I was just thinking it would be funny for a yacht to drag an effigy of an orca around making obnoxious sounds, amplified orca farts recorded by a nuclear sub would be perfect
Implosions are extremely loud and have a distinct signature. They probably kept quiet about it because they could tell that something strong imploded at depth (which could be... any pressure vessel) but couldn't tell for certain that it was the submarine.
British subs can reportedly detect what ships, based on displacement, leave New York from our side of the pond with extremely high accuracy.
British and US submarines have had detection so precise and accurate that we've actively kept tabs on the Russian subs for decades.
you people have no idea what the frick you are talking about
I don't really either if I'm being honest, but I know enough to say that you are all completely wrong
>They probably kept quiet about it because they could tell that something strong imploded at depth (which could be... any pressure vessel) but couldn't tell for certain that it was the submarine.
or you know they chose to withhold releasing the info until the same day some Hunter Biden transcripts go released?
British subs can reportedly detect what ships, based on displacement, leave New York from our side of the pond with extremely high accuracy.
British and US submarines have had detection so precise and accurate that we've actively kept tabs on the Russian subs for decades.
>trident sub detects russian sub launch from other side of the world >has to read a handwritten letter from a tiny paki to get permission to launch all three missiles in retaliation
I love my country
The more I read about subs the more I realize that the only countries who can do submarine warfare worth a shit in the 21st century are all allied with each other. It's an immense power gap
It's why AUKUS is such a huge move in the strategic game, the US get another ally with top quality subs, and get to use Aussie yards for their own subs increasing their effective range and meaning they can be basically parked in the West Philippines Sea without having to travel across the pacific for maintenance.
>increasing their effective range
Range of most US subs is realistically limited only by stores of food and ability to maintain systems because air and water can be generated under the surface.
Reactor runs perpetually. Keep enough food and spare parts on board and you could cruise the seas for half a year without surfacing once if you wanted.
Afaik they don't even carry spare parts, but raw stock of materials parts are made of. Most American submarines have lathes and mills to make small parts
Does every sub have a designated expert diver / mechanic who swims out and replaces hardware on the outside while underway and fixes dents and shit like that?
Probably one of the coolest jobs on board. But I wouldn't know, I have no frame of reference.
>the only countries who can do warfare worth a shit in the 21st century are all allied with each other
FTFY
>The only countries that can do warfare worth a shit in the 31st century are utterly hamstrung by their civilian population and governments and unable to actually leverage that advantage in a way that benefits them
Depressing.
unless you wipe it off the map the cancer is going to keep growing back eventually consuming all around it inch by inch. Bum rush grab clay, dig in, weather the bombardment, replace the population, rinse/repeat. Nothing is eternal, specially military superiority
Being in a state of war is generally bad for a country. Developed countries can afford to have mercenaries carry out the small and dirty operations anyways
>hamstrung
civilians dragging the military out whenever they go full sunk cost fallacy is why the US has only had military embarrassments, never disasters
Assuming you meant 21st century, and yes. The gap between the military industrial complex groups and subcultures compared to the rest of the US population is huge. Military software sector is far beyond civilian sector in quality that its comical, and thats just one aspect. Something is gonna give once the distance between military families, communities, and organizations starts to significantly diverge from civilian. Sort of like the beginnings of another nation within a nation.
>Military software sector is far beyond civilian sector in quality that its comical
Is that really the case? Honestly asking; I would have thought that high commercial SWE salaries would dissuade talented programmers from even considering government work. Or I guess maybe that shit gets contracted out to companies who do pay through the nose?
In the 31st century, this is only remotely true of the Outworlds Alliance, and occasionally the Free Worlds League. And it's questionable whether the OA military is actually any good.
>The only countries that can do warfare worth a shit in the 31st century are utterly hamstrung by their civilian population and governments and unable to actually leverage that advantage in a way that benefits them
We did btfo the balls however.
>civilized countries dont go waging moronic wars of conquest on a whim that end up bankrupting the entire nation because their populations keep them in check
Yeah. Thats a good thing.
the first episode has some odd points unfortunately >people don't know about basic divide and conquer tactics in the far future and get shocked by Rein attacking each group separately
>The more I read about subs the more I realize that the only countries who can do submarine warfare worth a shit in the 21st century are all allied with each other. It's an immense power gap
Posted before but posting is again.
the US has more operative military subs than the rest of the world put togther.
the US has 70 active service submarines.
