to use NATO standard magazines
This "standard" didn't even exist when this rifle was created. This "standard" also was never adopted by NATO, it's an unofficial standard theat everybody uses because it was the most abundant after a while
Yes, STANAGs are agreed to individually by member states. Germany did not agree to that particular agreement. My point is unchanged and you are still autistic and German.
You dip shit learn to fricking read. >STANAG 4179 >However, the standard was never ratified and remains a "Draft STANAG"
There exists no process to agree to a draft
They’re made necessary by shortcomings of the rifle’s design. Though in the case of the rifle you posted, is there any reason that top carrying handle or whatever it is can’t be deleted and replaced by a pic rail? Pic rail + interchangeable optics > everything
This. Firearms tech is slow changing. Optics tech is fast changing by comparison. Integrated optics force the user to use outdated optics on an otherwise modern rifle.
In the case of the 36, yes and no. In fact, the dual optic was quite a step up from what most countries got in 1995. Even the US hadn’t reached the “everyone just gets an ACOG right out of Basic” stage. And the optics themselves are pretty decent when they’re in good condition. The 3x has a bit of a shit eyebox, but it is very very small, smaller than a Primary Arms micro 3x, except it’s nearly 30 years old. And the reticle is pretty clever. I personally prefer a BelOMO 4x17 on the folding BUIS rail though. >t. Has owned 3 real G36s.
Imo, the flaw in the G36 is how the optics package or rail mounts to the receiver. It slides on and secured with three screws. It WORKS, but it will never inspire confidence like just bolting an ACOG to a rail machined into a receiver will. But maybe I’m just autistic.
Here is the thing US trialed optics during ACR rifle trials in 1991 and didn't find them providing advantage at medium ranges (till 300 meters). And we are talking about much better scopes: Elcan and Acog prototypes. This plastic shit? I doubt
As an ex-grunt myself, I would much prefer an optic, even a mid-tier one, for anything beyond close range frickery. It’s just too much of an important tool to have. And the Hensoldt package may be very mid-tier by today’s standards, but the stacked setup was VERY forward thinking. No, I’d say it was a pretty impressive step up, especially for a conscript rifle.
>And the optics themselves are pretty decent when they’re in good condition.
My man they're built funnier than early 2000s airsoft optics.
t. has swapped the optical insert in mine, it's literally a plastic fricking tube that maintains zero via 1 spring and 2 set screws holding said tube in place.
"Losing zero" is not an "if", it's a "when" and "by how much".
Hensoldt had no business being awarded this contract.
The "red dot" is hilarious, too, it has 1 brightness setting (that you can bump up for exactly 30 seconds), and it's literally just a fiber optic with a LED stuck inside of it.
Don't get me wrong, the G36 is a pretty good rifle and the idea behind the optic is great (and it looks cool as frick), but damn, the execution is downright toy-like.
It's good for its purpose: Giving every infantry solider a rifle with an optic for cheap.
It's just pointless to hold a 30 year old mass produced service rifle to modern civillian competition standards.
Instead of comparing it to modern competition AR-15, it should be compared to a 90's M16/M4
>RKS USA / HKPro be like “give us $2000 for this you fricking HK goy”
https://i.imgur.com/px4gr1K.jpg
Imo, the flaw in the G36 is how the optics package or rail mounts to the receiver. It slides on and secured with three screws. It WORKS, but it will never inspire confidence like just bolting an ACOG to a rail machined into a receiver will. But maybe I’m just autistic.
>HKPro be like “give us $2000 for this
Make that $3000 goy :^)
https://hkparts.net/product/g36-hk-dual-3x-optic-carrying-handle-new-p17606.htm/
I spent like 850 Eur on eGun and I was perfectly aware they were ripping me the frick off, I couldn't imagine spending nearly $3k on it lmao
>No clip magazines
Most based thing in that image. I need to get my hands on some.
And yeah, the dual optic is kinda cheap, but it looks cool and functions decent, so frick it, gimmie that ‘90s SOVL to match my P90.
I actually wanted the OG clip+rim ones for 90's look, but G36 mags turned out to be surprisingly hard to get at all.
They pop up on eGun pretty often, search for "G36 HKV" / "hauptkampfvisier" or just "visier".
Some sellers ship abroad, some won't so you could go through your buddy or use a forwarding service (I used it before to forward my stuff to EU when the seller didn't want to ship outside of Germany).
Not if they are the right optic for every situation.
>adopt a NATO standard cartridge
>refuse to use NATO standard magazines
Jawohl
we are funny like that
to use NATO standard magazines
This "standard" didn't even exist when this rifle was created. This "standard" also was never adopted by NATO, it's an unofficial standard theat everybody uses because it was the most abundant after a while
Yes, STANAGs are agreed to individually by member states. Germany did not agree to that particular agreement. My point is unchanged and you are still autistic and German.
You dip shit learn to fricking read.
