None of us ever used one but sako has a good reputation. If it is reliable and the rail doesn’t suffer from bendy bill and sig bullshit (which at a glance it shouldn’t) it is probably a solid gun.
Setup seems pretty standard for a modern AR. Sako is quality. FDF should like their new rifles. If they sold them here then it would give a lot of over priced hype brands a very hard time.
Finland's set on 5.56 last I heard, it's Sweden that's being odd and has ordered 7.62 rifles as their new standard infantry weapon. We'll see how long that lasts though, it seems this was mostly a bright idea had by some specific people among the relevant top brass (within FM, not FMV, äras den som äras bör), and as they have now gone on to other jobs we'll see what comes of it all.I guess that as long as production hasn't started Sako won't really mind just making a bunch more of what they made for Finland instead.
Far as I know 5.56 was only confirmed for the pdw variants meant for tankers and such. The main infantry variant still hasn't been locked in 100 % and they're supposed to be trying out different calibers and barrel lengths until around 2025 before locking in a final larger order.
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>Far as I know 5.56 was only confirmed for the pdw variants meant for tankers and such.
Yep (assuming you mean for Sweden at least). Though that one's still in testing... but the odds of said tests resulting in anything but minor detail changes at this point are probably frick all.
>The main infantry variant still hasn't been locked in 100 % and they're supposed to be trying out different calibers and barrel lengths until around 2025 before locking in a final larger order.
Yep, Sako's busy making the Finnish guns at the moment, so while I think the 7.62 rifle has been ordered there's still time for a change of heart while they're still in the production que.
The AR10 wouldve won us the two asiatic wars we had but fudds had to do stupid shit like going to a varmint round, slapping a forward assist or a dust cover on it to prolong their adoption
Smh for stoner
The KAR21 in .308 is an okay civilian sporting rifle with some flaws resulting from the production runs being so tiny they're all basically prototypes. It's not ready for any sort of military use and will not cycle with all NATO ammo even though it has a hyper-violent ejection
>m-muh mass produced high precision tool of industrialized warfare isn't heckin unique enough >bluhuhuuu how could they just adopt the world's most proven and supported pattern for the infantry rifle used by almost every western country
Frick off homosexual avatargay.
I don't think anyone on here got into guns just because they loved the AR to the exclusion of anything else
Or if you did, more power to you, but don't drag the rest of us down along with you
Yeah except this is a thread about a foreign military selecting an AR-pattern rifle, and OP asking what American AR-enjoyer think about it.
If you want to chitchat about which obscure range toy to add to your collection next, there are plenty of threads for you. Your preferences and autism have no place in military procurement.
Not him, but I would not buy KAR-21 just for principle alone. Its manufacturers proved themselves to be douche bags by suing MPK for selecting to buy Sako's AR instead of their prototype-stage jammomatic. As if they would not understand why organization created to train reservists would choose rifle design most similar to next military service rifle instead of their special snowflake design, that is designed around caliber quick change feature, which MPK have no use (they will only use the rifles with cheapest available 5.56 anyway).
fal is inaccurate as frick.
when paying $2/shot with match ammo, you want your shot to go where you pointed it. Not possible with a shitbox 3MOA gun.
Plus FAL has no good attachment options for optics, which make it obsolescent rifle design as far as military use is concerned.
When it comes to 7.62 NATO service rifles, modern AR-10 designs are just so much better, that there is no real competition.
I shot these handloads at 150m the other day, your move. Yeah it's not zeroed for them
Not him, but I would not buy KAR-21 just for principle alone. Its manufacturers proved themselves to be douche bags by suing MPK for selecting to buy Sako's AR instead of their prototype-stage jammomatic. As if they would not understand why organization created to train reservists would choose rifle design most similar to next military service rifle instead of their special snowflake design, that is designed around caliber quick change feature, which MPK have no use (they will only use the rifles with cheapest available 5.56 anyway).
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Plus FAL has no good attachment options for optics, which make it obsolescent rifle design as far as military use is concerned.
When it comes to 7.62 NATO service rifles, modern AR-10 designs are just so much better, that there is no real competition.
I was calling him an arskaniilo because only Finnish ARgays get bent out of shape when the KAR-21 is mentioned, I don't think it's such a great rifle either but Finnish ARgays have no self-esteem and cry and gnash teeth every time they're reminded they aren't literally Americans
None of us ever used one but sako has a good reputation. If it is reliable and the rail doesn’t suffer from bendy bill and sig bullshit (which at a glance it shouldn’t) it is probably a solid gun.
