Are there any FALs with a reputation for good accuracy? From what I've read, they don't make particularly good sniping platforms. Any way to make them better?
Are there any FALs with a reputation for good accuracy?
Are there any FALs with a reputation for good accuracy? From what I've read, they don't make particularly good sniping platforms. Any way to make them better?
Reputation? No, not really. The inconsistent tilting-bolt lockup and relatively light (whippy) barrel on the stock FAL makes for an inherently inaccurate design compared to many of its contemporaries. Combine this with the fact that for a long time the only option for mounting optics was a dust cover that fit loosely with the receiver and you can see why it doesn't have a reputation for being a good sniper/DMR.
That doesn't meant armies haven't tried though. The 2 most successful attempts I can think of are the NZ SAS taking old line-thrower L1A1s out of the fleet and using them in Afghanistan, and the Irish Army building a .308 DMR off of their old mothballed FALs. Both use modern parts throughout, most notably they both sourced railed dust covers from DSA. So I guess it is possible, but it was a matter of necessity in both cases and I'm sure if they had access to better options things would've gone differently.
closer pic of NZSAS rifle
Irish DMR
But seriously OP, the juice is not worth the squeeze for this. Unless you have an autistic with obsession with modern FALs and a burning hatred of money.
Figures. I wonder if anyone ever tried making a FAL with more of an AR style upper (i.e: not a flimsy dust cover but a proper upper fixed to the barrel).
The inherent inconsistency of a tilting bolt lockup, especially with the kinds of tolerances the FAL is working with, is something you're never going to get past no matter what you do to the rest of the gun.
So the FAL isn't salvageable for long-range, unless you basically redesign the entire locking system. Figures.
>So the FAL isn't salvageable for long-range, unless you basically redesign the entire locking system
exactly
If you want a semi-auto for long-range stuff, the AR-10 is the most accessible option. An M1A stocked up in a Sage EBR chassis can deliver good results too, but a build like that is really fricking expensive. I know frick all about the G3, so I can't speak on it but I do know the PSG-1 was really, really expensive to build.
this
the m14 got a large dose of american autism
the psg got a similar dose of german autism which was a much less distributed effort so very low production and it shares almost no parts with the G3
the AR just naturally works for the purpose, it lacks soul, but...
The fact is a basic b***h PSA AR 10 is cheaper than a fal in terms of production costs and has the potential for greater accuracy if you put the work in, full stop. That said, I agree with the lacking a soul bit. That old wood furniture got me acting up, let me tell you
I'm a fan of the plastic stock/pg and the stamped steel stg-58 handguards that get hot as frick really fast.
Shit just looks good even if it is shit, kinda like an actual carry handle upper on an AR.
Don't get me wrong, that stamped steel/injected molded plastic cold War look definitely has its place, and clearly has won at this point... but man, I miss when war rifles had those bulky wood hand guards and chunky wood buttstocks that you could slam into a tank and it would still be fine
>wood furniture
Now that is what I'm taking about, kek
>taking bout
FAL is so shit that Brit SAS opted for G3s during the Gulf war.
I think you're putting too much emphasis on the lockup. The Brazilians basically made a free floated FAL upper in the 7.62 IA2, and claim sub-moa accuracy in some variants. I find it to be dubious that its quite that good, but the FAL has always suffered from lack of free float options (basically just those shitty DSA tubes) and I've long suspected that a lot of the supposedly inherent issues of the design are down to it never getting an equivalent EBR program like the M14 did.
remmy 700s have the same rec threads
so guys have done stupid heavy barrels on their FALs with relative ease, but they just don't work well tor precision work
>FALs with a reputation for good accuracy
nope.
If you want to improve it I think you should shorten the barrel and make it thicker to reduce barrel whip. After that a lot of the issues stem from it being tilting bolt mechanism, changing the locking mechanism isn't an easy task so you're not going to be making it a DMR anytime soon
>600yrd line FAL count = ZERO
based highpower bro
Haven't seen any HK/PTR91s either. ever. ...EVER.
There was a guy on the FAL Files years ago who built an L1A1 into a highpower match rifle and had some success with it. He called it Billabong IIRC. You might try searching up and reading his posts.
The FAL has always been for plunking 7.62 reliably down range, sand nor withstanding. Nowhere in the specifications did it say to be accurate. That said, it is a pretty rifle
That's the problem: I want something that looks like a FAL but acts like an AR.
Ask yourself what you're actually going to use it for. A decent FAL will print a 3-3.5 MOA group and that's plenty for man-sized shit out to 300-500 if you know how to shoot.
I'm a CO-Bro, so hypothetical SHTF scenario could involve mountain fighting.
No rifle made around that time with exception of specialty ones like the PSG or WA2000 are particularly accurate on a consistent basis with modern standards, double so for semi autos. Even specialty made DMR’s like the Dragunov that birthed the entire concept of a DMR are no exception.
>I want something that looks like this weapon type but acts like a completely different one
Thats just not going to happen OP, there’s a reason why AR style rifles have become the golden standard as far as longer range semi autos go. Those older style rifles are more along the good enough to reliably hit a man size target hundreds of yards/meters out mentality as opposed to some sort of super precise weapon. Hell for a long time thats what AR’s fell under too. Squeezing every last bit of precision out of something for your general issue weapon is a very recent phenomenon, and thats just because now its evolved to where you can do that on a commercial basis without a whole autism rifle requiring a shitton of care both manufacturing and shooting to achieve. There’s a reason why WA2000’s for example were only made in the low hundreds and sent to special police units and why the PSG was such a big deal when it came out.
>DMR’s like the Dragunov that birthed the entire concept of a DMR
A concept the Commie Russkis stole from the US, as with every other thing they ever made.
>ex. Buran
What you want is the most advanced design rifle ever, the FAR. All you have to do is design it.
The only thing they have a reputation for is white supremacy.
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The... the Belgians? They make bang bang sticks for all son
True.
That's a good thing
Yes yes, that Brazilian penchant for "white makes right". Right.
You'd be much better off with an m1a if you wanted an accurate .308. Or even an AR10. The lockup on FALs is just inconsistent and groupings can sometimes be unpredictable
I picked up a dsa back when they were under 1k, it's a 2.5moa rifle with good ammo, 4moa with tula. They do have an accuratized version they tried to sell to the government, you can get em for like 5k, imo not worth
Now that is what I expect a battle rifle to be though. It's not a dmr. It shoots out to 500-600 yards, hits a man sized target without care to WHERE it hit and that's it. 2.5 moa for a FAL is impressive however.
Argentina produced the heavy barrel FAL for a good while under the name of FM FAP.
Yeah, FAP.
The original belgian designation was FALO, which interestingly means penis in spanish.
I heard that FM have tons of FALs lying around unused and unissued because their goverment are antigun libtards that pester honest gun owners but do nothing to fight armed criminals.
I think that the G3/CETME C is a much better gun.
Irish fal's used for DMR roles
>designated murder rifle
I can see that.
They all bout the same.