Are 5.56 SBRs useless? Can't get a straight answer.

To the best of my knowledge, 5.56 SBRs you have 2 options:

(A) Stick with M193 which doesn't fragment/tumble at SBR velocities ruining the whole point of the 5.56 round but has best chances against armor/barriers or:

(B) Softpoint/TAP/OTM rounds which will bring back the lethality of the 5.56 round at the cost of not penetrating any sort of plate armor and possibly having worse penetration on soft armors.

At that point why not just get a 9mm carbine which will have better stopping power, cheaper ammo and is much more suppressible than a 5.56 SBR?

  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why are you doing things where you think you're going to be having a gun battle with people wearing body armor? This consideration only applies for absolute LARP.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/WmR1cBz.jpg

      To the best of my knowledge, 5.56 SBRs you have 2 options:

      (A) Stick with M193 which doesn't fragment/tumble at SBR velocities ruining the whole point of the 5.56 round but has best chances against armor/barriers or:

      (B) Softpoint/TAP/OTM rounds which will bring back the lethality of the 5.56 round at the cost of not penetrating any sort of plate armor and possibly having worse penetration on soft armors.

      At that point why not just get a 9mm carbine which will have better stopping power, cheaper ammo and is much more suppressible than a 5.56 SBR?

      IKR who are you shooting at?

      unless your gun buddies with plate carriers doublecross you or you are a bounty hunter it aint necessary.

      even against somebody with plates and pads you are best aiming for soft points with whatever you got.

      SBR AR15s are primarily form factor, 5.56 is not a bad intermediate rifle cartridge.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      fag

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      the buffalo shooter wore level iv armor. he won his gunfight with a security guard because of it

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And if you had a rifle you think you'd be unable to hit his head of pelvis? Also we don't know that he wore armor only that he said so on discord. There are no pictures of armor when he was arrested.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Payton did nothing wrong.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Why are you doing things where you think you're going to be having a gun battle with people wearing body armor?
      The cops and the criminals merged back in 2020 summer of love. If you want to be prepared for criminal violence you need to be prepared for the cops too.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You're an absolute gay, I can tell you're from reddit here to talk about Ukraine.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you're using an sbr why are you using m193? Why not use a heavier bullet like 77 or 100gr?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >100gr
      That's quite a heavy bullet for a 5.56/.223, I usually see them top out at like 80gr. 100gr is getting into 300blk.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        556 tops at 112gr but those are subs and 100gr is basically boutique ammo. And yeah just wanted to give OP a range of what's out there for heavy round for SBRs.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I like an SBR
    When SHTF are you shooting at things 500 yards away? No? You're shooting at shit in your fucking yard? Than an SBR is fine

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This post is profoundly ESL.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        That post is fine what the fuck are they teaching you zoomers these days?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      In a SHTF, it's completely possible to shoot at 500 yards. I live in a desert, 500 yards is not difficult to imagine getting into a gun fight in.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    think of it this way:
    do feel safe in an open field vs. a Mk18 100 yds away from you?
    you don't know what ammo it's shooting.
    what about 200yds?
    300yds?
    50yds - which is 90% of engagements?
    stop over thinking this shit.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You misread the post. Even at 50 yards M193 from an SBR is a cucked bullet because it has less than 2700fps

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Its not as effective as it can be, but you are a retard who spends too much time online if you really think m193 through an SBR at 100 yards isn't still extremely deadly.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What magical thing do you think happens at 2700 fps?
        >m-muh fragmentation
        Literally doesn't matter
        >b-but all the memes are about fragmentation!
        That's because stupid people don't know any better. Fragmenting and pumping all its energy in the first inch of tissue isn't really ideal. Yawing and blowing a fist sized hole through the entire torso is good.

        Pop quiz, how fast do you think M855 is travelling at 350 yards, and how bad do you want to be hit by that yawing projectile as it rips your insides out and deposits them on the floor?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Even disregarding ballistics like temporary and permanent wound cavities, imagine a .22 hole going straight through your lungs or heart. That's not something you shrug off. You're going to be drowning in blood.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >You misread the post.
        and you missed the point lmao

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    50gr TSX is what you're looking for

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The chances of you getting into a gunfight while you have your rifle on you is extremely small.

    The chances of you getting into any gunfight more than 100 yards away is also extremely small.

    M193 will work, but there are multitudes of specific self anti personnel rounds now.

    Though any 5.56 round within reasonable self defense distances out of a shorter barrel is going to put someone down.

