Statistically, any situation where a gun is used in self-defense, 97% of those situations end with 4 or less shots fired. 99% of those situations end without any need for reloading the weapon (regardless of weapon type).
That means revolver is just fine. M1911 is just fine. If you run into a situation which you can not solve with 6 rounds fired, the chances are it's a situation you won't be solving anyways even if you had more ammo.
Are you a law enforcement officer or a soldier? Someone who might have to use his gun as part of doing your job? No? The revolver is fine for you. Do not give into your fantasy of "lone gun-fighter against the odds" fantasy. Your first priority is to get the hell out of dodge, not to start living your power fantasies.
And who would the cops be firing their autoloaders at? The same criminals trying to mug you. Not carrying your antiquated piece of shit when I can have more than double the capacity, actual (night) sights, and the ability to mount optics and lights in the same form factor and price range.
>has to carry/transition between two guns and still has less rounds than a singular P365
Lmao, cope a little harder.
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contend the probability you will ever need more than 5-6 rounds to resolve a DGU is lower than the probability your auto will jam on the worst day of your life. You do you though.
The likelihood of me not killing or incapacitating a person with 8 rounds is substantially lower then your wonder9 jamming not completely due in part to me actually practicing and taking defensive courses unlike you mall ninja
This. How many of these capacity gays are running malf remediation drills at least a couple times a week. I'd bet very fricking few. They want to buy shit for a low probability event but they won't practice for a low probability event. You can't buy competence.
>The same criminals trying to mug you
Not necessarily. There's a good argument to be made that gang bangers (of the kind usually killed in police shootings) aren't really crazy about mugging. It's a lot of risk for usually not that much reward. Muggers are usually junkies, and bangers usually aren't junkies. They kill each other over turf ergo drug money and probably are more likely to shoot at the cops because they have more to lose. I get the narrative that all criminals are stupid and unpredictable, but overall people's behavior trends towards predictability. A junkie is less likely to get shot by the cops because he has less to lose in being apprehended. A gang banger is more likely to get shot by the cops because he's more likely to have a decades-long sentence. It makes good sense to me that, overall, the kind of person likely to be shot and killed by the cops is less likely to be shot by a genuine civilian just because there's less of an opportunity for them to ever interact.
I’d take a look at the Police Activity channel. A pretty sizable amount of the OIS are a result of armed robbery, carjacking, and other violent crime on civilians. I just used “mug” as a catch all term, and it sounds like you’re thinking about this too deep. Doesn’t matter if it’s a junkie or gang banger when you need to use your gun, a threat is a threat, and I want the option that gives me the best chance to win. Same reason I use an AR for home defense.
Civilians don’t have to pursue and arrest people. Normally when a gun fight starts the criminals are trying to get away, unless they’re already trapped.
As a civilian if the criminals run away, you’ve already won.
That rounds used sat is fricky, of the dozen or so accounts I've heard first hand about defensive shootings the threat is stopped via a single shot, or the mag gets emptied I have not heard of anything else
What a meme post. Justifying a revolver based on how it's "not that bad" instead of why it's good. Fact of the matter is you don't know how many rounds you're gonna need to protect yourself, your family or your neighbor. Nobody really knows what any of those statistics really mean or what would've turned the tides. The man of the household is the de-facto guardian of his family and he must be prepared to stop a threat at any time. If that means he needs a high capacity, high powered semiautomatic, then so be it. If that means he needs a hammerless snubby hidden inside his coat pocket, then so be it.
>Fact of the matter is you don't know how many rounds you're gonna need to protect yourself
No we actually have a pretty good idea thanks to decades of anecdotal evidence. For the vast majority of cases it's less than 6 rounds. First person to get a solid hit in a gunfight is usually the winner. Therefore I choose to maximize the chances that my first 6 shots in a gunfight are going to go bang no matter what. Some people would rather risk a malfunction in those first 6 rounds to gain the ammunition capacity of an autoloader in case they ever face the lower probability of needing more than 6 rounds. To each their own.
anyone that talks about statistics when talking about round counts used in swlf defense and justifying using an inferior tool that carries less ammunition deserves to die when they become the statistic that ran out of ammo and needed more
giving out bad advice to people that can get them killed should honestly just land you in jail
you want MORE than you would need, not the bare minimum of the "average"
>yea that long road in the middle of the desert? you only need x gallons of fuel to cross it so ONLY fill up to that much >what happens when something unexpected occurs and you need more? >LOL frick if i know
you do know what an "average" means right?
it means 50% of incidents used more than that
fifty
percent
half
a coin flip
you gonna trust your life to a coin flip?
>justifying using an inferior tool that carries less ammunition >but has less probability of jamming
They always leave out the upside when they mention the downside. You ever notice that? Round and round we go. Nothing is perfect you fricks. Evaluate your situation and choose for yourself but don't act like your choice is the best choice for everyone or that your choice doesn't come with some serious drawbacks.
Also see:
https://i.imgur.com/bk0PiaY.jpg
>when one officer is shooting an average of 3.59 rounds are fired and 51% of rounds fired hit the target >when two officers are shooting an average of 4.98 total rounds are fired and 23% of rounds fired hit the target >when three or more officers are shooting an average 6.48 total rounds are fired and 9% of rounds fired hit the target
https://www.policeone.com/officer-shootings/articles/117909-Study-reveals-important-truths-hidden-in-the-details-of-officer-involved-shootings/
Revolver always goes bang, and never drops casings. Makes a good backup holdout weapon in close range also, if you dont prefer pocket blowback pistols. also fudd shit. and they are generally awesome
Revolvers do malfunction albeit rarely and when they do it's catastrophic. A well maintained semi auto is just fine, and only a dirty monkey would consider keeping brass as a huge upside unless you mean for reloading it for range ammo
https://i.imgur.com/8GTJMVE.jpg
They are still guns at the very least, but semi autos have come too far and there is no realistic scenario that they lose out to a revolver, fun range toys that look cool and feel cowboyish but much less efficient weapons compared to what we have now
This fricking moron take again. Revolvers are immune to ammo related malfunctions, which are the most common type of malfunction in an auto. If a so called “catastrophic” revolver failure happened to the timing/broken part/etc, that would be an equally catastrophic failure in an auto.
So to break it down further- ammo related failure in a revolver: pull trigger again
Ammo related failure in an auto: tap rack bang
Catastrophic failure in revolver: no bang at all
Catastrophic failure in auto: no bang at all.
The one revolver specific failure I will give you is crimp jump which is very easy to avoid.
We're at the point now where as long as you're not buying garbage you're just as likely to have a bullet jam your gun as you are a catastrophic failure.
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I own a couple of Taurus revolvers which some consider garbage(they're not btw). I've got a little over 4K through two of them and have had zero malfunctions. I got them right before the panic wiped out everyfrickingthing in early 2020 so round counts should be way higher but primer shortage last few years fricked me pretty hard since I only shoot handloads in my revolvers. Availability is pretty good right now(prices not so much but whatever) so I'm looking forward to my first normal shooting season in 3 years. Of course I'm sure WWIII or something will frick that up though. We'll see lol.
Nice Ive been ingesting 22lr since I was a child so I could start on .380 as a teen. Now as a grown adult I can take my one a day 9mm
Civilians don’t have to pursue and arrest people. Normally when a gun fight starts the criminals are trying to get away, unless they’re already trapped.
As a civilian if the criminals run away, you’ve already won.
Pocket revolvers are still very relevant because pocket autos are blowback pieces of shit and print much worse than a j frame or similar sized revolver. They really aren't relevant for duty guns. Big ones are good for woods guns though.
People will continue to buy revolvers because they are cool and American culture reveres them, much like the samurai sword is inferior to European swords, but people still like them because they're cool and Japanese culture reveres them.
>Heavy
Depends. Aluminum snubs are not heavy at all. Full sized steel revolvers obviously are. >bad triggers
Depends. If you think any double action trigger is bad, then skill issue. Most triggers from reputable companies get really smooth if you break them in with dry fire. >awkward to carry
Literally how? >low capacity
Of course >less durable
Are you one of the people mad that you damage the gun by whipping the cylinder closed?
Criticisms you missed: >Usually bad sights >Awkward reloads >New ones tend to be made worse than old ones
The best gun to get is the one you like the best. This is the truth that is for some reason hard for many people to accept.
Guns are like cars. There are different uses for different people, different design philosophies and niche groups. What it the best gun of one person can be horrible abomination to another. What matters is your own needs, desires and expectations and what you are comfortable with.
Go to a gun range, loan a load of different kinds of revolvers and try them all out. Then pick the one you liked the best. The one that fits your hand the best, the one with most acceptable recoil to you, the nicest trigger... the one that you thought was most fun to shoot.
