefully downgraded in a few clips like the screenshot you posted. Keep in mind that these are all shot from 10km+ away.
Yeah, like that video where they shot at fricking combine harvesters then the MOD claimed they destroyed 2 Leos, ye?
Plenty of videos on the list have distinct silhuetes of bmps, MRAPS or tanks - when they have their turrets sticking out the side.
Vikhr has a stated range of 10-12km. The videos in the list are cut, I presume to cut the filesize. The originals are available online and in vast majority of them the flight time of the missiles are 20+ seconds.
>Vikhr has a stated range of 10-12km
This is apparently the range when launched from a plane
>he originals are available online and in vast majority of them the flight time of the missiles are 20+ seconds.
How likely is it that russians lied about the missile speed?
Vikhr has a range of max 8km from a helicopter, it would also take 20+ seconds to reach the target from 8km. Your video in particular doesn't seem to be an 8km shot. It's also one of the "clear" videos where some silhouettes are visible with hit effects.
MRAPs are low value targets.
Bradley guncam footage is better than this and the optics are from the 90s
>Holholinas
Hohol. If you're going to shitpost, learn to spell the god damn word.
It was clearly a female hohol hence hoholina.
He said holholina. It's ho hol, not hol hol. Hol Hol might sound nicer in your head when you say it there, but it is spelled Ho Hol. So it would be hoholina.
>Hol might sound nicer in your head
hes probably a pajeet
artist?
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Can a fighter hit these at long range with a look down shoot down pulse doppler radar and aim-120? I have seen people claim helicopter rotors show up due to their velocity.
Yes, but nobody is flying that high in Ukraine except Russians because of the S-500 and S-400 batteries.
every time russia loses a city they add another 100 to their S-300 systems
Common misconception. The truth is they add 100 every time the US unveils a new generation of stealth bomber.
why don't they get shot down by SHORAD?
also I don't see any of these vids on oryx.
helicopters are pretty good for defence (*if you have shit tier intel and the enemy extend alot leaving traked units behind) and exploiting openings but horrible for slow static war.
Whatever it's shortcomings, at least it burns well.
>it's another KA-52 shill thread
reminder of the thread where OP posted reddit links and told people the footage was on reddit, then telling everyone you needed a reddit account like him to see them.
reminder that he, in the same thread, admitted to ban evading as well as samegayging with multiple IP's.
the KA-52 is shit now, was always shit, and will always shit.
no amount of shilling on /k/ will solve this.
lol, I wanna see that thread. Jeets started posting reddit links?
The communist fears the Italian.
why is it so smol?
It's a light attack helo, but it's packed with goodies.
What is it about tiny Italian military equipment that just makes you want to own it?
Italians can into design, their equipment looks incredibly sexy. Even the crap Ariete looks hawt.
Modern italians are pacifists in spirit, that's why there's an emphasis on beauty rather than utility.
>Modern italians
What are you considering modern?
post-unification. They lost their warrior grit somewhere during that time.
If anything it was after WW1. The Italians had plenty of grit during the fight against Austro-Hungary.
AH and Italy were both sick&rotten nations clobbering it out like morons. When germans came with some reinforcements and took over the command, they mopped up the front.
Well to be fair, the Mangusta is a great light attack helicopter. And many of the equipment produced by Leonardo is pretty good even in an international lens.
Also, even if their MBT is shit their tank hunter is pretty great, the Centauro went in Somalia and Iraq untouched. And now it's being upgraded!
Give CV33 GF