    If you ever are shooting at an armored target, youre not gonna penetrate that armor unless youre using an ap around or you are at point blank range with m193 out of a long barrel.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      this is the most brain broken bullshit I've seen in a solid 3 hours.
      You're dumbass isn't going to be getting in a fucking gun fight, much less one beyond 300m.
      Armor doesn't always save you. There's been plenty of military who have died wearing plates.
      please touch grass.

      Do these guys not realize average M193 comes out of an SBR at 2600 fps? 100 below required 2700 for fragmentstion.

      It’s not a complaint about the range of an SBR if the round exits the barrel already at low velocity.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Holy shit you're right.
        We should go to every SF detachment in the military and tell them to stop using 5.56 SBRs because some fucking retard on PrepHole said the bullet is too slow.
        Why didn't we think of this sooner.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You misread the post. Even at 50 yards M193 from an SBR is a cucked bullet because it has less than 2700fps

        You shouldn't be using 193 but even still the hydrostatic shock is plenty to kill a man even at 2600

        Holy shit you're right.
        We should go to every SF detachment in the military and tell them to stop using 5.56 SBRs because some fucking retard on PrepHole said the bullet is too slow.
        Why didn't we think of this sooner.

        They use MK262 though

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The bullet really doesn't fucking matter for fat larpers on the internet.
          Any gun fight you're going to get in is going to be less than 50 feet or you're going to jail for murder.
          Most gun fights SF gets into are also really close unless they're in Afghanistan.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Any gun fight you're going to get in is going to be less than 50 feet or you're going to jail for murder
            That's assuming there's a rule of law. Big assumption these days. I'm on your side regardless but you're acting like a woman

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >WROL
              Yeah, dipshits during Katrina are still rotting in jail because they thought that was going to be a good excuse too.
              You're acting like a virgin basement larper. If you want to kill people, join the military.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah things are certainly stable today like they were in 2006 huh? You fucking retard, you truly have a woman brain

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >I don't care about you're specific example of an area WROL where people did stupid shit, my made up scenario is totally more likely that real life events
                You're this fucking stupid. You're 70 year old lonely boomer tier retarded. Please shut the fuck up, turn off the Andrew Tate podcast, take a shower, and walk outside.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You have some emotional problems you should speak with your pastor about

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Is christian, listens to Andrew tate, thinks the world is going to collapse, doesn't shower
                re-examine your life. stop being the way you are.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I didn't even know who that was until this interaction. Let me pray for you.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >You're 70 year old lonely boomer tier retarded.
                Fucking hell anon.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                GEAR CHECK

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Plenty of people got away with shit in the aftermath of Katrina. I remember reading old forum posts and stuff I got linked to from here years ago, including a guy (since arrested I think) who claimed to have shot dozens. Now anyone can say anything on the internet, but there were plenty of dead looters, /someone/ shot them. Aside from those Danziger Bridge cops and the guy I mentioned earlier you can't tell me they arrested every single person who took a potshot at a dindu.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Chris Kyle was going around telling people he was sniping random looters, too.
                He was caught lying.
                A fuckton of people decided they were going to captain America the nice brown shoe liberators and get send to supermax with no parol.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >/someone/ shot them.
                mostly that was cops and hoodrats shooting hoodrats. My point being I dont think (source is my ass) that normal people were just going wild west pimp style. Katrina is a super interesting case of shit going very south very fast however. From my memory of researching this it seemed to be a lot of people settling old scores once things started to go apeshit. Community policing meant police knew exactly who the bad guys where in the areas they lived in and just said fuck it and fucking shot them instead of waiting around for them to act up. Also a shit ton of cops shot themselves during and after that period. Really points to the kind of stress they were under, what they witnessed, and what they likely were involved in. Im way off on a tangent now thank you for reading my blogpost

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I don't get it

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                There was a lot going on in Katrina, you're a fool to think the cops arrested each and every one of them, I'd wager at least half got away with it unless they turned themselves in after the fact.
                Also
                >thinking it's still 2006

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >doesn't have an alibi ready

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nah dude, useless which is why basically all SOF utilizes 5.56 SBRs in various roles
    Yeah man, totally fucked, why bother, only run a 20" AR with m995 or you'll get clapped in the fantasy breakdown

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Also respectable setup. Only good thing in this thread.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      SOF mostly kick down the doors of dirt poor farmers turned fighters in the middle of the night. They do not fight people with armor and they, whenever possible, fight people at night while they have night vision and the opponent doesn't. They are geared for the type of fighting they do, which is surprising civilian insurgents.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Useless? No.
    Are there better options? Yes
    Are they loud as fuck? WHAT?!?

