Are tanks outdated in present warfare? Tanks are cool, like trains and sailing ships..
Are tanks outdated in present warfare? Tanks are cool, like trains and sailing ships..
Are tanks outdated in present warfare? Tanks are cool, like trains and sailing ships..
They will eventually become outdated but to give an example from the world of naval combat, the last American battleship was decommissioned in 1992.
Things remain useful well after they're no longer cutting edge.
How many times are you going to make the same theread?
>Is X Obsolete? Thread number #3747495949283848493929484848
For as long as the rupees hold out ?
This is the first time I've posted in /k/
Yes, IFVs are the king of ground warfare now
Arma 3 predicts the future again.
"IFVs will replace MBTs" should be an instant, perma-bannable offense
I’m sorry you don’t like reality
He's right actually.
no, it's not even a midwit take, it's a dimwit take.
IFVs are not magically more capable than tanks in contested environments.
Nobody said anything about replacing. IFVs just take a more primary role in combined arms fights than the MBT does now.
You get the same optics, same reach, and nearly the same lethality out of a cheaper machine that can carry troops to the front.
We just saw a Bradley bludgeon a T-90 to death on camera. That was the best tank any of our "peers" in warfare can field. So unless China manages to steal Abrams technical specs and make a 1-1 clone the IFV is the best bang for your buck.
Israel was 20 years ahead of everyone with the Namer and Merkava.
>We just saw a Bradley bludgeon a T-90 to death on camera.
I know you're moronic but to any IFV crew that's a "oh shit TELL MY WIFE AND KIDS I LOVE HER" moment.
Why?
>you're not engaging the tank with TOW
>you're just slapping the front of it with APDS
>it knows where you are
>its friends know where you are
>its friends can see you
>you have about 3 seconds to live
You know that quote that you people love to bring up about not fighting the last war? Yeah. If you try to go up against a trained PLA armored company, or actually any trained armored company, you will get your shit rocked doing this. Tanks are fricking terrifying.
>Tanks are fricking terrifying.
NATO tanks are.
>and nearly the same lethality out of a cheaper machine that can carry troops to the front.
>We just saw a Bradley bludgeon a T-90 to death on camera
all lies
the only trully lethal weapon against mbt is 120mm + canon with apfsds rounds fired from less than 2.5km
>cheaper machine
wrong, new modern 40t+ ifv are almost as expensive as mbt's, british ajax ifv cost 6 milion, t90sm cost 4.5 milion
t90 was taken out of action by 2 bradly, 3 infantry squads and artylery fire,
and the reason why it started to run away is because bradly lucky shot disabled turret ring so it could not move turret
not a single modern ifv on long range (1km+) is a real threat to any modern mbt in the world
>. IFVs just take a more primary role in combined arms fights than the MBT does now.
no they arent
ABCT is still centered around the heavy combat team with 2 tanks and 1 mech infantry in it
they swapped away from the 3:3 ratio in favor of a 5:4 ratio of tanks:mech to maximize offensive potential
>You get the same optics, same reach, and nearly the same lethality out of a cheaper machine that can carry troops to the front.
only the missile launcher has the same reach
but the gun is superior in lethality and can carry 40+ shells to a mere 12 missiles
the infantry exist specifically to protect the tank, not the other way around
>the infantry exist specifically to protect the tank
do you never think if what you say is actually realistic? how would infantry stop an incoming atgm, drone, arty, mine? if anything infantry will slow down the tank so it can get hit more easily.
>do you never think if what you say is actually realistic?
its literally how armored forces are organized
>how would infantry stop an incoming atgm, drone, arty, mine?
infantry dont simply just stand between projectiles and the tank, they will screen far ahead of the tank and spot them for artillery and if need be attack the ATGMs themselves so they are engaged instead of the tank
drones are the priority for brigade level AA or for the airforce to shoot down, but infantry have these things called eyes that allow them to spot drones
>if anything infantry will slow down the tank so it can get hit more easily.
it takes 20 seconds to google IFV and its history, its intended to allow infantry to roll up with the tanks at their pace
>infantry will screen far ahead so they are engaged instead of the tank
>drones are the priority for brigade level AA or for the airforce to shoot down
>infantry have these things called eyes that allow them to spot drones
...i give up
youre in the military, right?
its from an american movie: "wild wild west"
>israel mentioned
your shekels are jingling moishe
Do you need a big platform for a direct fire role?