>None of us ever used one
Well I would be amazed if even one of you had even seen one since it's just entered in production.
Well then there isn’t much to discuss
Pretty sure special forces have been trying it out for a while.
Setup seems pretty standard for a modern AR. Sako is quality. FDF should like their new rifles. If they sold them here then it would give a lot of over priced hype brands a very hard time.
>FDF should like their new rifles.
In FDF they are replacing Dragunovs and some older bolt action rifles based on Mosin Nagant bolt.
And the RK's are getting replaced with Sako 5.56 ARs right?
The caliber is still up in the air as far as I know but yes, the RKs are going to get replaced by an AR platform in the near future.
Finland's set on 5.56 last I heard, it's Sweden that's being odd and has ordered 7.62 rifles as their new standard infantry weapon. We'll see how long that lasts though, it seems this was mostly a bright idea had by some specific people among the relevant top brass (within FM, not FMV, äras den som äras bör), and as they have now gone on to other jobs we'll see what comes of it all.I guess that as long as production hasn't started Sako won't really mind just making a bunch more of what they made for Finland instead.
Far as I know 5.56 was only confirmed for the pdw variants meant for tankers and such. The main infantry variant still hasn't been locked in 100 % and they're supposed to be trying out different calibers and barrel lengths until around 2025 before locking in a final larger order.
>Far as I know 5.56 was only confirmed for the pdw variants meant for tankers and such.
Yep (assuming you mean for Sweden at least). Though that one's still in testing... but the odds of said tests resulting in anything but minor detail changes at this point are probably frick all.
>The main infantry variant still hasn't been locked in 100 % and they're supposed to be trying out different calibers and barrel lengths until around 2025 before locking in a final larger order.
Yep, Sako's busy making the Finnish guns at the moment, so while I think the 7.62 rifle has been ordered there's still time for a change of heart while they're still in the production que.
Yup its an ar10
The AR10 wouldve won us the two asiatic wars we had but fudds had to do stupid shit like going to a varmint round, slapping a forward assist or a dust cover on it to prolong their adoption
Smh for stoner
Wow another generic AR instead of the KAR21
The KAR21 in .308 is an okay civilian sporting rifle with some flaws resulting from the production runs being so tiny they're all basically prototypes. It's not ready for any sort of military use and will not cycle with all NATO ammo even though it has a hyper-violent ejection
>m-muh mass produced high precision tool of industrialized warfare isn't heckin unique enough
>bluhuhuuu how could they just adopt the world's most proven and supported pattern for the infantry rifle used by almost every western country
Frick off homosexual avatargay.
I don't think anyone on here got into guns just because they loved the AR to the exclusion of anything else
Or if you did, more power to you, but don't drag the rest of us down along with you
Yeah except this is a thread about a foreign military selecting an AR-pattern rifle, and OP asking what American AR-enjoyer think about it.
If you want to chitchat about which obscure range toy to add to your collection next, there are plenty of threads for you. Your preferences and autism have no place in military procurement.
Salty arskaniilo detected
Not him, but I would not buy KAR-21 just for principle alone. Its manufacturers proved themselves to be douche bags by suing MPK for selecting to buy Sako's AR instead of their prototype-stage jammomatic. As if they would not understand why organization created to train reservists would choose rifle design most similar to next military service rifle instead of their special snowflake design, that is designed around caliber quick change feature, which MPK have no use (they will only use the rifles with cheapest available 5.56 anyway).
Plus FAL has no good attachment options for optics, which make it obsolescent rifle design as far as military use is concerned.
When it comes to 7.62 NATO service rifles, modern AR-10 designs are just so much better, that there is no real competition.
When ACR-like adjustable folding stock for KAR21? The unnecessary buffertube design is holding the rifle back
Would prefer the classic tbh
Needs a forward assist.
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opinion disregarded
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fal is inaccurate as frick.
when paying $2/shot with match ammo, you want your shot to go where you pointed it. Not possible with a shitbox 3MOA gun.
I shot these handloads at 150m the other day, your move. Yeah it's not zeroed for them
I was calling him an arskaniilo because only Finnish ARgays get bent out of shape when the KAR-21 is mentioned, I don't think it's such a great rifle either but Finnish ARgays have no self-esteem and cry and gnash teeth every time they're reminded they aren't literally Americans
what are you on about? Americans love 308 ars