    The other day, my brother shot his 8” AR pistol - the blast coming off of it is worse than a muzzlebraked 300wm and braked 454casull from the same distance. It shakes your teeth in their sockets.

    If you want a SBR, 300bo and 458socom are better options. 7.62x39 is more adoptable to shorter barrels, think about a vz58 or a galil. Go all in and buy an AUG or VHS.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not everyone is too poor for a suppressor

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Then 300bo or 458 are better options. I have a hybrid46 can for my 458

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Damn you're retarded lmao

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >the blast coming off of it is worse than a muzzlebraked 300wm

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    9mm carbine chads rise up

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous
    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Don't have carbine. Just have the Po' boy

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    this is the most brain broken bullshit I've seen in a solid 3 hours.
    You're dumbass isn't going to be getting in a fucking gun fight, much less one beyond 300m.
    Armor doesn't always save you. There's been plenty of military who have died wearing plates.
    please touch grass.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Be yourself and larp the way you want to larp. If that includes sbrs and 55gr sups then that's your spaghetti os my dood. Don't let your memes be dreams.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I have a 10.5" SBR with a surefire RC2 and an eotech. I don't really give a shit if it's useful for specific scenarios other than people coming into my house while I'm sleeping

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >is the thing that is used by the largest empire in the history of the world's most elite death squads good at killing people?
    gee I dunno!

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It’s only dumb if it’s shorter than 11.5”

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      i would buy sig mcx if it didnt have micropenis foward assist. i want slick side sig

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If that’s all that is stopping you...It’s removable...

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You can literally remove and replace it with a canebrake brass deflector

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >11.5
      >telescope on top
      why

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I like magnification what can I say.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Why is your gun blue?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      your pic immediately invalidated your opinion

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >11.5
      >scope
      >scope too low
      >scope too far forward
      >more magnification than you'll ever need out of that rifle
      yep its reddit time

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    SBRs aren't useless by any means, but Kyle Sneedenhouse showed why a regular barrel is great, it popped that garden gnome's bicep like a water balloon with a grazing shot.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I still chuckle a little thinking about the fact that Kyle rekt those fuckers with a railed gas block cheapo rifle you'd pick up in a pawn shop. Reminds me of the story of the single mom who scared off a small burglary crew with a hi-point carbine

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      You don't need a specific barrel length to fuck someone's arm up if you shoot them from five feet away with a rifle.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Buy whatever you thinks looks coolest, you're just larping anyway

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's the best solution overall. There's no magic recipe available to you for reliability penetrating IV and ESAPI plates in a practical useful rifle with available ammo. If you give up the nominal hit or miss AP potential of m193, m855a1, and M855, you're left with maximum terminal effect at realistic engagement distances. Inside 300 yards, a 5.56 SBR AR is handily the best balance of utility, lethality, capacity, and availability. A soft point or ballistic tip/expanding 55 to 77 grain round going 2X00 fps is a totally different animal than a pistol round, and is in the ballpark of all other rifle rounds. Nothing else in the SBR form factor can give you 30+ rounds of any round superior enough to be worth the downsides.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You are obviously some euro or someone with no guns. 9mm vs SBR 5.56 isn't even comparable... like you are talking 2500 fps out of a 11.5 with 77 OTM vs 1100 fps if you are lucky with 124 gr HP. The hydro shock of getting shot in the chest with an open tip 5.56 going over twice the speed and expanding vs a pistol round.... God most retarded post I have seen in a fucking while on PrepHole

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why is it that nogun posters always resort to "esl" as the goto "insult"?

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You get a short gun for close combat. At close range, you don't really need 223.
    Its not like it's bad, it's just not really all that useful. Might as well use something that fire pistol calibers for expected close range.
    Now, if you might have to do some close combat, and also might have to reach out to like a hundred yards, it makes to run an sbr. Especially if you want to run a can with the shorter barrel. 20" plus a suppressor in close range is retarded, but 11" with a can is a little more reasonable, while still being able to reach out a little further than an smg or something.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Your logic is absolutely retarded. So you are saying because you are all of a sudden "up close" you don't "need" a rifle round. That is some Call of Duty logic right there. Rifle rounds provide terminal ballistics and hydrostatic shock to the body, when the bullet hits it will incapacitate because their fucking diaphragm is being exploded like a watermelon including any other organs that get hit by the shrapnel. A pistol round doesn't have nearly the velocity to cause terminal damage other than hitting major organs. As Clint Smith says rifle rounds put rounds through people, pistol rounds put rounds IN people, a shotgun will blow a chunk of flesh clean off and throw that shit on the pavement.

