Are penalty units worth it? Posted on March 2, 2023 by PrepHole Contributor Are penalty units worth it?
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>basically the german albert fish
i don't think that guy was even a nazi, he just liked doing heinous shit and was so good at it he turned it into a career.
Shows the difference between political systems. In the US, Fish would become a bum and eventually executed. In Nazi Germany, a guy like him was rercruited by te government and given a high-ranking job where he got to use his special skills.
the US was employing psychopathic doctors to do lethal human experimentation on their own citizens in the same period
He was expelled from the SS, Nazi Party, stripped of his Doctorate and all his military honours after he raped the child of a Nazi Party official, got sent to prison, got out, raped another kid and was tossed in a concentration camp to rot. Until he was plucked out when shit started hitting the fan.
The Nazis themselves thought he was a sadistic pedo who belonged in a camp under normal circumstances.
difference is that fish was severely abused by his mother, borderline retarded low iq while oskar managed a to get a doctorate in pol-sci.
>get rid of undesirable prisoners
kinda as long as they can't defect
Not for anything besides digging ditches, body disposal, and minefield clearing if your country is particularly despotic.
I love how you can see both the alcoholic bloat and malnutrition of the NCO leading this rolling refuse pile.
Me the four eyes on the left
so you're the anal bitch for the squad
you can tell that one is the pedophile
you mean penal units, anon
they are worth it if you are DESPERATE and don't care what happens to civilians, the infrastructure, and POWs.
Sorry bud, we got a mine field that needs clearing. Hop to.
What about penile units? Could they replace or augment penetration divisions?
penal and penile units are the same thing, anon.
those are standard russian line units
If only for the memes.
>Can be used in suicide missions
>Kill or be killed
>Equip them with trash and watch them do wonders
>Throw them around in other units
>Will do missions that not even most hardcore special forces would dare to try
Oskar is probably the wildest man to have ever lived.
Like i genuinely don't think that man has ever given a single fuck in his life since birth.
He was just an average sadistic psychopath given free reign. He wasn't the only one in history, much less in the Third Reich.
I mean I definitely agree, but there's also a difference between him and let's say Mengele.
Oskar was in active combat while doing it.
Don't forget that Oskar had an actual doctorate (in which he comes out as bit of a libertarian, though I think that was just his penchant for anarchy flaring up), was a highly decorated WW1 vet (machinegunner, no less, imagine the fucking kill count) and was generally recognized as suicide tier brave in both world wars.
He certainly was a sadist, and a psycho, but he absolutely was not average.
Interestingly enough, there were lot of people in both political (including the SS) and Heer high command that hailed Dirlewanger as a symbol of a "unshackled Germanic/Teutonic barbarism" - in the positive (for them) sense. Obviously, majority of the command would absolutely hang the whole battalion, but he had lots of friends and admirers also.
He was literally going to die in a concentration camp until a war friend of his in high ranking with the Nazis bailed him out.
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Memes aside, if half this shit is true I wouldn't see regular wehrmacht or SS units put up with this kind of bullshit without shooting them. Especially when penal units are not the ones doing the fighting but only the looting and pillaging. Makes for an edgy story, but sounds like horsepiss.
This is the only use that penal units have most of the time, you get them to carry out missions like clearing minefields or make borderline if not outright suicidal probing attacks. Pretty sure that footage of headlong assaults around bakhmut are Wagner Penal units, both clearing minefields and used to counter-battery Ukrainian artillery. Where any half-way decent force would either try infiltration tactics or combined arms, penal units are last-ditch and "we've got nothing to lose tier".
>when you were meant to be a Soviet but born in the German Empire by accident
The Dirlewanger Brigade sucked in actual combat. They were undisciplined degenerates, which is useful if you want to terrorize a civilian populations, but not in holding the line.
>some will defect to the enemy
>some will commit atrocities you'll find yourself on a trial for
>some will survive everything and will need to be disposed of
>if you fuck up the disposal, and let's face it, if you're using penal troops, you will, the survivors will coup you
Generally no, but if you're in a ideological total war to the death like Germany and the Soviets were in, you probably would want to throw every idle man you have into the war. Nothing inspired inter-service unity between the Waffen-SS and the Heer quite like having the Oskar in their area of operation. More often they the two services issued joint requests to get them to move the the fuck on.
