You say this like it isn’t true when in reality it’s how things truly are. When america does an advanced project like this they make sure they can actually afford to make them and make them to acceptable specs.
When turdies and chinks make a vehicle they’ll spend half their development budget on embezzling, a third on marketing and the rest on making 3 or 4 of them to use in parades for 10-20 years before repeating the cycle.
>When turdies and chinks make a vehicle they’ll spend half their development budget on embezzling, a third on marketing and the rest on making 3 or 4 of them to use in parades for 10-20 years before repeating the cycle.
lmfao sounds the like the f22, the f35, the zoomerwalt, the US hypseronic programs (all 3) and just about any other recent western aquisition
F22 went into full rate production and does what is says on the box. F34 is about to be one of the most produced fighters ever. Zumwalt was just navy futurists getting the future wrong.
Zumwalt and hypersonics are good examples of this. When a wunderwaffe doesn't work, it gets axed and replaced with something else. When it does work, it goes into mass production
Which is the difference between the US and China. We can freely admit we completely fricked up and do an about course. They cant, because there is a deep fragility with China and despite "saving face" not historically being a Chinese thing they have made it a Chinese thing.
>When a wunderwaffe doesn't work, it gets axed and replaced with something else.
may i see what it was replaced with?
how many more congressional failure reports will it take?
zumwalt was never a "wunderwaffe" in any sense of the word.
>zumwalt was never a "wunderwaffe" in any sense of the word.
youre right, but it was supposed to be
lmfao, couldnt even make the ammo for the gun, it was too expensive and too impractical, funniest part is, no one thought to ask/answer that question during construction, and just went with hopes&dreams as an IRL strategy
Cute bait
Please remind me of how many Sukhoi and Mig were produced in the last 10 years.
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3704808/f-35-program-achieves-milestone-c-and-full-rate-production/
>haha, we produced #xxxxx f35! spare parts? nawwwwwwwwwwww hell no, just buy another finished jet! easy!
>lmfao, couldnt even make the ammo for the gun, it was too expensive and too impractical, funniest part is, no one thought to ask/answer that question during construction, and just went with hopes&dreams as an IRL strategy
People who know the least always talk the loudest. If you had spent 30 seconds on google you would know that the issue with the ammo arose because they went from building a couple dozen to three so the ammo order went from tens of thousands to thousands. economies of scale came into play and the price per round sky rocketed.
Had they completed the full Zum project and built all the hulls they intended then ppr would not have been an issue.
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>t the issue with the ammo arose because they went from building a couple dozen to three so the ammo order went from tens of thousands to thousands. economies of scale came into play and the price per round sky rocketed.
^so they couldnt make the ammo, got it
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Anonymous
your language comprehension skills are either moron-tier or you are just deliberately misunderstanding the situation so that can grind some gay little axe. stfu you goddamn idiot.
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He's an assblasted tankie that skims the russoid and chinkoid analogs to /k/ in order to seem less out-of-place.
Ignore it, anon.
It's not so much that hypersonics aren't a wunderwaffe, it's just it's a very expensive and unstoppable weapon with a single legit purpose - killing extremely high value targets. Now the only such targets in existence are carriers.
The reason why the US didn't have operational hypersonics is because the only legit targets it could've used them against would've been its own carrier fleet, which would've been an incredible self own - demonstrating your supremacy through your unique capabilities, and simultaneously proving those wunderwaffe of yours are very very killable.
The same thing happened with air defenses and anti stealth radars - until legitimate targets popped up, and the enemies had the capability, it made no sense for the US to field its own.
Please remind me of how many Sukhoi and Mig were produced in the last 10 years.
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3704808/f-35-program-achieves-milestone-c-and-full-rate-production/
>Please remind me of how many Sukhoi and Mig were produced in the last 10 years.
A million billion. We will never run out *~~ xaxaxaxaxa )) crests are finished in the ass
>right colon
Holy shit, every russian really does type exactly the same. Do they make you people in a fricking lab or something? Are you going to flood eastern europe with a horde of cloneBlack folk?
