>use drones instead of the thousands of cruise missiles every real nation has that can do more than merely 'damage' these structures
how absolutely buckbroken are you?
>thinking that they can't and aren't routinely used against coastal targets so the launch vehicle can stay at a safe distance
how do you survive with a room temperature (celsius) iq?
Not many there anon other than ports themselves. When you use the same criteria to define "industrial" as the US, Germany, or Japan the USA has twice as much industrial output as China because the chinks count construction which makes up 30% o their economy as an industrial process as well as all services attendant upon it down to catering and shit like automotive repair. However all the US' industrial production is now done in small towns and industrial parks with cheap water, rail, or interstate access so there aren't actually large concentrations of industry to target not and the coastal cities are full of libtards and muds who drove industry away. Except for ports which obviously you can't just put in Reynoldsville PA or somewhere.
Spend some time on google earth scrolling around the gulf coast, specifically the mississippi delta. There's tons of depots, refiners, and petro chemical plants all over the place. Not to mention all of the drilling platforms out at sea.
I dont think you realize how much industry there is. There are refineries from almost the TX-MX border up through the top of Louisiana.
And the difference is that the US has the capital and skills to repair their facilities. If the Russians could just fix refineries there would be no point in attacking them in the first place.
Yeah, it's only going to take ten+ years thanks to safety regulations, unions demanding their cut, and political corruption.
This is what I hate about post-2022 /k/. Russia is an incompetent shithole, but that does not magically make the US a shining beacon of efficiency and competence like it was circa 1944. Cargo cult fixation of the WW2 era is a problem for both Russia AND the United States. If China actually did unleash a swarm of drones and started blowing bridges and destroying power plants, the US would be genuinely fricked. Good thing the US response would be a nuclear strike, but that doesn't mean the US isn't fricked for decades.
Sorry, but real life doesn't work that way. Nobody is moving mountains for the Baltimore bridge, instead corporations and interest groups are lining up at the trough because that's how America works now. Denying it won't fix the problem.
1 month ago
Anonymous
> Nobody is moving mountains for the Baltimore bridge
Because it’s a singular, accidental frick up.
If it was a concentrated attack at multiple points nationwide, there would absolutely be a crackdown on bureaucratic frickery.
See: COVID
1 month ago
Anonymous
>See: COVID
Literally that exact thing happened. Corporations and special interest groups lined up at the trough. A disease about as deadly as the flu was used as an excuse to shut down the entire country for 3 years and transfer billions of dollars into corporate coffers. I understand your handlers don't pay you to think, but come on.
1 month ago
Anonymous
you are overly simplifying it.
initially when it wasnt here it was something to cry about with american politics and go ORANGE MAN BAD over, poo pooing the vaccine.
then it did come over, and with not much known the freakout was genuine because the leadership is all fricking geezers and they shit their pants knowing they were the most at risk.
this is why you had the mask wars.
then they got their wits about them and started taking advantage of things, with some of the dumber ones openly admitting they were taking advantage of a crisis to make changes.
now, it would have likely come over or introduced to America on purpose either way once people settled, but the initial exposures were due to a bureaucrat going ORANGE MAN BAD ME NO WANT QUARANTINE and letting people come over from china.
he got newspaper articles praising him.
make of that what you will.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>COVID >Crackdown on bureaucratic frickery
Are you from an alternate dimension?
>in this magical scenario where china could somehow strike all the infrastructure over millions of square miles the US would be FRICKED
Anon, what makes you think the chinks have this capability? What makes you think ANYONE outside of fricking aliens have this capability?
Actually, the magic of drones is they can hypothetically operate anywhere. They don't need a dedicated carrier, they can use a civilian ship.
Will China do this? Not my point. My point is America's vulnerability is its internal rot and unwillingness to do anything about it.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I don't know, the Texas power grid got rebuilt and reinforced in a fricking hurry. I've also seen hurricanes erase communities only for them to be rebuilt in a few months. Not saying America is perfect, but you sound like a homosexual and your shit is moronic.
1 month ago
Anonymous
Power grids are one of the easiest things to rebuild because there's plenty of surplus material for repairs, if not in one state then in another which suffers from serious weather. Every time a bad tornado touches down or a hurricane blows through or a winter storm buries a region, it takes down some part of the power grid. And thus, there is plenty of material and supplies to replace those elements.
Do you know what there isn't a surplus of? Bridges, power plants, shipping ports.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Do you know what there isn't a surplus of? Bridges, power plants, shipping ports.
Considering that there are thousands upon thousands of them in the US? Somehow China is going to launch billions of civilian drones to eliminate all these targets at one? You might be the most moronic Black person that ever Black personed.