God, reminds me of this video I skimmed through yesterday, where the guy said that Wagner recruiting prisoners isn't a sign of thinks going poorly for Russia.
I agree that from a cynical point of view, recruiting prisoners makes sense, because losing them impacts your society back home a lot less, but "everything is fine" is still a shit take on this.
Really recommend this video if you want to get upset at someone who probably doesn't know better.
Literally Wagner found a way to filter them out by cowards, that’s why they’re so effective straight from the PMC owner himself they had 55k convicts but filtered like 60% of that and used those to clear minefields
America would never, we literally cry and shit our pants over 13 dead mutts at Kabul hence forth we will not win a war with the cartels lol they’ll just kidnap soldiers and behead them
>America would never, we literally cry and shit our pants over 13 dead mutts at Kabul hence forth we will not win a war
This is the coolest American English I've ever heard. You are the most American of all Burgers.
>isn't a sign of thinks going poorly for Russia.
Which is kinda funny because his guide died from a mortar shell while we was on his way to Donbabwee
The mustache guy? Did he say that in the video or did it happen later?
I couldn't suffer this guy talking for an hour straight so I didn't watch it all.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with the message that people in other countries are just people and we shouldn't dehumanize them. And I'm sure he has good intentions, but god I hate how wrong or ignorant he is on so many topics throughout this video.
They didn’t even give him ear pro and he plays it off as the camera man puts some on himself lol
For pure fighting, the physical bravado of ASP types are ideal. The rest are genetic trash liabilities anyways and emptying prisons with mine clearing is an appropriate fate. Hell, with equal training and experience, you want the convict next to you in the fighting position, not the guy with liabilities back home to return to.
This, sending feral pigs to go apeshit on also untrained partisans isn't quite as madlad as it seems.
Depends entirely, if your MIC is full swing, and things like gear and transportation costs are practically nill to send them somewhere, then of course. However, no country on earth is at that level of production this moment, so no.
>motivated, well trained, and well equipped
Up to one*
Back in March of '22 I made a couple of threads on PrepHole extolling the economic and social merits of penal legions, and PrepHole roundly mocked me for it, saying that it was unthinkable in this day and age, and yet here we are a year later, and Russia is using Wagner as a meat shield while culling the scummiest parts of Russian society (if such a distinction can be made between Russian prison inmates and Russian civilians.)
To be fair a lot of things happened last year that I didn't expect to witness in my lifetime.
and now you have convicts getting off free into the streets to commit more atrocities until their next round in the prison-dispat circus. Not every single one of them dies you know.
Also delinquents are notorious for how unreliable, undisciplined, opportunistic and unhinged they are. Always get torn to shreds against actual organized combat troops and only good for terrorizing civilians and each other. Just look at Bakhmut and the absolute laughable disaster it has been for the so called second stronkest army in Ukraine. Convicts are a meme and always a sign of a weak military in half chaotic turbulence.
>I'll have you know, I've been retarded for an entire year now!
Weird flex, but ok, retard.
As of 2016, there are an estimated 6,613,500 prisoners in the U.S. correction system, or 2 percent of the population.
Have fun continuing to pay taxes to house these degenerates while you cannot afford to buy a starter home in your 30s, or even your 40s, as you miss your chance to start a family.
There will never be more stylish and hilarious penal unit than Oskar's boys were.
Depends on where you're getting the penal troops from. Nonviolent criminals may be useful, but murderers and rapists are usually only good for cannon fodder.
chud waffen on the furthest to left
Everyone forgets the US has a program where you can have your sentence expunged if you do a successful tour of service in the branch of the judges choosing. At the end of the day you still voluntarily go, it’s either that or prison and to some that’s a no brainer. We just incentivize the individual to integrate and more often than not it’s successful.