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colon >Holy shit, every russian really does type exactly the same.
it has to do with the layout of slav letters on a phone. I took a semi-deep dive into the slav side of the interwebs at around 2014, and this wasn't a thing. It was with the advent of cheap(er) touchphones and the prolipheration of communication apps that made texting cheap that the normies started to *~~*~~))
In reality, the chinks get a lot more out of every dollar they spend, embezzlement is discouraged because even if you're part of the pseudo-royalty the other princes will use it to throw you under the bus in order to elevate themselves and they spend frick all on marketing, they also have no problem mass producing their stuff.
Nice projection anon.
China has endemic corruption. >how do you know
I worked in a startup a while ago. We were looking to open production in China. During the negotiations the factory owner was telling us about overheads and produced some accounting. He had a line items for bribes. A bribe for the fire department for a safety certificate. A bribe for the city to get a certificate for food preparation in the cafeteria. A bribe for the city to get occupancy permits. And this dude wasnt some provincial dweeb in Anhui. This was just outside Shanghai, Chinas prestige city.
Oh, and then we had to get a guy who is like our bribe man to get all our shit done with the government. I cant remember what the name was but there is a Chinese word for what he does. He's basically a dude who is friends with all the different government beurocrats and the cities elite. So, if you need permits or you want your kid to get in a good school you call him and he goes and sets it all up for you and the cost is the x (the bribe) plus 15% or whatever. And that's all he does all day. Of all the people I met in China our bribe-man was my favorite. He was such a G, saved us from getting into a bad deal with a factory owner and introduced us to some investors (for free), all he wanted in return was that we direct people to him.
>embezzlement is discouraged
Everyone point and laugh at this clown. Here's the racket in China. >you get contract to make x for 10$ >you pocket 7$ and subcontract for 3$ >the subcontractor pockets 2$ and subsubcontracts it for 1$
The bigger the number the larger the Russian nesting doll of chink corruption.
China's corruption is cultural, if you can lie and cheat to get ahead you do it. This is why anti corruption crackdowns is just a more tasteful way of saying purges. If everyone is corrupt its a blank check to be cashed when convenient.
china does it >no footage of testing >"100% perfect flawless just trust me bro." >what little we do get to see clearly isnt up to what is claimed >never get used despite being better than all competition
US testing >HD footage of rigorous testing >Failures and errors made open knowledge >get deployed and filmed doing what they were designed to do >failures in the field also get reported and improvements also made open knowledge
Actual hypersonics that stay hypersonic in the terminal phase and can manoeuvre aren't a meme, no
Russian "hypersonic" weapons that are only hypersonic in their cruise phase, aren't real hypersonics.
Depends on definition. Real hypersonics will probably not be a meme, but the shit russians and chinks claim as "hypersonics" are pretty much a shitty meme from WW2 era.
It is kind of a marketing ploy at the moment. The DF-21 is just a Pershing with a body kit, and those were retired for being obsolescent in what, 1980?
Shit, the AIM-54 Phoenix was hypersonic if released in the upper 20% or so of the F-14's performance envelope. So a 1960s design and 1970 production AC could (and occasionally did) carry 6 'hypersonic missiles'. It's not really a new or revolutionary thing.
somewhat.
they're viable for stationary targets and targets that are likely to move within short notice (VIPs).
as anti-ship weapons they're currently a meme though since it's cheaper and easier to just build lots of cruise missiles and that's not going to change any time soon.
Based 100+ IQ posters. They are always marketed as Carrier Killers which is about the worst possible target for a hypersonic and is going to have close to 0 pK even in frick-hueg volleys. Anderson is going to have a bad day though.
It seems the US is putting a lot more black-budget effort into straight up hypersonic aircraft, which is a lot better use of the technology. It forces IADS to use the expensive part of the kill-chain (the SAM) en masse with very low pK to attempt an engagement, as opposed to stealth with tries to defeat the basically free part of the IADS kill chain, the radiation itself. That math doesn't really work for hypersonic missiles, since you have a very good idea of where they are trying to get to and what path they will take to do it. Not so much with a notional SR-72 etc.
they're viable for stationary targets and targets that are likely to move within short notice (VIPs).
as anti-ship weapons they're currently a meme though since it's cheaper and easier to just build lots of cruise missiles and that's not going to change any time soon.