Actually, the magic of drones is they can hypothetically operate anywhere. They don't need a dedicated carrier, they can use a civilian ship.
Will China do this? Not my point. My point is America's vulnerability is its internal rot and unwillingness to do anything about it.
>Not my point. My point is America's vulnerability is its internal rot and unwillingness to do anything about it.
America was famously passive in the months and years following 9/11. Holy shit you are fricking dumb. Ancient Aliens levels of stupid where it almost takes intelligence to invent a fantasy so fricking moronic.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>Considering that there are thousands upon thousands of them in the US?
Ready to replace destroyed bridges? Or intact ones that aren't destroyed, but only exist singularly?
I don't think you can pretend to be this stupid. >America was famously passive in the months and years following 9/11
America lost the War on Terror due to corruption and incompetence. Thanks for proving my point.
Zero self-awareness: the Post. Classic nu-/k/. Unable to think critically, unable to recognize the weaknesses of the side it supports, instead it claps like seals and only focuses on other people's problems. This is how wars are lost, but then again idiots like you don't run the country, so we should be thankful for small blessings.
1 month ago
Anonymous
I do not recognize your perfectly choreographed billion drone Pear Harbor x 1,000,000 strike as remotely feasible let alone a potential weakness.
>he's a PrepHole Black person
Ohhh, well that explains the crippling detachment from reality.
1 month ago
Anonymous
You sound grotesquely stupid, like a zigger acting in such a way on purpose to false flag, perhaps. Your statement about America passive on 9/11 blew your cover as not genuine.
1 month ago
Anonymous
>esl >cant pick up on obvious sarcasm
Someone call Cleveland because i found half their fricking football team in this thread
1 month ago
Anonymous
how autistic are you?
1 month ago
Anonymous
>they can use a civilian ship.
oh God not this shit again
1 month ago
Anonymous
assuming no glowie warning about epic 9000 drone merchant vessel attack, briefly >6000 drones/emissions originate from this particular merchant vessel according to all sensors from ships, spook ISR satellites and secret 3-letter agency fortunetellers >US promptly deletes the vessel
You KNOW they will call it a warcrime too >US SUNK DINDU NUFFIN MERCHANT SHIPS
the damage done to that bridge could literally only be done by a ship hitting it or a nuke. not a drone, not any day to day missile type, not blowing up a truck driving along the top, and not any drone I'm aware of. It's okay if it takes a bit longer to fix, and it could be reliably repaired in a year (with safety regulations) if its a priority. It's not wartime, so the process will likely take a few years of tendered proposals, community consultation, shit like that.
>t. brother in law is a civil engineer specialising in bridges and I asked him about this at the pub yesterday
What kind weapons and strategy can be used to defend coastal industries from drone attacks?
Like, I genuinely don't think you realize how massive US oil and gas is. We have less proven reserves than Russia and 1/4 the proven reserves of nations like Venezuela but we are the global leader of oil production per day.
>mid sized suburb
Not even. >transmission voltage (115kv or 138kv) to one, maybe two 3 phase feeders
That's probably feeding a town of 1000-1500 people.
>America is a paper tiger, all you have to do is blow up 153000km of coastline!(except not really because they still have tons of inland industry)
Jesus you guys are really getting desperate huh?
this is probably universal for every country with the exception of those that didn't dismantle their civil defense forces after the cold war like finland, sweden, switzerland, they likely have adequate reserves of parts for critical infrastructure and raw materials to produce those parts
Bad target selection I guess, you can't expect two transformers in bumfrick nowhere to have any effect beside a local blackout. If it was planned by a gridgay with actual knowledge and access to telemetry like a grid operator or foreign intelligence agency it would have worked better
My dude... Russia spent an entire winter spamming missiles at Ukrainian power infrastructure and the total result was... Kyiv was blacked out for like 4 days.
I think if grids could be taken out by a couple guys with a .22 Russia probably has enough collaborators and agents in country to make it happen. But they don't. Which means all that bullshit about "muh power grids are sooooo vulnerable" was bullshit all along, as suspected.
>We morons blew up the grid now please attack the people and businessmen that funded and maintained this infrastructure. >WAIT WTF WHY AREN'T YOU ON OUR SIDE?!?!?!? ALL WE DID WAS FRICK OVER EVERYONE EXCEPT THE ACTUAL PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE A GRIEVANCE WITH.
Response would be no different if you just blocked a highway in protest or something.
no he can't, /misc/tard
some dipshits tried that in the seattle area a year or so ago.
they knocked out a couple of tiny pockets everywhere they went because the electrical grids are massively decentralized and redundant.
