Not for their intended roles. Which was to hunt and kill mobile launchers. To bomb shitskins in the liter box? yeah, which is why they weren't used. Anyone saying different just copes that they can't produce their own.
>Not for their intended roles
their role is to strike high value strategic targets without warning. this is always accomplished after primary detection systems have been disabled by cruise missiles or other stealth attack aircraft.
Their role was to fly over the USSR and hunt mobile launchers, with the USSR still having active SAM systems. Nothing the USSR/Russia nor China has can even detect it.
Israeli F-35s have been bushwhacking past S-400 and Krasukha EW for years. Russia protested up down and backwards but was never able to electronically impede their missions and never fired a single missile.
Vatnik cope is the flavor of the season this Independence Day.
>LOL they can easily detect an F22
They can't even detect the roachdrones which have a much, much bigger RCS. Also, proof?
L band radar plus a $20 DSP renders a 100 billion dollar program obsolete.
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Why haven't they done it in Syria then?
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Because the S-400 can't detect the F-35. The 92N6E “Grave Stone” is an I/J-Band running at 8-20GHz, which the CNT composite RAM of the F-35 absorbs quite well.
>The F-35 also has excellent RAM bonded to the composite panels, making it extremely difficult to detect - if not impossible. >The composite absorbs radar in a frequency range from about 0.10 Megahertz to about 60 Gigahertz. The CNT-infused fiber material forms a first layer that reduces radar reflectance and a second layer that dissipates the energy of the radar. >Radar absorbing composite materials of the present invention are particularly effective, for example, in the L- through K-band as described herein further below.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20100271253
>L band radar plus a $20 DSP renders a 100 billion dollar program obsolete.
Nice head cannon. Now, for the actual proof?
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He's not wrong; L-band radars can pick up that there is /something/ out there. However, the required antenna size prevents it from being mobile, at which point it becomes Tomahawk bait.
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>He's not wrong
Based on what, exactly? >L-band radars can pick up that there is /something/ out there.
Do you have any proof of this? The wave length is 15-30cm, which is much smaller than the body of the B-2. Which in theory would allow it to absorb the waves.
80 500lb JDAMs individually targeted by pinpoint GPS is low? It's not WWII where you need a mile wide bomber formation to destroy one target because of shit accuracy, anymore.
>so a stealth bomber
Yes, one two generations ahead of the F-117. Which means no, not the same.
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oh i didn't know a Model T stopped being a car when a new one is made, what other pearls of wisdom are you sharing next?
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Compared to newer cars, it might as well be. That's like saying a P-51 is the same as an F-15. Your just moronic. It's okay, though.
why does it flying look so fricking alien?
Because it is compared to Russian or Chinese bombers.
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>it might as well be.
good thing you wanting something doesn't change the fact it's still a car, it being more advanced has zero (0) bearing on this conversation
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Your autistic ass who is more concerned with word categories than fundamental differences in performance has zero (0) bearing on this conversation.
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homie i just said that an F-117 is a stealth bomber, and then you go on an autistic fit because AKTUALY IT ISNT BEKAUSE MUH MODLE T
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not that gay but you are autistic 12 year old please leave.
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The entire point of saying that was to show that they technically have the same name but are totally different machines on a practical level.
I'm sorry it rubbed you wrong like a pair of glasses with no foam on the granny strap.
2 years ago
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You may have autism
2 years ago
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good lord you need to get some irl friends
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>it being more advanced has zero (0) bearing on this conversation
How doesn't it? The F-117 not only lacked the RAM of the B-2, it also lacked any EW capabilities and needed to be escorted by Prowlers to jam enemy radars. Furthermore, it used old pop-out Radar Locating System (RLS) sensors to detect enemy radars - which increased its RCS when deployed, leading to only being used in certain areas of a bomb run. The B-2 uses composites more than RAM to control RCS, carries it own EW suite, and a much more sophisticated Radar Warning Receiver (RWR) that uses conformal antennas to detect and jam enemy radar. The F-117 didn't even have a radar, unlike the B-2. Can you explain how it doesn't have any bearing on the conversation - other than you not wanting it to?
Imagine piloting one of these. You never get to drop a bomb, but you train for it and get to fly around in one of the coolest fricking things to come out of Roswell to date. The next best thing to an SR-71. This is the only conceivable reason to join the chair force.
