>Pioruns aren’t special
They are literally the mest MANPADS in their class right now??? >Less than 1,000 piorun have been produced total they aren’t a real competitor.
Kek, multiple countries have ordered them now, including the U.S., which is interested to get tech transfer and start domestic production of Piorun's baseline tech (with cooperation from Polish engineers from Mesko) to replace their older Stingers.
Is there any evidence that most air to air kills were done by stingers? I'm not saying they are bad but when we (Turks) used them to try and shootdown Russian aircraft like Su-34, they mostly failed. However they were very efficient in shooting the junk Syrian AF helicopters like Mi-17. Vid related is when we attempted a shootdown of Su-34 over Idlib in 2020.
>Is there any evidence that most air to air kills were done by stingers?
Stingerbros, it's over unless we can convince this random guy on the internet. The DoD is literally seconds from pushing the button and scrapping the entire system forever
>The DoD is literally seconds from pushing the button and scrapping the entire system forever
Yep, because they want the PPZR Piorun, which performed the best in the U.S. MANPADS weapons replacement program tender with the best cost-effect.
Utterly moronic idea, a Predator tried to down an Iraqi Mig25, it fired 2 stingers one got confused by the incoming missile and the other couldnt lock on it was then vapourised by an iraqi lmao
>we (Turks) used them to try and shootdown Russian aircraft like Su-34, they mostly failed.
It's confirmed that PPZR Pioruns have taken out Mi-24s and Ka-52s, a Su-25 and a Su-34, including Russian cruise missiles as well. >In 2022, Poland announced the rapid supply of Ukraine with Pioruns during the 2021–2022 Russo-Ukrainian crisis. Since the beginning of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Armed Forces of Ukraine alleged that a number of Russian jet fighters (Su-34, Su-25) and helicopters (Mi-24, Ka-52) were shot down with Piorun missiles.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_november_2022_global_security_army_industry/mesko_from_poland_to_deliver_piorun_air_defense_missile_systems_to_norwegian_army.html
Any MANPADS failing to take down a strike aircraft isn't particularly surprising. When they do get kills on those sorts of craft it is generally because they are either pulling risky maneuvers / running CAS (e.g. having Vipers strafe targets, which is rarely done because of the risk), because they have been forced into flying very low/slow due to other threats, it's an ambush when they are taking off/landing, or because of poor pilot training. Strike aircraft and multiroles are generally moving much faster and higher than what a MANPADS is suited for.
A knock against a MANPADS is if it fails to knock out a helicopter or plane flying close air support missions, i.e. low and slow, Frogfoots, Warthogs, etc.
I know some new SHORAD missiles begin to bleed into HIMAD territory, but they aren't man portable and that's unconfirmed Chinese specs anyhow.
MANPADS are usually garbage for shooting down Fighter Aircraft, since they can easily be spoofed by Flares, and can easily be flown over since they only have a 5km range. All a fighter jet would have to do is fly at around 35k feet and theyre not a threat, larger SAMs like the Patriot are what you shoot a Fighter down with.
But its really good for taking out Helos, really good, they can only do 1.5km altitude max well within range, and they cant outfly them to save their lives, the thing that fighters do is they couple the flares with evasive maneuvers and bam most MANPADS cant hit em, but a patriot or something larger can, especially if its RADAR guided. Heat Seekers are pretty old tech, but still good for killing those Hinds and Havoks.
>MANPADS are usually garbage for shooting down Fighter Aircraft, since they can easily be spoofed by Flares,
Piorun's optoelectronic seeker is programmed to ignore flares and keep target on the first initial source target chosen (be it an aircraft, drone or cruise missile etc.), basically making it immune to countermeasures by just simply dgaf and ignoring them. That's one of the main reasons for Piorun's high success hit rate (98% when compared to Stingers 70%).
It doesn’t work as advertised. The polish just aren’t very good at technology. That’s why the old stinger is so much better in practice
Any American system is going to work better than advertised, we keep the updates and effectiveness a secret, we wanted to lure Putins airforce out with rumors of our weapons ineffectiveness since he usually likes to keep it in hiding for fear of losing it since hes unable to replace it and their lack of new fighters and bombers since the end of the 80s shows that. We saw their “newest and fastest missile in the world” get taken out by the Patriot and Stingers which at this point after all their upgrades are no longer the same weapons they were since they came out.