The few cascading power outages america has had is why this fantasy isnt possible.
What's the purpose of these threads? Like I get hypotheticals and shit, but do thirdies actually think they're going to Desert Storm the continental US? Do chinks actually believe some cruise missile spam on the US coasts would have the same effect as cruise missile spamming the Chinese coast? Do they actually think chink subs are getting to within firing range of the US coasts during pre-war tensions before a fast-attack boat Mk.48's them?
It's the same as the nuke threads, the purpose is to influence water cooler talk and make people believe the US can't win, because people love to spread contrarian opinions.
>this thread is destined to be deleted or moved to pol isn't it
the moment airmen message discipline is broken >which is virtually all the time now
you get that^
>strategy
Defensive measures are not required when everybody knows we will survive the attack and turn the attacker into a parking lot. Like yeah well done you dropped our production by 20% so here comes your prize.
>Name is John from Texas Oblast >I have taken to think United of America's exposed ass to be raped >So is Americans fucekd, american bros >Beacause US only has minus four warm water ports which can be destroyed by 6 billion alibaba drones
Nuh huh. Since you have it all figured it out, why don't you try and see what happens?
Yer mudda
If only Saudi Arabia had patriotic missiles.
Force projection
How many quadcopters can a type 093 launch?
the largest fleet of attack subs on the planet
none after it catches a mk48 on its 8000km journey.
>use drones instead of the thousands of cruise missiles every real nation has that can do more than merely 'damage' these structures
how absolutely buckbroken are you?
>cruise missiles
Those are for inland targets or coastal targets by an indirect route.
>thinking that they can't and aren't routinely used against coastal targets so the launch vehicle can stay at a safe distance
how do you survive with a room temperature (celsius) iq?
how the frick do you want to fly a drone across the pacific?
I think the air defense of Odessa would offer similar experience.
Not invading your neighbor is a great way
Those Canadians are fricking asking for it.
>coast industries
Not many there anon other than ports themselves. When you use the same criteria to define "industrial" as the US, Germany, or Japan the USA has twice as much industrial output as China because the chinks count construction which makes up 30% o their economy as an industrial process as well as all services attendant upon it down to catering and shit like automotive repair. However all the US' industrial production is now done in small towns and industrial parks with cheap water, rail, or interstate access so there aren't actually large concentrations of industry to target not and the coastal cities are full of libtards and muds who drove industry away. Except for ports which obviously you can't just put in Reynoldsville PA or somewhere.
Also nobody else has a navy worth shit.
Spend some time on google earth scrolling around the gulf coast, specifically the mississippi delta. There's tons of depots, refiners, and petro chemical plants all over the place. Not to mention all of the drilling platforms out at sea.
I dont think you realize how much industry there is. There are refineries from almost the TX-MX border up through the top of Louisiana.
And the difference is that the US has the capital and skills to repair their facilities. If the Russians could just fix refineries there would be no point in attacking them in the first place.
>the US has the capital and skills to repair their facilities.
We shall see.
Yes, we are very much going to replace that bridge. Apologies for not getting it done in 72 hours.
Yeah, it's only going to take ten+ years thanks to safety regulations, unions demanding their cut, and political corruption.
This is what I hate about post-2022 /k/. Russia is an incompetent shithole, but that does not magically make the US a shining beacon of efficiency and competence like it was circa 1944. Cargo cult fixation of the WW2 era is a problem for both Russia AND the United States. If China actually did unleash a swarm of drones and started blowing bridges and destroying power plants, the US would be genuinely fricked. Good thing the US response would be a nuclear strike, but that doesn't mean the US isn't fricked for decades.
> the US would be genuinely fricked
No, because all that red tape and bureaucracy would be put to the side to fix shit NOW and damn the law.
Sorry, but real life doesn't work that way. Nobody is moving mountains for the Baltimore bridge, instead corporations and interest groups are lining up at the trough because that's how America works now. Denying it won't fix the problem.
> Nobody is moving mountains for the Baltimore bridge
Because it’s a singular, accidental frick up.
If it was a concentrated attack at multiple points nationwide, there would absolutely be a crackdown on bureaucratic frickery.
See: COVID
>See: COVID
Literally that exact thing happened. Corporations and special interest groups lined up at the trough. A disease about as deadly as the flu was used as an excuse to shut down the entire country for 3 years and transfer billions of dollars into corporate coffers. I understand your handlers don't pay you to think, but come on.
you are overly simplifying it.
initially when it wasnt here it was something to cry about with american politics and go ORANGE MAN BAD over, poo pooing the vaccine.
then it did come over, and with not much known the freakout was genuine because the leadership is all fricking geezers and they shit their pants knowing they were the most at risk.
this is why you had the mask wars.
then they got their wits about them and started taking advantage of things, with some of the dumber ones openly admitting they were taking advantage of a crisis to make changes.
now, it would have likely come over or introduced to America on purpose either way once people settled, but the initial exposures were due to a bureaucrat going ORANGE MAN BAD ME NO WANT QUARANTINE and letting people come over from china.
he got newspaper articles praising him.
make of that what you will.