>American subs can hear a tiny sub getting squished a 1000 miles away
Nothing new
tech is here for like 4 decades
and sensors got magnitudes better
my granddad actually worked here in Germany for a company that (still) produces sound and optical measuring Buoys
during the later years of the cold war they had a complete net of these through the North and Baltic sea (you can search on google, a few interesting stories about those)
they weren't good enough to catch every sub back then but good enough to pick up general movements of the UdSSR
today you have swarms of Buoys and Seabed mounted devices over kilometers - basically combined to one huge sensor
today they are mainly maintained by German Universities to monitor the ocean streams, storms, seismic activity among other things
but the Bundeswehr is Co-Sponsoring many of these projects
I guess they use the data too
generally ship crashes are incredibly easy to detected
and tracking largers ships too as every engine (-type, but they are usually unique) has a distinct sound pattern you can hear over looong distances in the water
A sub, especially an imploding one wouldn't be so different
also that's why there is practically no illegal fishing in the north / baltic sea - they hear every ship
i'm not entirely sure about this though
6000km is a long distances, even in the oceans
these capabilities have probably much more to do with sensors installed near New York
British and US submarines have had detection so precise and accurate that a few homies skinnydipping in the middle of the ocean after downing a few cans of beans would make them strategically blind (or should I say deaf?).
L M A O
I hate western hegemony so much, I support any move that reduces it. It enraged me so hard when I learnt the US has an accoustic detection network across the world seas. As if they simply own the oceans, like an alien invasion force they throw out their military assets wherever it suits them. Despicable!
This isn't that special or impressive really. Sound travels unbelievably well in water and if I'm not mistaken the US has basically had this capability since WW2 with tech like sofar spheres, which make a much smaller implosion than this one .
ah yes, russia, the country with a great naval heritage that produced things such as the Battle of Tsushima and the amazing top of the line aircraft carrier Kuznetsov
The soviets had an edge on stealth up until the late 70's. Around the same time they fell behind in every other tech race. Russia has barely improved on anything since the collapse of the USSR. Their subs are shit.
IIRC they told the rescuers right away that they detected a sound consistent with catastrophic implosion.
They probably went on with the rescue anyway on the off chance that it was wrong.
Would have been pretty embarrassing to say "frick it" and then find out later these guys were still alive while you had the chance to do something about it.
Like, Kursk tier embarrassing.
Remember, the one where a woman started seething at some Russian official so hard during a press conference that a glowie had to walk up to her, inject her with some tranquilizer and drag her off?
Because general populous worrying means as much as thought and prayers for the family.
The people running the search where told, its not a coincidence that this comes out after they already located the wreckage
They did share what was heard privately with the people leading recovery efforts but couldn't specify what exact tools were used for operational security reasons. It was essentially "we're pretty sure they died and the wreck was around here" but without disclosable visual confirmation they tried for recovery anyway in vein hope the Navy was wrong.
There's a reason the Navy was mostly radio silent while the Coast Guard jumped on the opportunity.
They pushed a bit into interesting metallurgy and also reactor technology, titanium hulled submarines with liquid metal cooling. It all sounds cool until you realise your reactor cooling needs to be kept hot at all times, at sea or quayside, or it turns into a solid lump and stops, you know, flowing through your reactor that you want kept cooled. And your titanium pressure hull was built by pushing titanium welding techniques, so you can dive far deeper than any perfidious Bong or yankee, but it also means the welds sometimes fail. Eek.
I'd suggest that the sub you'd rather serve on would be the 'better' one, and that isn't the soviet one.
A friend works at a company that does sea cable monitoring. Those have optic fiber running along that are used to monitor the stress, temperature, vibration along the cable. There is enough sensitivity to detect and identify any vessel going above it, including subs.
Why did they even bother releasing this information? What does the US Navy gain from doing so? >Navy: We heard the sound of an implosion well before the search went underway >Search & Rescue: Why didn't you release this info sooner so we knew to look for debris instead of survivors? (Not that there was any hope of live rescue anyways) >DOD: Why would you tell the world our capabilities and ability to detect sounds underwater up to X range? >Normies: Why didn't you let us know so we could anticipate the conclusion of this event?
As another Anon mentioned, did they only let this go for as long as it did for the memes?
>did they only let this go for as long as it did for the memes?
