Are the UNSC the most realistic near future space force in fiction?

Are the UNSC the most realistic near future space force in fiction?
>bulk of the navy is made of light frigates built around a monstrous railgun essentially making the fleet mostly comprised of massive guns for the extreme distance space combat would be fought at
>vehicles are mostly light and built less for direct engagement and more for recon and hit and run
>super soldier unit used as a tactical asset, deployed only against the most high value of targets while bulk of the fighting is done by an extensive marine force
>weapons seem like reasonable derivatives of contemporary firearms with mainly quality of life changes (if it ain't broke and I don't see directed energy weapons ever being viable)
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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Bungie made the UNSC use kinetic weaponry because it looks cool and it sets yhe foundation of the UNSC being the underdog in the human covenant war.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Wait till you realize the Covenant (particularly the Elites) are America in practice with a pastiche of America's enemies ideologically, and the UNSC is America's enemies in practice, with a pastiche of modern America.

    Elites are literally American whites
    >Primarily make war through their functionally invincible navy and airforce
    >Engage on ground through a focus on high speed maneuver to force lopsided engagements
    >Inflict hysterical attrition in pointless forever-wars with incoherent goals
    >Their allies are easily defeated cargo cults of them
    >Religion and politics have been infiltrated by outsiders claiming to be sacred to said religion
    >Burdened by the presence of monkey

    The Human covenant war is like some kind of fever dream where Al Quaida and the US Navy team up to fight Klaus Schwab.
    Humanity is the metaphorical insurgents in all of America's forever wars. The Cole protocol is the Hiding in caves, tunnels, the jungle, whathave you.
    The Glassing of planets is these battles where you see US soldiers inflicting 20-1 losses but the war isnt changed in any way.

    There are even Sangheili who "protest" the pointlessness of the war back home.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It’s time to log off

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The covenant are not that, moron. The covenant is bungie's way of making fun of religious fanatics. Halo has lots of inspiration from religion and it also criticizes religion itself. Its a testament to how moronic religious fanatics can be both dangerous and stupid.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Assblasted reddoid.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Making fun of/deconstructing zealotism=/= anti religion. Bungie clearly was poking fun at religious fanatics while also adding some religious imagery to the game itself. Funny how you deflect to gays all of the sudden as if i care about that lol.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Nowhere did he state that he is an atheist, ESL moron.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nowhere did he state a counterargument either, moron. Just homosexual whining.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yes, anon. People making fun of moronic zealots are athiests.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Jesus m8 ive never seen someone so enraged

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Name any country which folows religious law and isn't an absolute shithole: face it thirdie, the west is secular and that's part of why it just can't stop winning.

          I don't get people who are all "muh white western superiority" and simultaneously "lets be more like the middle east and africa".

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Post your gun.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >the Covenant are dangerous and stupid religious fanatics
        So Americans?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          No, its not Americans either. It was made during the builf up of muslim fanaticism, but overall, it was a poke to general zealotism.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Bruh, the Arbiter was originally going to be named the Dervish. Halo is crusades in space.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is what being terminally race-brained does to an mf

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No gun

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      and the prophets are the israelites that lie about everything and use the elites as their attack dogs

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >some kind of fever dream where Al Quaida and the US Navy team up to fight Klaus Schwab.

      10/10 would watch/play

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >railgun
    >not an R-23 autocannon

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    no, Imperial Guard is. 10 billion shitskins and mutants swarming your position

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No, the UNSC fails pretty miserably if we're going by hard scifi standards. I guess their ground forces are passable even though they have a lot of weird anachronisms, but the space combat doesn't make any sense. MACs would be terrible against anything that can course correct, because even the orbital super MACs with a muzzle velocity that's 4% the speed of light would take 32 seconds to travel the distance between the Earth and moon. Consider that radar travels at light speed and that distance is pretty much point blank by space standards. The UNSC is severely lacking in standoff nuclear weapons, which is pretty much a requirement for space combat. They do have them, but it's odd that they don't build their ships around those rather than MACs. Titanium is also a terrible choice of armor against plasma, they should be using a dielectric instead of metal.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >The UNSC is severely lacking in standoff nuclear weapons
      Halo authors are constantly retconning each other. Half the writers insist that Archer missiles are all large nuclear bombs, not "sometimes", but "all of them", so what is "canon" at any given time depends on what book you're reading.

