>aps being the hot new new
>when the real threat were the mines we ran over along the way
>aps being the hot new new. >when the real threat were the mines we ran over along the way
>aps being the hot new new
>when the real threat were the mines we ran over along the way
Mines aren't an issue for countries with air superiority, an excess of MICLICs and armored vehicles to deploy then from and who also use mine plows rather than rely on mine rollers
>an excess of MICLICs
Yeah okay moron have fun clearing 500 square miles
>”you just need to clear a few paths!”
Already proven to not work in the past 2 weeks
The enemy will not have their entire area mined
The main issues observation with adjusted artillery. We've seen plenty of attacks broken just with that. Mines make it more of a done deal.
>Yeah okay moron have fun clearing 500 square miles
That can be done after the war, moron. All that's needed during the war is a couple lanes after airpower has exterminated every enemy artillery and recon asset within 50 miles.
> bases entire worldview on one of the most outlier wars that ever happened
>bases entire worldview on his own delusions and outright schizo "logic" that falls apart udner a minimum of scrutiny
Nobody bothers clearing your "500 square miles" of minefields during a war. When you attack through a minefield, you clear a lane and move through that while ignoring the rest.
Like, holy fricking shit, even a 5-year-old should be capable of figuring this out with like half a minute of thinking, and yet here you are.
not the "500 square miles" guy but your idea of killing every asset is optimistic at best and semi moronic
>your idea of killing every asset is optimistic at best and semi moronic
That's exactly what happened in Iraq, and I doubt Russia is more competent than the Iraqis were at this point
see
Every war is an outlier when the military that conducts them is as well.
>is optimistic at best
Not when you're NATO.
>Already proven to not work in the past 2 weeks
Works when you have air superiority like that anon said, means you can obliterate enemy arty and fortifications before your mine clearers roll through.
An unguarded minefield is an inconvenience, not a threat, massive superiority in aviation and fires makes sure that the minefield isn't guarded, and then you don't even need to shoot MICLICS, you just demine it the old fashioned way and advance
The Saddam lines in Iraq were far more mine dense and fortified than the shit tier defensive lines Cuckniks hastily built in Ukraine. The US Army rolled on them in one day and sustaining ZERO casualties.
>Yeah okay moron have fun clearing 500 square miles
That's actually what MICLICs were designed for. Rather than clear all the mines you punch a few corridors through them.
Didn’t IEDs kill and maim a shit ton of soldiers in the last few decades?
Nearly all IEDs moved to being manually command-wire triggered due to advances in CIED and especially counter remote IED systems. Good for ambushes, not practical for a large minefield, and IEDs used in the GWOT got to be MUCH larger than the TM-62 which many crews can survive
Yeah those guys were using EFPs against fricking MRAPs or burying hundreds of pounds of artillery shells under the ground.
IEDs have both benefits and downsides that makes them simultaneously incredibly useful for certain armed groups but also incredibly impractical for others. The primary example is the lack of standardization. There is simply no rehearsing for defusing an IED, and every single one will present its own unique challenges and demand its own approached. Even thought they are universally much shoddier than mines produced by Russia they still end up being much more deadly as its just much easier to make a mistake that gets you killed.
On the other hand, the fact that IED's are standardized makes them impractical for a military such as Russia. Even though Fox and CNN makes it seem like hundreds of Americans are dying every day, IEDs only killed 1500 American servicemen, 250 British servicemen and 100 other servicemen over 3 million individual tours throughout Iraq and Afghanistan. Russia needs to kill 900,000 Ukrainian soldiers, and IEDs will at most only kill 5,000.
>muh mines
They aren't stopping even the Ukrainians in their peer conflict right now, only slowing them down.
Mines are only a problem if you’re a slavic orc (see: ukrainian and/or russian) incapable of dealing with them properly.
How are you supposed to deal with mines?
MICLICs, shooting the minelayers, combat engineers clearing them under cover of night or supressing fire.
Or by using mine roller- or plow-equipped tanks with the understanding that at least a few of them will disabled or destroyed in the process.
>Mines aren't an issue for countries with air superiority
I swear to Doge, this is the stupidest subreddit on all of PrepHole.
Don't worry I lost braincells too
breaching is easier when your opponent isn't raining artillery on your narrow breaching corridors because they're being flattened by rolling thunder
Having more fire support from the air and also from the ground makes it easier for mine vehicles to get rid of mines. Its harder to demine an area under artillery fire.
wait a minute, what's stopping anyone from converting A-10 Thundershits into dedicated mine-clearing aircraft with the braap gun?
The fact that they'd be garbage at it?
Because even with the volume of fire it's guaranteed to miss a whole lot of mines in the flight path by dint of statistics and bullets per square meter vs mines per square meter.
Plus, it would have to fly even lower and more slowly than usual to line it up and saturate the chosen area with fire to even try and trigger the mines, and anyone with anti air from a manpad to a SAM would be able to knock it down.
>aps being the hot new new
its quickly becoming as necessary as composite armor
because they greatly increase protection for the cost of simply bolting it and the necessary electronics on
>when the real threat were the mines we ran over along the way
engineering brigades will be organic to armored divisions
and the minefields are only dangerous if they are placed in a location where you have no choice but to go through them and you have no engineering units
why is nobody using meteorit for its intended purpose? pic unrel
I still miss her
We got tech for unmanned or radio controlled tanks. How about someone just use the gavins or any old vehicle as a sponge? That would solve the mine problem.
Why are you bringing up mines? Did something happen to provoke this discussion?
that is what the v hull is for
simply... jump over the mines...
BROTHER! WE MUST JUMP THE MINES, BUILD THE FORBIDDEN OBJECT! Buil.... the ramp!
APS isnt 'hot new' it was hot new a decade ago