>COVID
>Crackdown on bureaucratic frickery
Are you from an alternate dimension?
>in this magical scenario where china could somehow strike all the infrastructure over millions of square miles the US would be FRICKED
Anon, what makes you think the chinks have this capability? What makes you think ANYONE outside of fricking aliens have this capability?
Actually, the magic of drones is they can hypothetically operate anywhere. They don't need a dedicated carrier, they can use a civilian ship.
Will China do this? Not my point. My point is America's vulnerability is its internal rot and unwillingness to do anything about it.
I don't know, the Texas power grid got rebuilt and reinforced in a fricking hurry. I've also seen hurricanes erase communities only for them to be rebuilt in a few months. Not saying America is perfect, but you sound like a homosexual and your shit is moronic.
Power grids are one of the easiest things to rebuild because there's plenty of surplus material for repairs, if not in one state then in another which suffers from serious weather. Every time a bad tornado touches down or a hurricane blows through or a winter storm buries a region, it takes down some part of the power grid. And thus, there is plenty of material and supplies to replace those elements.
Do you know what there isn't a surplus of? Bridges, power plants, shipping ports.
>Do you know what there isn't a surplus of? Bridges, power plants, shipping ports.
Considering that there are thousands upon thousands of them in the US? Somehow China is going to launch billions of civilian drones to eliminate all these targets at one? You might be the most moronic Black person that ever Black personed.
>Not my point. My point is America's vulnerability is its internal rot and unwillingness to do anything about it.
America was famously passive in the months and years following 9/11. Holy shit you are fricking dumb. Ancient Aliens levels of stupid where it almost takes intelligence to invent a fantasy so fricking moronic.
>Considering that there are thousands upon thousands of them in the US?
Ready to replace destroyed bridges? Or intact ones that aren't destroyed, but only exist singularly?
I don't think you can pretend to be this stupid.
>America was famously passive in the months and years following 9/11
America lost the War on Terror due to corruption and incompetence. Thanks for proving my point.
Zero self-awareness: the Post. Classic nu-/k/. Unable to think critically, unable to recognize the weaknesses of the side it supports, instead it claps like seals and only focuses on other people's problems. This is how wars are lost, but then again idiots like you don't run the country, so we should be thankful for small blessings.
I do not recognize your perfectly choreographed billion drone Pear Harbor x 1,000,000 strike as remotely feasible let alone a potential weakness.
>he's a PrepHole Black person
Ohhh, well that explains the crippling detachment from reality.
You sound grotesquely stupid, like a zigger acting in such a way on purpose to false flag, perhaps. Your statement about America passive on 9/11 blew your cover as not genuine.
>esl
>cant pick up on obvious sarcasm
Someone call Cleveland because i found half their fricking football team in this thread
how autistic are you?
>they can use a civilian ship.
oh God not this shit again
assuming no glowie warning about epic 9000 drone merchant vessel attack, briefly
>6000 drones/emissions originate from this particular merchant vessel according to all sensors from ships, spook ISR satellites and secret 3-letter agency fortunetellers
>US promptly deletes the vessel
You KNOW they will call it a warcrime too
>US SUNK DINDU NUFFIN MERCHANT SHIPS
the damage done to that bridge could literally only be done by a ship hitting it or a nuke. not a drone, not any day to day missile type, not blowing up a truck driving along the top, and not any drone I'm aware of. It's okay if it takes a bit longer to fix, and it could be reliably repaired in a year (with safety regulations) if its a priority. It's not wartime, so the process will likely take a few years of tendered proposals, community consultation, shit like that.
>t. brother in law is a civil engineer specialising in bridges and I asked him about this at the pub yesterday
>safety regulations bad
hi india!
Like, I genuinely don't think you realize how massive US oil and gas is. We have less proven reserves than Russia and 1/4 the proven reserves of nations like Venezuela but we are the global leader of oil production per day.
>less proven reserves
This is largely an artifact of differences in accounting rules in the US vs those countries.
I was walking past the local substation the other day and couldn't see any of the automated drone defense systems /k/ talks about.
Yes, inconveniencing a mid-sized suburb will surely tip the scales of the conflict.