      >Titanium is also a terrible choice of armor against plasma, they should be using a dielectric instead of metal.
      UNSC "Titanium A" doesn't behave even slightly like real world titanium, so we have to take what it does, at face value. If you hold other Sci Fi settings to standards like you're doing they fall to pieces immediately.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >If you hold other Sci Fi settings to standards like you're doing they fall to pieces immediately.
        fair nuff

        Nuclear weapons dont do anything in soace except release a ton of radiation. Explosions require atmosphere.

        >Nuclear weapons dont do anything in soace except release a ton of radiation. Explosions require atmosphere
        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casaba-Howitzer

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nuclear weapons dont do anything in soace except release a ton of radiation. Explosions require atmosphere.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Nuclear weapons dont do anything in soace except release a ton of radiation. Explosions require atmosphere.
        That makes nukes much more dangerous in space. Atmosphere shields target from deadly radiation. In spess 1 Mt warhead has insane 1000km (!) kill radius against humans. Pathetic atmospheric explosion has only 5 km blast kill radius against humans.
        Atmosphere is the shield it turns deadly nuclear effects into fizzle of the blast.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          without an atmosphere, blast waves cant propagate and heat cant conduct
          the damage from the explosion would be almost entirely from the radiant heat
          the lack of any solid objects other than your target means there isnt anything to generate fragmentation

          >radiation
          there is a distinct lack of large infantry formations in space
          all your targets will be hardened, presumably armored, space craft that will already be protected against heat and radiation emanating from the sun to begin with

          a hard-kill would be much harder to inflict because the explosion would need to be much closer to the target

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >imblying you can't harden against blast wave
            Shielding against radiation is much harder than from blast wave.
            There is reason tank killing neutron nukes existed.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Except you can make nuclear shaped charges and EFPs? A casaba howitzer is literally a nuclear plasma beam

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Halopedia says they use these btw

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              https://i.imgur.com/AGshEe3.png

              Halopedia says they use these btw

              casaba howitzers are pure kino

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Titanium is also a terrible choice of armor against plasma
      most of the UNSC doctrine was built to fight insurrectionists, not aliens with plasma weaponry and by the time the war started they were well on the backfoot from the start and couldn't even replenish losses let alone develop new tech to counter the covvies. It was pure luck that the spartans were even developed but on their own they could barely hold off the covvies. You see with the Infinite that they had indeed moved towards using proper energy shielding on their ships

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Just mass manufacture nukes and robots. Really just nuke everything in sight. For some reason nukes are a taboo despite being cheap in such a future.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Space combat doesn’t happen at those distances, it would be more tens, to maybe hundreds of kilometers, not tens to hundreds of thousands of kilometers. KE weapons are perfectly fine.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        one AU is a ridiculous range at which any non-relativistic weapon wouldnt hit in any realistic time frame
        a missile certainly isnt going to cross that distance in a realistic time frame either, theres a hard limit on how fast conventional chemical propellant can accelerate it to

        missiles could exceed linear accelerators if they use some exotic propulsion like ion engines or nuclear engines, the latter of which would be closer to a one-way suicide spaceship rather than a missile in size
        but if using solid-fuel or liquid hydrogen fuel, then theres a good argument for developing linear weapons/railguns/MACs

        Has less to do with the timeframe and more to do with the self-correcting nature of missiles, meaning your only real options to counter them is to intercept them or try to outrun them. Plus missiles already beat KE in speed irl. Consider that railguns cap out at 2.5km/s and Earth's escape velocity is 11.2km/s. Combine that with nuclear shaped charges and I don't see why you'd bother with KE for ship-to-ship combat. Yeah, Halo's super MACs are roughly 12,000km/s, but I don't see that being particularly useful unless the projectile could self-correct. Physics nerds, pls let me know if thrusters could survive that kind of acceleration. Or if that kind of acceleration is even possible with a 1km long coilgun.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      one AU is a ridiculous range at which any non-relativistic weapon wouldnt hit in any realistic time frame
      a missile certainly isnt going to cross that distance in a realistic time frame either, theres a hard limit on how fast conventional chemical propellant can accelerate it to

      missiles could exceed linear accelerators if they use some exotic propulsion like ion engines or nuclear engines, the latter of which would be closer to a one-way suicide spaceship rather than a missile in size
      but if using solid-fuel or liquid hydrogen fuel, then theres a good argument for developing linear weapons/railguns/MACs

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Neither side has lightspeed weaponry and the MACs are the fastest projectiles not counting the covie beams, which seem to be short range.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Missiles don't work well against covenant shields is the reasoning I gathered.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Keyes Loop utilized a nuke to take out a covenant strike force. In fact, other than "super MACs" (which had a massive power requirement and were thus only used on defense platforms) nukes were pretty much the only thing that could punch through Covenant shields.