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>Imagine piloting one of these
Would be pretty comfy. Only if we had chosen its little cousin, the YF-23.
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>stop! >my dick can only get so erect
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To get that picture, the B-2 pilot wasn't allowed to tell the YF-23 test pilot when he would land, so they played a guessing game and bent the rules a little to get it. The test pilot also worked on the B-2 program.
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>one of the coolest fricking things to come out of Roswell to date.
Play KSP and experiment with making tailless flying wings. You'll find the B-2's yaw authority is simple physics and it isn't that alien. The flight control computers on the B-2 are beasts made by the finest whyite engineers though. And humans knew about stealthing with carbon paste since the 40's.
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>This is the only conceivable reason to join the chair force.
speak for yourself, i was always utterly captivated by the concept of supersonic bombers. they took the coolest thing ever in the xb-70 and designed it to fly nape of the earth? mach 2 under enemy radar with a nuclear payload?
i'd accept a suicide mission to moscow without a second thought because all the blood would be in my dick at the sheer prospect of taking a b-1 into ussr territory
Dive bombers (ye olde junkers 87) have always been distinct from strategic bombers. Even after multirole and carrier based aircraft made the distinction blurry, the A-10 and other ground attack aircrafts (frogfoot) are strictly not bombers.
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is moving goalposts all you do? i never mentioned any particular plane, only that its stealth and a bomber
Hey, my grandpa helped work on the Nighthawk. Evidently he also refused to take welfare when he fell on hard times despite having paid into it with taxes, and was a bit of a shitbag, but still neat.
Be gentle /k/omrade, autistic people have a very hard time dealing with things that don't fit a black and white characterization. It's not his fault he's mentally defective.
No they're actually underrated. There is a rumor a B2 dropped a single leaflet on Kim's actual IRL door step at exactly the right time that basically just said "frick off" but obviously I can't confirm that
>targeting pods >PGMs of basically any kind that isn't SACLOS or laser guided >PGMs of any kind in any quantity that isn't old soviet stock >optics on rifles >night vision >hell modern rifles >boots >socks >encrypted radios
Apparently all of these things do not work or exist based on your logic.
Imagine how many SDB's you could fit in that thing. >yfw your enemy thinks you're using cluster bombs >yfw it's actually just hundreds of individually targeted PGMs caving the skull in of every Black person there
Sort off. They're not going to overfly a location and drop bombs on it but they can launch saturation attacks with stealthy cruise missiles. By the time the Search Radars spot them it'll be too late to shoot down all the JASSMs.
True, it's either "Stealth is a Meme" or "Stealth is I Win Button". In reality, stealth is like wearing camoflage. It dramatically cuts down on detectability but you can still be seen at close range and it doesn't help if you've got your radar lit.
Difficult to tell until we see a big conflict where they're employed.
Also: while everyone loves to compare stealth aircraft to non-stealth aircraft, in reality the main competitor is "cheap, mass-producable missiles + stealth recon drone" combo. Europeans went with longer range A-A missiles, Russia is spamming cruise/ballistic missiles and is trying to get into the "cheap strike + cheap recon drone" game.
Not for their intended roles. Which was to hunt and kill mobile launchers. To bomb shitskins in the liter box? yeah, which is why they weren't used. Anyone saying different just copes that they can't produce their own.
>Not for their intended roles
their role is to strike high value strategic targets without warning. this is always accomplished after primary detection systems have been disabled by cruise missiles or other stealth attack aircraft.
Their role was to fly over the USSR and hunt mobile launchers, with the USSR still having active SAM systems. Nothing the USSR/Russia nor China has can even detect it.
LOL they can easily detect an F22. Detecting this bloated piece of shit is trivial.
Israeli F-35s have been bushwhacking past S-400 and Krasukha EW for years. Russia protested up down and backwards but was never able to electronically impede their missions and never fired a single missile.
Vatnik cope is the flavor of the season this Independence Day.
NIce headcanon.
L band radar plus a $20 DSP renders a 100 billion dollar program obsolete.
Why haven't they done it in Syria then?