      >Euro hours

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Maybe you shoot them in the vital organs then. You shoot a guy with a couple of rounds of pretty much any handgun round and they'll die just the same as if you hit with a couple of rounds 223 or above at close range.
        Having a multiuse rifle is handy, sure. But relying on a multiuse rifle when you don't have to is stupid.
        Get multiple setups for specific uses, and use them for those cases.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Have you actually seen videos of people taking multiple pistol rounds? Now watch a video of someone take a single rifle round to the chest.

          Also are you European? Post guns.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm not European, no.
            Here's my crb that has none of the advantages of an smg, or of a rifle though. I like it though. I also have an ar that I don't have any pictures of.
            Now post your guns.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Buddy I am not going to take the opinion of someone who unironically bought a (neutered) Vector seriously. Or a Vector in general. Lmao. No wonder your logic comes from CoD considering you bought a CoD gun.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I have a vector because they're cool, and I like the look of the crb with the squared off barrel.
                Also, not going to give the government $200 to have a short barrel. Also haven't ever played a call of duty game. Figured out about them "naturally" through movies and shit.
                Post your guns.

                Bro unless you get a direct hit to the spine or brain stem with a 9mm handgun the only thing stopping the person running at your immediately is them freaking out. There are tons of cases with video evidence of people who are on drugs or who have lost their minds just tanking a handful of 9mm and continuing to fight or run for 5-10 seconds.
                On the other hand, if you shoot someone with an ar15 from 3 yards away they are instantly going to drop. The stopping power is not even close to comparable, even out of a 10.3 barrel.

                Accuracy through volume is most effective at close range.
                >.223 instantly drops someone just by hitting them
                That's a fucking brainlet take. Especially for a cartridge widely lauded for its ability to injure without killing by boomers all around the globe. Mass matters more than speed at close range, and while the lower mass of 223 isn't that big of a hindrance at close range, it's also not that big of an advantage.
                The important part with shooting people is to shoot them. Even if you don't hit them in the brain, you hit them enough they're at least down.
                The amount of close quarter encounters that are resolved with a straight up pistol makes the argument that you need a rifle pretty much invalid.
                You are free to refuse to leave your life in the hands of a pistol caliber, doesn't mean you aren't a fucking dingus

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >vector
                Ew

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Oh, damn. If I had known strangers on the internet wouldn't share my like for the gun, I would have never of gotten it.
                Whats a good pcc according to you, by chance?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                pcc's are obsolete anon, they aren't effective anymore because of modern body armor and modular ar15's and MCX's that are their size or smaller out perform them ballistically.

                You know what's cool? Effective firearms. You know what's not cool, ineffective outdated firearms. Besides Pistol caliber guns are cucked if they aren't select fire. If you really must have one, buy a mp5 variant and convert it to select fire, then you can be ineffective in style.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >mp5 gay
                As expected.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                You seem like a gay, you're not even rebuking him. You could have said "yeah it may not be effective but I think it's interesting" but instead you deflected like a woman. Try harder next time.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Noguns

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                I unironically probably own more guns than you. Vectors fucking suck. Nobody buys them.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                vector is pretty much the definition of "range toy"

                i wanted to buy one at one point, realized the massive, cripple disadvantage of the barrel started at the farthest point forward in the gun, pointlessness of the action in a semi-auto weapon, and decided against it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            People have kept fighting and killed after being hit with 5.56.

            Bro unless you get a direct hit to the spine or brain stem with a 9mm handgun the only thing stopping the person running at your immediately is them freaking out. There are tons of cases with video evidence of people who are on drugs or who have lost their minds just tanking a handful of 9mm and continuing to fight or run for 5-10 seconds.
            On the other hand, if you shoot someone with an ar15 from 3 yards away they are instantly going to drop. The stopping power is not even close to comparable, even out of a 10.3 barrel.