      By the end of the war, UNSC was using nukes so powerful they could split worlds apart. This is what happened to a Covenant staging world and the entire gathering armada around it when they accidentally set off a nuke (funnily, most of these were elites who were rebelling against the Covenant, but they still wanted to kill humans too for some reason). The weapon was originally intended to make it to the Covenant holy city but was accidentally detonated by an engineer tampering with it. Kind of makes you think... if the Forward Unto Dawn had brought one of these over to Delta Halo, they could've put a stop to both Truth and the Gravemind right there... well at the cost of all our heroes dying too of course.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    While I would generally agree that things stay pretty grounded the scorpion tank baffles me. Every aspect is in direct conflict with traditional tank design and in an actual conflict these things would be worse than useless

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >worse than useless
      It's a magical weightless tank the size of a building with a one man crew, that drives at freeway speeds and has a 500mm barrel labeled "90mm" with armor that just tells the physics of Hypersonic impacts to go frick themselves.

      If it actually functioned, via whatever sorcery, it'd be priceless. I'd say "worth it's weight in gold" but it actually weighs very little.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >open wienerpit
      game balancing mechanic, so you can shoot the driver out

      >one-man crew
      so that the vehicle is useable in deathmatch

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >open wienerpit
        Wasn't even a thing in the earl games, Chief was closing the lid on a coffin style wienerpit when he got in

        >one man crew
        Explicitly noted that only a Spartan can do this since they're jacking the tank into their armor's AI, I believe the normal crew is 3 though where they're intended to sit in the model is fricking anyone's guess.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Everyone in the UNSC has a neural lace not just Spartans you can see Hood and Johnson's in the halo 2 opening cutscene. The nominal crew for a scorpion is two one driver one gunner supposedly seated tandem

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      everythings in Halo is designed around what's cool, not what's realistic. they had some nerd in the studio with bare-minimum comprehension on tanks slap loose characteristics on their magically/magnetically sling-load tank that gets dropped off by their magical VTOL. Same reason they use Real-Frickin-NATO as their standard rifle cartridge.

      Hell I wouldn't be surprised if they picked one of the TWO real Scorpion "tanks" that mounted 90mm guns as the reason for the Halo one having a 90mm

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I feel like there's plenty of stuff that approximates a real Scorpion tank, the biggest difference because the four sets of tracks (half-tracks?)

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >worse than useless
      It's a magical weightless tank the size of a building with a one man crew, that drives at freeway speeds and has a 500mm barrel labeled "90mm" with armor that just tells the physics of Hypersonic impacts to go frick themselves.

      If it actually functioned, via whatever sorcery, it'd be priceless. I'd say "worth it's weight in gold" but it actually weighs very little.

      funny enough the Scorpion was originally meant to be the Heavy Tank and there was a lighter "Stealth Tank", which by comparison looks far more sensible

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        it's so sexy..... idk what those wings on the sides are supposed to be

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I think it was just to make a more conventional turret shade

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    One thing that is hard to deny, is that the UNSC looks cool as frick.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      why did the new Halo show have to be so shit when they had so much successful history to pull from

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        women and minorities

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        343 and

        women and minorities

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I just want Generation Kill in space. Is that really too much to ask?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Because it's not a Halo show. It's some idiots OC Donut Steel story that they had to slap the Halo label on to get it funded.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The writing in Halo games is meant to provide a story for a shooting game and so it has minimal characters, some nebulous plot that justifies a variety of places and guns... you know it gives you all the stuff you need in a game. The actual focus of all the development effort is on the gameplay.

        The TV show, like any other movie or show, needs characters with arcs and actual personalities. You need a plot that makes sense for TV and can't be ignored by having the player go shoot stuff. A character that's just a suit and one-liners isn't a very good character.

        In other words, it's a typical video game adaptation. The people who made it want to exploit the stuff people like about Halo but the best thing about Halo is the gameplay and you can't have that in a show. So you're stuck taking the surface aesthetics (the suit, the guns..) and tacking on some cheap drama shit in order to make content for brain dead consumers.

        They keep making the same mistakes over and over again with every single adaptation.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >story can only be expressed through dialogue
          Halo had a great story and even if you were to make a TV show based solely on the world building, there's still so much to offer there too. Stop justifying bad writing and laziness, because that's all the TV show was.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Halo had a great story
            String together the actual story of Halo and you get a bunch of cutscenes that jump wildly from one place to another. Go there to get the item, now run there to shoot the guy, now go there to activate the thing.... Great for a video game, bad for an actual tv show. It's literally Rise of Skywalker tier writing except shooting games don't really need anymore. Watching the Master Chief is boring. Being him is the fun part.