Pick the one you like the best and suits your needs.
Because if you ask other people what is the best gun, they will invariably tell you what it the best gun FOR THEM, not necessarely for you. Again, it's kinda like asking what car is the best. You answer will depend of whom you are asking it from. Audi fanboys will say it's Audi. Mercedes fans will tell you it's mercedes. Ford Mustang guys will have only one answer for you. But ultimately, the best car is the one you yourself like the best.
4-6 inch .357 from a good brand. Can be single action or double action. S&W 19/66/586/686 is a good choice. Ruger GP100 or Security Six is a good choice. Uberti Cattleman / Ruger Vaquero / Ruger Blackhawk / (insert decent single action brand here) is a good choice. Colt Python or Trooper is a good choice.
An above average revolver these days costs more than some of the best pistols on the market. On that fact alone, I'd say no. But they still kill stuff and shoot good if that's what you're asking.
yeah and the barely hidden "let's stir shit up by pitting autos against revolvers" intent in these from the same 2-3 posters who make them that are so identifiable by their point-by-point posts they make every time that they might as well be tripgays makes it all basically a cancerous general. so why not cut out the middle man already?
I recommend them to friends and family that want something that they can just stick in a drawer or glove compartment for fifteen years and never touch. You can’t limp wrist a revolver, and the way to remedy a FTF is to pull the trigger again, which is a natural reaction under stress.
Considering .38 is wimpier than 9mm, I’d say yes to some extent. Imagine a revolvergay with a J-frame getting torn to shreds by a giga-homie because he ran out of ammo and didn’t score a CNS hit. Would be quite funny.
.38 with proper bullet/load will go clean through a human torso. You can't ask for more than that in the handgun realm. It's your job to put them where they will break something that leads to rapid incapacitation.
unless that giga homie has 20 inches of fat which would act as a natural armor five shots(j frame) of .38 (provided all hit) would be enough to incapitate, imo.
I am not saying revos are the best option but they are not the worst either. They are just fine.
Multiple instances of joggers taking numerous torso hits and still fighting, from .38 to .45 ACP. Capacity is king as long as said round is able to put a hole through a person was my point.
>revolvers naturally point better
Literally entirely subjective you fricking moron. You probably just grew up with them.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Post guns.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I’ve never posted them on the internet and I’m not about to for some salty revolvergay, just know I don’t own any revolvers. Probably will in the future for a range toy, but never for actual carry.
3 months ago
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Thats what I thought
3 months ago
Anonymous
You dont own guns.
Still not posting them but you can have a couple of random mags I had laying around
3 months ago
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>Practically unused mags
Why are you here talking about guns you clearly dont shoot.
3 months ago
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Right one is brand new and middle is from a M17 I got 30% off I’m scared to shoot/carry. Also haven’t been shooting much since COVID when the prices spiked.
3 months ago
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Anon Ive shot like 3k rounds of 9mm and 1000 rounds of .357 since covid, you dont know what you're talking about when it comes to shooting guns and it shows.
3 months ago
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Are you the guy who got sand in your pussy because I said saying revolvers point better is entirely subjective?
3 months ago
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Are you the anon who doesnt shoot at all and thinks he can talk about shooting guns?
3 months ago
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I could take this argument to someone who’s never even shot a gun and they could tell you it’s subjective you fricking moron. It’s literally Chevy vs Ford, some guys shoot better with autoloaders, some with revolvers. Again, you probably grew up with revolvers and that’s what you’re comfortable with, many people grew up shooting autoloaders, and that’s what they’re comfortable with. It’s really not that hard to understand.
3 months ago
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>I dont shoot guns or even own a revolver but let me tell you how it feels to shoot revolvers
Dunning Kruger in full effect here
3 months ago
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Sad. Many such cases.
3 months ago
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But anon he's right >t. owns multiples of both
3 months ago
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If you owned both youd understand thst grip geomoetry matters for point shooting and a revolver handle is easier to point than a block.
3 months ago
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No not really, you're probably just used to revolvers more
3 months ago
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That lever is fricking beautiful. Wut caliber?
3 months ago
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It's a Miroku so it better be. Chambered in .357.
3 months ago
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fanboying needs to be avoided so you don't post embarrassing shit like this
3 months ago
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You do realize that different guns have different grip geometries even within the same type? Only someone who has never handled either would post something this stupid.
3 months ago
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jesus my trigger finger just sucked back up into my body looking at that image...not even once...
3 months ago
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The only real threat is to your thumb if you don't pay attention and use a thumbs-forward grip. If you're used to revolvers it's a non-issue.
3 months ago
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3 months ago
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That's really gnarly that it wasn't even overpressure.
The frame just failed completely.
3 months ago
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The gun is a giant piece of shit that only sells because of the spacegun aesthetic.
3 months ago
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I mean look at this shit.
3 months ago
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3 months ago
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True beef has a name.
3 months ago
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3 months ago
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>top strap still attached despite an 80,000psi+ kaboom
I'm talking about the lockwork anyway, but if you want to talk proofing numbers we can.
3 months ago
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That one was overpressure.
Breaking: squibs explode guns. More at 11.
May have just been rapid development of endshake causing B/C misalignment. Doesn't take long to weaken the area around the barrel shank then.
If the original post was around we may diagnose a squib, but even an underloaded cartridge would get a bullet out of a 2". Unless it had no powder.
3 months ago
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>Torn up steel and shattered wood
The FRICK did you do to that thing?
3 months ago
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The frame is aluminum, so it aftermath makes sense. That one got got by Bubba's custom reloading recipe.
3 months ago
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>The frame is aluminum
Stainless steel all of it before I'd consider buying one. Some of you can hate Smiths all you want, but if loaded with the correct pressure, Smith and Wessons have yet to frick up on me.
3 months ago
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Breaking: squibs explode guns. More at 11.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Any gun can blow up anon. The question is how is the gun going to blow up due to how it's designed and which would you rather endure?
3 months ago
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Damn, I always thought one of these would be cool but that looks fricking wild.
3 months ago
Anonymous
God damn the revolver homosexualy on /k/ is just getting depressing
3 months ago
Anonymous
>>guys if we talk about anything other than big black glocks I just don’t think I can take it, if you don’t stop I’ll give you such a pinch.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>damn guys I said something objectively moronic and now I'm being laughed at, clearly these haters just want to talk about glawks
have a nice day moron
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Nuh uh you're dumb because I said so
Revolvers naturally point netter, anyone who owns both can attest that a revolver handle is more ergonomic that most double stack 9mms on the market.
3 months ago
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both are made for human hands and feel fine you sperging homosexual
3 months ago
Anonymous
.t hasnt shot a gun in years and owns no revolvers
3 months ago
Anonymous
post your pointshoot groups. post your guns.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You already said you havent shot in years lnao.
3 months ago
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post your pointshoot groups. post your guns.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Post your unused mags again lmao
3 months ago
Anonymous
what the frick are you talking about, noguns?
3 months ago
Anonymous
Last person who seethed like this refused to post guns and admitted they havent shot a revolver nor own one and havent trained since 2020 began.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Anon pls
https://i.imgur.com/PBzckbX.jpg
No not really, you're probably just used to revolvers more
3 months ago
Anonymous
You having a single shitty .22 that doesn't look used doesn't mean you know anything about revolvers
3 months ago
Anonymous
Interesting, I've yet to see a .22 with a .45 bore.
Anon I shot 4000+ rounds of 9mm before I ever handled a revolver, revolvers point better.
Cool, that's your experience. I point better with my Glock than any of my revolvers. Amazing how subjective handguns are from person to person. Also, ever held a Luger? It'll change your life
3 months ago
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>Block fits his hand better than a revolver
I didnt know we had lego people posting
3 months ago
Anonymous
Anon they're all meant to fit within a human hand. You focus on one you like, you're going to git gud with it. Me picking up a revolver for the first time after a decade of frequent practice with a Glock is not going to result in me getting better results with the revolver. You're being silly.
3 months ago
Anonymous
This entire post is silly, I cant even tell what your point is, what you're better with the gun you shot way more? Okay cool Im better with guns I shoot more too, thats not the point of this conversation.
3 months ago
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Anon I shot 4000+ rounds of 9mm before I ever handled a revolver, revolvers point better.
3 months ago
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nta but you genuinely need to learn what subjectivity is
3 months ago
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>Lower bore axis and thinner rounder grips is subjective
Anon you need to learn the definition of subjective
3 months ago
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There you go again, acting like all geometries are the same within pistol types because you're a noguns.