            Same as above. And if the person has armor your pea shooter isn't going to do shit. 30-06 will, snapping ribs even without penetration, although if you care about dealing with armor Win Mag or Beowulf is better. Buy a real rifle with a real rifle round.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              You nogunz/eurofags are insufferable, I yield.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Pray we don't meet during the Boog. Your pea shooter will bounce harmlessly off my plates before I casually blow you away with one .50 round. Like swatting a fly.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >yielding to yuros
                You are a discredit to your nation.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >Beowulf
              The memest of meme rounds.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >People have kept fighting and killed after being hit with 5.56.
              And there were WWII vets who swore japs would keep coming after you magdumped into them with 30'06 and the marines should switch back to 45-70. They were wrong and so are you.
              >And if the person has armor your pea shooter isn't going to do shit.
              Correct
              >30-06 will,
              No, it won't. Rifle plates are very specifically rated on their ability to protect the user from full power rifle cartridges. 30'06 is exactly what they are designed to counter, and they do it well.
              >snapping ribs even without penetration
              Nope. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5f1Fo4r4_I

              He just took a .308 from, what, two feet? Nothing broken. All the dumb shit you believe is a lie and you don't know the first goddamn thing about guns, projectiles, or body armor. Quit assuming otherwise.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Wrong. Rifle plates are very specifically rated to absorb one round a single time from a set of rounds without producing a completely arbitrary amount of backface deformation. Said amount of deformation comes from literally a single study on soft body armor and pistol caliber rounds from over forty fucking years ago.

                Yeah, the standards have fuck all to do with data on actual behind armor blunt trauma, they're just an ass pull from very early in the advent of armor. The consumers of testing are the companies that make the armor and so the people doing the testing have no economic incentive to change this.

                You should be interested in how many of X rounds a plate prevents from penetrating at Y distance and the amount of backface deformation. Gold standard is animal or cadaver studies.

                What we know now is that high powered rounds cause serious or lethal injury at much less backface deformation than pistol rounds, which is why the old standard is dumb. You have tests where the majority of pigs getting shot with non-penetrating rounds are having sternum fractures and some are dying off backface deformation that is close to passing.

                This is why you also should focus just on penetration, especially with some plates around that have videos stopping extremely high powered rounds at least sometimes. You do not want to get shot with .50 BMG or anything else with insane ft/lbs of energy regardless of if the round goes through.

                I assume the .30-06 reference is trolling because the weight and recoil aren't worth the ballistics and higher energy trade off even despite the above in the vast majority of cases. That said, if you specifically thought you'd be engaging mostly targets in high end Level 4 with high coverage for some reason, the trade off for a higher powered rifle tips in favor of the more powerful round. Penetration isn't binary like it is in ratings, more kinetic energy degrades the rest of the plate quicker and deliver BABT injuries.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                However, for all the Fuddlore around .30-06, it is probably worse with .556, especially with the buyers remorse and cognitive dissonance of people being irrationally mad that the military isn't using their cartridge. 6.8 was chosen based on a doctrine based around using new interconnectivity and recon assets, namely drones to engage at longer distances where the US comparitive advantage in indirect fire is more valuable. If you don't have recon drones, mortars, artillery, etc., you don't need to worry about the swap.

                But instead the has led to a blanket denial of any tests that call into question the supremecy if 5.56 in almost all cases.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Wrong.
                Not one thing I said is wrong, not reading your rambling wall of text.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Bro unless you get a direct hit to the spine or brain stem with a 9mm handgun the only thing stopping the person running at your immediately is them freaking out. There are tons of cases with video evidence of people who are on drugs or who have lost their minds just tanking a handful of 9mm and continuing to fight or run for 5-10 seconds.
          On the other hand, if you shoot someone with an ar15 from 3 yards away they are instantly going to drop. The stopping power is not even close to comparable, even out of a 10.3 barrel.

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Gunfighter here, nice to see a fellow sheepdog on the boards, it's great to see! I'd say that on the day to day circa 30 percent of my tangos are wearing plates so I usually run with a 1 to 2 mix, at least in my primary truck gun. Granted that not all of those plates will be level II even but I just don't feel I can risk it. Hope this helps, see you on the battlescape!
    The Neighborhood Doorkicker out.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You can always tell that someone is ESL by how much fuming butthurt it causes. Call them ESL and watch them recoil. I've been found out!

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Same ol nogun retards posting about shit they don't know about.
    Why is it that all you nogun gays only ever bring up M193 when it comes to the AR-15?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's cute and valid, m855 is peak jak energy, and m855a1 is pure chud

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    the answer is linked to the 9mm thing,
    all m4 (not just the sbr) replace the smg, the good enought 300$ g.i. m4 is the modern equivalent of the uzi.
    what the gudinought m4 can do and an smg no is fefeat soft armour, wich was almost not existant on golden years of the smg and become almost universal when m4 got adopted.
    for why a soft armour stabber has become frontline service rifle is another question.