Because the S-400 can't detect the F-35. The 92N6E “Grave Stone” is an I/J-Band running at 8-20GHz, which the CNT composite RAM of the F-35 absorbs quite well.
>The F-35 also has excellent RAM bonded to the composite panels, making it extremely difficult to detect - if not impossible.
>The composite absorbs radar in a frequency range from about 0.10 Megahertz to about 60 Gigahertz. The CNT-infused fiber material forms a first layer that reduces radar reflectance and a second layer that dissipates the energy of the radar.
>Radar absorbing composite materials of the present invention are particularly effective, for example, in the L- through K-band as described herein further below.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20100271253
https://www.ineffableisland.com/2010/06/lockheed-martin-discloses-carbon.html
https://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=197759
https://www.key.aero/forum/modern-military-aviation/136859-advanced-in-ram-make-low-frequency-radar-much-less-effective-in-future
https://theaviationist.com/2020/07/05/new-and-old-f-35-coatings-compared-in-recent-photo-of-two-italian-lightning-ii-jets/
https://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=60&t=53014
>L band radar plus a $20 DSP renders a 100 billion dollar program obsolete.
Nice head cannon. Now, for the actual proof?
He's not wrong; L-band radars can pick up that there is /something/ out there. However, the required antenna size prevents it from being mobile, at which point it becomes Tomahawk bait.
>He's not wrong
Based on what, exactly?
>L-band radars can pick up that there is /something/ out there.
Do you have any proof of this? The wave length is 15-30cm, which is much smaller than the body of the B-2. Which in theory would allow it to absorb the waves.
>LOL they can easily detect an F22
They can't even detect the roachdrones which have a much, much bigger RCS. Also, proof?
why does it flying look so fricking alien?
yes, but only because the volume of fire is too low and you need dozens of them for a real conflict.
also
>subsonic
80 500lb JDAMs individually targeted by pinpoint GPS is low? It's not WWII where you need a mile wide bomber formation to destroy one target because of shit accuracy, anymore.
compared to what?
>are stealth bombers overrated?
only if you're a Serb
that wasnt a B2
still a stealth bomber
it was a stealth attack aircraft
and it carried out, what, 20,000 sorties with 1 shootdown
>it was a stealth attack aircraft
ah you're gonna thecnicalicaly me because it uses F so its not reeeeally a bomber
>It's a stealth bomber like the Model T was a car.
so a stealth bomber
>so a stealth bomber
Yes, one two generations ahead of the F-117. Which means no, not the same.
oh i didn't know a Model T stopped being a car when a new one is made, what other pearls of wisdom are you sharing next?
Compared to newer cars, it might as well be. That's like saying a P-51 is the same as an F-15. Your just moronic. It's okay, though.
Because it is compared to Russian or Chinese bombers.
>it might as well be.
good thing you wanting something doesn't change the fact it's still a car, it being more advanced has zero (0) bearing on this conversation
Your autistic ass who is more concerned with word categories than fundamental differences in performance has zero (0) bearing on this conversation.
homie i just said that an F-117 is a stealth bomber, and then you go on an autistic fit because AKTUALY IT ISNT BEKAUSE MUH MODLE T
not that gay but you are autistic 12 year old please leave.
The entire point of saying that was to show that they technically have the same name but are totally different machines on a practical level.
I'm sorry it rubbed you wrong like a pair of glasses with no foam on the granny strap.
You may have autism
good lord you need to get some irl friends
>it being more advanced has zero (0) bearing on this conversation
How doesn't it? The F-117 not only lacked the RAM of the B-2, it also lacked any EW capabilities and needed to be escorted by Prowlers to jam enemy radars. Furthermore, it used old pop-out Radar Locating System (RLS) sensors to detect enemy radars - which increased its RCS when deployed, leading to only being used in certain areas of a bomb run. The B-2 uses composites more than RAM to control RCS, carries it own EW suite, and a much more sophisticated Radar Warning Receiver (RWR) that uses conformal antennas to detect and jam enemy radar. The F-117 didn't even have a radar, unlike the B-2. Can you explain how it doesn't have any bearing on the conversation - other than you not wanting it to?
https://www.key.aero/forum/modern-military-aviation/145594-f-117-nighthawk-s-flip-down-radar-locators
Imagine piloting one of these. You never get to drop a bomb, but you train for it and get to fly around in one of the coolest fricking things to come out of Roswell to date. The next best thing to an SR-71. This is the only conceivable reason to join the chair force.