3 months ago
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You really are so dumb I have to clarify "on average"? NAXALT me again you dumby I dare you.
3 months ago
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I'm going to be clear, you do not own guns. Only someone who has never handled them would say something as stupidly broad yet absolutist in regards to handgun handling. A revolver just being a revolver =/= it will always point easier than every autoloader. For that matter it's almost entirely user dependent. Get over it.
3 months ago
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not all revolvers have lower bore axis and grips vary wildly. yes you need to learn subjectivity.
3 months ago
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>Not all X are like that!
Yes anon we know. Thanks for wasting everyones time with a worthless post.
3 months ago
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He needs to learn that experience and preference trump just about everything else. It's silly to pretend that no matter the person or their experience, they're always going to point better with any revolver vs. any semi auto pistol.
This entire post is silly, I cant even tell what your point is, what you're better with the gun you shot way more? Okay cool Im better with guns I shoot more too, thats not the point of this conversation.
Anon, the silly train is continuing down your track. You said revolvers point better. I said this is subjective, you'll point better with the gun you know best. Do you get the point of the point about pointing, silly?
3 months ago
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I’ve shot them, I prefer semi auto. It feels better to me. Are you arguing that once you shoot a revolver something snaps in your brain that automatically makes it feel/point better than an autoloader you’ve spent years familiarizing yourself with? Are you actually that delusional about this shit?
3 months ago
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Not him, but I didn't shoot any handguns at all until I was 21 and bought a handgun, and my first was a Shield 9mm. Second was an aluminum j frame. Third was a steel frame 9mm. Fourth was a Model 10. I have been hooked on revolvers since the model 10. I just like the ergos better. I own and shoot competitively steel, aluminum, and polymer framed pistols and I own revolvers and I like the revolvers much more. I shoot my P01 at competition, but I EDC either a j frame or a k frame.
3 months ago
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>first was a Shield 9mm. Second was an aluminum j frame. Third was a steel frame 9mm. Fourth was a Model 10.
lol you went completely ass backward to how you should have gone.
3 months ago
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I got CC guns first. Once I had those, I got the fun ones.
3 months ago
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I meant reverse order for actually learning to shoot properly. Small guns are pros guns. It's your Father's fault you got the shitty start you did anon. I'm sure you did the best with what you had to work with.
3 months ago
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That's true. Love my dad, but for some weird reason he hates handguns. He wouldn't even humor me and shoot my Uberti SAA and I figured he would like it because he loved old westerns. Shot plenty of .22 lr and birdshot as a kid though.
3 months ago
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Can’t speak for your dad but alotta older dudes didn’t grow up with handguns, and though people owned them, they really started becoming way more popular with general public after desegregation in the U.S.
3 months ago
Anonymous
are those winchester ranger one hollows in the right mag?
Capacity means you have a better chance of stopping the threat if your accuracy is poor. Going from gun to no gun is much worse than going from gun to more bullets.
3 months ago
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>Capacity means you have a better chance of stopping the threat if your accuracy is poor.
At least one of you gays is honest but if you don't train enough and your accuracy is poor as a result then you're certainly not training enough to be competent at malfunction remediation so it's still a net negative to carry an auto.
.38 with proper bullet/load will go clean through a human torso. You can't ask for more than that in the handgun realm. It's your job to put them where they will break something that leads to rapid incapacitation.
unless that giga homie has 20 inches of fat which would act as a natural armor five shots(j frame) of .38 (provided all hit) would be enough to incapitate, imo.
I am not saying revos are the best option but they are not the worst either. They are just fine.
Let's stop using that fanciful imagination for a moment and look at what actually happens.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_New_York_City_Subway_shooting
Goetz didn't even have real training, he got the gun not long before the shooting occurred.
Darren Wilson and the ZimZam would have been better served with a 5 shot jframe.
Trayboon had his paws all over the gun when they were fighting over it and zimzam barely got off a shot because the slide kept getting pushed out of battery. Face Down Michael Brown was wrestling with Wilson through the squad car window over his p229.
>Wilson drew his weapon and told Brown to stop or he was going to shoot him. Brown replied, “You are too much of a pussy to shoot,” grabbed Wilson’s gun, and pointed it at Wilson’s left hip. Wilson could feel Browns fingers working to get into the trigger guard. Fearing he was about to be shot by his own gun, Wilson struggled to point the gun away from his hip toward the driver’s door, at which point he pulled the trigger. Click. He pulled it again. Click. The gun wouldn’t fire.
>Officer Wilson pulled the trigger a third time and the gun went off, firing a round through Brown’s right thumb and into the driver’s door. The shot startled Brown, backing him up off the vehicle. Wilson stated Brown became enraged and “looked like a demon” in response. Brown then leaned back into the vehicle to assault Wilson again. At this point, Wilson tried to fire another round to no avail. Malfunction number two.
Pretty sure there was an Active Self Protection video of these two ladies fighting off some armed robber in a convenience store, and they shot him with all 5 shots of .38 and then basically had to fight him for a minute or two. I may be misremembering I can’t find the video.
Wow a steel framed revolver that weighs twice as much as an aluminum or polymer handgun that you’re most likely running .38s through doesn’t have that much recoil, impressive!
But anon you just assumed it was .38, now .357 is easy to handle because I called you out?
Revolvergays are the types of guys to lie over the internet to make their obsolete autistic obsession look better. Also, >probably
In original post. You’re still shooting a gun twice as heavy for probably ~50% more energy than 9mm. The recoil out of a micro-9 with proper carry ammo is harder to handle than a steel .357.
P365 is around 22 oz loaded. Typical 2-3” steel revolver is ~40oz I’m assuming? Hornady Critical Duty 135 gr +P for the 9mm load.
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>40oz
Anon, it's a 27oz gun. The load I was using produces around 21ft/lbs of recoil.
The P365, when unloaded, using Hornady's 135gr +P that I had to search around for chronograph data from a 3" barrel, the average velocity was 1018fps. It produced around 18.5ft/lbs.
Is having this thread literally every day and pretending it isn't supposed to be same moronic auto vs. wheelgun shitflinging from the same posters really necessary?
We're refining our rhetoric to a razor's edge in here gay. Some normie on the street trying the usual arguments would get obliterated by a /k/ revolver thread regular.
Fundamentally yes. A revolver only has 6 shots but you only need to land 1 shot to kill someone. The grip also doesn't need to fit a magazine inside so it's design is pure comfort and aesthetics.
Outside of range fun and handgun hunting? Probably not. I mean if it's all you have for self defense then yeah it's still a gun but there is zero use for single action on a fighting revolver.
Great to use. I have a couple of semi autos, and they just collect dust. I am always shooting my S&W. It's just such a pleasing piece of equipment. I also fuss more about my revolver... try to keep it really in top shape (trigger jobs, cleaning, etc.) and I've come to believe that I am a wheel man! I'll probably use it for woods carry and home defense in the long run.
I can't believe anyone looked at the 44 Mag and said "that's not enough."
Motherfricker these loads still produce 30ft/lbs of energy in a 3.8lbs gun. They touch mid 454 velocity/energy, what animal do you think it won't kill?
>what animal do you think it won't kill?
Truckasaurus
Claw, King of the Bears
Mammothman
Aggressive whales
That wolf god from Princess Mononoke
The list goes on.
If you want to prance around the wilderness severely under-armed for any legendary beast (or normal whale) you may encounter, weh-eh-ellll don't let one guy on the internet with 60 years of experience in wilderness gunfighting stop you.
Sasquatch will shrug off your puny .44 magnum and will have his way with your butt. Gotta carry .454 to even stand a chance of maintaining your anal virginity.
It was never a question of “is this enough?” It’s always been, “how far can we go?”
Got my 500 mag bfr coming next week. Hopefully sending it out for full bushwacker here in a couple of months.
My 44 mag is a Super Blackhawk with those goofy looking Hogue rubber monogrips. I shot my buddy's 629 44 snubby and couldn't hit the target with a full cylinder.
I hunt rabbits with 38 special wadcutters, and deer with a 44 mag. I had to put a doe out of her misery with my 38 after a car busted her legs, and since this was in an area that has seasonal shooting bans I didn't want to leave a casing on the ground, For self defense I'll stick to an auto.
1) leo/mil adoption makes people not in leo/mil think that's what they need even though the use cases are 100% unrelated in any way
2)leo/mil adoption means they are cheaper due to economies of scale
3)leo/mil adoption means marketing for gun companies to push products tthey want civvies to subsidze the development for in hopes they can land leo/mil contracts
4)leo/mil adoption means most trainers come from that background teach what they were taught which mostly has frick all to do with civvie self defense
It's a synergistic circle jerk of autohomosexualry. You have to be aneurotypical to see through all the bullshit to the objective reality that the normie mainstream is full of shit. Kind of like everything else in clown world.