We can both distract the population from our real plans and then reveal to our enemies the might of our detection abilities. Muahahaha
Why are you homosexuals so dense? There was no ROV or other submersible on site that could reach the depth the titan imploded at until the day it was found. As well the navy shared the information with the coast guard but of course didn’t share it with the public since they had no wreckage to 100% back up their implosion noise evidence. Anybody with 1/2 a brain knew those guys were dead the moment they lost contact and never resurfaced, but the Navy just can’t come out and say publicly “they’re probably dead, lel” without the wreckage found or a big enough gap in time.
I know this is more a question for PrepHole but we do seem to have a lot of Titanic aficionados here....
Would the SS Californian coming to the ship's aid really have made much of a difference? Let's say they see the distress rockets and wake up the wireless operator to see what's going on and realize that the ship's sinking. What could they have done?
My understanding is that the additional lifeboats would have been of little use because the Titanic went down before they could even launch all 20 of the ones already onboard and there was obviously nothing that could have been done to stop or delay the ship from sinking, which means most of the passengers would have wound up in the frigid water anyway.
Roswell wasn't an alien craft, but a weather balloon.
What is so often left out of that, is that the balloon was part of Project Mogul; which was an effort to listen for Russian Atomic Bomb tests from the upper atmosphere.
The Army Airforce was able to hear the bombs from the U.S in the 1950s.
They soon ditched this strategy, because a more efficient and cheaper means was discovered
It was over before it even began, they knew the whole time, and everyone was freaking out and speculating on what happened on how much air they had, reminded me of the balloon testing thing.
The ocean is a loud resonant room(s) and hallway(s). The implosion is as loud as a bomb going off, probably louder given carbon fiber's propensity to shatter all at once. The alternative is some podunk Chicom loudass running and shitass crewed submarine getting off cheeky nukes on you.
imagine how many whale farts they've recorded
I was just thinking it would be funny for a yacht to drag an effigy of an orca around making obnoxious sounds, amplified orca farts recorded by a nuclear sub would be perfect
hundreds of thousands, if not millions.
Implosions are extremely loud and have a distinct signature. They probably kept quiet about it because they could tell that something strong imploded at depth (which could be... any pressure vessel) but couldn't tell for certain that it was the submarine.
QFT
you people have no idea what the frick you are talking about
I don't really either if I'm being honest, but I know enough to say that you are all completely wrong
Sounds to my orca ears like your bussy got imploded on this board and you're lashing out.
>They probably kept quiet about it because they could tell that something strong imploded at depth (which could be... any pressure vessel) but couldn't tell for certain that it was the submarine.
or you know they chose to withhold releasing the info until the same day some Hunter Biden transcripts go released?
So? His arrest and guilty plea was already all over the news. Everyone knows that he did something wrong and was caught.
You hide a story for a week with something else and it's dead news
They were waiting to find debris to confirm.
British subs can reportedly detect what ships, based on displacement, leave New York from our side of the pond with extremely high accuracy.
British and US submarines have had detection so precise and accurate that we've actively kept tabs on the Russian subs for decades.
>trident sub detects russian sub launch from other side of the world
>has to read a handwritten letter from a tiny paki to get permission to launch all three missiles in retaliation
I love my country
>Good morning sirs,
>Please redeem the bloody basterd bich in moscow
>Send bobs and vagene
>Dear regards, Rishi Sunak
Sauce?
kinoa ougi from bubuki buranki
The more I read about subs the more I realize that the only countries who can do submarine warfare worth a shit in the 21st century are all allied with each other. It's an immense power gap
It's why AUKUS is such a huge move in the strategic game, the US get another ally with top quality subs, and get to use Aussie yards for their own subs increasing their effective range and meaning they can be basically parked in the West Philippines Sea without having to travel across the pacific for maintenance.
>increasing their effective range
Range of most US subs is realistically limited only by stores of food and ability to maintain systems because air and water can be generated under the surface.
Reactor runs perpetually. Keep enough food and spare parts on board and you could cruise the seas for half a year without surfacing once if you wanted.
Afaik they don't even carry spare parts, but raw stock of materials parts are made of. Most American submarines have lathes and mills to make small parts
Does every sub have a designated expert diver / mechanic who swims out and replaces hardware on the outside while underway and fixes dents and shit like that?
Probably one of the coolest jobs on board. But I wouldn't know, I have no frame of reference.
>AU
>UK
>KU
>US
what the frick is KU? kentucky?