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Go with B, and a 9mm PCC is garbage compared to a 5.56 carbine firing OTM.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah give me yours
    moron

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You are wasting your money and brainpower if you are autistically thinking about min/maxing your weaponry. The odds of you getting into a gunfight with someone are astronomically low and even if you do get in that situation, marksmanship and situational awareness will make a much bigger difference than a slightly optimized gun will. In many cases of self defense shootings - Kyle, etc, the shooter had a piece of shit cheapass rifle, or, like for Elijah, hit his shots from 40 yards away with a handgun.

    Instead of chasing the best possible setup like a video game, use the money you save on ammo to practice your aim more.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Are 5.56 SBRs useless?
    No. With proper ammo, here's what lengths and velocities have rifle-like effects on tissue:
    >10.3" ~80 Yards
    >11.5" ~150 Yards
    >12.5" ~250 Yards
    >14.5" ~450 Yards
    Pick the shortest barrel that is sufficient at your pre-determined maximum engagement distance. Use ammo that maintains a velocity of 2200fps+ to your maximum distance given your barrel length.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Wrong.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >10.5
      >80 yards
      What fucking source are you even citing here?

      Dumbest fucking shit I have ever read.

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    it’s literally poorgayry/govt logistics that forces people to choose 5.56. a civilian with means should build an sbr in 300blk. or just get used to a bullpup.

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous
  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >which will have better stopping power
    protip: it wont, velocity is still king, even when lacking.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What's the consensus on getting a 7.5 ar pistol to conceal in a bag
    Carnik con style

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      5.5 300BO law folder

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Isn't .300 only useful if you have a suppressor?
        I imagine any shorter barrel below around 11-12 inches is essentially just "whites of eyes" magdump tier

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >imagine any shorter barrel below around 11-12 inches is essentially just "whites of eyes" magdump tier
          Yeah it is. Anything below 14" and you start to get huge drops in speed of the bullet coming out. Trimming 1 or 2 inches off a 16 is fine and leaves you with plenty of power and maneuverability.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            That being said
            Wouldn't shorter barrels be fine for around 50-75 yards, 100 avg max, but something around those ranges?
            Probably not a 7.5 barrel but maybe like between around a 10.5" - <14" barrel length?
            I imagine alot of it, past the shorter lengths, really depend mostly on the shooter themselves

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              Yeah its probably fine for a truck gun or something. Just accept you have larger drops in speed per inch below 14. Probably still fine for close combat fight of some kind. It really depends on personally testing the sbr you want. Go build it and see how much speed you can get and how loud it is suppressed and decide if you like it and it feels trustworthy.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Supers are okay, it's like 7.62x39 which also performs okay out of shorter barrels. The main difference is .300bo is better out of the AR while 7.62x39 bolts aren't as durable and the mags aren't as reliable.

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    OP I'm gonna lay a huge secret on you. Just own both. Have a 10.3 AND a 14.5. Why not? Why wouldn't you do this?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      also OP can own one lower and buy different uppers in multiple lengths and calibers

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, get a bullpup if you want to be short.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    useless? no.

    as flexible as something in the 14.5+ barrel length range? no.

    people will tell you to use specific ammo in an SBR, but assuming the worst, you're not going to have access to that, and if you were going to buy a specific, expensive round, you should just go .300 blk, you wouldnt go with specialized 5.56.

    the real question is: is a slightly longer rifle more or less flexible than a short barrel rifle. and the answer is, a longer barrel is more flexible. a 16" barrel is perfectly maneuverable in close quarters, but a 7 inch AR will NEVER reach out to the distances you may want it to.

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i would rather have a 9mm pcc for anything short of a seal team 6 raid on osama bin ladens bunker for the fact that a 5.56 sbr would be loud as fuck to shoot inside a building without earpro

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      itll also ruin some of concealment of a suppressor and gas your face even more than a regular rifle.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >without earpro
      Wear earpro.

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You are such a fucking retard holy shit. Goddamn. How do you manage to breathe without fucking it up.
    >Stick with M193 which doesn't fragment/tumble at SBR velocities ruining the whole point of the 5.56 round but has best chances against armor/barriers
    All of that is fucking wrong and retarded. Penetrating plates is a dumb meme for plebs. 5.56 can't do it against any plate that matters. "Oh but m-muh AR500!" nobody worth killing wears AR500, only morons like you who will die all on their own without the intervention of society. You cannot penetrate level IV armor with any 5.56 you can get your hands on. M193 is incredibly deadly even from a short barrel.
    >(B) Softpoint/TAP/OTM rounds which will bring back the lethality of the 5.56 round at the cost of not penetrating any sort of plate armor and possibly having worse penetration on soft armors.
    Absolutely no real rifle round is failing on soft armor moron. Even subsonic .300blk can penetrate it.