> inconveniencing a mid-sized suburb for a couple hours while they reroute power
FTFY
>mid sized suburb
Not even.
>transmission voltage (115kv or 138kv) to one, maybe two 3 phase feeders
That's probably feeding a town of 1000-1500 people.
China is buying up used 747s.
9/11 2 Chink Boogaloo
>used 747s
just make sure these weren't the ones Boeing QC cheaped out on. Also airframes have a limited lifespan
>America is a paper tiger, all you have to do is blow up 153000km of coastline!(except not really because they still have tons of inland industry)
Jesus you guys are really getting desperate huh?
The Australian petroleum reserve is in Texas.
I really wish your turd world Black folk would actually try something instead of just endlessly talking shit. It's gotten quite boring.
>attacking coastal industries
as opposed to attacking inland industries?
what counts as inland? 100 miles? 1000 miles?
>overt attack on oil refineries
Why? A guy with a .22s and a rental car could collapse our power grid in a couple of days.
>Australian commenting on Canadian power grids and US federal Govt response capabilities
this is probably universal for every country with the exception of those that didn't dismantle their civil defense forces after the cold war like finland, sweden, switzerland, they likely have adequate reserves of parts for critical infrastructure and raw materials to produce those parts
Some disgruntled ex gridgay tried just that last year in North Carolina. Didnt work
Bad target selection I guess, you can't expect two transformers in bumfrick nowhere to have any effect beside a local blackout. If it was planned by a gridgay with actual knowledge and access to telemetry like a grid operator or foreign intelligence agency it would have worked better
And if my grandma had slaves she'd be cool whip
Did they actually figure out who did that?
That was DIRECTLY adjacent to a Mil base if you recall.
My dude... Russia spent an entire winter spamming missiles at Ukrainian power infrastructure and the total result was... Kyiv was blacked out for like 4 days.
I think if grids could be taken out by a couple guys with a .22 Russia probably has enough collaborators and agents in country to make it happen. But they don't. Which means all that bullshit about "muh power grids are sooooo vulnerable" was bullshit all along, as suspected.
Americans would be so pleased if they were in darkness while all the lobbyists in Washington had electricity.
>We morons blew up the grid now please attack the people and businessmen that funded and maintained this infrastructure.
>WAIT WTF WHY AREN'T YOU ON OUR SIDE?!?!?!? ALL WE DID WAS FRICK OVER EVERYONE EXCEPT THE ACTUAL PEOPLE THAT WE HAVE A GRIEVANCE WITH.
Response would be no different if you just blocked a highway in protest or something.
The fact that he said "HV Distribution Lines" is all you need to read to know he's a moron talking about things he doesn't understand.
no he can't, /misc/tard
some dipshits tried that in the seattle area a year or so ago.
they knocked out a couple of tiny pockets everywhere they went because the electrical grids are massively decentralized and redundant.
The few cascading power outages america has had is why this fantasy isnt possible.
What's the purpose of these threads? Like I get hypotheticals and shit, but do thirdies actually think they're going to Desert Storm the continental US? Do chinks actually believe some cruise missile spam on the US coasts would have the same effect as cruise missile spamming the Chinese coast? Do they actually think chink subs are getting to within firing range of the US coasts during pre-war tensions before a fast-attack boat Mk.48's them?
It's the same as the nuke threads, the purpose is to influence water cooler talk and make people believe the US can't win, because people love to spread contrarian opinions.
Distance, duh.
this thread is destined to be deleted or moved to pol isn't it
you spammed /k/ with a “China stronk” fantasy that backfired and everyone made fun of you. No 50 cents for today.
i'm in agreeance with you btw, though i'm not op
> agreeance
ESL
>this thread is destined to be deleted or moved to pol isn't it
the moment airmen message discipline is broken
>which is virtually all the time now
you get that^
many such cases
Post Black folk with shotguns and give them a gram of fenty for every drone they knock out of the sky.
Why, the coastal cities are full of leftist, let them burn.
Wilmington is alright.
>Why, the coastal cities are full of leftist, let them burn.
^lol so /k/ is asking how to protect itself?
>strategy
Defensive measures are not required when everybody knows we will survive the attack and turn the attacker into a parking lot. Like yeah well done you dropped our production by 20% so here comes your prize.
>we
>Name is John from Texas Oblast
>I have taken to think United of America's exposed ass to be raped
>So is Americans fucekd, american bros
>Beacause US only has minus four warm water ports which can be destroyed by 6 billion alibaba drones
Nuh huh. Since you have it all figured it out, why don't you try and see what happens?
China will grow stronger.
You know it's a grizzly sight when the mannequin faints
All 95,500 miles of it.
Ohhh noooo