>the only countries who can do warfare worth a shit in the 21st century are all allied with each other
FTFY
>The only countries that can do warfare worth a shit in the 31st century are utterly hamstrung by their civilian population and governments and unable to actually leverage that advantage in a way that benefits them
Depressing.
>Hamstrung
>Can literally defeat our closest competition with a small fraction of decades-old equipment
unless you wipe it off the map the cancer is going to keep growing back eventually consuming all around it inch by inch. Bum rush grab clay, dig in, weather the bombardment, replace the population, rinse/repeat. Nothing is eternal, specially military superiority
what a stupid fricking post hahahaha
By far the most moronic post ever made
Being in a state of war is generally bad for a country. Developed countries can afford to have mercenaries carry out the small and dirty operations anyways
>hamstrung
civilians dragging the military out whenever they go full sunk cost fallacy is why the US has only had military embarrassments, never disasters
>in the 31st century
It is the 31st century, and mankind is, once again, at war.
>tfw Naumachia was cancelled
>31st century
When has mankind ever not been at war?
Assuming you meant 21st century, and yes. The gap between the military industrial complex groups and subcultures compared to the rest of the US population is huge. Military software sector is far beyond civilian sector in quality that its comical, and thats just one aspect. Something is gonna give once the distance between military families, communities, and organizations starts to significantly diverge from civilian. Sort of like the beginnings of another nation within a nation.
>Sort of like the beginnings of another nation within a nation.
Or an Outer Heaven.
what a thrill~
>Military software sector is far beyond civilian sector in quality that its comical
Is that really the case? Honestly asking; I would have thought that high commercial SWE salaries would dissuade talented programmers from even considering government work. Or I guess maybe that shit gets contracted out to companies who do pay through the nose?
>General Ripper quote
>Picture of General Turgidson
Jack Ripper prefaced that line with, "do you know what Clemenceau said about war?" Also, that's a picture of Buck Turgidson.
In the 31st century, this is only remotely true of the Outworlds Alliance, and occasionally the Free Worlds League. And it's questionable whether the OA military is actually any good.
Glory to Marik.
>The only countries that can do warfare worth a shit in the 31st century are utterly hamstrung by their civilian population and governments and unable to actually leverage that advantage in a way that benefits them
We did btfo the balls however.
>civilized countries dont go waging moronic wars of conquest on a whim that end up bankrupting the entire nation because their populations keep them in check
Yeah. Thats a good thing.
man, what would warfare in the 31st century even look like?
incredibly kino
goddamn that looks shitty compared to the old version.
the first episode has some odd points unfortunately
>people don't know about basic divide and conquer tactics in the far future and get shocked by Rein attacking each group separately
Almost the same as now but with giant mechs I would guess.
>in the 31st century
Yes brownoid our country is so hamstrung that we shape the future of other nations without setting foot on them, go back to the shitting street.
"We've been at war with the empire for over 100 years already! When the frick are they going to run out of ships?"
>in the 31st century
when will Earth pay for its crimes against the Sirius Republic?
>The more I read about subs the more I realize that the only countries who can do submarine warfare worth a shit in the 21st century are all allied with each other. It's an immense power gap
Posted before but posting is again.
the US has more operative military subs than the rest of the world put togther.
the US has 70 active service submarines.
oh yeah? how fast was the missile submarine moskva going as it touched down on the bed of the black sea?
>American subs can hear a tiny sub getting squished a 1000 miles away
Nothing new
tech is here for like 4 decades
and sensors got magnitudes better
my granddad actually worked here in Germany for a company that (still) produces sound and optical measuring Buoys
during the later years of the cold war they had a complete net of these through the North and Baltic sea (you can search on google, a few interesting stories about those)
they weren't good enough to catch every sub back then but good enough to pick up general movements of the UdSSR
today you have swarms of Buoys and Seabed mounted devices over kilometers - basically combined to one huge sensor
today they are mainly maintained by German Universities to monitor the ocean streams, storms, seismic activity among other things
but the Bundeswehr is Co-Sponsoring many of these projects
I guess they use the data too
generally ship crashes are incredibly easy to detected
and tracking largers ships too as every engine (-type, but they are usually unique) has a distinct sound pattern you can hear over looong distances in the water
A sub, especially an imploding one wouldn't be so different
also that's why there is practically no illegal fishing in the north / baltic sea - they hear every ship
i'm not entirely sure about this though
6000km is a long distances, even in the oceans
these capabilities have probably much more to do with sensors installed near New York
You mean one of those ?