Are you starting to understand the who!e point of these threads is for shitposting? Also >162 posts >59 posters
Literally the new "forward assists cause jams" b8 thread
1) cheap
2) lower training cost(DAO is harder to master)
What you can't seem to wrap your head around is that trading reliability for capacity is a good trade off for leo/mil because their use cases involve offensive use of a handgun. They have to press a fight where a civvie can just break contact. Also they generally have mutual support so if they have a failure there is somone else to pick up the slack where a civvie is alone and fricked if their gun doesn't work. In the case of Mil use handguns are almost irrelevant outside of MP use, narrow SOF use cases and brass trying to look tough.
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>1) cheap
Revolvers are of similar cost if not cheaper in a lot of cases
2) lower training cost(DAO is harder to master)
Training to clear jams is cheaper?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Revolvers are of similar cost if not cheaper in a lot of cases
Now you're just fricking trolling.
>Training to clear jams is cheaper?
yeah because they give a 5 second malf clearance drill instruction and then who gives a frick if the moron cop or pvt laquisha actually practices it.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Do you have any hard data to back this up or is it raw speculation you pulled out of your ass
3 months ago
Anonymous
>hard data
That leo/mil require handguns for offensive use cases but civvies don't? Are you fricking moronic? It's objectively true on its' face.
3 months ago
Anonymous
You said a lot more than that. You know you said a lot more than that. Please don't be disingenuous for once.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>hard data that autos are cheaper
self-evident due to economies of scale >hard data that training to shoot autos is cheaper
This is also objectively self-evident if you have ever trained a noob. Mil/leo have speed/accuracy requirements to qualify. Autos are objectively easier to shoot faster with less total rounds of practice. The DAO trigger is the hardest trigger to master and requires the highest round count(thus cost) to attain proficiency.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I don't see any data, anon, just supposition.
3 months ago
Anonymous
I don't need to convince you moron anon. I only need to make my evaluation in regards to my own choices in training and equipment.
3 months ago
Anonymous
What? We're not talking about you.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Yes we are. We're talking about why someone would carry a revolver over an auto or vice versa. I make my case for the revolver based on my evaluation of my specific needs as far as legitimate self defense. gays want to argue about why they think auto is better for them. Feel free to. I just want you to be realistic about the plusses/minuses of each system. Neither is perfect and there is no one size fits all for everyone and their specific situation.
Kay so what does it matter if they can't master a DAO trigger quickly or not?
It only matters in relation to the discussion on why leos/mil use autos. Part of that equation is COST. Departments would have to spend more money for more ammo to train 80IQ moron cops to qualify if they were holding the standards they do now because it takes more time/rounds to attain the same level of speed/accuracy with DAO than it does with an auto.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Anon we're talking about LEOs. Not you. Please try to stay on track.
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lmfao how people haven't learned to stop giving this dipshit (you)s at this point
I'm bored, I know he'll reply because he's also bored. I'll keep doing it until he starts to bore me.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>Part of that equation is COST
Well if it doesn't matter how good they get with pistols then it sounds like the ONLY thing that matters is cost, which makes me wonder why switch to Wonder 9s and disrupt long established training and logistical lines, which brings us RIGHT back to
why would leo/mil adopt a supposedly inferior weapon across the entire world?
...why adopt them at all?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>why adopt them at all?
lol this Black person is seriously asking why leo/mil wants shiny new toys? How fricking moronic are you? NOTHING IS ABOUT OPTIMAL EFFECTIVENESS. EVERYTHING IS ABOUT MONEY AND POWER.
3 months ago
Anonymous
What?
3 months ago
Anonymous
>master >proficiency
NOW hollup aren't you implying earlier that cops barely train and don't even need to have basic experience with malf drills? So what does it matter if they don't become masters with a DAO?
3 months ago
Anonymous
It doesn't. Who gives a shit about cops? They have a job to do and that job has acceptable failure/loss rates. I am just one lone gay. I don't have acceptable failure/loss rates.
3 months ago
Anonymous
Kay so what does it matter if they can't master a DAO trigger quickly or not?
3 months ago
Anonymous
I don't need to convince you moron anon. I only need to make my evaluation in regards to my own choices in training and equipment.
lmfao how people haven't learned to stop giving this dipshit (you)s at this point
3 months ago
Anonymous
Why am I a dipshit? You obviously have no argument if you're down to name calling. I accept your concession.
3 months ago
Anonymous
>fitztard >not arguing like a emotional woman
pick one (1)
First, NTA
Well for a few examples, they may actually need to fire the entire magazine's worth of bullets and quickly reload. In the majority of civilian self-defense shootings, less than 3 shots are fired, and there aren't any instances of reloading under fire (the record of 4 shots, 5 counting the one miss, still goes to a .38 J-frame from a self-defense shooting in 1987).
As it so happens, the average civilian will not find himself facing down many opponents that are determined to kill him at the cost of their lives. Criminals and even political ideologues tend to flee when shot at, being either opportunists, cowards, or both. Even Rittenhouse only fired like 2 or 3 shots before his attackers fled.
You may indeed find yourself facing such a determined opponent if you've fricked your neighbor's wife, or perhaps many if you regularly piss of the local mafia. But again, the average person doesn't need to deal with these. By all means, carry what you like and use best, but know that for the average shoot, you will likely only shoot a few times to end the threat. I do personally carry a few different guns, both revolver and auto.
Also, cops are very incompetent at shooting. There's many bodycam videos of them dumping their entire mag vaguely at an attacker, and I recall at least one with a female officer where she also shot an innocent bystander as she illegally entered a house to heckle an actual moron. I'd sooner use the military application of a given firearm than look to the police for good examples.
A cop has to walk around carrying his gun all day, every day. Along with pepper spray, taser, handcuffs, radio, phone, multi-tool, baton, etc. So he wants a small, light gun. His job might involve confronting one dangerous person or many. So he wants a high capacity gun, even at the cost of stopping power.
I don't like how it kicks. Seems to dump the force right on the web of my thumb. Not as bad as a 9x18 PA-63 (that one felt like I was being hit with a fricking hammer), but still bad. And it's not the caliber, I have Smiths and a 1911 that I shoot comfortably. It's probably something to do with the design of the grip.
I love revolvers. I want to pick up an Anaconda, a single-action 45LC, and 10 more model 36s. missing is my H&R999 and Rhino 60DS, both are a lot of fun
>when one officer is shooting an average of 3.59 rounds are fired and 51% of rounds fired hit the target >when two officers are shooting an average of 4.98 total rounds are fired and 23% of rounds fired hit the target >when three or more officers are shooting an average 6.48 total rounds are fired and 9% of rounds fired hit the target
https://www.policeone.com/officer-shootings/articles/117909-Study-reveals-important-truths-hidden-in-the-details-of-officer-involved-shootings/
I think you're gonna try it and not like it or find that it prints more than you would like unless you wear some specific jacket. But everyone has to learn this for themselves. I have found it's much easier to carry strong side OWB but you can't wear zipper jackets if you want fast access. With buttons you can just button the top couple and still be able to get in and out fast. I have a K.L. Null holster for a j-frame and it does work great but I pretty much only use it when I'm wearing a full suit and I know the jacket isn't coming off at any time. Suit pockets are kinda flimsy for pocket carry but it can be done.
idk, maybe
Statistically, any situation where a gun is used in self-defense, 97% of those situations end with 4 or less shots fired. 99% of those situations end without any need for reloading the weapon (regardless of weapon type).
That means revolver is just fine. M1911 is just fine. If you run into a situation which you can not solve with 6 rounds fired, the chances are it's a situation you won't be solving anyways even if you had more ammo.
Are you a law enforcement officer or a soldier? Someone who might have to use his gun as part of doing your job? No? The revolver is fine for you. Do not give into your fantasy of "lone gun-fighter against the odds" fantasy. Your first priority is to get the hell out of dodge, not to start living your power fantasies.
And who would the cops be firing their autoloaders at? The same criminals trying to mug you. Not carrying your antiquated piece of shit when I can have more than double the capacity, actual (night) sights, and the ability to mount optics and lights in the same form factor and price range.
>*auto jams*
>you don't have a partner or backup on the way because you're just some guy
I'm sure that could never happen to you though. you're God's special little creature.
>*runs out of ammo*
>you don’t have even half the capacity of similar sized micro-9 because you’re a contrarian homosexual
I'm sure that could never happen to you though. you're God's special little creature.
>I'm sure that could never happen to you though.