Is there any evidence that most air to air kills were done by stingers? I'm not saying they are bad but when we (Turks) used them to try and shootdown Russian aircraft like Su-34, they mostly failed. However they were very efficient in shooting the junk Syrian AF helicopters like Mi-17. Vid related is when we attempted a shootdown of Su-34 over Idlib in 2020.
>Lots of videos
I havent seen that many, 5? Maybe less?
Most of the AA videos ive seen are Igla Strela Martlet the rest you cant tell because its just a smoke trail then a hit filmed via drone.
Is there any evidence that most air to air kills were done by stingers? I'm not saying they are bad but when we (Turks) used them to try and shootdown Russian aircraft like Su-34, they mostly failed. However they were very efficient in shooting the junk Syrian AF helicopters like Mi-17. Vid related is when we attempted a shootdown of Su-34 over Idlib in 2020.
It simply doesn't matter what (You) have seen or not. You're some random fat guy on the internet. We're discussing a war. Shut the frick up and go back to your child porn and videogames
11 months ago
Anonymous
>gets mad when given an answer to a question
Lol
Lmao
Autism alright
>Most of the AA videos ive seen are Igla Strela Martlet
A lot of these videos people claim are "Iglas" or "Strelas" are in fact misidentified Pioruns, which are much better.
I never doubted it. It’s simple to use and pretty effective. Bonus points for being mass produced and light enough that you can scatter them to all of your units
rather cheap for how many of them there are, and more effective than Iglas, Strelas, And Pioruns.
Plus we sent a bunch of VR training equipment so that a teenager van becoms proficient against soviet birds without having to actually fire expensive missiles.
I still am disappointed about Starstreak and await its redemption arc simply because of how autistic the engineering behind it is.
>I still am disappointed about Starstreak and await its redemption arc simply because of how autistic the engineering behind it is.
Starstreak’s re-entering production apparently, link related https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-shoulder-fired-missile-making-a-comeback-6c8bd0a0
>and more effective than >Pioruns
Complete BS, BULL SHIT
https://i.imgur.com/63RsrqQ.png
>Pioruns aren’t special
They are literally the mest MANPADS in their class right now??? >Less than 1,000 piorun have been produced total they aren’t a real competitor.
Kek, multiple countries have ordered them now, including the U.S., which is interested to get tech transfer and start domestic production of Piorun's baseline tech (with cooperation from Polish engineers from Mesko) to replace their older Stingers.
https://i.imgur.com/sFovxg4.jpg
>most likely
What I meant by that a Piorun, which is even better than a Stinger, would even have it easier to shoot it down.
https://i.imgur.com/0VsyOuH.jpg
>The DoD is literally seconds from pushing the button and scrapping the entire system forever
Yep, because they want the PPZR Piorun, which performed the best in the U.S. MANPADS weapons replacement program tender with the best cost-effect.
Just look at and compare the tech specs.
https://i.imgur.com/hRxLkVp.png
COPE more.
https://i.imgur.com/ENSsdBs.png
P.S. Sorry, but the PPZR Piorun is a much newer and also better MANPADS platform than the now older Stingers, duh.
Its warriortard hes been banned multiple times lately you can recognise his posting style and topics such as the warrior starstreak bradley stinger, hes the resident loser and bullying victim. He is also no guns.
No. Stinger was top of the line in 90s and most RU aircraft were from 70s and 80s most of their helicopter force does not have MWSs and just mediocre flares.
Nah, i wouldnt give credit to what they say. Saying bad things about a weapon donated from your biggest donator wouldnt go down well. Havent you heard the saying "dont bite the hand that feeds you" it holds weight.
Yes they do, but I have also read more than one opinion that Ukrainian soliders prefer the Piorun over the Stinger, in fact, it's their favorite MANPADS. Sure, the Starsterak is better, but it's also a bit of a different class of MANPADS, which is heavier and bulkier to carry around.
>No it’s the opinions of ukranian soldiers.
