By 'safer' he means less likely to damage the gun, not 'could theoretically do this ninja move at the last second to stop it from going off so it wins'
11 months ago
Anonymous
What centerfire hammer fired guns can get damaged by dryfiring?
By 'safer' he means less likely to damage the gun, not 'could theoretically do this ninja move at the last second to stop it from going off so it wins'
I have had 2 guns damaged by dry firing one was a .22 revolver and the other was a glock, both guns had the firing pin break, granted this was after maybe 10,000 dry fires. None of my hammer autos have had any issues with dry firing despite being used as much if not more than the ones that broke.
Yes it was a quick and simple fix but I now have reservations to dry firing my striker guns after that. Would the firing pin have broken during normal fire? Probably but it didn't and I can't shake that now.
I would say so if any double actions fricking existed in the micro compact/extended micro compact format
P365XL/Shield Plus 4in is the best 9mm form factor. But no hammer guns in that size. Frick off CSX doesn't count. Double action is needed.
They don’t exist because the market has shifted to striker guns without safeties. Everyone is copying Glock due to Glock’s massive success. It’s a sad time.
Did you mean DAO revolver? Somewhat related, I'm interested in that M&P 5.7 SAO trigger. If I'm not doing a heavy trigger pull then I want crisp trigger pull. Not that there aren't pristine DA triggers.
Peak midwit, my God. I'd probably give your original mongoloid point more credence if they didn't outfit so many LEOs with striker slops. Otherwise yeah, users of DA variants can be represented with the bell curve meme.
Yes and no. The correct way to dry fire a DA/SA pistol is to pull the first long DA trigger and then pretend to work the reset, and NOT let the trigger go all the way forward. In that regard it's no different that a Glock really, just a little more convenient for when you're doing the first break. That being said striker fired guns can be slightly held out of battery and the trigger will move back and forth too
No, the correct way is to keep doing the DA pull. You can keep click click clicking all day without racking the goddamn slide every time. If you are a pussy and afraid your gun will break use a snap cap.
Okay dude. You know more than Ben Stoeger, Eric Grauffel, Ernest Langdon, JJ Recaza, etc. Someone please relay to those world championship shooters who win with DA/SA guns that an anon on PrepHole knows the correct way of dry firing a DA/SA gun.
>Good handgun shooters in general use SAO >shitters with strikers only practice magdumping at 5 yards >Limited Nats was won by Mason Lane in 2021 with a sig >P320 >Limited Nats was won by Nils Jonasson in 2022 with a Canik Rival >production nats was won by Nils Jonasson in 2021 and 2022 with a Canik Rival. >Carry Optics Nationals was won by Max Michel from 2016-2020 with a Sig P320.
Though they're nowhere near as small as the 365, there is the 2000sk and the P30sk, which are Glock 26 sized. And I agree with what you're saying. When the striker fired Glock copy craze dies out (and it's starting to as we're seeing people move to Berettas, 2011s, etc) we'll start seeing some DA/SA micro compacts. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
No, actually the hammer I'm refering to is a 1911. So it's bigger, heavier, and holds less then my generic plastic wonder gun. Still enjoy shooting it more tho.
The only thing striker guns have is cost, they are insanely cheap to make, like moronicly cheap.
A glock costs less than a quarter of what a beretta costs to make.
For the actual using and shooting parts hammer guns outclass stiker guns in every single metric with very few exceptions.
The P30 is plagued with a horrible trigger that is apparently incurable. No match trigger for it exists like it does for the USP, so I would give it a second thought unless you really don't care about squishy triggers
>all CZ hammer guns (though omega triggers are substantially crappier) >berettas, particularly those done over by Langdon Tactical >Grand Power if you feel like being a hipster >Tanfoglio Witness variants >Any one of many 2011 knockoffs
among others. the only thing you really need to know is don't buy HK or Springfield. There's a diehard HK fandom on this forum and others because of video games made by clueless nips, but the actual fact of the matter is that all HK handguns other than the P7 invariable suck ass compared to their competition. To put it into perspective, HK is a huge company that can afford to sponsor a top quality competitive shooter, but the best they can get is John Rasmussen, a middling M class last I checked, because the guns themselves are an intrinsic handicap. HKs are like cursed items in ttrpgs. SVN, notable user of pistol forum and the front sight post discord has been stuck in A class shooting HKs for years, and it's not for lack of trying or talent. Not buying springfield is fairly self explanatory.
CZ is fine, but they tend to ream their chambers short like many european manufacturers do. They do this in order to help get better mechanical accuracy. It can cause the ogive of a bullet to interface with the beginning of the rifling, preventing the round from fully seating, but It isn't an issue unless you're shooting 135gn or 147gn hollowpoints or flat nosed bullets, usually. The way to resolve it is to get an aftermarket barrel or have a gunsmith ream the chamber a few thousandths deeper, which typically takes all of 2 minutes if they have the proper equipment. I believe the more duty/defense oriented models like the P10C and P-07/P-09 have deeper chamber depths, but I could be wrong. It's very rarely an issue, and it's pretty much never an issue if you stick to 124gn and 115gn ammo. Definitely something to be aware of though. It isn't so much of a flaw as it is an oversight of american use-habits.