It could but then I'd just pull my 2nd revolver. Protip: You can do everything right and still die.
>has to carry/transition between two guns and still has less rounds than a singular P365
Lmao, cope a little harder.
contend the probability you will ever need more than 5-6 rounds to resolve a DGU is lower than the probability your auto will jam on the worst day of your life. You do you though.
Not less. Fewer.
The likelihood of me not killing or incapacitating a person with 8 rounds is substantially lower then your wonder9 jamming not completely due in part to me actually practicing and taking defensive courses unlike you mall ninja
This. How many of these capacity gays are running malf remediation drills at least a couple times a week. I'd bet very fricking few. They want to buy shit for a low probability event but they won't practice for a low probability event. You can't buy competence.
Everything is a trade-off. Every man much choose their own path.
>The same criminals trying to mug you
Not necessarily. There's a good argument to be made that gang bangers (of the kind usually killed in police shootings) aren't really crazy about mugging. It's a lot of risk for usually not that much reward. Muggers are usually junkies, and bangers usually aren't junkies. They kill each other over turf ergo drug money and probably are more likely to shoot at the cops because they have more to lose. I get the narrative that all criminals are stupid and unpredictable, but overall people's behavior trends towards predictability. A junkie is less likely to get shot by the cops because he has less to lose in being apprehended. A gang banger is more likely to get shot by the cops because he's more likely to have a decades-long sentence. It makes good sense to me that, overall, the kind of person likely to be shot and killed by the cops is less likely to be shot by a genuine civilian just because there's less of an opportunity for them to ever interact.
I’d take a look at the Police Activity channel. A pretty sizable amount of the OIS are a result of armed robbery, carjacking, and other violent crime on civilians. I just used “mug” as a catch all term, and it sounds like you’re thinking about this too deep. Doesn’t matter if it’s a junkie or gang banger when you need to use your gun, a threat is a threat, and I want the option that gives me the best chance to win. Same reason I use an AR for home defense.
Civilians don’t have to pursue and arrest people. Normally when a gun fight starts the criminals are trying to get away, unless they’re already trapped.
As a civilian if the criminals run away, you’ve already won.
That rounds used sat is fricky, of the dozen or so accounts I've heard first hand about defensive shootings the threat is stopped via a single shot, or the mag gets emptied I have not heard of anything else
What a meme post. Justifying a revolver based on how it's "not that bad" instead of why it's good. Fact of the matter is you don't know how many rounds you're gonna need to protect yourself, your family or your neighbor. Nobody really knows what any of those statistics really mean or what would've turned the tides. The man of the household is the de-facto guardian of his family and he must be prepared to stop a threat at any time. If that means he needs a high capacity, high powered semiautomatic, then so be it. If that means he needs a hammerless snubby hidden inside his coat pocket, then so be it.
>Fact of the matter is you don't know how many rounds you're gonna need to protect yourself
No we actually have a pretty good idea thanks to decades of anecdotal evidence. For the vast majority of cases it's less than 6 rounds. First person to get a solid hit in a gunfight is usually the winner. Therefore I choose to maximize the chances that my first 6 shots in a gunfight are going to go bang no matter what. Some people would rather risk a malfunction in those first 6 rounds to gain the ammunition capacity of an autoloader in case they ever face the lower probability of needing more than 6 rounds. To each their own.
anyone that talks about statistics when talking about round counts used in swlf defense and justifying using an inferior tool that carries less ammunition deserves to die when they become the statistic that ran out of ammo and needed more
giving out bad advice to people that can get them killed should honestly just land you in jail
you want MORE than you would need, not the bare minimum of the "average"
>yea that long road in the middle of the desert? you only need x gallons of fuel to cross it so ONLY fill up to that much
>what happens when something unexpected occurs and you need more?
>LOL frick if i know
you do know what an "average" means right?
it means 50% of incidents used more than that
fifty
percent
half
a coin flip
you gonna trust your life to a coin flip?
>justifying using an inferior tool that carries less ammunition
>but has less probability of jamming
They always leave out the upside when they mention the downside. You ever notice that? Round and round we go. Nothing is perfect you fricks. Evaluate your situation and choose for yourself but don't act like your choice is the best choice for everyone or that your choice doesn't come with some serious drawbacks.
Also see:
>you gonna trust your life to a coin flip?
Yeah. Everyone does. Every minute of every day. Welcome to the party pal.
Revolver always goes bang, and never drops casings. Makes a good backup holdout weapon in close range also, if you dont prefer pocket blowback pistols. also fudd shit. and they are generally awesome
Revolvers do malfunction albeit rarely and when they do it's catastrophic. A well maintained semi auto is just fine, and only a dirty monkey would consider keeping brass as a huge upside unless you mean for reloading it for range ammo
They are still guns at the very least, but semi autos have come too far and there is no realistic scenario that they lose out to a revolver, fun range toys that look cool and feel cowboyish but much less efficient weapons compared to what we have now
This fricking moron take again. Revolvers are immune to ammo related malfunctions, which are the most common type of malfunction in an auto. If a so called “catastrophic” revolver failure happened to the timing/broken part/etc, that would be an equally catastrophic failure in an auto.
So to break it down further- ammo related failure in a revolver: pull trigger again
Ammo related failure in an auto: tap rack bang
Catastrophic failure in revolver: no bang at all
Catastrophic failure in auto: no bang at all.
The one revolver specific failure I will give you is crimp jump which is very easy to avoid.
You forgot getting an attacker's bullet lodged in your cylinder.
That sort of shit happens to autos as well.
Of course it does. I was clearly taking the piss.
We're at the point now where as long as you're not buying garbage you're just as likely to have a bullet jam your gun as you are a catastrophic failure.
I own a couple of Taurus revolvers which some consider garbage(they're not btw). I've got a little over 4K through two of them and have had zero malfunctions. I got them right before the panic wiped out everyfrickingthing in early 2020 so round counts should be way higher but primer shortage last few years fricked me pretty hard since I only shoot handloads in my revolvers. Availability is pretty good right now(prices not so much but whatever) so I'm looking forward to my first normal shooting season in 3 years. Of course I'm sure WWIII or something will frick that up though. We'll see lol.
Last I checked people are no more resistant to .357mag than they used to be
Just wait, I’m starting to build up immunity to .32 ACP
Nice Ive been ingesting 22lr since I was a child so I could start on .380 as a teen. Now as a grown adult I can take my one a day 9mm
Heavy, bad triggers, awkward to carry, low capacity, less durable..
But sure, they can kill people dead
Pocket revolvers are still very relevant because pocket autos are blowback pieces of shit and print much worse than a j frame or similar sized revolver. They really aren't relevant for duty guns. Big ones are good for woods guns though.
People will continue to buy revolvers because they are cool and American culture reveres them, much like the samurai sword is inferior to European swords, but people still like them because they're cool and Japanese culture reveres them.
>Heavy
Depends. Aluminum snubs are not heavy at all. Full sized steel revolvers obviously are.
>bad triggers
Depends. If you think any double action trigger is bad, then skill issue. Most triggers from reputable companies get really smooth if you break them in with dry fire.
>awkward to carry
Literally how?
>low capacity
Of course
>less durable
Are you one of the people mad that you damage the gun by whipping the cylinder closed?
Criticisms you missed:
>Usually bad sights
>Awkward reloads
>New ones tend to be made worse than old ones
pussy magnets
All blams, no jams. Reject autoloader. Return to Spinboi.
What's a good first revolver to get?
Guns are tools. You pick one based on the job you want it to do. What job do you want your revolver to do?
>What job do you want your revolver to do?
Ideally to shoot bullets.
>doesn't have even a basic b***h POU in mind
Buy whatever then you consooomer homosexual. Anything can go bang.
>What job do you want your revolver to do?
Targeted assassinations of high profile politicians
The best gun to get is the one you like the best. This is the truth that is for some reason hard for many people to accept.
Guns are like cars. There are different uses for different people, different design philosophies and niche groups. What it the best gun of one person can be horrible abomination to another. What matters is your own needs, desires and expectations and what you are comfortable with.
Go to a gun range, loan a load of different kinds of revolvers and try them all out. Then pick the one you liked the best. The one that fits your hand the best, the one with most acceptable recoil to you, the nicest trigger... the one that you thought was most fun to shoot.
Pick the one you like the best and suits your needs.
