It’s a fast wheeled recon vehicle, with enough armor to protect from shrapnel and small arms. The big gun is because the French thinking was that if you see something, you might as well blow it up. Worked well enough in Afghanistan and all their African interventions.
Infantry fighting wheeled tank destroyer fire support armored cavalry self propelled mobile gun system platform all terrain firepower mobility vehicle car
>What exactly is the AMX-10RC best classified as?
Depends on how you plan to use it.
Armored Reconnaissance Vehicle
Wheeled Tank Destroyer
Fire Support Vehicle
Those are the 3 that come immediately to mind. Personally I think they are an interesting idea for attaching direct fire to a light and highly mobile all wheeled force.
I thought, why has America not produced a wheeled chassis with an Abrams turret on it? Like a Stryker or something. Do the French know something we don't
Then I did a google just to make sure and it turns out we did in fact make Strykers with 105mm cannons (m1128) How come you never see or hear about them? Are there a bunch of dudes deployed to operate them who just dick around all day and train occasionally?
Because the 105mm Strykers were garbage and are now retired. Army decided a 30mm gun would be better for them. We should send them all to Ukraine just so they get some use before sitting in a desert for 30 years.
they fall over when they turn their turret and shoot
Because the 105mm Strykers were garbage and are now retired. Army decided a 30mm gun would be better for them. We should send them all to Ukraine just so they get some use before sitting in a desert for 30 years.
It was mainly the issue of the US Army not knowing how to use them.
>Be US army >Given a 105mm 8x8 that is there for fire support for infantry IE an Assault gun >Be US army and look at 105mm gun >Oh its a Tank! >No it's an assault gun you use it to support the Stryker brigade combat team >Okay we are going to treat it as a tank >No it's an assault gun, please use it for that purpose >Okay, but it has a 105mm gun so we are going to make sure that only Tank crews are trained to use it and treat it as a tank anyway... >WHY ISN"T THIS 8x8 TANK WORKING LIKE OTHER TANKS!!!!!!!!!
Basically it came down to the officers at the top being complete fricking morons and not knowing how to use what they got.
Somewhat similar to the M50 Ontos, Developed a light tank destroyer, Marines who are given it use it as an assault gun. have massive success with it that when the VC see the dam things they retreat from the area because they don't want to be on the receiving end of 6 105mm HE shells . Top brass complains that since the its not being used as a Tank Destroyer that its pointless, so they don't order more of them. (Marines keep using them and cannibalize others to keep them up and running until the point where they could only use them as static defensive turrets).
TL:DR Vehicle built to do Y, army keeps trying to make it do X and is mad that it can't do X.
like others have said, it's great for Africa. the South Africans came to the same conclusion. mobility and range were more beneficial than armor since the African battlefield in general lacks tanks
recoil from the gun ruined the suspension and they never bothered to beef it up and just dump the concept
Prejunk, before it meets a lancet. Just like a stryker, too top heavy and shit off road in mud. Not as bad as an mrap but still. Better than an m113 as far as armor but not by much. That's why USA dropped the stryker.
It's a recon vehicle, with just enough firepower for those "oh shit what did we drive into" situations
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France doesn't have a conventional army because if it's invaded, it will surrender and Britain and the USA will liberate it.
Therefore alot of interesting opportunities for experimentation and focus on Frances colonial interests(dabbing on Africans) can be explored in their army equipment designs.
a wheeled tank destroyer.
No.
Well, imagine a wheeled STUG 3, happy now, homosexual?
now I'm conflicted
It’s a fast wheeled recon vehicle, with enough armor to protect from shrapnel and small arms. The big gun is because the French thinking was that if you see something, you might as well blow it up. Worked well enough in Afghanistan and all their African interventions.
Infantry fighting wheeled tank destroyer fire support armored cavalry self propelled mobile gun system platform all terrain firepower mobility vehicle car
Oh i forgot, should say 'rapid deployment low observable' at the start
Add "tank" somewhere in there.
Rapid deployment low observable light future wheeled infantry fighting expeditionary scouting advanced tank destroyer amphibious fire support armored cavalry self propelled gun cannon carrier non-line-of-sight recon combat system mobile platform all terrain possibly manned multi-purpose next-generation future hybrid firepower mobility protection flexible vehicle tank car (ground)
Starting to sound like a search-optimized AliExpress item title.
That or any Gunbroker listing from 20 years ago.
It is a wheeled gun by french definition and a light tank (kind of) for everyone else.
>What exactly is the AMX-10RC best classified as?
Depends on how you plan to use it.
Armored Reconnaissance Vehicle
Wheeled Tank Destroyer
Fire Support Vehicle
Those are the 3 that come immediately to mind. Personally I think they are an interesting idea for attaching direct fire to a light and highly mobile all wheeled force.
A quirky piece of shit designed to deal with non peer nations, a la africanas.
Why do you think it never caught on?
>Why do you think it never caught on?
>what is Stryker MGS
>what is Centauro
>What are X
Stryker got cancelled.
Centaruo didn't catch on like the rest of wheeled gun platforms.
Your post proved nothing.
Yeh, they would do fine against the vatnik horde.
>non peer nations, a la africanas
So it's going to do great against Russians?
