Anyone else surprised how good the stinger has performed in Ukraine?

Anyone else surprised how good the stinger has performed in Ukraine?

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  1. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    how so? we jam most of them and the few hits were with iglas and Strela (both superior)

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >We

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Wuz

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pioruns perform better.

      Cope stupid vatnik, Pioruns are superior.
      https://youtube.com/shorts/yMHrtn9yVYY

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Pioruns aren’t special and only have a few kills. Less than 1,000 piorun have been produced total they aren’t a real competitor.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Pioruns aren’t special
          They are literally the mest MANPADS in their class right now???
          >Less than 1,000 piorun have been produced total they aren’t a real competitor.
          Kek, multiple countries have ordered them now, including the U.S., which is interested to get tech transfer and start domestic production of Piorun's baseline tech (with cooperation from Polish engineers from Mesko) to replace their older Stingers.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >jam

      Not really how thar works

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >t.pajeet

  2. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Starstreak BTFO

  3. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Is there any evidence that most air to air kills were done by stingers? I'm not saying they are bad but when we (Turks) used them to try and shootdown Russian aircraft like Su-34, they mostly failed. However they were very efficient in shooting the junk Syrian AF helicopters like Mi-17. Vid related is when we attempted a shootdown of Su-34 over Idlib in 2020.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Is there any evidence that most air to air kills were done by stingers?
      Stingerbros, it's over unless we can convince this random guy on the internet. The DoD is literally seconds from pushing the button and scrapping the entire system forever

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >The DoD is literally seconds from pushing the button and scrapping the entire system forever
        Yep, because they want the PPZR Piorun, which performed the best in the U.S. MANPADS weapons replacement program tender with the best cost-effect.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous
          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous
            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Norway's new MANPADS, gentlemen, soon to be U.S.'s as well.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >stinger
      >air to air kills

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yo, let me pop the hatch on my F16 so I can shoot you with a stinger.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Battlefield is real and I'm not accepting anything else.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        although he mispoke, the stinger *is* mounted on helicopters

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          https://i.imgur.com/AA7Iklx.jpg

          >stinger
          >air to air kills

          Drones also mount stingers. A Predator might've racked a few kills sometime ago.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Utterly moronic idea, a Predator tried to down an Iraqi Mig25, it fired 2 stingers one got confused by the incoming missile and the other couldnt lock on it was then vapourised by an iraqi lmao

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      I cant vouch for the turkshit Roachestan made models.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >we (Turks) used them to try and shootdown Russian aircraft like Su-34, they mostly failed.
      It's confirmed that PPZR Pioruns have taken out Mi-24s and Ka-52s, a Su-25 and a Su-34, including Russian cruise missiles as well.
      >In 2022, Poland announced the rapid supply of Ukraine with Pioruns during the 2021–2022 Russo-Ukrainian crisis. Since the beginning of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Armed Forces of Ukraine alleged that a number of Russian jet fighters (Su-34, Su-25) and helicopters (Mi-24, Ka-52) were shot down with Piorun missiles.
      https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_november_2022_global_security_army_industry/mesko_from_poland_to_deliver_piorun_air_defense_missile_systems_to_norwegian_army.html

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Stinger has an su-30 kill. Much more impressive

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          If a Stinger could shoot it down, then a Piorun would most likely have shoot it down as well.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >if
            >most likely
            kek

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >most likely
              What I meant by that a Piorun, which is even better than a Stinger, would even have it easier to shoot it down.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                If that were true the piorun would have shot one down. But kek it hasn’t

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                COPE more.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      dumb Black person, stinger isn't made to go against fighter jets, no manpads are
      you need proper SAM with longer range for that

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Eh, they actually are, moron, at least the newer ones.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        That makes the stinger shootdown of an su-30 even more impressive.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Any MANPADS failing to take down a strike aircraft isn't particularly surprising. When they do get kills on those sorts of craft it is generally because they are either pulling risky maneuvers / running CAS (e.g. having Vipers strafe targets, which is rarely done because of the risk), because they have been forced into flying very low/slow due to other threats, it's an ambush when they are taking off/landing, or because of poor pilot training. Strike aircraft and multiroles are generally moving much faster and higher than what a MANPADS is suited for.