            >even if you were to make a TV show based solely on the world building, there's still so much to offer there too.
            This is how you get a show like Rings of Power. Just a bunch of references to the thing or person from the world you like with only the most tenuous connection between it all.

            >Stop justifying bad writing and laziness, because that's all the TV show was.
            I'm not justifying it you dumb frick. It is bad and lazy. But Halo doesn't really have much to offer and this is not difficult to see.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              there are books,with lore better than the games, that did all the work for them, you inifitely dumb gorilla Black person.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >video game tie-in book
                Yeah I'm sure it's not total trash you fricking moron.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >This is how you get a show like Rings of Power.
              You don't get Rings of Power without agenda homosexuals, that's a nonstarter.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >String together the actual story of Halo and you get a bunch of cutscenes
              The gameplay between those cutscenes had story too you cum guzzling marketing shill.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >video game tie-in book
              Yeah I'm sure it's not total trash you fricking moron.

              It's blatantly obvious you only have a passing familiarity with Halo (as in you know it's a video game with a character called master chief and that's it), and you're just regurgitating some shit you're half remembering from a gay youtube video essayist.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Halo had a great story
            Halo *would* have had a great story if Microsoft Xbox Division wasn't constantly crunching them into dust to meet completely moronic schedules (something they never learned to stop doing, and now they're in a death spiral because of it).
            I mean I like Joe Staten but he was no Greg Kirkpatrick, and even the good stuff he did manage to get into H2 despite the pressure was almost all thrown out for H3.
            Jason Jones and Joe Staten were basically pushed to their limits and ended up stepping away from the company when it came time to make 3, which meant it was doomed from the start.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              as much as 343 fans cope the art styles and story (both in game and wider lore) was fricking ruined by 343, soulless and made by non halo fans meeting deadlines and profit margins atleast when bungie did this they actually had care for the IP

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                everyone knows 343 is a divisional studio that was handed halo, and they dgaf about halo or know how to competently carry the torch in the first place, only thing they do remotely good is multiplayer, as compared to the original bungie devs that really worked hard to earn their status and make games that really sold consoles and shook the industry. Its as shrimple as that folx

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >care
                Anon says a funny

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >it's a typical video game adaptation
          Correction, it's a generic sci-fi script that had the Halo name welded onto it so it'd actually get a greenlight. The plot had nothing to do with Halo to begin with

          >video game tie-in book
          Yeah I'm sure it's not total trash you fricking moron.

          >Yeah I'm sure it's not total trash you fricking moron.
          Absolutely embarrassing, stop posting

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You may have had a point if they didn't make literal novels about it to draw from. It's just your standard streaming shlock dressed up in space latched onto a franchise name.
          I think other than the new Dune that released, there's nothing Sci-Fi worth watching at the moment.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Seeing those names after reading those novels almost two decades ago really brings back memories.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Honestly, I'd like to see a spin off that focuses on something other than the shooting. ODST was alright, but imagine a horror game where you play some prison transport dude having to survive a flood takeover ala The Mona Lisa. Being big spartan alien destroyer man gets kinda old after a while.
          >So Dead Space?
          Yes.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What about Halo Legends? What about Forward Unto Dawn? Why couldn't a behemoth company throwing millions of dollars per episode make something half as decent as those?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        rumor is it was originally supposed to be a mass effect show that got rebranded late in writing

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Love the Halo:CE marine design.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      shoulders too big, i unironically really like Reach's army

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Halo Reach did have some really cool looking marines. Can't deny that.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It was mostly UNSC Army in Reach. Marines show up at the very end I think

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            you are correct. captain keyes is escorted by unsc marines when noble 6 hands off cortana.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >halo story:
      >the last stand of earth against an inexorable alien tide, set to the backdrop of a bilbical epic where the covenant have been led astray by a false prophet who plans to wait out the flood in the ark, while the halo destroys all life except for the chosen in the ark

      >halo game:
      >marines are all dudebro fratboys who make action movie oneliners and argue about master chief stealing all their kills

      the whiplash between the story being a space opera and the game banter being reminiscient of college dudes playing goldeneye was hilarious
      its a shame they dropped it over time and made the game banter just as melodramatic as the story

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I've always viewed it as marines and soldiers who have already lost everything and are going into battle knowing each time that they're probably not going to survive, but instead of succumbing to fear and depression, they embrace the sacrifice and make the most of it. A sort of Bushido style of overcoming death itself allowing oneself to live free and in the moment. So since they don't really view death as something to be avoided but instead go into it knowing that they're gonna get their tickets punched at some point, they spend every second that they're alive in combat focusing on just fighting and living in the moment rather than being scared. A sort of frick it mentality.