>Imagine piloting one of these
Would be pretty comfy. Only if we had chosen its little cousin, the YF-23.
>stop!
>my dick can only get so erect
To get that picture, the B-2 pilot wasn't allowed to tell the YF-23 test pilot when he would land, so they played a guessing game and bent the rules a little to get it. The test pilot also worked on the B-2 program.
>one of the coolest fricking things to come out of Roswell to date.
Play KSP and experiment with making tailless flying wings. You'll find the B-2's yaw authority is simple physics and it isn't that alien. The flight control computers on the B-2 are beasts made by the finest whyite engineers though. And humans knew about stealthing with carbon paste since the 40's.
>This is the only conceivable reason to join the chair force.
speak for yourself, i was always utterly captivated by the concept of supersonic bombers. they took the coolest thing ever in the xb-70 and designed it to fly nape of the earth? mach 2 under enemy radar with a nuclear payload?
i'd accept a suicide mission to moscow without a second thought because all the blood would be in my dick at the sheer prospect of taking a b-1 into ussr territory
Dive bombers (ye olde junkers 87) have always been distinct from strategic bombers. Even after multirole and carrier based aircraft made the distinction blurry, the A-10 and other ground attack aircrafts (frogfoot) are strictly not bombers.
is moving goalposts all you do? i never mentioned any particular plane, only that its stealth and a bomber
can you serb subhumans ever shut up
The most primitive stealth bomber, designed before we even got into computer RCS modeling with literally the worst RAM ever.
It's a stealth bomber like the Model T was a car.
Hey, my grandpa helped work on the Nighthawk. Evidently he also refused to take welfare when he fell on hard times despite having paid into it with taxes, and was a bit of a shitbag, but still neat.
That's like saying a Model T is the same as a Ford GT.
That’s like saying a model T is equivalent to a mustang. have a nice day.
>thats like saying FORD BRAND MODEL T is a literally horse less carriage when we there have been LUNAR ROVERS on the MOON
Be gentle /k/omrade, autistic people have a very hard time dealing with things that don't fit a black and white characterization. It's not his fault he's mentally defective.
No they're actually underrated. There is a rumor a B2 dropped a single leaflet on Kim's actual IRL door step at exactly the right time that basically just said "frick off" but obviously I can't confirm that
If they worked, Russia would field them already.
Russia doesn't field optics
Russia doesn’t even field socks.
You get the worst of both worlds; they've tried, are still trying, and can't even crack F-117s stealth performance.
>if they had a single working stealth plane, Russia would field them already
>targeting pods
>PGMs of basically any kind that isn't SACLOS or laser guided
>PGMs of any kind in any quantity that isn't old soviet stock
>optics on rifles
>night vision
>hell modern rifles
>boots
>socks
>encrypted radios
Apparently all of these things do not work or exist based on your logic.
Imagine how many SDB's you could fit in that thing.
>yfw your enemy thinks you're using cluster bombs
>yfw it's actually just hundreds of individually targeted PGMs caving the skull in of every Black person there
Around 192
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/sdb.htm
Given both the U.S. and China are developing new ones, I'm gonna say no.
Sort off. They're not going to overfly a location and drop bombs on it but they can launch saturation attacks with stealthy cruise missiles. By the time the Search Radars spot them it'll be too late to shoot down all the JASSMs.
If anything, it is overrated because most morons talking about military tech in public see stealth as magic.
True, it's either "Stealth is a Meme" or "Stealth is I Win Button". In reality, stealth is like wearing camoflage. It dramatically cuts down on detectability but you can still be seen at close range and it doesn't help if you've got your radar lit.
>it doesn't help if you've got your radar lit
>what are lpi radars
Difficult to tell until we see a big conflict where they're employed.
Also: while everyone loves to compare stealth aircraft to non-stealth aircraft, in reality the main competitor is "cheap, mass-producable missiles + stealth recon drone" combo. Europeans went with longer range A-A missiles, Russia is spamming cruise/ballistic missiles and is trying to get into the "cheap strike + cheap recon drone" game.
I want to frick the B-2