      A knock against a MANPADS is if it fails to knock out a helicopter or plane flying close air support missions, i.e. low and slow, Frogfoots, Warthogs, etc.

      I know some new SHORAD missiles begin to bleed into HIMAD territory, but they aren't man portable and that's unconfirmed Chinese specs anyhow.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      MANPADS are usually garbage for shooting down Fighter Aircraft, since they can easily be spoofed by Flares, and can easily be flown over since they only have a 5km range. All a fighter jet would have to do is fly at around 35k feet and theyre not a threat, larger SAMs like the Patriot are what you shoot a Fighter down with.

      But its really good for taking out Helos, really good, they can only do 1.5km altitude max well within range, and they cant outfly them to save their lives, the thing that fighters do is they couple the flares with evasive maneuvers and bam most MANPADS cant hit em, but a patriot or something larger can, especially if its RADAR guided. Heat Seekers are pretty old tech, but still good for killing those Hinds and Havoks.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >MANPADS are usually garbage for shooting down Fighter Aircraft, since they can easily be spoofed by Flares,
        Piorun's optoelectronic seeker is programmed to ignore flares and keep target on the first initial source target chosen (be it an aircraft, drone or cruise missile etc.), basically making it immune to countermeasures by just simply dgaf and ignoring them. That's one of the main reasons for Piorun's high success hit rate (98% when compared to Stingers 70%).

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          It doesn’t work as advertised. The polish just aren’t very good at technology. That’s why the old stinger is so much better in practice

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It doesn’t work as advertised.
            Stop spewing shit out of your ass, troony.

            >The polish just aren’t very good at technology.
            Cope some more and just stfu you moron.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          It doesn’t work as advertised. The polish just aren’t very good at technology. That’s why the old stinger is so much better in practice

          Any American system is going to work better than advertised, we keep the updates and effectiveness a secret, we wanted to lure Putins airforce out with rumors of our weapons ineffectiveness since he usually likes to keep it in hiding for fear of losing it since hes unable to replace it and their lack of new fighters and bombers since the end of the 80s shows that. We saw their “newest and fastest missile in the world” get taken out by the Patriot and Stingers which at this point after all their upgrades are no longer the same weapons they were since they came out.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Stingers have an effective hit rate of ~70% in Ukraine.

  4. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Surprised? Nah.

  5. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    stinger isn't even on the battlefield anymore. they used them all up last year

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      They’ve been in the last few aid packages

      Is there any evidence that most air to air kills were done by stingers? I'm not saying they are bad but when we (Turks) used them to try and shootdown Russian aircraft like Su-34, they mostly failed. However they were very efficient in shooting the junk Syrian AF helicopters like Mi-17. Vid related is when we attempted a shootdown of Su-34 over Idlib in 2020.

      No numbers just lots of videos and reports

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        No? Not really

        >Lots of videos
        I havent seen that many, 5? Maybe less?
        Most of the AA videos ive seen are Igla Strela Martlet the rest you cant tell because its just a smoke trail then a hit filmed via drone.

        Is there any evidence that most air to air kills were done by stingers? I'm not saying they are bad but when we (Turks) used them to try and shootdown Russian aircraft like Su-34, they mostly failed. However they were very efficient in shooting the junk Syrian AF helicopters like Mi-17. Vid related is when we attempted a shootdown of Su-34 over Idlib in 2020.

        Ty anon i havent seen that before.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          > I havent seen that many
          Why does that matter at all

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Anon says hes seen lots of videos
            >Answer that i havent
            >Random moron asks why does that matter
            Do you have autism?

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              It simply doesn't matter what (You) have seen or not. You're some random fat guy on the internet. We're discussing a war. Shut the frick up and go back to your child porn and videogames

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >gets mad when given an answer to a question
                Lol
                Lmao
                Autism alright

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          >Most of the AA videos ive seen are Igla Strela Martlet
          A lot of these videos people claim are "Iglas" or "Strelas" are in fact misidentified Pioruns, which are much better.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            Paywall

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              Huh?

  6. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    I never doubted it. It’s simple to use and pretty effective. Bonus points for being mass produced and light enough that you can scatter them to all of your units

  7. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    rather cheap for how many of them there are, and more effective than Iglas, Strelas, And Pioruns.