Yes, that's what I'm talking about, moron. I've read multiple UKRAINAIN SOLIDER opinions that say they prefer the Piorun over the Stinger.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Yes and I said the same exact thing but then preferring stinger. Why are you getting mad
11 months ago
Anonymous
>Yes and I said the same exact thing but then preferring stinger.
Not true.
I’ve read a lot of Ukrainian soldiers who said the piorun wasn’t very good.
Stop lying.
They call it the polish piss tube
Lying frick.
11 months ago
Anonymous
You’re lying
11 months ago
Anonymous
No, you're.
11 months ago
Anonymous
Are you polish by any chance
11 months ago
Anonymous
Why you ask?
11 months ago
Anonymous
I’ve read a lot of Ukrainian soldiers who said the piorun wasn’t very good.
>Anyone else surprised how good the stinger has performed in Ukraine?
Not really. It's shooting the same monkey-tier hardware it was back during Trashcanistan.
What's the maximum practical range for a MANPADS? How big can you go? It seems like none of the systems in inventory are able to reach out and touch an attack helicopter that's on the defensive at it's own max range.
Piorun and Martlet are liks 7-9km
Stinger is almost half both of the above.
Stinger has an su-30 kill. Much more impressive
>Ghost of stinger
Sure it does bub kek
Is there any evidence that most air to air kills were done by stingers? I'm not saying they are bad but when we (Turks) used them to try and shootdown Russian aircraft like Su-34, they mostly failed. However they were very efficient in shooting the junk Syrian AF helicopters like Mi-17. Vid related is when we attempted a shootdown of Su-34 over Idlib in 2020.
Me being Polish has nothing to do with the objective fact that Piorun has scored the highest in the next U.S. MANPADS tender last year and that U.S. have bought hundreds of Pioruns for testing and are now interested in cooperation with Polish Mesko and Piorun technology transfers and domestic production of it in the U.S. But not only the U.S., Esonia and even Norway has bought Pioruns as well.
No, the G model stingers are REALLY fricking good. I am surprised at the utter lack of Russian air power being used outside standoff. I fully expected the SU57 felon with AWACS to mix it up a bit, but alas, no happiness.
My problem is that I don't believe the propaganda coming out of the American press any more than I do the Russians, but if things start going sour for the Russians, I am hoping they actually use the Felon so we can see if it stands up to the hype.
>G model
Aren't all Stingers now either J (shoulder) or K (vehicle) models? I vaguely remember reading how they were remanufactured (to replace seals, batteries, check connectors etc.) between in the late '10s.
Why are MANPAD threads always devolving into people *very* weirdly arguing about MANPAD systems as though their own reputation was at stake?
Also, Polish anon, the more incessantly you spam and shill the Piorun, the more anons will troll you by calling it garbage.
Armatard behavior will get the armatard treatment regardless of the shit you're shilling.
See how well people tolerate Korea Stronk spam.
Well, I think I defended the honour of the Grot quite well before, regardless of the backlash from some homosexuals like that Wagnercuck etc., while a similar amount backed my side.
Most of stingers success comes from quanity being one hell of a quality so just showing up puts them ahead of the game.
As far as performance vs other manpads on a 1 to 1 basis I honestly have no clue.
It's been a running meme america is a failed state incapable of doing anything for almost 20 years now.
Also somehow the CIA is simtalously behind everything bad to ever happen to anyone but its also ran by trannies.
how so? we jam most of them and the few hits were with iglas and Strela (both superior)
>We
>Wuz
Pioruns perform better.
Cope stupid vatnik, Pioruns are superior.
https://youtube.com/shorts/yMHrtn9yVYY
Pioruns aren’t special and only have a few kills. Less than 1,000 piorun have been produced total they aren’t a real competitor.
>Pioruns aren’t special
They are literally the mest MANPADS in their class right now???
>Less than 1,000 piorun have been produced total they aren’t a real competitor.
Kek, multiple countries have ordered them now, including the U.S., which is interested to get tech transfer and start domestic production of Piorun's baseline tech (with cooperation from Polish engineers from Mesko) to replace their older Stingers.
>jam
Not really how thar works
>t.pajeet
Starstreak BTFO
Is there any evidence that most air to air kills were done by stingers? I'm not saying they are bad but when we (Turks) used them to try and shootdown Russian aircraft like Su-34, they mostly failed. However they were very efficient in shooting the junk Syrian AF helicopters like Mi-17. Vid related is when we attempted a shootdown of Su-34 over Idlib in 2020.