My PCR eats whatever. Tula, Czechshit, Chinkshit, Mexishit, etc. I bought some surplus Indian 9mm from an ammo shop that the clerk put a sign on saying something along the lines of "This ammo is not reliable in handguns due to hard primers and is only recommended for PCCs" and my CZ ate it with only a couple jams. My VP9 and my friend's Glock couldn't get through 2-3 rounds of that stuff without stopping from light strikes and jams
Objectively? No. Both have their purpose, as do all firearms.
fpbp
depends a LOT on what you're planning to do with the firearm and how you want to carry it
Better at what?
Being safe while holstering
Dryfiring
Looking fricking cool
Oh, then yeah. Hammer-fired beats striker-fired in all of these cases.
It is objectively safer to dry fire most striker guns than their hammer fired counter parts.
Oh, right. Because you can stick your finger between the hammer and the firing pin. Who does that?
By 'safer' he means less likely to damage the gun, not 'could theoretically do this ninja move at the last second to stop it from going off so it wins'
What centerfire hammer fired guns can get damaged by dryfiring?
CZ75
homie just use a snapcap
I have had 2 guns damaged by dry firing one was a .22 revolver and the other was a glock, both guns had the firing pin break, granted this was after maybe 10,000 dry fires. None of my hammer autos have had any issues with dry firing despite being used as much if not more than the ones that broke.
Yes it was a quick and simple fix but I now have reservations to dry firing my striker guns after that. Would the firing pin have broken during normal fire? Probably but it didn't and I can't shake that now.
I would say so if any double actions fricking existed in the micro compact/extended micro compact format
P365XL/Shield Plus 4in is the best 9mm form factor. But no hammer guns in that size. Frick off CSX doesn't count. Double action is needed.
Man of immaculate taste right here.
Where the frick is my 1.5 stack DA/SA?
They don’t exist because the market has shifted to striker guns without safeties. Everyone is copying Glock due to Glock’s massive success. It’s a sad time.
Double action is for morons that don't train.
DAO dry firing is some of the best practice you can get larper.
This, got way better at shooting handguns after spending lots of time with a SAO revolver. Still prefer striker though.
Did you mean DAO revolver? Somewhat related, I'm interested in that M&P 5.7 SAO trigger. If I'm not doing a heavy trigger pull then I want crisp trigger pull. Not that there aren't pristine DA triggers.
Yeah that’s what I meant
Sure it can be a training aid. Doesn't negate anything I said.
Why would a training aid be for people who dont train?
You're playing word games like a israelite
Peak midwit, my God. I'd probably give your original mongoloid point more credence if they didn't outfit so many LEOs with striker slops. Otherwise yeah, users of DA variants can be represented with the bell curve meme.
I really hope you unironically carry some hair-trigger competition gun, that would actually be hilarious
>DAO
>Hair trigger
I guess DASA guns like the SneedX4 can get a good SA reset though.
Double action is for people that enjoy training and want to dryfire all fricking day.
Yes and no. The correct way to dry fire a DA/SA pistol is to pull the first long DA trigger and then pretend to work the reset, and NOT let the trigger go all the way forward. In that regard it's no different that a Glock really, just a little more convenient for when you're doing the first break. That being said striker fired guns can be slightly held out of battery and the trigger will move back and forth too
No, the correct way is to keep doing the DA pull. You can keep click click clicking all day without racking the goddamn slide every time. If you are a pussy and afraid your gun will break use a snap cap.
Okay dude. You know more than Ben Stoeger, Eric Grauffel, Ernest Langdon, JJ Recaza, etc. Someone please relay to those world championship shooters who win with DA/SA guns that an anon on PrepHole knows the correct way of dry firing a DA/SA gun.
Isn't it the other way around? Sport shooters tend to like DA/SA guns, it's harder to learn but ultimately more rewarding
Sport shooters use SAO when not limited by the rules. DA is a shitty crutch for people that can't be trusted to turn a safety off.
Found the boomer with no ccw
Good handgun shooters in-general use SAO, it means they actually practice the art
Meanwhile shitters with strikers only practice magdumping at 5yds
>Good handgun shooters in general use SAO
>shitters with strikers only practice magdumping at 5 yards
>Limited Nats was won by Mason Lane in 2021 with a sig >P320
>Limited Nats was won by Nils Jonasson in 2022 with a Canik Rival
>production nats was won by Nils Jonasson in 2021 and 2022 with a Canik Rival.
>Carry Optics Nationals was won by Max Michel from 2016-2020 with a Sig P320.