>STANAG 4179
>However, the standard was never ratified and remains a "Draft STANAG"
There exists no process to agree to a draft
They’re made necessary by shortcomings of the rifle’s design. Though in the case of the rifle you posted, is there any reason that top carrying handle or whatever it is can’t be deleted and replaced by a pic rail? Pic rail + interchangeable optics > everything
poorly done integrated optics are bad.
properly done integrated optics are good.
these optics aren't "integrated" as much as "attached"
they are easily replaceable, and nothing is stopping hk or the bw from buying better optics
these are integrated
>have to take shit off and attach a new part with a rail to put other optics on both guns
seems rather integrated to me
aug's optics are not removable
g36's optic mount would take any other optic, provided it's still using the same mounting
They were a great idea in the 90's. they are a bad idea today
now they are, but they were quite innovative back when they were adopted.
What advantages would modern integrated optics even bring to the table?
these are not integrated tho. It would actually improve them if they were since their 'anchor' point or whatever was so extremely shitty
Currently yeah, typically a lot of 1913 compatible scopes run circles around them. However back in the day they were a great idea
they were good when they came out, but after 20 years they became trash and outdated and 30 years later we still are forced to use them
This. Firearms tech is slow changing. Optics tech is fast changing by comparison. Integrated optics force the user to use outdated optics on an otherwise modern rifle.
Integrated optics on a mass service rifle was revolutionary in the 90s.
Don't know but they look really cool
In the case of the 36, yes and no. In fact, the dual optic was quite a step up from what most countries got in 1995. Even the US hadn’t reached the “everyone just gets an ACOG right out of Basic” stage. And the optics themselves are pretty decent when they’re in good condition. The 3x has a bit of a shit eyebox, but it is very very small, smaller than a Primary Arms micro 3x, except it’s nearly 30 years old. And the reticle is pretty clever. I personally prefer a BelOMO 4x17 on the folding BUIS rail though.
>t. Has owned 3 real G36s.
Imo, the flaw in the G36 is how the optics package or rail mounts to the receiver. It slides on and secured with three screws. It WORKS, but it will never inspire confidence like just bolting an ACOG to a rail machined into a receiver will. But maybe I’m just autistic.
Here is the thing US trialed optics during ACR rifle trials in 1991 and didn't find them providing advantage at medium ranges (till 300 meters). And we are talking about much better scopes: Elcan and Acog prototypes. This plastic shit? I doubt
As an ex-grunt myself, I would much prefer an optic, even a mid-tier one, for anything beyond close range frickery. It’s just too much of an important tool to have. And the Hensoldt package may be very mid-tier by today’s standards, but the stacked setup was VERY forward thinking. No, I’d say it was a pretty impressive step up, especially for a conscript rifle.
>And the optics themselves are pretty decent when they’re in good condition.
My man they're built funnier than early 2000s airsoft optics.
t. has swapped the optical insert in mine, it's literally a plastic fricking tube that maintains zero via 1 spring and 2 set screws holding said tube in place.
"Losing zero" is not an "if", it's a "when" and "by how much".
Hensoldt had no business being awarded this contract.
The "red dot" is hilarious, too, it has 1 brightness setting (that you can bump up for exactly 30 seconds), and it's literally just a fiber optic with a LED stuck inside of it.
Don't get me wrong, the G36 is a pretty good rifle and the idea behind the optic is great (and it looks cool as frick), but damn, the execution is downright toy-like.
>No clip magazines
Most based thing in that image. I need to get my hands on some.
And yeah, the dual optic is kinda cheap, but it looks cool and functions decent, so frick it, gimmie that ‘90s SOVL to match my P90.
It's good for its purpose: Giving every infantry solider a rifle with an optic for cheap.
It's just pointless to hold a 30 year old mass produced service rifle to modern civillian competition standards.
Instead of comparing it to modern competition AR-15, it should be compared to a 90's M16/M4
>Instead of comparing it to modern competition AR-15, it should be compared to a 90's M16/M4
How about comparing it to a rifle that did the same thing better, and 20 years earlier?
>RKS USA / HKPro be like “give us $2000 for this you fricking HK goy”
This setup fricks hard. Hot damn that is slick.
>HKPro be like “give us $2000 for this
Make that $3000 goy :^)
https://hkparts.net/product/g36-hk-dual-3x-optic-carrying-handle-new-p17606.htm/
I spent like 850 Eur on eGun and I was perfectly aware they were ripping me the frick off, I couldn't imagine spending nearly $3k on it lmao
I actually wanted the OG clip+rim ones for 90's look, but G36 mags turned out to be surprisingly hard to get at all.
HKParts are turbo-Jews. If I could find one in Europe for a good price, I’d get a buddy to mail it to me.
They pop up on eGun pretty often, search for "G36 HKV" / "hauptkampfvisier" or just "visier".
Some sellers ship abroad, some won't so you could go through your buddy or use a forwarding service (I used it before to forward my stuff to EU when the seller didn't want to ship outside of Germany).
yeah, because they end up getting outdated pretty quickly compared to the service life of the rifle