        In that context, the one liners sort of make sense and give a very bleak moment in human history a sort of uplifting vibe. I would also think seeing entire divisions worth of assets and units converging into battle would be a pretty cool sight to see. Especially by the time you get to Halo 3 where the fight is being waged on Earth, you're probably dealing with Marines who have already seen a fair bit of carnage, so you're probably not dealing with new recruits but instead a bunch of hardened veterans; like a whole army of Ernst Jungers at that point.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous
          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            One of the more interesting lore aspects of Halo is the notion of the ghost divisions. Which are effectively units from colonies that have already been wiped out and therefore no longer have a home, but have survived and continue to fight. Bungie always had a tinge of sadness in the games to reflect the bleak realities of the human Covenant war. Would be pretty crazy to be a soldier/marine serving in a ghost division who's home planet has already been glassed. While sadness as an emotion would surely be there, I'm sure you would also have effectively an entire formation of soldiers/marines who would all be willing to go all the way from then on to fight the Covenant.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Spartan 3's are basically that. Orphans who basically have nothing to live for other than revenge.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It makes me wish that 343 had balls and did shit like having humans in the Banished or splinter human/covenant forces becoming space raiders or something. Would be cool to be fighting some Elite just for a bunch of ODST drop pods to land all around you thinking backup just arrived, just to realize that the back up isn't for you.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Nah can't do that and keep that T rating of theirs now

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Halo is one of those weird properties where the games just get more bloodless and the non-game material just gets bloodier.

                I wouldn't count on 343 doing anything right with the setting. Infinite didn't even have marine allies until the final builds when they changed their minds. Like they learned nothing from Halo 5

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Both of those (except UNSC troops turning pirate I think) exist, if only in the background lore.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I think 343's original sin was trying to push the story forward at all. The war lasted 27 years over hundreds of planets, how can that not be fertile material for any kind of spinoff or series you want?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >have established lore for hundred+ years, war itself is decades long
                >all mainline games take place in final 3 months

                343
                >lets advance the story with our dogshit homebrew factions ideas (reskinned covenant) while killing beloved characters and in general gimping the entire series

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >while killing beloved characters
                A beloved character. Bungie did far more killing off because they weren't self-neutering.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Halo 3 was infected by the Firefly Joss Wheadon mind virus and coasted far more than anyone cares to admit on H2's excellence for it's story.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The only major problem I have with H3's story is that they couldn't make up their minds on the Forerunner=Human thing and seemed to have made them two distinct species in the bestarium and terminals, but in-game dialogue and cut content clearly refers to them being ancestors of humanity. Hence GS's "You ARE forerunner" line. Arbiter also was supposed to come across a forerunner grave and when it gets blasted open, he sees a human skeleton inside ... this was part of the script where the Voi portal WAS the ark itself, further driving home the forerunners=human point.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Bungie, Eric Nylund etc. were on the correct page regarding the Forerunners
                Frank O’Connor was doing his moronic fan fiction

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                The arbiter thing is from the halo 2 storyboards, before the game got cut in half. Still, I think its pretty clear in halo 3 humans are meant to be forerunners, otherwise the gravemind's dialog makes no sense, Guilty spark's makes no sense, humans bring able to use forerunner technology makes no sense, the word 'reclaimer' being used at all makes no sense, etc. After all, you cannot 'reclaim' something that was never yours.

                I also remember the terminals directly contradicting other, earlier lore and just generally being poorly written.

                Anyway, making the forerunners a separate species has required some world class mental gymnastics from 343's writers. It's best to mentally separate everything they've written from Bungie's stuff.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >Still, I think its pretty clear in halo 3 humans are meant to be forerunners,

                Anon, it was clear from Halo CE, the problem is Frank O'Connor is a fricking moron.

                the idea that humanity doesn't know how bad they're losing is dumb and moronic given that they lose entire fricking flotillas in normal engagements and entire planets are getting evacuated and going dark

                is that actually canon?

                https://i.imgur.com/uZ6opse.png

                Idk I don't see them mentioned anywhere other than Halo:Reach

                [...]
                Yeah. In Fall of Reach someone mentions that ONI Section 2 (in charge of propaganda) is the only part of the UNSC who is actually doing their job right, because they convinced the public it's still a relatively fair fight..
                In one of the ODST terminals there are civilians who are shocked when the Covenant show up on Earth.