>Is there any evidence that most air to air kills were done by stingers?
Stingerbros, it's over unless we can convince this random guy on the internet. The DoD is literally seconds from pushing the button and scrapping the entire system forever
>The DoD is literally seconds from pushing the button and scrapping the entire system forever
Yep, because they want the PPZR Piorun, which performed the best in the U.S. MANPADS weapons replacement program tender with the best cost-effect.
Norway's new MANPADS, gentlemen, soon to be U.S.'s as well.
>stinger
>air to air kills
Yo, let me pop the hatch on my F16 so I can shoot you with a stinger.
Battlefield is real and I'm not accepting anything else.
although he mispoke, the stinger *is* mounted on helicopters
Drones also mount stingers. A Predator might've racked a few kills sometime ago.
Utterly moronic idea, a Predator tried to down an Iraqi Mig25, it fired 2 stingers one got confused by the incoming missile and the other couldnt lock on it was then vapourised by an iraqi lmao
I cant vouch for the turkshit Roachestan made models.
>we (Turks) used them to try and shootdown Russian aircraft like Su-34, they mostly failed.
It's confirmed that PPZR Pioruns have taken out Mi-24s and Ka-52s, a Su-25 and a Su-34, including Russian cruise missiles as well.
>In 2022, Poland announced the rapid supply of Ukraine with Pioruns during the 2021–2022 Russo-Ukrainian crisis. Since the beginning of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine, the Armed Forces of Ukraine alleged that a number of Russian jet fighters (Su-34, Su-25) and helicopters (Mi-24, Ka-52) were shot down with Piorun missiles.
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_november_2022_global_security_army_industry/mesko_from_poland_to_deliver_piorun_air_defense_missile_systems_to_norwegian_army.html
Stinger has an su-30 kill. Much more impressive
If a Stinger could shoot it down, then a Piorun would most likely have shoot it down as well.
>if
>most likely
kek
>most likely
What I meant by that a Piorun, which is even better than a Stinger, would even have it easier to shoot it down.
If that were true the piorun would have shot one down. But kek it hasn’t
COPE more.
dumb Black person, stinger isn't made to go against fighter jets, no manpads are
you need proper SAM with longer range for that
Eh, they actually are, moron, at least the newer ones.
That makes the stinger shootdown of an su-30 even more impressive.
Any MANPADS failing to take down a strike aircraft isn't particularly surprising. When they do get kills on those sorts of craft it is generally because they are either pulling risky maneuvers / running CAS (e.g. having Vipers strafe targets, which is rarely done because of the risk), because they have been forced into flying very low/slow due to other threats, it's an ambush when they are taking off/landing, or because of poor pilot training. Strike aircraft and multiroles are generally moving much faster and higher than what a MANPADS is suited for.
A knock against a MANPADS is if it fails to knock out a helicopter or plane flying close air support missions, i.e. low and slow, Frogfoots, Warthogs, etc.
I know some new SHORAD missiles begin to bleed into HIMAD territory, but they aren't man portable and that's unconfirmed Chinese specs anyhow.
MANPADS are usually garbage for shooting down Fighter Aircraft, since they can easily be spoofed by Flares, and can easily be flown over since they only have a 5km range. All a fighter jet would have to do is fly at around 35k feet and theyre not a threat, larger SAMs like the Patriot are what you shoot a Fighter down with.
But its really good for taking out Helos, really good, they can only do 1.5km altitude max well within range, and they cant outfly them to save their lives, the thing that fighters do is they couple the flares with evasive maneuvers and bam most MANPADS cant hit em, but a patriot or something larger can, especially if its RADAR guided. Heat Seekers are pretty old tech, but still good for killing those Hinds and Havoks.
>MANPADS are usually garbage for shooting down Fighter Aircraft, since they can easily be spoofed by Flares,
Piorun's optoelectronic seeker is programmed to ignore flares and keep target on the first initial source target chosen (be it an aircraft, drone or cruise missile etc.), basically making it immune to countermeasures by just simply dgaf and ignoring them. That's one of the main reasons for Piorun's high success hit rate (98% when compared to Stingers 70%).