I thought, why has America not produced a wheeled chassis with an Abrams turret on it? Like a Stryker or something. Do the French know something we don't
Then I did a google just to make sure and it turns out we did in fact make Strykers with 105mm cannons (m1128) How come you never see or hear about them? Are there a bunch of dudes deployed to operate them who just dick around all day and train occasionally?
They suck and the army is ditching them.
they fall over when they turn their turret and shoot
just put a gun on the other side that fires at the same time
Because the 105mm Strykers were garbage and are now retired. Army decided a 30mm gun would be better for them. We should send them all to Ukraine just so they get some use before sitting in a desert for 30 years.
>Do the French know something we don't
Oui, absolutely : the onion soup
From what I understand the MGS was maintenance heavy and had a ton of underlying reliability issues.
This was part of it
It was mainly the issue of the US Army not knowing how to use them.
>Be US army
>Given a 105mm 8x8 that is there for fire support for infantry IE an Assault gun
>Be US army and look at 105mm gun
>Oh its a Tank!
>No it's an assault gun you use it to support the Stryker brigade combat team
>Okay we are going to treat it as a tank
>No it's an assault gun, please use it for that purpose
>Okay, but it has a 105mm gun so we are going to make sure that only Tank crews are trained to use it and treat it as a tank anyway...
>WHY ISN"T THIS 8x8 TANK WORKING LIKE OTHER TANKS!!!!!!!!!
Basically it came down to the officers at the top being complete fricking morons and not knowing how to use what they got.
Somewhat similar to the M50 Ontos, Developed a light tank destroyer, Marines who are given it use it as an assault gun. have massive success with it that when the VC see the dam things they retreat from the area because they don't want to be on the receiving end of 6 105mm HE shells . Top brass complains that since the its not being used as a Tank Destroyer that its pointless, so they don't order more of them. (Marines keep using them and cannibalize others to keep them up and running until the point where they could only use them as static defensive turrets).
TL:DR Vehicle built to do Y, army keeps trying to make it do X and is mad that it can't do X.
i keep telling people that low velocity high calibre cannons on IFVs are a good idea but nobody believes me 🙁
>M3 Bradley
>But with a M81E1 Rifled 152 mm Gun-Launcher
>Drop the Shillelagh missle and slap on the TOW-launcher from Bradley
y e s
>The BMP 1 is peak IFV
Is this what you are saying?
A 73mm cannon on a vehicle designed after 1970 is a decent idea, yes. A BMP isn't necessarily representative of that.
OK hear me out.
Whatabout this;
A Puma, with a BMP-1 turret with western optics and sensors.
the only problem with the BMP is that it didn't go far enough
There is no reason this wouldn't work
self-entrenching bradley
73mm grom but with stabilizer, thermals and a modern FCS?
Sign-me up
>Tfw Grom-pilled
like others have said, it's great for Africa. the South Africans came to the same conclusion. mobility and range were more beneficial than armor since the African battlefield in general lacks tanks
recoil from the gun ruined the suspension and they never bothered to beef it up and just dump the concept
the wheels vs tracks debate essentially boils down to operational needs, the french figured out wheeled armor suits them better
tank
Armored car.
recon vehicle.
Wheeled vehicles work well in their sort-of-former colonial holdings
véhicule militaire blindé de reconnaissance-feu
something you use in Africa, not against Russia.
>something you use in Africa, not against Africa
?
>something you use in Africa, not against Russia.
So cold weather fricks with it?
Russians have tanks and atgm.
blacks have at most AKs.
Armored car.
A tank uses tracks.
Wheeled recon and fire support vehicle.
An armored car less unique than acredited
it's a wheely gun
Prejunk, before it meets a lancet. Just like a stryker, too top heavy and shit off road in mud. Not as bad as an mrap but still. Better than an m113 as far as armor but not by much. That's why USA dropped the stryker.
It's a recon vehicle, with just enough firepower for those "oh shit what did we drive into" situations
Check out Janes Light Tanks And Armoured Cars by Foss Cristopher
i wanna frick an armored car
someone better appreciate the 2 minutes it took me to snip these photos
I'll appreciate it more if you have a link to the whole thing *~~)
>someone better appreciate the 2 minutes it took me to snip these photos
I do, thanks anon. I wish that AMX-10 AA variant was real.
>someone better appreciate the 2 minutes it took me to snip these photos
Thank you, anon, you are indeed appreciated.
If someone says tank I'm gonna slap him in the face.
it's a tank because it steers like a tank
It identifies as a tank
haha wheels go fast big gun go boom
Leclerc is for peer conflic in places with decent logi
Amx is for chasing down les negres in our colonies.
a tank which can retreat faster.
Keeping african Black folk in check truck
Char
It's a light tank, same as the Bradley.
I call it the ghetto blaster.
It's an assault gun, or self propelled artillery if you really have to.
France doesn't have a conventional army because if it's invaded, it will surrender and Britain and the USA will liberate it.
Therefore alot of interesting opportunities for experimentation and focus on Frances colonial interests(dabbing on Africans) can be explored in their army equipment designs.
Pakwagen
RC means Roue- Canon
So it is litterally a cannon on wheels