Probably always yeah.
Will they continue to look exactly as we know them now?
No.
Main battle tanks are antiquated. IFVs coupled with assault guns are the most useful vehicles in modern combat
>pedo shit
>moronic opinion
checks out
have a nice day
its less tanks are obsolete and more poor states just don't have the resources to properly support tanks especially against drones, there is a reason you see so many tanks getting fricked in the war in Ukraine by drones, but see barely any of them getting fricked in Gaza since Israel actually has the resources to give proper support to their tanks
andou ...
>useless Corsican dictionary
>makes the white french mean to the dark one
what did he mean by this?
>Andou didn't like Oshida either
>their animosity was due to completely unrelated reasons
>managed to put it all aside and work together regardless, with their cooperation only (temporarily) falling apart due to a misunderstanding caused by shenanigans from the enemy team
>technically they're all Japanese girls LARPing as other nationalities anyway
>tranime
>pedo shit
>garbage opinion
Kek. Hand in hand. Tanks will never be obsolete.
No, and morons who keep saying shit like that do not understand the role of the tank or warfare in general.
how easy would it be to assassinate a national leader with drones?
serious answers only please.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electronic_countermeasure
as easy as motorboating the big, fat breasts of the beauty in your pic irl
as for OP yes, tanks are going the way of battleships. Too niche as long as they cant reliably survive direct impacts from heavy hitters. its golden days of ww2 are long past
Maybe, but what about guns, are they obsolete? Think about it, I can use a grenade and do much more damage and require less accuracy than a gun. We should just use grenades and grenade launchers for everything.
Tanks will probably need a drone operator inside the tank.
The drone should be able to select a target and the gun itself should be able to automatically aim at the spot the drone selected.
APS should be updated to counter low effort attack such as fpv drones.
the tanks of the future will be terrifying machines
what about mines? they seem to wreck tanks more than anything else in ukraine. how would that future "terrifying" tank manage to not get stopped by a 50 year old mine?
i would suggest a tank with multiple legs like a spider, so when one of its legs gets blown off it still has several spare legs.
Mine clearing vehicles?
And how good would a spider tank even be? If one of its legs got shot off, it wouldnt be able to balance itself and in return it would be harder for the crew to aim, not even mentioning that spider legs are going to be really expensive and complex propulsion systems
>Mine clearing vehicles?
can not work on an active front line and mine rollers have been proven to be useless.
Easiest solution is to up armor the bottom of the tank, mines can only get so big before they are heavy and hard to carry by regular joes.
This wont guarantee the tank is able to roll out of the crater but the crew would survive
>up armor the bottom of the tank, mines can only get so big before they are heavy and hard to carry by regular joes.
>This wont guarantee the tank is able to roll out of the crater but the crew would survive
you would still fail the mission objective = the assault and your crew might have survived the mine blast but now gets artyed, droned, mortared etc. while running away from the smoking remains of your tank.
meanwhile my spider tank would just move on with 7 legs or 6 legs and continue the assault.
This looks like it belongs to a fictional ww1.
...The spider is german?
You're talking as if a singular tank was deployed onto an assault. Artillery won't target 3-4 unarmed infantry and if they did, they wouldnt be able to predict the movements of the crew as they escape. Drones maybe, but shouldnt they prioritize destroying the enemy vehicle before the enemy could recover it?
The spider tank would also stumble around and be ineffective because of my previously mentioned point. Its only a matter of time before your crippled spider tank gets fricked over by some AT squad.
>mines can only get so big before they are heavy and hard to carry by regular joes.
how about double or triple stacking regular AT mines then
>it wouldnt be able to balance itself
you mean it wouldnt be able to handle the recoil of a tank gun? yes, it would need some recoilless weapon system.
>are tanks obs-
no, now frick off
tanks have been outdated since 1918
That Centurion's gun is blocking my wife's thighs.
Someone go tell that midget to move it
she got mogged by Anchovy anyway
Send this guy to the frontline without armored support.