    Plus we sent a bunch of VR training equipment so that a teenager van becoms proficient against soviet birds without having to actually fire expensive missiles.

    I still am disappointed about Starstreak and await its redemption arc simply because of how autistic the engineering behind it is.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I still am disappointed about Starstreak and await its redemption arc simply because of how autistic the engineering behind it is.
      Starstreak’s re-entering production apparently, link related https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-shoulder-fired-missile-making-a-comeback-6c8bd0a0

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >and more effective than
      >Pioruns
      Complete BS, BULL SHIT

      https://i.imgur.com/63RsrqQ.png

      >Pioruns aren’t special
      They are literally the mest MANPADS in their class right now???
      >Less than 1,000 piorun have been produced total they aren’t a real competitor.
      Kek, multiple countries have ordered them now, including the U.S., which is interested to get tech transfer and start domestic production of Piorun's baseline tech (with cooperation from Polish engineers from Mesko) to replace their older Stingers.

      https://i.imgur.com/sFovxg4.jpg

      >most likely
      What I meant by that a Piorun, which is even better than a Stinger, would even have it easier to shoot it down.

      https://i.imgur.com/0VsyOuH.jpg

      >The DoD is literally seconds from pushing the button and scrapping the entire system forever
      Yep, because they want the PPZR Piorun, which performed the best in the U.S. MANPADS weapons replacement program tender with the best cost-effect.

      Just look at and compare the tech specs.

      https://i.imgur.com/hRxLkVp.png

      COPE more.

      https://i.imgur.com/ENSsdBs.png

      P.S. Sorry, but the PPZR Piorun is a much newer and also better MANPADS platform than the now older Stingers, duh.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Its warriortard hes been banned multiple times lately you can recognise his posting style and topics such as the warrior starstreak bradley stinger, hes the resident loser and bullying victim. He is also no guns.

  8. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >16 posters
    >17 replies
    Wow stinger PR is working

  9. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    No. Stinger was top of the line in 90s and most RU aircraft were from 70s and 80s most of their helicopter force does not have MWSs and just mediocre flares.

  10. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The stinger is so fricking good. I was surprised how much the Ukrainians prefer the stinger over the IGLA

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Nah, i wouldnt give credit to what they say. Saying bad things about a weapon donated from your biggest donator wouldnt go down well. Havent you heard the saying "dont bite the hand that feeds you" it holds weight.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Look man I don’t really care about your copeing mechanism

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Dont reply? Seems to me there is an autist here defending the stingers honor like its his woman. Post guns.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            The autist is you getting upset and making excuses for the stingers popularity.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        >"We'd better not say anything bad about this weapon that doesn't work or they'll stop giving them to us."

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          It’s his magnum copus

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Yes they do, but I have also read more than one opinion that Ukrainian soliders prefer the Piorun over the Stinger, in fact, it's their favorite MANPADS. Sure, the Starsterak is better, but it's also a bit of a different class of MANPADS, which is heavier and bulkier to carry around.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Most of what I’ve read suggests they prefer the stinger over the piorun, in fact stinger is their favorite

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Complete total lie, stop lying homosexual.

          • 11 months ago
            Anonymous

            No it’s the opinions of ukranian soldiers. That’s what everyone is reading

            • 11 months ago
              Anonymous

              >No it’s the opinions of ukranian soldiers.
              Yes, that's what I'm talking about, moron. I've read multiple UKRAINAIN SOLIDER opinions that say they prefer the Piorun over the Stinger.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Yes and I said the same exact thing but then preferring stinger. Why are you getting mad

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                >Yes and I said the same exact thing but then preferring stinger.
                Not true.

                I’ve read a lot of Ukrainian soldiers who said the piorun wasn’t very good.

                Stop lying.

                They call it the polish piss tube

                Lying frick.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                You’re lying

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                No, you're.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Are you polish by any chance

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                Why you ask?

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                I’ve read a lot of Ukrainian soldiers who said the piorun wasn’t very good.

              • 11 months ago
                Anonymous

                They call it the polish piss tube

  11. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Warriortard thread
    Why even bother

  12. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >surprised
    No.It's a pretty good MANPADS, but the other ones like Ukie domestic Igla-1M, Polish Piorun, etc. performed very well too.