Yes. It's not the fact that the missile is hypersonic that is actually important, it's that it navigates fast, low, and unpredictably within the atmosphere. Ballistic missiles are easy (relatively speaking) to detect and intercept. Thus "hypersonic" is just a buzz word, unless the missile also flies low, is inter-continental and also can evade threats.
Its also kind of moot because a mass hypersonic launch is probably going to be assumed to be a nuclear strike so your chances of nuclear retaliation happening in error are extremely high.
Sorta. ABM systems are designed with hypersonic speeds in mind. Lockheed just unveiled an air launched hypersonic but they're so stingy with the details it's probably a meme.
Yes. US built the Sprint missile as an anti-ballistic missile weapon in the 70s. It accelerated at 100g and could achieve Mach 10. The US has had the ability to make unthinkable fast weapons systems for over 50 years, but we only spend money on systems that have an at least theoretically meaningful use case.
If we really needed hypersonics, we'd have them. That tech is all in the archives. Lockheed could shit out an air-launched Sprint-like missile which could be deployed from a B1 or something faster than Russoids can mutter 'two more weeks'.
HGVs are what should be the focus and is what China has poured R&D into. Yes hypersonics are old news from the cold war but that's not what people are talking about when they mention hypersonics today
Boost gliders are just a flight path evolution of a MARV. They trade raw speed for unpredictability and difficult to hit trajectories. Gliding the way that they do and doing terminal maneuvers bleeds too much energy and because they sit so much lower in the atmosphere where air is thicker they aren't the Mach 12 silver bullets they get made out to be. The glide phase interceptor program just wants to hit them before they start doing terminal maneuvers because it's easier, that requires a lot more range than what current standard missiles have and doesn't mean there's a capability gap in actually hitting them. Boost gliders are an attempt to make yourself harder to see and engage at an optimal time or position, in exchange for a slower overall weapon during the terminal phase. Things like LRHW that are claimed to go Mach 17 probably really do in portions of their flight but during the terminal phase are significantly slower. There's advantages in being a rapid reaction weapon for high value shit, and they make air defense work harder but these are still very much salvo weapons.
Now Scramjets are definitely more threatening and have implications beyond just missile technology that stem into aircraft. At the end up the day there's always counters and evolutions for everything and spam is still king.
Right? These look so cool. Seeing all the missiles get shot down by the aegis. It’s too bad (war is bad) that this is only fantasy. The world would be in some deep shit if this was to actually happen. Any world where U.S carriers are fighting battles like this would mean some bad news for a lot of people. And death for a lot more.
US bases are being protected with multiple layered and networked ABM systems such as Patriot and THAAD not to mention SM-3 on ships in the region.
Unless it’s a massive saturation attack hypersonics aren’t that major of a threat anymore. Maneuvering low-altitude hypersonics like ARRW are a different matter.
It's a meme until the US does it, when the US does something it stops being a meme and it becomes legit.
Unironically this
>Unironically
are you unoutside?
Post your unwhite hands
>It's a meme until the US does it, when the US does something it stops being a meme and it becomes legit.
THIS^
which is why the pathetic little "mako" thread was hilarious yesterday
You say this like it isn’t true when in reality it’s how things truly are. When america does an advanced project like this they make sure they can actually afford to make them and make them to acceptable specs.
When turdies and chinks make a vehicle they’ll spend half their development budget on embezzling, a third on marketing and the rest on making 3 or 4 of them to use in parades for 10-20 years before repeating the cycle.