Pretty big difference between what you’re vaguely referring to and Nazi and Russian convict brigades. Wagner is literally saying they want murderers and violent offenders with decades to life sentences. Same with the Nazis. The US was giving people with like 5 year sentences for drugs deals to serve in the military instead.
Wasn't there a confederate penale unit that was pretty effective ?
Also can we consider the FFL as one ? Or at some point during its history ?
are you sure you want to teach them how to fight?
Penal labor can be useful. For example, reducing labor costs post-war cleaning up rubble, clearing mine fields, retrieving and burying corpses, etc. POWs are free labor besides their food and board, and if they refuse to work you just deny them those things until they die or work.
>German Empire doesn't use penal units and ends the war without the homeland being invaded.
>Nazi German Empire uses penal unuts and ends with the leaders committing suicide and Germany invaded
Why do people worship the Nazis when they were losers compared to what came before?
Teenagers lack a strong sense of self and are drawn to superficial displays of power and authority.
>"There is a man alone, without family, without children, without God...He builds legions but he doesn’t build a nation. A nation is created by families, a religion, tradition: it is made up out of the hearts of mothers, the wisdom of fathers, the joy and the exuberance of children. [Of Germany under Hitler he says]...an all-swallowing State, disdainful of human dignities and the ancient structure of our race, sets itself up in place of everything else. And the man who, alone, incorporates in himself this whole State, has neither a God to honour nor a dynasty to conserve, nor a past to consult...
>For a few months I was inclined to believe in National Socialism. I thought of it as a necessary fever. And I was gratified to see that there were, associated with it for a time, some of the wisest and most outstanding Germans. But these, one by one, he has got rid of or even killed...He has left nothing but a bunch of shirted gangsters...
>This man could bring home victories to our people each year without bringing them...glory...But of our Germany, which was a nation of poets and musicians and artists and soldiers, he has made a nation of hysterics and hermits, engulfed in a mob and led by a thousand liars or fanatics..."
Wilhelm von Hohenzollern. 15 December 1938
The army where I live used to have a Punishment Battalion, similar to a penal unit, but its where you send soldiers as punishment.
In the 1960s and 1970s it was used mostly to concentrate religious minorities, mostly Jehovah witnesses, because they didn't fit in with the rest of the military and were beaten or bullied (conscription was 2 years long, later reduced to 1, then abolished completely) the idea was, if these minorities were surrounded by other minorities, they would perform better. the island where the garrison was had a high population of poisonous snakes and the water is very cold during winter, so they couldn't escape.
well the punishment battalion had the opposite effect, and they were banned from having weapons, because they kept shooting themselves after being beaten or raped by the people in charge.
the garrison was later disbanded
our government did a very good job of hiding the whole thing and pretending it never happened, but close to the garrison there is a huge cementery, the tombs with crooked crosses indicate the person buried there committed suicide (90% of the crosses are crooked lel)
>mostly Jehovah witnesses
it's probably because "j-dubs" (as the kids call themselves) are not supposed/allowed to join the military and is grounds for disfellowship in their Kingdom Hall
t. dated two witness girls
one had a brother that joined the Army during the GWOT and was deployed in Afghanistan twice
My IDF girls will end them.
>unironically is probably more competent
All low cards there.. i fold
Boo, bring back the JIDF psyop insta-thots
You can just tell that sergeant was his cell blocks alpha rapist
Just don’t refer to them as suicide squads while their in earshot and you should be fine
meatshields, keep them away from civilians, don't rely on them to win battles, make sure they die before the war ends
>give a bunch of rapists, pedos and assorted scum weapons and booze
>they act like degenarates and animals
who could have predicted?
I always see this or really any pic of dirlewanger troopers and I hear GG Allen in my head.
Oskar was GG of his time.
Yes, see Penonel (P.)issi at the WC
Lmao at all the edgy retards praising the Oskar's Grenadiers. They suffered massive fucking losses during the Warsaw Uprising fighting against literal molotov-equipped teenagers.
>retards praising the Oskar's Grenadiers
can you point to some anons doing that?
Only if they're so cucked they don't immediately turn their weapons on you (see Russia).
better than free kick units