British and US submarines have had detection so precise and accurate that a few homies skinnydipping in the middle of the ocean after downing a few cans of beans would make them strategically blind (or should I say deaf?).
L M A O
couldn't you blind the subs by creating a frickload of noise underwater?
Xi sisters, I don't feel so good
The only sub that was really loud enough to do that with was the Alfa class.
Sound travels extremely well and far in liquids and even better in solids.
Try to pay attention in the HS physics class in the next life.
I wouldn't worry about it.
so they can hear when i fishing with explosives?
every vessel with modern sonar can do that
No.
ye
>American submariners were probably listening in and fapping when I fricked my wife in the ocean
How do I sue?
There are limits to what they can hear anon
There are limits to what they want to hear anon
Fixed
You're telling me no sonarman has ever made a recording of whales mating?
What I keep on my hard drive is my big beautiful and blubbery secret, anon
>Your honor, I was trying to swim around but I'm dummy thicc and the clap of my asscheeks kept alerting the subs
if by 'subs' you mean 'UUVs', then yeah.
I hate western hegemony so much, I support any move that reduces it. It enraged me so hard when I learnt the US has an accoustic detection network across the world seas. As if they simply own the oceans, like an alien invasion force they throw out their military assets wherever it suits them. Despicable!
Black person this is what every hegemon does, it's just americans now have the tech to take it a step forward
It's literally to just keep the orcas in check
They are doing a piss poor job then
They aren't attacking USN ships, are they?
>implying the Americans aren't backing the orcas
>As if they simply own the oceans
We do.
>American subs can hear if a lady whale is orgasming or faking it
This isn't that special or impressive really. Sound travels unbelievably well in water and if I'm not mistaken the US has basically had this capability since WW2 with tech like sofar spheres, which make a much smaller implosion than this one .
>subs
Its SOSUS, not the boats
>so sus
>superior in pretty much all aspects
lol, lmao even
ah yes, russia, the country with a great naval heritage that produced things such as the Battle of Tsushima and the amazing top of the line aircraft carrier Kuznetsov
Hey, Typhoons and Alfas were cool at least.
The soviets had an edge on stealth up until the late 70's. Around the same time they fell behind in every other tech race. Russia has barely improved on anything since the collapse of the USSR. Their subs are shit.
>The soviets had an edge on stealth up until the late 70's
lmao, who even makes posts like this
is the SLBM part of the Russian nuclear triad compromised if Americans know where every single submarine in the ocean is?
wait till you learn how far away they can hear ships and other submarines. whales can hear each other from across the ocean
Yes
I just want to sit inside the magical orb
libera tutemet ex inferis
Underrated
basado
Extremely low frequency (ELF) stations can hear anything in the world.
Fricking knife ears
Lol 😀
Cope and seethe, friend, cope and seethe.
NATO can hear when you go wash your filthy self in water and fart your boyfirend's cum out of your ass, little homosexual.
why did they wait so long to tell everyone that they heard it?
they knew, said nothing, and let everyone worry thinking those dudes were still alive?
Because they weren't really sure what it was they heard and at the time, no one knew communication with the sub was lost.
IIRC they told the rescuers right away that they detected a sound consistent with catastrophic implosion.
They probably went on with the rescue anyway on the off chance that it was wrong.
Would have been pretty embarrassing to say "frick it" and then find out later these guys were still alive while you had the chance to do something about it.
Like, Kursk tier embarrassing.
Remember, the one where a woman started seething at some Russian official so hard during a press conference that a glowie had to walk up to her, inject her with some tranquilizer and drag her off?
It was at Putin
Because general populous worrying means as much as thought and prayers for the family.
The people running the search where told, its not a coincidence that this comes out after they already located the wreckage
because then anyone could check range and accuracy of US subs
They did share what was heard privately with the people leading recovery efforts but couldn't specify what exact tools were used for operational security reasons. It was essentially "we're pretty sure they died and the wreck was around here" but without disclosable visual confirmation they tried for recovery anyway in vein hope the Navy was wrong.
There's a reason the Navy was mostly radio silent while the Coast Guard jumped on the opportunity.
In what posssible sense of the word?
Superior at microwaving their crew, maybe.
OK, I'll answer. this, but honestly.
