These things suck complete ass compared to western saws. They drift all over the place in a cut, can’t sharpen them, the thin blade bends all over the place when you’re using them. Complete and absolute shit. They look cool though, I guess.
Anybody else fall for the Japanese pull saw meme?
Nope
I like the scaled up one Irwin makes, but I don't make anything small enough to need that one.
>They drift all over the place in a cut, can’t sharpen them, the thin blade bends all over the place when you’re using them.
I hate that shit. Today I tried to use a sledgehammer to nail some crown molding and it fricked the shit out of it. Stupid ass tool makers need to die.
Skill issue. Push saws are only good if you need no precision at all
Bullshit. Tenon saws and gentleman saws absolutely mog this Japanese trash and are every bit as precise.
The OP pic is more akin to a hand saw or panel saw, not a joinery saw. The Japanese joinery saws also have a spine.
Personally, I use both. Dunno why. Sometimes I feel like doing it one way, sometimes, another. Depends on what the setup is for sawing. Working on some large timbers currently on saw horses, and pulling somehow feels better.
Can you post a picture of a Japanese joinery saw?
Have a full guide: https://www.thisoldhouse.com/tools/21018351/japanese-handsaws
Thanks, king.
This. If you know how to use a Jap saw they don't bend *at all* as you cut (unless you want it to), and can make two parallel cuts with material left between them inside the same space as the kerf on babby's first saw that you push like a moron
>They drift all over the place in a cut,
>the thin blade bends all over the place when you’re using them
pull saw
>can’t sharpen them,
you can if you get the right saw, technically even the hardened blades can be sharpened with care
sounds like you're using it wrong man. or did you get a shitty one? A suizan like in your picture is great and works fine. Try it on a low sawhorse first to ensure your form is correct. I use mine on all types of wood and it works every bit as well as western counterparts, and my elbows like the pull motion a lot more than push.
Also yeah you can sharpen them if you buy forged saws. The disposable $20 blades last a couple years even for pro use though so most people don't bother unless they want to get into the 'art' of the saws.
There are technical reasons as to why a pull saw is better. Your complaints basically boil down to a skill issue. Let me help you with that.
The pulling motion tensions the blade straight, making it inherently easier to make straight cuts. Don't apply pressure on the push stroke and you'll never bind up the blade.
Push saws require a much thicker plate to prevent binding. The much thicker plate means a much thicker kerf, which directly affects the effort required to make the cut. Japanese saws cut so much faster than western saws it's hard to put into words. Get good at both, and marvel at how less fatiguing it is to do work with the Japanese saw.
i boght a z saw dozuki last week an and i gotta give it to the japs.
Not the fastest, not the best cut possible but certainly extremely clean cut for its speed. The push action comes in handy for stuff i cant clamp properly
>can’t sharpen them
i bet (you) cant sharpen a push saw either, that takes some skill and tact you mong clearly lack
a lot of what you wrote boils down to using the wrong tpi for the part cut. western saws can be much faster because there is more energy and downward pressure in the push stroke
I have a pull pruning saw and it works great
I did. Got the little one off Amazon and it was awesome for a bit until it got rusty and "borrowed".
more of a shop tool although it comes in handy when its sharp.
Ill probably pick up some more different ones.
>These things suck
Get Good.
They're very comfortable to use on smaller pojects.
>They drift all over the place in a cut
>the thin blade bends all over the place when you’re using them
Did you push?
You need to actually learn how to use the tool dingus. If you don't learn how, even a good miter box can give you bad cuts. If you're a poorgay or don't want more than one saw, they're pretty good because you have a crosscut and rip saw in one. Also even the cheap Japanese style saws are great for flush cuts, and are readily available
not really for general carpentry but a decent tool for fiddly onsite work / cabinetry instalation, has bailed me out numerous times, this with pretty much everything onsite except for a table saw.
if you're having trouble with bending blades, back it up on one side with a block of clamped maple...
They're nice to use for certain things but when I need a really accurate cut I use my old tenon saw.
no those thinks look like garbage
I prefer a good European made handsaw. Straight and true.
the problem is you're treating a pull saw like a push saw.
the japanese also historically have preferred lower benches.
Nice photoshop, anon
Ahh, the original spirit of 4 chan.
Well done.
why would you be cutting wood without using power tools.
Because sometimes it's quicker and it's often better for delicate operations. For example, how else would you flush-cut dowels or splines?
You're confusing me, anon. Isn't that what they made a sawzall for?
>sawzall
>delicate
Sure, if you want saw marks all over your workpiece.
Maybe you are just too moronic to use one, i have both and use the jap saw for fine cuts all the time.
My dad
>Be my dad
>Have a few old rusty shitty dull saws
>Buy a cheap Japanese pull saw out of curiosity
>Oh wow sharp saw cuts better then old rusty dull saw
>Buy an expensive high end pull saw
>Clean and oil it after every use cause it was expensive
>Regularly sharpen it
>Always preaching about how pull saws are superior
How did those old rusty shitty dulls saws get that way?
your dad sounds fun
Get good, moron
Sounds like a skill issue to me.
I haven' personally used one of the japanese pullsaws but I have found using a hacksaw with the blade put in backwards works just as good. plus it's replaceable.
While western saws have their advantages over traditional Japanese pull saws, every complaint you listed in your OP can be explained by lack of skill. Meaning you're just mad because you're bad and decided to make a thread about it.
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