Are foxholes still valid in war or trenches are better? Posted on May 7, 2023 by PrepHole Contributor Are foxholes still valid in war or trenches are better?
>have something protecting you from bullets and shrapnel
>don't have something protecting you
In the same way a helmet or kevlar might be "less useful" because someone can just nail you from a km away with computer aimed thermal optics, a foxhole is still going to do perfectly well for everything except a tank firing on you, getting nailed by a large caliber howitzer, or getting a drone grenade dropped on your head.
Read about infantry fortifications anon, the stats are actually very impressive. A rather simple fortification that might take a vehicle crew an hour or two to do might increase the number of dumb HE shells required to kill that vehicle by 5 times or something similarly crazy.
That's like asking if trenches are still valid in war or if reinforced steel/concrete bunkers are better. Don't be retarded OP.
As these anons said it's about tradeoffs in time/resources to construct vs protective value. There is no excuse though if positions are static for long periods to not have really solid places to at least sleep, that's still to me one of the most small-yet-wild details of this war, all the Russians sitting in one place for weeks/months yet they still just sleep in open holes that get droned vs using some wood/tarp/shovels or whatever to make a roof and having a zig zag at the entrance so there is no direct los out into the trench network. It really wouldn't take much to completely stop all these drone videos of folks sleeping/resting, they're dropping little improvised grenades not 155mm rounds. It would take much just plain to HIDE from them, people get the wrong impression from the videos put out vs real time. Vatniks are a broken slave race though.
Russians simply do not have shovels, they arent going to dig with their hands you monster
But they do, that's the weird bit! They are sleeping in holes anon, all over the places. It's not the digging that's the issue, it's that once they dig a hole[grave], they just... stop. Like, blyat, here's a hole, under the open sky and elements and drones, guess that's good enough. They don't then throw some sticks and tarp or cloth and some dirt over it or anything, they just all crowd into open holes, then get ACK'd. Subhuman.
It’s because they aren’t told to continue to improve their fighting positions. Russian/Soviet command structure is/wasso top-heavy that unless explicitly told to do something the soldiers won’t do it. Individual initiative at the smaller unit level is virtually non-existent in their military system. It’s also why you see the Russians drive blindly into minefields or continue to force a contested river crossing : their commanders tell them “go from here to there” or “cross this river” and the subordinate units attempt to carry out the order but they don’t generally adapt to changing circumstances in the field e.g. they weren’t told about that minefield or they didn’t know that the river crossing was going to be contested so the way they execute their plans do not change
You shouldn't need to be told to cover your position if you can.
You know this because you’re not a moron and have some basic knowledge of military tactics and defensive preparations. Some of these soldiers might be the same too but what little training they receive - which probably includes some time on defensive positions - stresses above all else that you obey orders and only obey orders, to the point that initiative - even that which can improve their combat performance - is actively disincentivized or even punished. So no, these men shouldn’t need to be told to improve their fighting positions but because of their training they do need to be told to do that.
said also plays into it although less so than the training issues. Proper training and enough of it can overcome these issues, as we have seen with the Ukrainian forces transformation from 2014 to now. Ukrainian culture - which is similar to Russian culture - did not change so drastically within that time span as to eliminate the issues which plagued it during the first Russian invasion, and which are now plaguing the current Russian invasion forces. Their training and military doctrine did however, having been influenced by Western advisors, and it is that training - which allows for more flexibility at the unit level - that has allowed for Ukraine to achieve the successes it has achieved, along with the Western material aid.
Literally Africa. I'm waiting for this dude to show up just to talk down to Russians about how shit they are.
it's also their prison rules culture. once you do something, you become the bitch whose job is to do that. everyone will look down on you for doing the work while they don't, because that obviously means that they're higher on the totem pole than you. and since you are the bitch already, you will do the task you did once forever, or the other guys will beat you up for not doing your bitch job. from there it's a quick way to the hole-in-a-spoon city, especially if you did something "womanly", like picking up the garbage.
so yeah, in their culture it's preferable to just sit on your ass than doing literally anything that might improve the quality of life for the collective. even in a literal warzone.
>except a tank firing on you, getting nailed by a large caliber howitzer, or getting a drone grenade dropped on your head.
Even then, they do provide cover against drones. Those things don't have targeting computers. It's just Kentucky windage. If the drone operator misses the trench itself by even a small margin, someone inside a trench is going to be much better off than if that grenade went off at the same distance on open ground. Trenches are still very useful. They might seem less useful because of a selection bias... we only tend to see the footage of successful drone strikes.
Better than nothing but the problem is that static positions are death traps for the defenders because they can just get droned. You dig a foxhole to sleep in and once its daytime, if you aren't moving, youre a dead man.
>death traps for the defenders because they can just get droned.
Depends on how sophisticated the trenches are.
If they reach WW1 levels drones are negligible, even heavy artillery would have problems.
not really, if you can accurately drop bombs into the actual trenches it’s bad news
And firing trenches only have to be manned during combat, observation can be done with periscopes and during bombardment and drone attacks troops are protected in the dugouts.
Have you missed the thousands of drone videos with evidence of accurate drops into trenches
can't you just put tarps over to hide troop locations?
Or hell, othe level of Osamas bunkers
Did Ben Garrison draw this? I think it meeds a few more labels. Also where is Sadam?
the only reasonable action in this situation
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that makes it better
>he doesn't know
Why do I know most of the german WW2 decorations and order but none of the other combatants one?
because of what's depicted there
grandpa loved german trophies
You can't recognize the Big Red One?
>dig shellscrape because you might see artillery soon and there's no place to hide
>dig it deeper to make a foxhole if you have time
>dig along the foxhole and make it a firestep for your trench if you have time
It's all a compromise between time to construct and protection so you use what time you have to dig whatever protection you can get.
Interestingly you can kinda see foxholes v trenches in the Ukraine war fotage. Ukies will sometimes just dig a foxhole maybe some short trenches connecting it with others and stuff five guys in it while russians are using trench diggers everywhere to make long, shallow, straight deathtraps for drone attacks.
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There's no real competition here. You start with foxholes and then link them up with trenches.
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Does anyone have a link to any good manuals on trench fortifications?
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Build foxhole, now you at least have something, connect with trenches, now you have something better.