                Yes, it is really dumb I don't know why they went with that.

                Canon kept going back and forth as to how devastating the war was and how aware people at large were about it. Initial Halo 3 material basically said that Earth was the only human planet left and there were only a few hundred million surviving humans, which means 800 worlds got glassed, and it's moronic to think any government could cover that up.

                They switched it up to "All the outer colonies, Reach, and a bunch of other inner colonies got destroyed but the UNSC actually had like 200 worlds left" which kind of undercuts the drama of the battle for Earth, but I guess makes some more sense.

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I have always argued this and will continue to do so.
                343's Forerunners are a bunch of useless frickwits that stain everything they touch with shit.
                Didact in particular was a MASSIVE moron that decided he wanted to delete humanity in typcial forerunner chimpout fashion because "muh mantle belongs to teh fartrunners" even though all the other forerunners are already fricking dead. From galactic suicide.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Love the quake vibes on those little guys

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      looks like fallout end game raider, absolute shit design

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Hell no. Many of their systems are backwards by the standards of the time CE came out, let alone today.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >space force
    >realistic

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I haven't paid too much attention to the other aspects of it, but Halo has some of the most kino military asset names (ships, outposts, hardware etc). I wish real life militaries would adopt those.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Tanks as exposed as that? The two great benefits are neuro-links letting a single person do everything and dropping via pelican. Nearly everything else would be seen as ridiculous by a modern military.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    They still use WW2 era keeps. Remember that.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you have the capability of creating multi-million ton spacecraft that can accelerate out of atmosphere and go FTL, you can do better than 7.62 NATO. Mass producing MJOLNIR should be trivial by their time period.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Sci-fi scale tends to work like that. Numbers are either too big or too small. Almost never just right.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >most realistic near future space force
    >uses long barrel bullpups
    no fricking way would the future planners be that based, do you see what they're doing right now with small arms procurement? ffs...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      maybe things get better down the road, in the meantime we'll just have to cope with 35 year old m4's

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >yeah we had to go to a bullpup just to make the big dick magnum barrel burners we're using to shoot aliens work, practically
      >damn that's crazy what sort of round is that chambered for
      >uhhhhh 7.62 nato

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I still unironically think that ODST's are a good idea that could be a thing today.
    >load up ODST's into rocket
    >send rocket on sub orbital trajectory
    >have pods disperse during the decent
    >have instant brigade size force anywhere in the world with supply drops in a matter of one and a half to two hours
    >saxophone plays in the background

    >captcha: 0dstm

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Only works if the enemy has no AA coverage along the flight path, and then there's no reason to have individual pods instead of a single landing vehicle to avoid your troops from landing with too much dispersion. The Marines were looking at sub orbital transports to enable rapid deployment of an Marine Expeditionary Unit in recent history, IIRC, though I don't know if it's gone anywhere.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Only works if the enemy has no AA coverage along the flight path
        Nothing would be able to intercept the rockets during its ascent and initial decent, too high and too fast. Even after pod separation and deacceleration they would still be travelling at very high velocities and would have plasma build up which would make them invisible to radar. You could also send automated pods down with them that store kill vehicles or some sort of defense system that can intercept anything that does come their way.
        >and then there's no reason to have individual pods instead of a single landing vehicle to avoid your troops from landing with too much dispersion
        Pods would be cheaper and would make it much harder to interdict with any air defense. Even with worst case scenario, you would simply present too many targets for an enemy to shoot, minimizing casualties.

        Unironically given how massive the Space Force budget is, it wouldn't be that unfeasible to have massive fleets of SpaeX tier starships that could do the job sending Marines or Army paratroopers (space troppers?) into the area of operation along with supplies and support.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >would have plasma build up which would make them invisible to radar