Because if you ask other people what is the best gun, they will invariably tell you what it the best gun FOR THEM, not necessarely for you. Again, it's kinda like asking what car is the best. You answer will depend of whom you are asking it from. Audi fanboys will say it's Audi. Mercedes fans will tell you it's mercedes. Ford Mustang guys will have only one answer for you. But ultimately, the best car is the one you yourself like the best.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_%26_Wesson_Model_10
https://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/smith-and-wesson-model-10-review/
https://www.gunbroker.com/Revolvers/search?Keywords=Model%2010&PageSize=96&Sort=4&View=1&Ch-model=10
www.thesixgunjournal.net/a-revolver-buyers-checklist/
https://www.thesixgunjournal.net/a-revolver-buyers-checklist/
Glock 19
What ever you like but id recommend a single action of a brand of your choosing. Something in .22lr or .357/38
Model 19 or a 22 wrangler
4-6 inch .357 from a good brand. Can be single action or double action. S&W 19/66/586/686 is a good choice. Ruger GP100 or Security Six is a good choice. Uberti Cattleman / Ruger Vaquero / Ruger Blackhawk / (insert decent single action brand here) is a good choice. Colt Python or Trooper is a good choice.
An above average revolver these days costs more than some of the best pistols on the market. On that fact alone, I'd say no. But they still kill stuff and shoot good if that's what you're asking.
If you consider a glock one of the best pistols because it goes bang and is as accurate as most shooters thats a very very low bar nowadays
Until 10mm unfricks itself and magnum autoloaders are 2 grand for a functional one yes.
Glock + Underwood/Buffalo Bore?
I mean, c'mon dude.
do we really have to have this thread every week
Yes.
It's like the weekly pea soup day. You must have it, like it or not.
why can't you just make a revolver general instead of doing this shit every day with the same three thread formats? or get an actual hobby?
generals are cancer full of triphomosexualry.
yeah and the barely hidden "let's stir shit up by pitting autos against revolvers" intent in these from the same 2-3 posters who make them that are so identifiable by their point-by-point posts they make every time that they might as well be tripgays makes it all basically a cancerous general. so why not cut out the middle man already?
I recommend them to friends and family that want something that they can just stick in a drawer or glove compartment for fifteen years and never touch. You can’t limp wrist a revolver, and the way to remedy a FTF is to pull the trigger again, which is a natural reaction under stress.
All toys are relevant. You don't need to justify toys. You're just playing so play.
Did humans gained immunity to six shots of .38 special to the chest?
Considering .38 is wimpier than 9mm, I’d say yes to some extent. Imagine a revolvergay with a J-frame getting torn to shreds by a giga-homie because he ran out of ammo and didn’t score a CNS hit. Would be quite funny.
Is this how you cope after seeing countless cops fail to down an engineer after missing 15 times with 9mm?
Multiple instances of joggers taking numerous torso hits and still fighting, from .38 to .45 ACP. Capacity is king as long as said round is able to put a hole through a person was my point.
Capacity means little if you cant hit what you're aiming at. Revolvers naturally point better which is a positive for more accurate initial shots
>revolvers naturally point better
Literally entirely subjective you fricking moron. You probably just grew up with them.
Post guns.
I’ve never posted them on the internet and I’m not about to for some salty revolvergay, just know I don’t own any revolvers. Probably will in the future for a range toy, but never for actual carry.
Thats what I thought
Still not posting them but you can have a couple of random mags I had laying around
>Practically unused mags
Why are you here talking about guns you clearly dont shoot.
Right one is brand new and middle is from a M17 I got 30% off I’m scared to shoot/carry. Also haven’t been shooting much since COVID when the prices spiked.
Anon Ive shot like 3k rounds of 9mm and 1000 rounds of .357 since covid, you dont know what you're talking about when it comes to shooting guns and it shows.
Are you the guy who got sand in your pussy because I said saying revolvers point better is entirely subjective?
Are you the anon who doesnt shoot at all and thinks he can talk about shooting guns?
I could take this argument to someone who’s never even shot a gun and they could tell you it’s subjective you fricking moron. It’s literally Chevy vs Ford, some guys shoot better with autoloaders, some with revolvers. Again, you probably grew up with revolvers and that’s what you’re comfortable with, many people grew up shooting autoloaders, and that’s what they’re comfortable with. It’s really not that hard to understand.
>I dont shoot guns or even own a revolver but let me tell you how it feels to shoot revolvers
Dunning Kruger in full effect here
Sad. Many such cases.
But anon he's right
>t. owns multiples of both
If you owned both youd understand thst grip geomoetry matters for point shooting and a revolver handle is easier to point than a block.
No not really, you're probably just used to revolvers more
That lever is fricking beautiful. Wut caliber?
It's a Miroku so it better be. Chambered in .357.
fanboying needs to be avoided so you don't post embarrassing shit like this
You do realize that different guns have different grip geometries even within the same type? Only someone who has never handled either would post something this stupid.
jesus my trigger finger just sucked back up into my body looking at that image...not even once...
The only real threat is to your thumb if you don't pay attention and use a thumbs-forward grip. If you're used to revolvers it's a non-issue.
That's really gnarly that it wasn't even overpressure.
The frame just failed completely.
The gun is a giant piece of shit that only sells because of the spacegun aesthetic.
I mean look at this shit.
True beef has a name.
>top strap still attached despite an 80,000psi+ kaboom
I'm talking about the lockwork anyway, but if you want to talk proofing numbers we can.
That one was overpressure.
May have just been rapid development of endshake causing B/C misalignment. Doesn't take long to weaken the area around the barrel shank then.
If the original post was around we may diagnose a squib, but even an underloaded cartridge would get a bullet out of a 2". Unless it had no powder.
>Torn up steel and shattered wood
The FRICK did you do to that thing?
The frame is aluminum, so it aftermath makes sense. That one got got by Bubba's custom reloading recipe.
>The frame is aluminum
Stainless steel all of it before I'd consider buying one. Some of you can hate Smiths all you want, but if loaded with the correct pressure, Smith and Wessons have yet to frick up on me.
Breaking: squibs explode guns. More at 11.
Any gun can blow up anon. The question is how is the gun going to blow up due to how it's designed and which would you rather endure?
Damn, I always thought one of these would be cool but that looks fricking wild.
God damn the revolver homosexualy on /k/ is just getting depressing
>>guys if we talk about anything other than big black glocks I just don’t think I can take it, if you don’t stop I’ll give you such a pinch.
>damn guys I said something objectively moronic and now I'm being laughed at, clearly these haters just want to talk about glawks
have a nice day moron
>Nuh uh you're dumb because I said so
Revolvers naturally point netter, anyone who owns both can attest that a revolver handle is more ergonomic that most double stack 9mms on the market.
both are made for human hands and feel fine you sperging homosexual
.t hasnt shot a gun in years and owns no revolvers
post your pointshoot groups. post your guns.
You already said you havent shot in years lnao.
post your pointshoot groups. post your guns.
Post your unused mags again lmao
what the frick are you talking about, noguns?
Last person who seethed like this refused to post guns and admitted they havent shot a revolver nor own one and havent trained since 2020 began.
Anon pls
You having a single shitty .22 that doesn't look used doesn't mean you know anything about revolvers
Interesting, I've yet to see a .22 with a .45 bore.
Cool, that's your experience. I point better with my Glock than any of my revolvers. Amazing how subjective handguns are from person to person. Also, ever held a Luger? It'll change your life
>Block fits his hand better than a revolver
I didnt know we had lego people posting
Anon they're all meant to fit within a human hand. You focus on one you like, you're going to git gud with it. Me picking up a revolver for the first time after a decade of frequent practice with a Glock is not going to result in me getting better results with the revolver. You're being silly.
This entire post is silly, I cant even tell what your point is, what you're better with the gun you shot way more? Okay cool Im better with guns I shoot more too, thats not the point of this conversation.
Anon I shot 4000+ rounds of 9mm before I ever handled a revolver, revolvers point better.
nta but you genuinely need to learn what subjectivity is
>Lower bore axis and thinner rounder grips is subjective
Anon you need to learn the definition of subjective
There you go again, acting like all geometries are the same within pistol types because you're a noguns.
You really are so dumb I have to clarify "on average"? NAXALT me again you dumby I dare you.
I'm going to be clear, you do not own guns. Only someone who has never handled them would say something as stupidly broad yet absolutist in regards to handgun handling. A revolver just being a revolver =/= it will always point easier than every autoloader. For that matter it's almost entirely user dependent. Get over it.
not all revolvers have lower bore axis and grips vary wildly. yes you need to learn subjectivity.
>Not all X are like that!
Yes anon we know. Thanks for wasting everyones time with a worthless post.
He needs to learn that experience and preference trump just about everything else. It's silly to pretend that no matter the person or their experience, they're always going to point better with any revolver vs. any semi auto pistol.
Anon, the silly train is continuing down your track. You said revolvers point better. I said this is subjective, you'll point better with the gun you know best. Do you get the point of the point about pointing, silly?