>When turdies and chinks make a vehicle they’ll spend half their development budget on embezzling, a third on marketing and the rest on making 3 or 4 of them to use in parades for 10-20 years before repeating the cycle.
lmfao sounds the like the f22, the f35, the zoomerwalt, the US hypseronic programs (all 3) and just about any other recent western aquisition
F22 went into full rate production and does what is says on the box. F34 is about to be one of the most produced fighters ever. Zumwalt was just navy futurists getting the future wrong.
Zumwalt and hypersonics are good examples of this. When a wunderwaffe doesn't work, it gets axed and replaced with something else. When it does work, it goes into mass production
Which is the difference between the US and China. We can freely admit we completely fricked up and do an about course. They cant, because there is a deep fragility with China and despite "saving face" not historically being a Chinese thing they have made it a Chinese thing.
zumwalt was never a "wunderwaffe" in any sense of the word.
>When a wunderwaffe doesn't work, it gets axed and replaced with something else.
may i see what it was replaced with?
how many more congressional failure reports will it take?
>zumwalt was never a "wunderwaffe" in any sense of the word.
youre right, but it was supposed to be
lmfao, couldnt even make the ammo for the gun, it was too expensive and too impractical, funniest part is, no one thought to ask/answer that question during construction, and just went with hopes&dreams as an IRL strategy
>haha, we produced #xxxxx f35! spare parts? nawwwwwwwwwwww hell no, just buy another finished jet! easy!
>may i see what it was replaced with?
Arleigh flight 3 and later the DDGX class
It's the arleigh class. It was running against the zummie.
Like the f 22/f23 competition. F 22 won. Same exact thing here.
So what blew up in Russia. You are going around mass rage replying in threads
>lmfao, couldnt even make the ammo for the gun, it was too expensive and too impractical, funniest part is, no one thought to ask/answer that question during construction, and just went with hopes&dreams as an IRL strategy
People who know the least always talk the loudest. If you had spent 30 seconds on google you would know that the issue with the ammo arose because they went from building a couple dozen to three so the ammo order went from tens of thousands to thousands. economies of scale came into play and the price per round sky rocketed.
Had they completed the full Zum project and built all the hulls they intended then ppr would not have been an issue.
>t the issue with the ammo arose because they went from building a couple dozen to three so the ammo order went from tens of thousands to thousands. economies of scale came into play and the price per round sky rocketed.
^so they couldnt make the ammo, got it
your language comprehension skills are either moron-tier or you are just deliberately misunderstanding the situation so that can grind some gay little axe. stfu you goddamn idiot.
He's an assblasted tankie that skims the russoid and chinkoid analogs to /k/ in order to seem less out-of-place.
Ignore it, anon.
>but it was supposed to be
only in your imagination
It's not so much that hypersonics aren't a wunderwaffe, it's just it's a very expensive and unstoppable weapon with a single legit purpose - killing extremely high value targets. Now the only such targets in existence are carriers.
The reason why the US didn't have operational hypersonics is because the only legit targets it could've used them against would've been its own carrier fleet, which would've been an incredible self own - demonstrating your supremacy through your unique capabilities, and simultaneously proving those wunderwaffe of yours are very very killable.
The same thing happened with air defenses and anti stealth radars - until legitimate targets popped up, and the enemies had the capability, it made no sense for the US to field its own.
The same thing is going on with drones.
Cute bait
Please remind me of how many Sukhoi and Mig were produced in the last 10 years.
https://www.defense.gov/News/Releases/Release/Article/3704808/f-35-program-achieves-milestone-c-and-full-rate-production/
>Please remind me of how many Sukhoi and Mig were produced in the last 10 years.
A million billion. We will never run out *~~ xaxaxaxaxa )) crests are finished in the ass
>right colon
Holy shit, every russian really does type exactly the same. Do they make you people in a fricking lab or something? Are you going to flood eastern europe with a horde of cloneBlack folk?
colon
>Holy shit, every russian really does type exactly the same.
it has to do with the layout of slav letters on a phone. I took a semi-deep dive into the slav side of the interwebs at around 2014, and this wasn't a thing. It was with the advent of cheap(er) touchphones and the prolipheration of communication apps that made texting cheap that the normies started to *~~*~~))
Ye old forumes never had this.