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Why do you think NASA tracking and communication goes down during reentry anon?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Why do you think that two way communication is the same thing as detecting things bouncing off the big ball of plasma, even setting aside that you don't need radar to see the giant fricking thermal signature? Do you think meme hypersonic weapons are invisible and stealthy because they too generate plasma sheathes? Are you planning on slamming into the ground at these speeds or do you want your troops to survive the landing and so you'll be forced to brake quite heavily during the final descent which is right when AA would trying to smack you?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          If you accept the idea of functional ICBM interceptors, then you should accept that the delivery vehicles should be much easier to intercept.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      odst's should just have another anime like 86 or iron blooded orphans. halo is just ridiculously expensive to make accurate live action props/costumes/vehicles, so most film attempts are either not very large scale or get repurposed to much lower budget low scale films like District 9.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      essentially a quicker paratrooper force but with many more variables that could potentially go wrong, I mean frick the quintessential ODST game has you trying to find your way back to your team after a drop gone wrong

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How do you stop the trooper from liquifying inside the pod on impact? Landing at any useful speed would be like being in a car crash at best. Maybe some kind of suspension in a non-newtonian fluid?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the safe limit for prolonged acceleration is 3Gs, 6Gs is the fatal limit at which humans will die if kept there too long, though humans can take 10Gs for very short periods of time

        so a drop pod would need to keep its deceleration to abut 30 m/s per second, though the impact with the ground itself can be higher than that limit due to the briefness of impact
        coming at an angle on soft ground could draw out the impact on the ground over time as it digs out a trench instead of slamming into it

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          They may come out alive, but suddenly exerting 10G onto someone isn't exactly a good way to keep them in fighting form. "Alive" should not be the minimum requirement for your fighting force.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nah. Even if you resolve the "how to make them not die on impact" problem, they're still just unsupported elite infantry. Even worse they're unsupported elite infantry that would be extremely visible on their entry point and probably the loudest fricking thing in the country when they land.

      As part of an operation that would require extremely specialized AA to take them down (likely not cost efficient either) probably. But I think you'd still run into the paratrooper problem everyone ran into during WWII.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      fallschirmjägers and VDV are rolling on the seafloor

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Fricking love halo wars2. So goddamn underrated it's a shame.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      unfortunately came out at the tale end of RTS phase and when Halo as a franchise was on the down turn. Shame considering it's probably the best Halo game we've gotten since Reach

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    My favorite part is that there is no Army, just Marine grunts. Marinechads keep winning.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Spartan 3s are Army and so are the troopers in Reach

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        No, all spartans are navy, all ODSTs are marines, and there are even a few regular marines on the last level in Reach. Some people also theorize that the Sabre pilots are air force, but there's no proof of that.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          First Strike and Ghosts of Onyx made it pretty clear that the Spartan 3 program was Army led by the Army Colonel James Ackerson

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Ackerson was army, but he created the Spartan-III program through ONI, and all spartan 3s have navy ranks.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >REMEMBER FAR ISLE
    FRICKING EARTHBlack folk GET THE FRICK OFF MY PLANET

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Frick you covvielover. Bend your ass over and get ready for some UNSC JUSTICE!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Reminder the Elites won the war, and allowed the Humans to keep half of earth as a reservation.

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Xeelee sequence dunks over everything, dont even try it, i don't care about Warhammer, Xeelee sequence humanity would decimate everything in every other scifi universe and they can barely even touch the aliens in theirs, so BTFO

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Actually I...
      >Wrote a bigger number!
      Thrilling.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >t. has zero idea about the amount of work that went into Xeelee Sequence

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >"ORD CASTO!!!! I'M COMING TO KILL YOU! ON YOUR FLOATING CHAIR! IN YOUR DREADNAUGHT!"
    >"In fair combat?" The interviewer meekly asks
    >"NO, IN REAL LIFE! I'M GONNA STALK HIM AND BE OBSSESD WITH HIM, AND WEAR HIS BURGER KING CROWN, AND HIS DRESSES! AND WEAR HIS SKIN LIKE THE OLD ONES DID!!!"

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >only 3% of humanity enlisted, still galactic superpower
    >heavy use of drones, arty, and maneuver warfare
    >posed enough of a threat to the jingoistic alien menace during first contact that the rest of the galaxy decided to step in and sue for peace
    UNSC sucks ass in comparison

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You forgot the most important part, ME is gay as frick

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You literally can bang alien waifus in ME. Meanwhile Master Chief has to get a synthetic handy-j from his suit. Pathetic.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Thank you for reminding me that they fricking ruined Tali, you c**t.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >only 3% of humanity enlisted, still galactic superpower
      humanity is actually just a middleweight in ME
      they are noted for how fast they are rising in comparison to everyone else and how much of the status quo they are upsetting, but it would take several decades further into the future for them to actually match the turians militarily or the asari politically

      they are closer to meiji-era japan, where they got from backwater to major player in an extremely short period of time, and are taken seriously in record time
      they are on the citadel in record time, gaining a seat before any of the other species that had been around for much longer, but still considered a junior member among them
      but they havent actually exceeded, or even matched, the existing powers, they would have needed to maintain their rapid growth for several more decades after mass effect 1 to actually reach what the others reached