I’ve shot them, I prefer semi auto. It feels better to me. Are you arguing that once you shoot a revolver something snaps in your brain that automatically makes it feel/point better than an autoloader you’ve spent years familiarizing yourself with? Are you actually that delusional about this shit?
Not him, but I didn't shoot any handguns at all until I was 21 and bought a handgun, and my first was a Shield 9mm. Second was an aluminum j frame. Third was a steel frame 9mm. Fourth was a Model 10. I have been hooked on revolvers since the model 10. I just like the ergos better. I own and shoot competitively steel, aluminum, and polymer framed pistols and I own revolvers and I like the revolvers much more. I shoot my P01 at competition, but I EDC either a j frame or a k frame.
>first was a Shield 9mm. Second was an aluminum j frame. Third was a steel frame 9mm. Fourth was a Model 10.
lol you went completely ass backward to how you should have gone.
I got CC guns first. Once I had those, I got the fun ones.
I meant reverse order for actually learning to shoot properly. Small guns are pros guns. It's your Father's fault you got the shitty start you did anon. I'm sure you did the best with what you had to work with.
That's true. Love my dad, but for some weird reason he hates handguns. He wouldn't even humor me and shoot my Uberti SAA and I figured he would like it because he loved old westerns. Shot plenty of .22 lr and birdshot as a kid though.
Can’t speak for your dad but alotta older dudes didn’t grow up with handguns, and though people owned them, they really started becoming way more popular with general public after desegregation in the U.S.
are those winchester ranger one hollows in the right mag?
Capacity means you have a better chance of stopping the threat if your accuracy is poor. Going from gun to no gun is much worse than going from gun to more bullets.
>Capacity means you have a better chance of stopping the threat if your accuracy is poor.
At least one of you gays is honest but if you don't train enough and your accuracy is poor as a result then you're certainly not training enough to be competent at malfunction remediation so it's still a net negative to carry an auto.
If you're not practicing for head shots in current year you're ngmi. I'll also accept pelvis shots against an attacker without a ranged weapon.
.38 with proper bullet/load will go clean through a human torso. You can't ask for more than that in the handgun realm. It's your job to put them where they will break something that leads to rapid incapacitation.
unless that giga homie has 20 inches of fat which would act as a natural armor five shots(j frame) of .38 (provided all hit) would be enough to incapitate, imo.
I am not saying revos are the best option but they are not the worst either. They are just fine.
>I’d say yes
Let's stop using that fanciful imagination for a moment and look at what actually happens.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_New_York_City_Subway_shooting
Goetz didn't even have real training, he got the gun not long before the shooting occurred.
>look at what actually happens
Darren Wilson and the ZimZam would have been better served with a 5 shot jframe.
Trayboon had his paws all over the gun when they were fighting over it and zimzam barely got off a shot because the slide kept getting pushed out of battery. Face Down Michael Brown was wrestling with Wilson through the squad car window over his p229.
>Wilson drew his weapon and told Brown to stop or he was going to shoot him. Brown replied, “You are too much of a pussy to shoot,” grabbed Wilson’s gun, and pointed it at Wilson’s left hip. Wilson could feel Browns fingers working to get into the trigger guard. Fearing he was about to be shot by his own gun, Wilson struggled to point the gun away from his hip toward the driver’s door, at which point he pulled the trigger. Click. He pulled it again. Click. The gun wouldn’t fire.
>Officer Wilson pulled the trigger a third time and the gun went off, firing a round through Brown’s right thumb and into the driver’s door. The shot startled Brown, backing him up off the vehicle. Wilson stated Brown became enraged and “looked like a demon” in response. Brown then leaned back into the vehicle to assault Wilson again. At this point, Wilson tried to fire another round to no avail. Malfunction number two.
Jesus, has Sig ever been good?
It's not a SIG issue. It's a "the inherent deficiencies of autoloading handguns" issue.
Pretty sure there was an Active Self Protection video of these two ladies fighting off some armed robber in a convenience store, and they shot him with all 5 shots of .38 and then basically had to fight him for a minute or two. I may be misremembering I can’t find the video.
If you posted a paragraph itt, you're probably brain damaged.
Wow a steel framed revolver that weighs twice as much as an aluminum or polymer handgun that you’re most likely running .38s through doesn’t have that much recoil, impressive!
>Refuses to believe you can train to handle .357 magnum
Post guns twig wrists
That’s still not impressive anon, it’s a steel framed .357, the recoils not that hard to handle.
But anon you just assumed it was .38, now .357 is easy to handle because I called you out?
They were 158gr over 13.5gr of AA9.
Carry on being a limpwristed homosexual.
Revolvergays are the types of guys to lie over the internet to make their obsolete autistic obsession look better. Also,
>probably
In original post. You’re still shooting a gun twice as heavy for probably ~50% more energy than 9mm. The recoil out of a micro-9 with proper carry ammo is harder to handle than a steel .357.
How much does the micro 9 you have in mind weigh? How heavy and fast are the bullets?
This is pretty easy to test.
P365 is around 22 oz loaded. Typical 2-3” steel revolver is ~40oz I’m assuming? Hornady Critical Duty 135 gr +P for the 9mm load.
>40oz
Anon, it's a 27oz gun. The load I was using produces around 21ft/lbs of recoil.
The P365, when unloaded, using Hornady's 135gr +P that I had to search around for chronograph data from a 3" barrel, the average velocity was 1018fps. It produced around 18.5ft/lbs.
You dont own guns.
>noooooo you have to carry a scamdium or aluminium revolver
I like my pp
Yes, how else am I supposed to larp as a western gunfighter
Do they shoot bullets that make bad guys dead? If they do, then they're relevant.
Is having this thread literally every day and pretending it isn't supposed to be same moronic auto vs. wheelgun shitflinging from the same posters really necessary?
We're refining our rhetoric to a razor's edge in here gay. Some normie on the street trying the usual arguments would get obliterated by a /k/ revolver thread regular.
I hope you guys don't write more paragraphs and just shoot what you enjoy.
Who cares?
I just bought another one 2 weeks ago because I like them and I have money
Fundamentally yes. A revolver only has 6 shots but you only need to land 1 shot to kill someone. The grip also doesn't need to fit a magazine inside so it's design is pure comfort and aesthetics.
A fricking sharp stick or rock can still kill a motherfricker in 2024.. What the frick is wrong with you god-damned children?
>What the frick is wrong with you god-damned children?
Are single action revolvers still relevant in the 21st century?
Outside of range fun and handgun hunting? Probably not. I mean if it's all you have for self defense then yeah it's still a gun but there is zero use for single action on a fighting revolver.
Great to use. I have a couple of semi autos, and they just collect dust. I am always shooting my S&W. It's just such a pleasing piece of equipment. I also fuss more about my revolver... try to keep it really in top shape (trigger jobs, cleaning, etc.) and I've come to believe that I am a wheel man! I'll probably use it for woods carry and home defense in the long run.
Ganging up on a poor gun whose trigger hasn't even dropped yet. Shame on y'all.
Luv muh super Blackhawk.
.44 mag out of a snub must be i interesting though.
Even with the Bisley grip and bulk it’s still substantial.
I can't believe anyone looked at the 44 Mag and said "that's not enough."
Motherfricker these loads still produce 30ft/lbs of energy in a 3.8lbs gun. They touch mid 454 velocity/energy, what animal do you think it won't kill?
>what animal do you think it won't kill?
Truckasaurus
Claw, King of the Bears
Mammothman
Aggressive whales
That wolf god from Princess Mononoke
The list goes on.
If you want to prance around the wilderness severely under-armed for any legendary beast (or normal whale) you may encounter, weh-eh-ellll don't let one guy on the internet with 60 years of experience in wilderness gunfighting stop you.
That's fair. I also hadn't considered the number of cryptids one might encounter.
Sasquatch will shrug off your puny .44 magnum and will have his way with your butt. Gotta carry .454 to even stand a chance of maintaining your anal virginity.
It was never a question of “is this enough?” It’s always been, “how far can we go?”
Got my 500 mag bfr coming next week. Hopefully sending it out for full bushwacker here in a couple of months.
My 44 mag is a Super Blackhawk with those goofy looking Hogue rubber monogrips. I shot my buddy's 629 44 snubby and couldn't hit the target with a full cylinder.
I'd get one just because they look nice.
I agree I think the stainless and black Taurus tracker has a cool Deus Ex look to it.
I hunt rabbits with 38 special wadcutters, and deer with a 44 mag. I had to put a doe out of her misery with my 38 after a car busted her legs, and since this was in an area that has seasonal shooting bans I didn't want to leave a casing on the ground, For self defense I'll stick to an auto.