    >At that point why not just get a 9mm carbine which will have better stopping power, cheaper ammo and is much more suppressible than a 5.56 SBR?
    Because a 9mm carbine does not have more stopping power, has barely cheaper ammo, and you're too poor and stupid to buy a suppressor anyway. Just because you made 5.56 marginally slower by using a shorter barrel than normal and made 9mm kinda sorta faster by getting a longer barrel doesn't mean the two rounds are anywhere near equivalent. You stupid illiterate fuck.

    A 55 gr projectile doing 2700+ FPS has 890 ft lbs of energy. Some 147 gr 9mm at 1050 FPS isn't even breaking 400 ft lbs. The two aren't on the same planet.
    >To the best of my knowledge
    Oh well that's the whole goddamn problem isn't it, your knowledge is a bunch of retarded memes you bought into rather than any actual information.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      lmao BTFOed OP. Hopefully he crawls back in his yuro closet where he came from.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Thank you for posting. Gem post

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    10.5s are ideal for vehicle and CQB its really not that hard to understand they'll definitely do the job

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Anything under 11.5 is going to be dog shit passed 100 yards. The Sweet spot is 12.5 to 14.5

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >baddie has plates
    Just shoot his hips out wtf
    It's literally just right below center mass

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    yes

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    cons:
    >worse accuracy
    >worse velocity
    >worse flash
    >worse sound
    >need gay brace or stamp
    >wastes half the cartridge's power if 5.56
    >100cpr ammo if .300 chimpout
    pros:
    >it's more maneuverable dude

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >worse accuracy
      Nope
      >worse velocity
      >worse flash
      >worse sound
      true
      >need gay brace or stamp
      "need"
      >wastes half the cartridge's power if 5.56
      Not even close

      >it's more maneuverable dude
      Yes, and?
      >b-but muh power muh velocity!
      So what? When will this actually matter? How many shootings do you think involve targets more than 50 yards away, never mind anywhere near the 300 yards effective range of a mk18?

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    An SBR is primarily used professionally if you are building a night gun to be used with NODs, because you can toss a full size can on the gun for flash suppression and your engagement range is limited due to vision. Usually with a high mounted dot and IR laser, and a magnifier can be useful when the sun rises.

    Any other use is even more niche than this application and likely doesn't apply to you.

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >hurr durr won't pen plates
    Hurr durr no fucking shit
    SBR has nothing to do with it though retard.
    >durr just get 9mm b/c handgun ammo has better STOPPING POWA!
    Stop smoking crack. Stop being retarded.
    I'm glad a Ukraine thread died, but will be equally glad when this thread does.

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    SBR 5.56 has plenty of options.

    https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/detailed-list-of-10-5-inch-specs-for-defense-223-5-56-ammo.829508/

    "With advancements bullet technology and pistol braces have led to short barrels being increasingly popular and a more viable option for SD/HD. I have done a good bit of research on how defensive rounds would work in short barrels and compiled a list of range and data to show the capabilities you would get using them with a 10.5 inch barrel in hopes that it will help others in their decision making process.

    I have listed the info in the order and format shown in the line below

    Name/Grain - G1 Ballistic coefficient - Approx Muzzle Velocity and foot pounds of muzzle enegry from a 10.5 inch barrel - Expansion Threshold - Approx range for expansion when using a 10.5 inch barrel.

    Federal TBBC XM556FBIT3 62 grain *(5.56) .224 ( ballistic coefficient) - 2557 Fps (muzzle velocity) 895 ft lbs (muzzle energy) - 2000 fps (Expansion threshold) - 150 yds (approx. range for expansion)
    Federal Fusion MSR 62 gr- B.C. .31 - 2504 fps - 860 ft lbs - 1700 fps or less - 300 yds
    Black Hills TMK 77 Gr (5.56) - BC .42 - 2410 fps - 985 ft lbs - 1900 fps or less - 250 yds
    Black Hills GMX 70 grain (5.56) BC. 350 - 2517 fps - 950 ft lbs - 2300 fps (*2000 fps) - *75 yds (Hornady claims a threshold of 2000 fps, but I have seen the 70 grain expand at 2300 but fail at 2200 fps)
    Black Hills TSX 50 gr (5.56) - BC .197 - 2750 fps - 840 ft lbs - 2300 fps - 100 yds
    Black Hills 77 grain MK262 mod 1 (5.56) BC .371 - 2420 fps - 985 ft lbs - 2200 fps (*2148) - *75 yds (2200 is the Manufactures stated threshold but I have seen it expand lower from a HK 416 10.3 inch barrel with a impact velocity of 2148 fps)"

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Continued...