Does the Beretta 84 count?
No, it's too thicc. The 'micro'/1.5x stack format are guns that are like .8 inches to 1.2 inches wide. The cheetah is as thick as a glock 19
CZ RAMI is probably the closest you get
Though they're nowhere near as small as the 365, there is the 2000sk and the P30sk, which are Glock 26 sized. And I agree with what you're saying. When the striker fired Glock copy craze dies out (and it's starting to as we're seeing people move to Berettas, 2011s, etc) we'll start seeing some DA/SA micro compacts. Hopefully sooner rather than later.
Objectively? No. Not at all
Subjectively? Yes. And if you don't agree, you're limp dicked homosexual
it really doesnt matter as long as youre familiar with your gun.
SAO = GOAT, if you train for the safety.
Striker = good consistent trigger every pull, safety not necessary.
DA/SA = inconsistent trigger and requires safety.
DAO = terrible trigger every pull
Only the SAO, or at least SA carry method, are superior. The others are inferior.
>DA/SA = inconsistent trigger and requires safety.
actual moron
hello!
Found the de-wiener lover
My first gun was a striker. Then I got a hammer. I ended up liking the hammer better, tho I still think the striker is more practical.
>more practical
Let me guess. A striker can't be jammed by a yugioh card which is worth the price of the slop trigger.
No, actually the hammer I'm refering to is a 1911. So it's bigger, heavier, and holds less then my generic plastic wonder gun. Still enjoy shooting it more tho.
>hammer = 1911
moron, but I forgive you.
Yeah. Will punch a hole in your card though.
>Gif
Is that actually possible?
Hammer
Shoulder holster
Simple as.
Yes
The only thing striker guns have is cost, they are insanely cheap to make, like moronicly cheap.
A glock costs less than a quarter of what a beretta costs to make.
For the actual using and shooting parts hammer guns outclass stiker guns in every single metric with very few exceptions.
I like both
>everything has to be min-maxing
Get out of your comfort zone and discover new things.
Yes. The strikertards will say otherwise. Ingore them.
handguns are insanely fun to shoot. there’s literally no reason to ruin the fun by shooting a striker instead of a hammer
so what’s a good hammer fired handgun?
1911 obviously. what about the p30?
The P30 is plagued with a horrible trigger that is apparently incurable. No match trigger for it exists like it does for the USP, so I would give it a second thought unless you really don't care about squishy triggers
Pee Ex Four Compakt
Nah, too high a bore.
>all CZ hammer guns (though omega triggers are substantially crappier)
>berettas, particularly those done over by Langdon Tactical
>Grand Power if you feel like being a hipster
>Tanfoglio Witness variants
>Any one of many 2011 knockoffs
among others. the only thing you really need to know is don't buy HK or Springfield. There's a diehard HK fandom on this forum and others because of video games made by clueless nips, but the actual fact of the matter is that all HK handguns other than the P7 invariable suck ass compared to their competition. To put it into perspective, HK is a huge company that can afford to sponsor a top quality competitive shooter, but the best they can get is John Rasmussen, a middling M class last I checked, because the guns themselves are an intrinsic handicap. HKs are like cursed items in ttrpgs. SVN, notable user of pistol forum and the front sight post discord has been stuck in A class shooting HKs for years, and it's not for lack of trying or talent. Not buying springfield is fairly self explanatory.
A2Grip says CZ sucks ass though.
He claims their handguns are picky with ammo
CZ is fine, but they tend to ream their chambers short like many european manufacturers do. They do this in order to help get better mechanical accuracy. It can cause the ogive of a bullet to interface with the beginning of the rifling, preventing the round from fully seating, but It isn't an issue unless you're shooting 135gn or 147gn hollowpoints or flat nosed bullets, usually. The way to resolve it is to get an aftermarket barrel or have a gunsmith ream the chamber a few thousandths deeper, which typically takes all of 2 minutes if they have the proper equipment. I believe the more duty/defense oriented models like the P10C and P-07/P-09 have deeper chamber depths, but I could be wrong. It's very rarely an issue, and it's pretty much never an issue if you stick to 124gn and 115gn ammo. Definitely something to be aware of though. It isn't so much of a flaw as it is an oversight of american use-habits.
My PCR eats whatever. Tula, Czechshit, Chinkshit, Mexishit, etc. I bought some surplus Indian 9mm from an ammo shop that the clerk put a sign on saying something along the lines of "This ammo is not reliable in handguns due to hard primers and is only recommended for PCCs" and my CZ ate it with only a couple jams. My VP9 and my friend's Glock couldn't get through 2-3 rounds of that stuff without stopping from light strikes and jams
Px4 is the best pistol in existence
This guy gets it.
>px4
that’s gotta be one of the ugliest handguns ever made
The two best pistols ever made are both hammer fired so yes, I have determined they are objectively better.