Paras didn't jump though which is what I think he means. They landed via amphibious vehicles like the Marines. Pretty sure they made a jump in Iraq though but I'm not 100% on that.
>Operation Northern Delay occurred on 26 March 2003 as part of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. It involved dropping paratroopers into Northern Iraq. It was the last large-scale combat parachute operation conducted by the U.S. military since Operation Just Cause.
The only successful drops since 1960 have been in Africa
Even then the vast majority of airborne ops have been by helicopter, para drops putside of limited special forces insertions are not credible
>Year 2028 >you're part of a gurilla force moving through the jungle >above you something peirced the speed of sound >less than 6 seconds later you hear numerous thuds from objects crashing into the ground near by around you >4 6 man teams of exosuit SF ambush you from each direction
Government is just waiting on tech which will bring you to the ground in less than 10 seconds alive and with a functioning spine.
It would be their wettest dream to drop a soilder with an exosuit anywhere in the world
What style of drop pod will be more popular in the future? >ODST style personal pods with just enough room for one dude and his kit
or >Astartes style 2 story building pod that can fit the whole squad, all the gear they might need and some point defence weaponry to boot
Depending on how Tech evolves of course, but more likely a pod with multiple soldiers in it.
Makes the entire operation and equipment more efficient.
Each soldier having a multi-million dollar landing pod is super-inneficient.
But also one the size of a small building will be quite unrealistic.
The more weight it has, the harder it lands, and the harder it lands the more you risk breaking it and the people inside.
So a medium size pod with a squad of between 5 to 8 soldiers would probably be optimal.
But then again, we know nothing of this kind of tech.
They did try to make tankettes that could be parachuted, as an example of this kind of tech, but it was unreliable and the tanks would often break on impact and often needed repairs to become functionnal again.
Qs for parachute persons:
1. What is the injury rate (%) of drops like this? I assume there are usually some twisted/broken lower limbage.
2. The Fallschirmjaeger style exit (more of a horizontalish spread eagle) isn't used now afaik - why is that?
If no one answers these questions, disabled Russian orphans and their comfort puppies will continue to die in HIMARS strikes.
Depends on conditions but hovers around 10%. Source my eyeballs >schmittyjeagermanjensen exit
From what I can tell they exit the same way everyone does in static line mass exit. Your body position should be neither horizontal or spread eagle unless you're free jumping. It is used it just isn't used with static lines because it possibly ruins your life if you exit like a tard
Doing the "military tuck" is the ideal way to exit until you're under canopy, since it provides the lowest risk of getting limbs caught on chute lines. The landing, however, is what determines whether or not you walk away without any broken bones. Paratroops are trained pretty extensively to distribute the impact force of the fall with the PLF landing technique, but a lot of inexperienced dudes will forget in the moment of impact and get their one-way ticket to Snap City.
Also >I assume there are usually some twisted/broken lower limbage.
Legs are most common because they usually hit the ground first but every part of the body is routinely injured doing this. Seen feet knees legs pelvis ribs vertebrae arms heads you name it. Not always skeletal. I remember one guy got his bicep torn off after his arm got stuck between the line and the skin of the aircraft. Lot of stuff can frick you up doing this
Most of the time is true. I always hated hearing about the PLF gift from god when I jumped like there is no PLF on the planet that can save you from a high rate of descent or random low altitude emergencies. Even a well done one is iffy at best. All we need is a proper brake is this too much to ask.
They’ve been obsolete everywhere but Africa and Russia for a while now.
IMO most developed nations keep them because of the inherent prestige and in most cases history and tradition behind them. As combat units Id guess they’ve mostly transitioned to mechanized (airborne) infantry
worst is the real trouble starts once the paratroopers land,
you're within enemy territory with minimum ammo and supplies that can only last you a few hours of fighting.
honestly they were obsolete in the 40s
now they're just a joke
>he doesn't know most paratrooper units deploy from helicopters
Maybe in the VDV...
what other country has even deployed paratroopers in the last hundred years
Bongs used them pretty handily during the Falklands.
Also, as for the OP, paratroop operations aren't enacted unless it's a surprise insertion or air dominance is already established.
Paras didn't jump though which is what I think he means. They landed via amphibious vehicles like the Marines. Pretty sure they made a jump in Iraq though but I'm not 100% on that.
I'm pretty sure 82nd Airborne division did a combat jump in Iraq war.
Yeah I was right.
>Operation Northern Delay occurred on 26 March 2003 as part of the 2003 invasion of Iraq. It involved dropping paratroopers into Northern Iraq. It was the last large-scale combat parachute operation conducted by the U.S. military since Operation Just Cause.