It doesn’t work as advertised. The polish just aren’t very good at technology. That’s why the old stinger is so much better in practice
>It doesn’t work as advertised.
Stop spewing shit out of your ass, troony.
>The polish just aren’t very good at technology.
Cope some more and just stfu you moron.
Any American system is going to work better than advertised, we keep the updates and effectiveness a secret, we wanted to lure Putins airforce out with rumors of our weapons ineffectiveness since he usually likes to keep it in hiding for fear of losing it since hes unable to replace it and their lack of new fighters and bombers since the end of the 80s shows that. We saw their “newest and fastest missile in the world” get taken out by the Patriot and Stingers which at this point after all their upgrades are no longer the same weapons they were since they came out.
Stingers have an effective hit rate of ~70% in Ukraine.
Surprised? Nah.
stinger isn't even on the battlefield anymore. they used them all up last year
They’ve been in the last few aid packages
No numbers just lots of videos and reports
No? Not really
>Lots of videos
I havent seen that many, 5? Maybe less?
Most of the AA videos ive seen are Igla Strela Martlet the rest you cant tell because its just a smoke trail then a hit filmed via drone.
Ty anon i havent seen that before.
> I havent seen that many
Why does that matter at all
>Anon says hes seen lots of videos
>Answer that i havent
>Random moron asks why does that matter
Do you have autism?
It simply doesn't matter what (You) have seen or not. You're some random fat guy on the internet. We're discussing a war. Shut the frick up and go back to your child porn and videogames
>gets mad when given an answer to a question
Lol
Lmao
Autism alright
>Most of the AA videos ive seen are Igla Strela Martlet
A lot of these videos people claim are "Iglas" or "Strelas" are in fact misidentified Pioruns, which are much better.
Paywall
Huh?
I never doubted it. It’s simple to use and pretty effective. Bonus points for being mass produced and light enough that you can scatter them to all of your units
rather cheap for how many of them there are, and more effective than Iglas, Strelas, And Pioruns.
Plus we sent a bunch of VR training equipment so that a teenager van becoms proficient against soviet birds without having to actually fire expensive missiles.
I still am disappointed about Starstreak and await its redemption arc simply because of how autistic the engineering behind it is.
>I still am disappointed about Starstreak and await its redemption arc simply because of how autistic the engineering behind it is.
Starstreak’s re-entering production apparently, link related https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-shoulder-fired-missile-making-a-comeback-6c8bd0a0
>and more effective than
>Pioruns
Complete BS, BULL SHIT
Just look at and compare the tech specs.
P.S. Sorry, but the PPZR Piorun is a much newer and also better MANPADS platform than the now older Stingers, duh.
Its warriortard hes been banned multiple times lately you can recognise his posting style and topics such as the warrior starstreak bradley stinger, hes the resident loser and bullying victim. He is also no guns.
>16 posters
>17 replies
Wow stinger PR is working
No. Stinger was top of the line in 90s and most RU aircraft were from 70s and 80s most of their helicopter force does not have MWSs and just mediocre flares.
The stinger is so fricking good. I was surprised how much the Ukrainians prefer the stinger over the IGLA
Nah, i wouldnt give credit to what they say. Saying bad things about a weapon donated from your biggest donator wouldnt go down well. Havent you heard the saying "dont bite the hand that feeds you" it holds weight.
Look man I don’t really care about your copeing mechanism
Dont reply? Seems to me there is an autist here defending the stingers honor like its his woman. Post guns.
The autist is you getting upset and making excuses for the stingers popularity.
>"We'd better not say anything bad about this weapon that doesn't work or they'll stop giving them to us."
It’s his magnum copus
Yes they do, but I have also read more than one opinion that Ukrainian soliders prefer the Piorun over the Stinger, in fact, it's their favorite MANPADS. Sure, the Starsterak is better, but it's also a bit of a different class of MANPADS, which is heavier and bulkier to carry around.
Most of what I’ve read suggests they prefer the stinger over the piorun, in fact stinger is their favorite
Complete total lie, stop lying homosexual.
No it’s the opinions of ukranian soldiers. That’s what everyone is reading
>No it’s the opinions of ukranian soldiers.