  13. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Anyone else surprised how good the stinger has performed in Ukraine?
    Not really. It's shooting the same monkey-tier hardware it was back during Trashcanistan.

  14. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    What's the maximum practical range for a MANPADS? How big can you go? It seems like none of the systems in inventory are able to reach out and touch an attack helicopter that's on the defensive at it's own max range.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous
      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Yeah you posted that, and you can even go bigger like Mistral. I'm curious how big you can go and still call it man portable.

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          I mean, isn't the Starstreak technically a MANPADS as well? But that's a heavier class of MANPADS.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Piorun and Martlet are liks 7-9km
      Stinger is almost half both of the above.

      Stinger has an su-30 kill. Much more impressive

      >Ghost of stinger
      Sure it does bub kek

      Is there any evidence that most air to air kills were done by stingers? I'm not saying they are bad but when we (Turks) used them to try and shootdown Russian aircraft like Su-34, they mostly failed. However they were very efficient in shooting the junk Syrian AF helicopters like Mi-17. Vid related is when we attempted a shootdown of Su-34 over Idlib in 2020.

      just like it did here right? What a chump lmao

  15. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Piorun shiller is warriortard

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Piorun shiller is warriortard
      You're also a fricktard, "mate".

      P.S. Why the frick would I shill for the outdated shitbox Warrior, when I'm Polish??? If anything, I will shill for the Borsuk, all day every day.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Piorun spammer is polish. disregarded entirely

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          Me being Polish has nothing to do with the objective fact that Piorun has scored the highest in the next U.S. MANPADS tender last year and that U.S. have bought hundreds of Pioruns for testing and are now interested in cooperation with Polish Mesko and Piorun technology transfers and domestic production of it in the U.S. But not only the U.S., Esonia and even Norway has bought Pioruns as well.

          P.S. Seethe and cope, homosexual.

  16. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Starstreak and Brimstone perfromed better but their success was suppressed and falsely attributed to Stinger.

  17. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    No, the G model stingers are REALLY fricking good. I am surprised at the utter lack of Russian air power being used outside standoff. I fully expected the SU57 felon with AWACS to mix it up a bit, but alas, no happiness.
    My problem is that I don't believe the propaganda coming out of the American press any more than I do the Russians, but if things start going sour for the Russians, I am hoping they actually use the Felon so we can see if it stands up to the hype.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      >G model
      Aren't all Stingers now either J (shoulder) or K (vehicle) models? I vaguely remember reading how they were remanufactured (to replace seals, batteries, check connectors etc.) between in the late '10s.

  18. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    That’s a sexy missile

  19. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why are MANPAD threads always devolving into people *very* weirdly arguing about MANPAD systems as though their own reputation was at stake?
    Also, Polish anon, the more incessantly you spam and shill the Piorun, the more anons will troll you by calling it garbage.
    Armatard behavior will get the armatard treatment regardless of the shit you're shilling.
    See how well people tolerate Korea Stronk spam.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Well said.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      This is very clearly a Warriortard thread and you frickers fall for it EVERY TIME.

      • 11 months ago
        Anonymous

        Nah i thinks this is the work of the polish spammer. I don’t put too much stock into
        the warriortard narrative

        • 11 months ago
          Anonymous

          You're actually moronic, fricktard.

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      Well, I think I defended the honour of the Grot quite well before, regardless of the backlash from some homosexuals like that Wagnercuck etc., while a similar amount backed my side.

  20. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    The 1980s version stinger worked well against soviet aircraft in Afghanistan war

    1990s stinger-C model RMP

    Late 1990s-2000s stinger-E model RMP Block I

    Current Stinger-F

    Meanwhile...... Russia is still flying the same Soviet planes

  21. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Most of stingers success comes from quanity being one hell of a quality so just showing up puts them ahead of the game.
    As far as performance vs other manpads on a 1 to 1 basis I honestly have no clue.

  22. 11 months ago
    Anonymous

    Why would anyone be surprised?

    • 11 months ago
      Anonymous

      It's been a running meme america is a failed state incapable of doing anything for almost 20 years now.
      Also somehow the CIA is simtalously behind everything bad to ever happen to anyone but its also ran by trannies.

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