They pushed a bit into interesting metallurgy and also reactor technology, titanium hulled submarines with liquid metal cooling. It all sounds cool until you realise your reactor cooling needs to be kept hot at all times, at sea or quayside, or it turns into a solid lump and stops, you know, flowing through your reactor that you want kept cooled. And your titanium pressure hull was built by pushing titanium welding techniques, so you can dive far deeper than any perfidious Bong or yankee, but it also means the welds sometimes fail. Eek.
I'd suggest that the sub you'd rather serve on would be the 'better' one, and that isn't the soviet one.
Sound travels faster in water and an implosion would be louder than the entire sub hitting solid ground at terminal velocity.
A friend works at a company that does sea cable monitoring. Those have optic fiber running along that are used to monitor the stress, temperature, vibration along the cable. There is enough sensitivity to detect and identify any vessel going above it, including subs.
China knows what you ate for breakfast using data from your touchscreen phone
Why did they even bother releasing this information? What does the US Navy gain from doing so?
>Navy: We heard the sound of an implosion well before the search went underway
>Search & Rescue: Why didn't you release this info sooner so we knew to look for debris instead of survivors? (Not that there was any hope of live rescue anyways)
>DOD: Why would you tell the world our capabilities and ability to detect sounds underwater up to X range?
>Normies: Why didn't you let us know so we could anticipate the conclusion of this event?
As another Anon mentioned, did they only let this go for as long as it did for the memes?
Lmao it's old as frick and can be looked up on Wikipedia any time bro
hownuru
>did they only let this go for as long as it did for the memes?
We can both distract the population from our real plans and then reveal to our enemies the might of our detection abilities. Muahahaha
Why are you homosexuals so dense? There was no ROV or other submersible on site that could reach the depth the titan imploded at until the day it was found. As well the navy shared the information with the coast guard but of course didn’t share it with the public since they had no wreckage to 100% back up their implosion noise evidence. Anybody with 1/2 a brain knew those guys were dead the moment they lost contact and never resurfaced, but the Navy just can’t come out and say publicly “they’re probably dead, lel” without the wreckage found or a big enough gap in time.
Yet fails to find it from 500 meters from the titanic before two days.
Sad show.
I hope so.
I was doing muh laps in the pool and even I head the sub implode.
I know this is more a question for PrepHole but we do seem to have a lot of Titanic aficionados here....
Would the SS Californian coming to the ship's aid really have made much of a difference? Let's say they see the distress rockets and wake up the wireless operator to see what's going on and realize that the ship's sinking. What could they have done?
My understanding is that the additional lifeboats would have been of little use because the Titanic went down before they could even launch all 20 of the ones already onboard and there was obviously nothing that could have been done to stop or delay the ship from sinking, which means most of the passengers would have wound up in the frigid water anyway.
There'd be two ships in an iceberg field instead of one.
afaik the only lifeboats that weren't launched were those that couldn't be due to listing and other factors.
Also Yes because the Californian was so close that if it got close they could ferry people from the Titanic to the Californian.
>hear everything in the ocean
>don’t know what it is
Roswell wasn't an alien craft, but a weather balloon.
What is so often left out of that, is that the balloon was part of Project Mogul; which was an effort to listen for Russian Atomic Bomb tests from the upper atmosphere.
The Army Airforce was able to hear the bombs from the U.S in the 1950s.
They soon ditched this strategy, because a more efficient and cheaper means was discovered
2000 miles below water actually. which is even more terrifying (even though we've known they can for years).
The deepest known point on earth is only like 5.5mi deep bro
they can hear that deep too
Whales talk to each other from opposite ends of the ocean. You can hear everything underwater.
It was over before it even began, they knew the whole time, and everyone was freaking out and speculating on what happened on how much air they had, reminded me of the balloon testing thing.
Yeah but can sonar hear you fart?
Imagine dooming your sub because you had to rip ass lmao
Wagner vs. TikTok Brigade grudge match
Who wins?
fun fact: NRO satellites can detect the presence of submarines by the micrometers of displacement they cause on the ocean's surface
The ocean is a loud resonant room(s) and hallway(s). The implosion is as loud as a bomb going off, probably louder given carbon fiber's propensity to shatter all at once. The alternative is some podunk Chicom loudass running and shitass crewed submarine getting off cheeky nukes on you.
Late as frick but pic related.
And their fighter pilots think a bird is a huge flying tictac.