Yes, that's what I'm talking about, moron. I've read multiple UKRAINAIN SOLIDER opinions that say they prefer the Piorun over the Stinger.
Yes and I said the same exact thing but then preferring stinger. Why are you getting mad
>Yes and I said the same exact thing but then preferring stinger.
Not true.
Stop lying.
Lying frick.
You’re lying
No, you're.
Are you polish by any chance
Why you ask?
I’ve read a lot of Ukrainian soldiers who said the piorun wasn’t very good.
They call it the polish piss tube
>Warriortard thread
Why even bother
>surprised
No.It's a pretty good MANPADS, but the other ones like Ukie domestic Igla-1M, Polish Piorun, etc. performed very well too.
>Anyone else surprised how good the stinger has performed in Ukraine?
Not really. It's shooting the same monkey-tier hardware it was back during Trashcanistan.
What's the maximum practical range for a MANPADS? How big can you go? It seems like none of the systems in inventory are able to reach out and touch an attack helicopter that's on the defensive at it's own max range.
Yeah you posted that, and you can even go bigger like Mistral. I'm curious how big you can go and still call it man portable.
I mean, isn't the Starstreak technically a MANPADS as well? But that's a heavier class of MANPADS.
Piorun and Martlet are liks 7-9km
Stinger is almost half both of the above.
>Ghost of stinger
Sure it does bub kek
just like it did here right? What a chump lmao
Piorun shiller is warriortard
>Piorun shiller is warriortard
You're also a fricktard, "mate".
P.S. Why the frick would I shill for the outdated shitbox Warrior, when I'm Polish??? If anything, I will shill for the Borsuk, all day every day.
Piorun spammer is polish. disregarded entirely
Me being Polish has nothing to do with the objective fact that Piorun has scored the highest in the next U.S. MANPADS tender last year and that U.S. have bought hundreds of Pioruns for testing and are now interested in cooperation with Polish Mesko and Piorun technology transfers and domestic production of it in the U.S. But not only the U.S., Esonia and even Norway has bought Pioruns as well.
P.S. Seethe and cope, homosexual.
Starstreak and Brimstone perfromed better but their success was suppressed and falsely attributed to Stinger.
No, the G model stingers are REALLY fricking good. I am surprised at the utter lack of Russian air power being used outside standoff. I fully expected the SU57 felon with AWACS to mix it up a bit, but alas, no happiness.
My problem is that I don't believe the propaganda coming out of the American press any more than I do the Russians, but if things start going sour for the Russians, I am hoping they actually use the Felon so we can see if it stands up to the hype.
>G model
Aren't all Stingers now either J (shoulder) or K (vehicle) models? I vaguely remember reading how they were remanufactured (to replace seals, batteries, check connectors etc.) between in the late '10s.
That’s a sexy missile
Why are MANPAD threads always devolving into people *very* weirdly arguing about MANPAD systems as though their own reputation was at stake?
Also, Polish anon, the more incessantly you spam and shill the Piorun, the more anons will troll you by calling it garbage.
Armatard behavior will get the armatard treatment regardless of the shit you're shilling.
See how well people tolerate Korea Stronk spam.
Well said.
This is very clearly a Warriortard thread and you frickers fall for it EVERY TIME.
Nah i thinks this is the work of the polish spammer. I don’t put too much stock into
the warriortard narrative
You're actually moronic, fricktard.
Well, I think I defended the honour of the Grot quite well before, regardless of the backlash from some homosexuals like that Wagnercuck etc., while a similar amount backed my side.
The 1980s version stinger worked well against soviet aircraft in Afghanistan war
1990s stinger-C model RMP
Late 1990s-2000s stinger-E model RMP Block I
Current Stinger-F
Meanwhile...... Russia is still flying the same Soviet planes
Most of stingers success comes from quanity being one hell of a quality so just showing up puts them ahead of the game.
As far as performance vs other manpads on a 1 to 1 basis I honestly have no clue.
Why would anyone be surprised?
It's been a running meme america is a failed state incapable of doing anything for almost 20 years now.
Also somehow the CIA is simtalously behind everything bad to ever happen to anyone but its also ran by trannies.