>describes two successful projects and two projects dropped for good reason
You mean like the LCS, Zumwalt?
In reality, the chinks get a lot more out of every dollar they spend, embezzlement is discouraged because even if you're part of the pseudo-royalty the other princes will use it to throw you under the bus in order to elevate themselves and they spend frick all on marketing, they also have no problem mass producing their stuff.
Nice projection anon.
This guy.
China has endemic corruption.
>how do you know
I worked in a startup a while ago. We were looking to open production in China. During the negotiations the factory owner was telling us about overheads and produced some accounting. He had a line items for bribes. A bribe for the fire department for a safety certificate. A bribe for the city to get a certificate for food preparation in the cafeteria. A bribe for the city to get occupancy permits. And this dude wasnt some provincial dweeb in Anhui. This was just outside Shanghai, Chinas prestige city.
Oh, and then we had to get a guy who is like our bribe man to get all our shit done with the government. I cant remember what the name was but there is a Chinese word for what he does. He's basically a dude who is friends with all the different government beurocrats and the cities elite. So, if you need permits or you want your kid to get in a good school you call him and he goes and sets it all up for you and the cost is the x (the bribe) plus 15% or whatever. And that's all he does all day. Of all the people I met in China our bribe-man was my favorite. He was such a G, saved us from getting into a bad deal with a factory owner and introduced us to some investors (for free), all he wanted in return was that we direct people to him.
>I cant remember what the name was but there is a Chinese word for what he does.
Guanxi?
>our bribe man
china namba wan
Reminds me of pic related.
>embezzlement is discouraged
Everyone point and laugh at this clown. Here's the racket in China.
>you get contract to make x for 10$
>you pocket 7$ and subcontract for 3$
>the subcontractor pockets 2$ and subsubcontracts it for 1$
The bigger the number the larger the Russian nesting doll of chink corruption.
China's corruption is cultural, if you can lie and cheat to get ahead you do it. This is why anti corruption crackdowns is just a more tasteful way of saying purges. If everyone is corrupt its a blank check to be cashed when convenient.
china does it
>no footage of testing
>"100% perfect flawless just trust me bro."
>what little we do get to see clearly isnt up to what is claimed
>never get used despite being better than all competition
US testing
>HD footage of rigorous testing
>Failures and errors made open knowledge
>get deployed and filmed doing what they were designed to do
>failures in the field also get reported and improvements also made open knowledge
"Hypersonic missiles", as they are referred to are just 1960s era variations of ballistic missiles
Actual hypersonics that stay hypersonic in the terminal phase and can manoeuvre aren't a meme, no
Russian "hypersonic" weapons that are only hypersonic in their cruise phase, aren't real hypersonics.
Depends on definition. Real hypersonics will probably not be a meme, but the shit russians and chinks claim as "hypersonics" are pretty much a shitty meme from WW2 era.
What's the problem?: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-ballistic_atmospheric_entry
... You know himars fires non ballistic hypersonics right?
That's why we make fun of Russians
Glmrs are non ballistic hypersonics....
It's literally right there.
depends how much maneuvering they can do while remaining hypersonic
>Are hypersonic missiles a meme?
For fricking brutalizing every single US military base in the Pacific? Frick no, serious problem.
For hitting carriers in 2fast2furious mode at 30+ knots? Lol, no.
It is kind of a marketing ploy at the moment. The DF-21 is just a Pershing with a body kit, and those were retired for being obsolescent in what, 1980?
Shit, the AIM-54 Phoenix was hypersonic if released in the upper 20% or so of the F-14's performance envelope. So a 1960s design and 1970 production AC could (and occasionally did) carry 6 'hypersonic missiles'. It's not really a new or revolutionary thing.
Based 100+ IQ posters. They are always marketed as Carrier Killers which is about the worst possible target for a hypersonic and is going to have close to 0 pK even in frick-hueg volleys. Anderson is going to have a bad day though.