      "Black Hills 69 grain SMK (5.56) - BC .317 - 2500 fps - 958 ft lbs - 2200 fps - 100 yds
      Black Hills 68 grain OTM (5.56) - BC .350- 2500 fps - 958 ft lbs - 2200 fps - 125 yds
      Barnes TSX 62 grain (5.56) - BC .286 - 2640 fps - 959 ft lbs - 2300 fps *(1800 fps) - * 150 yds *(Barnes claims expansion at 1800 fps,I have seen the TSX expand at 2300 fps but fail to expand at 2250)
      Barnes TSX 70 gr (5.56) - BC .314 - 2550 fps - 1101 ft lbs - 2300 fps *(1800 fps) - * 75 yds (Same as above)
      Speer GD 55 gr - BC .222 - 2620 fps - 826 ft lbs - 2000 fps (*1800 fps) - *150 yds *(2000 is the lowest expansion velocity I have seen but speer claims 1800)
      Speer GD 64 gr - BC .25 - 2330 fps - 785 ft lbs - 1900 fps (*1800) - *150 yds ( Speer claims a expansion threshold of 1800 fps, but 1900 is the lowest I have observed with the 64 grain GD)
      Hornady GMX 55 gr (5.56) - BC .27 - 2700 fps - 890 ft lbs - 2300 fps *(2000 fps) - *100 yds (Hornady claims a threshold of 2000 fps, but I have seen the 55 gr GMX expand at 2300 fps but fail at 2200 fps)
      Hornady 75 grain TAP T2 (5.56) - BC .395 - 2400 fps - 959 ft lbs - 2200 fps - 100 yds
      Nosler Bonded defense 64 grain BSB - BC .231 - 2300 - 752 ft lbs - 1800 fps (*1600 fps) - *150 yds *(Nosler list the threshold at 1600 fps, but I cant confirm less then 1800 fps )
      Winchester Ranger 64 gr BSB RA556B (5.56) - BC .231 - 2550 fps - 924 ft lbs - 1800 - (*1600 fps) -*225 yds - (Same bullet as Nosler bonded defense, but loaded at 5.56 pressures)
      Federal MK 318 sost 62 gr (5.56) - BC .307 - 2600 fps - 931 ft lbs - 2200 fps (*2000) - *150 yds *(2000 fps is a commonly given expansion threshold for the MK 318 but I cant find tests confirming under 2200)

      *(5.56) = data is for ammo loaded to 5.56 pressures..."

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        ..Continued...

        "BC= Ballistic coefficient

        **(all the data listed is for a 10.5 inch barrel)**
        If using a 7.5 inch, typically they have about 300 fps less then a 10.5 inch barrel using the same round so you can subtract 300 fps from the ones listed and use a ballistics calculator to find a estimated range the threshold will be with a 7.5 inch barrel.

        I tried to include expansion thresholds I have seen in tests along with the manufactures claims that I have received. If there was a difference between the manufactures claims and the test results I made a notation of that in parenthesis to the right of the list.

        With the distances listed for approx. expansion range, Some rounds are probably capable at longer ranges if the expansion thresholds according to the manufacture is correct, but whenever possible I listed the expansion range using the lowest impact velocity I can confirm from gel tests and using a ballistic calculator to determine what range that would be with the muzzle velocity from a 10.5 inch barrel...

        Basically, to err on the side of caution, I used the higher of the two and I listed the range as the distance testing shows they are capable of expanding reliably vs the distance they "might" expand at if the manufactures claims are correct. The exception being the MK262 77 grain SMK OTM mod 1 loaded by Black hills, in that case the lowest deformation velocity I found was lower then that given by the manufacture, but I still used the higher of the two figures when calculating the range for expansion."

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You're right, but you're also retarded. Instead of saying "Hey guys, 5.56 is shitty in a short barrel, so let's use 9mm carbines ." You should instead be saying "let's use .300BLK instead. Since 300BLK is made for SBRs

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Good m193 should fragment out of an sbr, but a there’s a lot of low velocity 55gr out there. That said it’s worth investing in a loadout or twos worth of good defensive ammo imo

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