As long as cool guys exist revolvers will be relevant
literally fedora logic
Die mad about it pal.
The year is 2524, orks have invaded Earth.
Yet 'Ol Reliable still kills orks
thinking about selling my 686 to replace with a MR73. what would be the best barrel lenght to get? 6" feels kinda too long for simple range shooting.
Revolvers are relevant to me
Do we count grenade launchers?
I do.
If revolvers are so great why are autoloaders the standard everywhere now?
But what about both
1) leo/mil adoption makes people not in leo/mil think that's what they need even though the use cases are 100% unrelated in any way
2)leo/mil adoption means they are cheaper due to economies of scale
3)leo/mil adoption means marketing for gun companies to push products tthey want civvies to subsidze the development for in hopes they can land leo/mil contracts
4)leo/mil adoption means most trainers come from that background teach what they were taught which mostly has frick all to do with civvie self defense
It's a synergistic circle jerk of autohomosexualry. You have to be aneurotypical to see through all the bullshit to the objective reality that the normie mainstream is full of shit. Kind of like everything else in clown world.
why would leo/mil adopt a supposedly inferior weapon across the entire world?
It's not inferior for them. It's perfect for them. you are not them.
>ITT: these guns jam all the time!
>they adopted them because it's perfect for them
What's perfect about it?
Are you starting to understand the who!e point of these threads is for shitposting? Also
>162 posts
>59 posters
Literally the new "forward assists cause jams" b8 thread
1) cheap
2) lower training cost(DAO is harder to master)
What you can't seem to wrap your head around is that trading reliability for capacity is a good trade off for leo/mil because their use cases involve offensive use of a handgun. They have to press a fight where a civvie can just break contact. Also they generally have mutual support so if they have a failure there is somone else to pick up the slack where a civvie is alone and fricked if their gun doesn't work. In the case of Mil use handguns are almost irrelevant outside of MP use, narrow SOF use cases and brass trying to look tough.
>1) cheap
Revolvers are of similar cost if not cheaper in a lot of cases
2) lower training cost(DAO is harder to master)
Training to clear jams is cheaper?
>Revolvers are of similar cost if not cheaper in a lot of cases
Now you're just fricking trolling.
>Training to clear jams is cheaper?
yeah because they give a 5 second malf clearance drill instruction and then who gives a frick if the moron cop or pvt laquisha actually practices it.
Do you have any hard data to back this up or is it raw speculation you pulled out of your ass
>hard data
That leo/mil require handguns for offensive use cases but civvies don't? Are you fricking moronic? It's objectively true on its' face.
You said a lot more than that. You know you said a lot more than that. Please don't be disingenuous for once.
>hard data that autos are cheaper
self-evident due to economies of scale
>hard data that training to shoot autos is cheaper
This is also objectively self-evident if you have ever trained a noob. Mil/leo have speed/accuracy requirements to qualify. Autos are objectively easier to shoot faster with less total rounds of practice. The DAO trigger is the hardest trigger to master and requires the highest round count(thus cost) to attain proficiency.
I don't see any data, anon, just supposition.
I don't need to convince you moron anon. I only need to make my evaluation in regards to my own choices in training and equipment.
What? We're not talking about you.
Yes we are. We're talking about why someone would carry a revolver over an auto or vice versa. I make my case for the revolver based on my evaluation of my specific needs as far as legitimate self defense. gays want to argue about why they think auto is better for them. Feel free to. I just want you to be realistic about the plusses/minuses of each system. Neither is perfect and there is no one size fits all for everyone and their specific situation.
It only matters in relation to the discussion on why leos/mil use autos. Part of that equation is COST. Departments would have to spend more money for more ammo to train 80IQ moron cops to qualify if they were holding the standards they do now because it takes more time/rounds to attain the same level of speed/accuracy with DAO than it does with an auto.
Anon we're talking about LEOs. Not you. Please try to stay on track.
I'm bored, I know he'll reply because he's also bored. I'll keep doing it until he starts to bore me.
>Part of that equation is COST
Well if it doesn't matter how good they get with pistols then it sounds like the ONLY thing that matters is cost, which makes me wonder why switch to Wonder 9s and disrupt long established training and logistical lines, which brings us RIGHT back to
...why adopt them at all?
>why adopt them at all?
lol this Black person is seriously asking why leo/mil wants shiny new toys? How fricking moronic are you? NOTHING IS ABOUT OPTIMAL EFFECTIVENESS. EVERYTHING IS ABOUT MONEY AND POWER.
What?
>master
>proficiency
NOW hollup aren't you implying earlier that cops barely train and don't even need to have basic experience with malf drills? So what does it matter if they don't become masters with a DAO?
It doesn't. Who gives a shit about cops? They have a job to do and that job has acceptable failure/loss rates. I am just one lone gay. I don't have acceptable failure/loss rates.
Kay so what does it matter if they can't master a DAO trigger quickly or not?
lmfao how people haven't learned to stop giving this dipshit (you)s at this point
Why am I a dipshit? You obviously have no argument if you're down to name calling. I accept your concession.
>fitztard
>not arguing like a emotional woman
pick one (1)
First, NTA
Well for a few examples, they may actually need to fire the entire magazine's worth of bullets and quickly reload. In the majority of civilian self-defense shootings, less than 3 shots are fired, and there aren't any instances of reloading under fire (the record of 4 shots, 5 counting the one miss, still goes to a .38 J-frame from a self-defense shooting in 1987).
As it so happens, the average civilian will not find himself facing down many opponents that are determined to kill him at the cost of their lives. Criminals and even political ideologues tend to flee when shot at, being either opportunists, cowards, or both. Even Rittenhouse only fired like 2 or 3 shots before his attackers fled.
You may indeed find yourself facing such a determined opponent if you've fricked your neighbor's wife, or perhaps many if you regularly piss of the local mafia. But again, the average person doesn't need to deal with these. By all means, carry what you like and use best, but know that for the average shoot, you will likely only shoot a few times to end the threat. I do personally carry a few different guns, both revolver and auto.
Also, cops are very incompetent at shooting. There's many bodycam videos of them dumping their entire mag vaguely at an attacker, and I recall at least one with a female officer where she also shot an innocent bystander as she illegally entered a house to heckle an actual moron. I'd sooner use the military application of a given firearm than look to the police for good examples.
A cop has to walk around carrying his gun all day, every day. Along with pepper spray, taser, handcuffs, radio, phone, multi-tool, baton, etc. So he wants a small, light gun. His job might involve confronting one dangerous person or many. So he wants a high capacity gun, even at the cost of stopping power.
You wouldn't get it.
m206 isn't so pricey plus i get to look like a detective or hitman
Spend like $50 more for a Taurus anon.
you're better than cheapo flipshit anon
get a real revolver, not that trash
i like cheap guns and expensive guns
I don't like how it kicks. Seems to dump the force right on the web of my thumb. Not as bad as a 9x18 PA-63 (that one felt like I was being hit with a fricking hammer), but still bad. And it's not the caliber, I have Smiths and a 1911 that I shoot comfortably. It's probably something to do with the design of the grip.
I love revolvers. I want to pick up an Anaconda, a single-action 45LC, and 10 more model 36s. missing is my H&R999 and Rhino 60DS, both are a lot of fun
I think you meant 36 more Model 10s.
The 999 means you are an anon of taste.
I’m going to LARP as a PI with a .38 in my pocket and there’s nothing you can do about it.
>when one officer is shooting an average of 3.59 rounds are fired and 51% of rounds fired hit the target
>when two officers are shooting an average of 4.98 total rounds are fired and 23% of rounds fired hit the target
>when three or more officers are shooting an average 6.48 total rounds are fired and 9% of rounds fired hit the target
https://www.policeone.com/officer-shootings/articles/117909-Study-reveals-important-truths-hidden-in-the-details-of-officer-involved-shootings/
This is me just with my off hand. Everyone should carry a pocket revolver no matter what they carry for a primary. Shrimple as.
they were never relevant
Not even in the 1800s?
I'm thinking about getting a shoulder holster for a k frame.
yall have any recommendations?
I think you're gonna try it and not like it or find that it prints more than you would like unless you wear some specific jacket. But everyone has to learn this for themselves. I have found it's much easier to carry strong side OWB but you can't wear zipper jackets if you want fast access. With buttons you can just button the top couple and still be able to get in and out fast. I have a K.L. Null holster for a j-frame and it does work great but I pretty much only use it when I'm wearing a full suit and I know the jacket isn't coming off at any time. Suit pockets are kinda flimsy for pocket carry but it can be done.