It seems the US is putting a lot more black-budget effort into straight up hypersonic aircraft, which is a lot better use of the technology. It forces IADS to use the expensive part of the kill-chain (the SAM) en masse with very low pK to attempt an engagement, as opposed to stealth with tries to defeat the basically free part of the IADS kill chain, the radiation itself. That math doesn't really work for hypersonic missiles, since you have a very good idea of where they are trying to get to and what path they will take to do it. Not so much with a notional SR-72 etc.
Is it SIWS or KIWS?
somewhat.
they're viable for stationary targets and targets that are likely to move within short notice (VIPs).
as anti-ship weapons they're currently a meme though since it's cheaper and easier to just build lots of cruise missiles and that's not going to change any time soon.
>Are hypersonic missiles a meme?
See
It's the running joke of the war.
Yes. It's not the fact that the missile is hypersonic that is actually important, it's that it navigates fast, low, and unpredictably within the atmosphere. Ballistic missiles are easy (relatively speaking) to detect and intercept. Thus "hypersonic" is just a buzz word, unless the missile also flies low, is inter-continental and also can evade threats.
Its also kind of moot because a mass hypersonic launch is probably going to be assumed to be a nuclear strike so your chances of nuclear retaliation happening in error are extremely high.
I unironically like this artist since we don't get nearly enough modern war/tom Clancy art.
>hypersanic
no, they are OLD NEWS
Sorta. ABM systems are designed with hypersonic speeds in mind. Lockheed just unveiled an air launched hypersonic but they're so stingy with the details it's probably a meme.
Yes. US built the Sprint missile as an anti-ballistic missile weapon in the 70s. It accelerated at 100g and could achieve Mach 10. The US has had the ability to make unthinkable fast weapons systems for over 50 years, but we only spend money on systems that have an at least theoretically meaningful use case.
If we really needed hypersonics, we'd have them. That tech is all in the archives. Lockheed could shit out an air-launched Sprint-like missile which could be deployed from a B1 or something faster than Russoids can mutter 'two more weeks'.
HGVs are what should be the focus and is what China has poured R&D into. Yes hypersonics are old news from the cold war but that's not what people are talking about when they mention hypersonics today
Boost gliders are just a flight path evolution of a MARV. They trade raw speed for unpredictability and difficult to hit trajectories. Gliding the way that they do and doing terminal maneuvers bleeds too much energy and because they sit so much lower in the atmosphere where air is thicker they aren't the Mach 12 silver bullets they get made out to be. The glide phase interceptor program just wants to hit them before they start doing terminal maneuvers because it's easier, that requires a lot more range than what current standard missiles have and doesn't mean there's a capability gap in actually hitting them. Boost gliders are an attempt to make yourself harder to see and engage at an optimal time or position, in exchange for a slower overall weapon during the terminal phase. Things like LRHW that are claimed to go Mach 17 probably really do in portions of their flight but during the terminal phase are significantly slower. There's advantages in being a rapid reaction weapon for high value shit, and they make air defense work harder but these are still very much salvo weapons.
Now Scramjets are definitely more threatening and have implications beyond just missile technology that stem into aircraft. At the end up the day there's always counters and evolutions for everything and spam is still king.
Beautiful painting.
Where can I buy one and frame it?
Right? These look so cool. Seeing all the missiles get shot down by the aegis. It’s too bad (war is bad) that this is only fantasy. The world would be in some deep shit if this was to actually happen. Any world where U.S carriers are fighting battles like this would mean some bad news for a lot of people. And death for a lot more.
why are they all on the deck in the middle of a missile duel
US bases are being protected with multiple layered and networked ABM systems such as Patriot and THAAD not to mention SM-3 on ships in the region.
Unless it’s a massive saturation attack hypersonics aren’t that major of a threat anymore. Maneuvering low-altitude hypersonics like ARRW are a different matter.
It would take at least 20 to sink a carrier.
The eastoid """hypersonics""" are a total meme that get countered by 40 year old SAMs.
>hypersonic maneuvering vehicles
No
>calling anything that exceeds mach 5 "hypersonic"
Yes
They're Implessive