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >posed a threat

      LMAO, the First Contaxt war was just against a single Turian group and they damn near exterminated the entire colony. The war finished before the rest of the Turian Fleet was mobilized.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Christ, I hate all of these dogshit franchises that are only popular because kids grew up with it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Halo is older than most of the people who still use this site, are you 65 years old?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >NOOOO YOU CAN ONLY PLAY AND DISCUSS EXTREMELY NICHE HYPER REALISTIC FRANCHISES

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What is some headcanon UNSC lore that you have?
    >UNSC Army is usually the main garrison and defense force on colonies and Marines are the response force after invasion begins
    >A really depressed ONI intelligence officer submits report after report that the public should know how badly humanity is losing so species-wide total war mobilization can occur instead of lying and saying things are under control. His reports are ignored. (I just realized this is basically UNSC Strelkov kek)

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >headcanon
      the Army is canon though isnt it?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Idk I don't see them mentioned anywhere other than Halo:Reach

        the idea that humanity doesn't know how bad they're losing is dumb and moronic given that they lose entire fricking flotillas in normal engagements and entire planets are getting evacuated and going dark

        is that actually canon?

        Yeah. In Fall of Reach someone mentions that ONI Section 2 (in charge of propaganda) is the only part of the UNSC who is actually doing their job right, because they convinced the public it's still a relatively fair fight..
        In one of the ODST terminals there are civilians who are shocked when the Covenant show up on Earth.

        Yes, it is really dumb I don't know why they went with that.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >In one of the ODST terminals there are civilians who are shocked when the Covenant show up on Earth.
          Literally everyone was shocked when the Covenant showed up on Earth, Including the Covenant.
          I don't know what

          >Still, I think its pretty clear in halo 3 humans are meant to be forerunners,

          Anon, it was clear from Halo CE, the problem is Frank O'Connor is a fricking moron.

          [...]
          [...]

          Canon kept going back and forth as to how devastating the war was and how aware people at large were about it. Initial Halo 3 material basically said that Earth was the only human planet left and there were only a few hundred million surviving humans, which means 800 worlds got glassed, and it's moronic to think any government could cover that up.

          They switched it up to "All the outer colonies, Reach, and a bunch of other inner colonies got destroyed but the UNSC actually had like 200 worlds left" which kind of undercuts the drama of the battle for Earth, but I guess makes some more sense.

          is talking about with Earth being the last planet humans own. The Covenant was obviously actively seeking out Earth, but were just scanning worlds for human presence one day, found it, went "oh cool that random one has a bunch, we'll glass that planet next for funsies", and then showed up at humanity's homeworld. ONI never saw it coming, and neither did the ayys.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't know what

            >Still, I think its pretty clear in halo 3 humans are meant to be forerunners,

            Anon, it was clear from Halo CE, the problem is Frank O'Connor is a fricking moron.

            [...]
            [...]

            Canon kept going back and forth as to how devastating the war was and how aware people at large were about it. Initial Halo 3 material basically said that Earth was the only human planet left and there were only a few hundred million surviving humans, which means 800 worlds got glassed, and it's moronic to think any government could cover that up.

            They switched it up to "All the outer colonies, Reach, and a bunch of other inner colonies got destroyed but the UNSC actually had like 200 worlds left" which kind of undercuts the drama of the battle for Earth, but I guess makes some more sense. (You) is talking about with Earth being the last planet humans own.

            It was a line of dialogue in H3 (Hood says Earth is all we have left, which was retconned to him just being hyperbolic) and a few lines in advertisements and the instruction manual about humanity on the brink of extinction. These have mostly been forgotten to time on account of it being minor side materials that are now 17 years old.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      the idea that humanity doesn't know how bad they're losing is dumb and moronic given that they lose entire fricking flotillas in normal engagements and entire planets are getting evacuated and going dark

      is that actually canon?

  25. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    In the days if total war and orbital glassing boots on ground never made sense.

  26. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    posting in a human thread

  27. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Are the UNSC the most realistic near future space force in fiction?

    FRICK NO. UNSC was built to look COOL. Not functional. OP, you're a fricking idiot.

  28. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    40k in you count the Raptors Chapter or Kasrkin seem legit.

  29. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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