Pretty sure the SADF did a few
France in Indochina.
The only successful drops since 1960 have been in Africa
Even then the vast majority of airborne ops have been by helicopter, para drops putside of limited special forces insertions are not credible
>Year 2028
>you're part of a gurilla force moving through the jungle
>above you something peirced the speed of sound
>less than 6 seconds later you hear numerous thuds from objects crashing into the ground near by around you
>4 6 man teams of exosuit SF ambush you from each direction
Government is just waiting on tech which will bring you to the ground in less than 10 seconds alive and with a functioning spine.
It would be their wettest dream to drop a soilder with an exosuit anywhere in the world
>4 6 man teams of exosuit
Will all their appendages be hydraulically assisted?
Ave, frater.
>drowns to death in a swamp due to heavy ass suit and armor
What style of drop pod will be more popular in the future?
>ODST style personal pods with just enough room for one dude and his kit
or
>Astartes style 2 story building pod that can fit the whole squad, all the gear they might need and some point defence weaponry to boot
Depending on how Tech evolves of course, but more likely a pod with multiple soldiers in it.
Makes the entire operation and equipment more efficient.
Each soldier having a multi-million dollar landing pod is super-inneficient.
But also one the size of a small building will be quite unrealistic.
The more weight it has, the harder it lands, and the harder it lands the more you risk breaking it and the people inside.
So a medium size pod with a squad of between 5 to 8 soldiers would probably be optimal.
But then again, we know nothing of this kind of tech.
They did try to make tankettes that could be parachuted, as an example of this kind of tech, but it was unreliable and the tanks would often break on impact and often needed repairs to become functionnal again.
>Those huge planes are easily shot down and falling paratroopers are sitting ducks.
Design the huge planes to be harder to shoot down.
Frankly I'm baffled we saw a contested paradrop in 2022 in the first place.
Where?
He's gotta mean Ukraine
You mean people still believe that bogus video from the first day?
Qs for parachute persons:
1. What is the injury rate (%) of drops like this? I assume there are usually some twisted/broken lower limbage.
2. The Fallschirmjaeger style exit (more of a horizontalish spread eagle) isn't used now afaik - why is that?
If no one answers these questions, disabled Russian orphans and their comfort puppies will continue to die in HIMARS strikes.
Depends on conditions but hovers around 10%. Source my eyeballs
>schmittyjeagermanjensen exit
From what I can tell they exit the same way everyone does in static line mass exit. Your body position should be neither horizontal or spread eagle unless you're free jumping. It is used it just isn't used with static lines because it possibly ruins your life if you exit like a tard
Doing the "military tuck" is the ideal way to exit until you're under canopy, since it provides the lowest risk of getting limbs caught on chute lines. The landing, however, is what determines whether or not you walk away without any broken bones. Paratroops are trained pretty extensively to distribute the impact force of the fall with the PLF landing technique, but a lot of inexperienced dudes will forget in the moment of impact and get their one-way ticket to Snap City.
Also
>I assume there are usually some twisted/broken lower limbage.
Legs are most common because they usually hit the ground first but every part of the body is routinely injured doing this. Seen feet knees legs pelvis ribs vertebrae arms heads you name it. Not always skeletal. I remember one guy got his bicep torn off after his arm got stuck between the line and the skin of the aircraft. Lot of stuff can frick you up doing this
Most of the time is true. I always hated hearing about the PLF gift from god when I jumped like there is no PLF on the planet that can save you from a high rate of descent or random low altitude emergencies. Even a well done one is iffy at best. All we need is a proper brake is this too much to ask.
They’ve been obsolete everywhere but Africa and Russia for a while now.
IMO most developed nations keep them because of the inherent prestige and in most cases history and tradition behind them. As combat units Id guess they’ve mostly transitioned to mechanized (airborne) infantry
>Paratroopers
Obsolete
>Tanks
Obsolete
>Armored spearheads
Obsolete
>Low slow CAS
Obsolete
>Attack helicopters
Obsolete
>IFVs
Obsolete
>OP Mom
Obsolete
Paratroopers are not obsolete, transport planes are.
worst is the real trouble starts once the paratroopers land,
you're within enemy territory with minimum ammo and supplies that can only last you a few hours of fighting.
honestly they were obsolete in the 40s
now they're just a joke
Humans are obsolete. Won't be long before all warfare boils down to practice strikes with robot defenders
If anything, Ukraine has shown that helicopters are more likely to be obsolete than paras.