Two of my hiking friends are going to the USA for two months leaving me alone for the summer without hiking friends. I don't get it. I am from the Netherlands, which yes is flat and boring but Europe is better than America for landscapes. Want mountains? Go to urals, Carpathians, Alps. Want canyons? Go to Greece, Turkey, and France. Want deserts? Visit Spain. Want grasslands? Visit the European plains. Want forests? Visit England, Germany, Baltics.
I have been told American plains and flatlands and grasslands are more interesting because the heat lightening and powerful storms are awesome. But so? So you're saying Europe cannot do awe inspiring stuff?
To me it's Americentrism. Like we all must go to America for nature. Europe has so much more and yes I know people will say america has areas of super sparse populations. Okay, so does Russia. So what? If you go into nature in germany or france it won't feel any different than Alaska or Montana besides the landscape.
In my view people should stay in europe because then our nature will be more accurately seen as as good as or even better than americas. America has mythologies around their natural areas which sadly causes europeans to think it is worth it to visit.
North America mogs Europe for PrepHole and it isn't even close. The only thing you do better is being able to take trains to places and better cycling.
>North America mogs Europe for PrepHole and it isn't even close.
Doubt you even know how good some countries in europe have it.
>freedom to roam
>free national parks
>clean and well equipped camping areas
>clean and well equipped camping areas
This is a shitpost?
No, its true. They are not just clean and well equipped but also often free because there's no wiggers.
Why the frick would you want your campsite to be well equipped? Why would you want a prepared campsite at all?
>also often free
It’s the same deal here
Having a hut every 80km is quiet useful. Most of them were built by hunters or game wardens and they don't mind.
The problem is when the government or some public org comes along and marks them on the map and builds trails. Then nature is done basically and the city wiggers will start showing up.
Very based anon, I was picturing some normie parking lot.
>freedom to roam
Germany must have missed that...
The PrepHole here sucks, everything that is solid has been paved over. Theres literally not a single solid place to stand on. If you want to PrepHole have fun contending with the innumerable snakes and very aggressive bugs. If your idea of PrepHole is sleeping in an exposed WW1 trench during rain then you'll love it. But I can't even go PrepHole unless I am going abroad.
Traitor to Evropa. Don't come back.
He's right though. North America has wilderness areas the size of European countries
>Want forests? Visit England, Germany, Baltics.
Kek.
yes you should stay over there. i will come to visit and dance in your clubs and frick your women and then come back to my terrible outdoors but you can stay there
Why are you comparing one country to a continent
The US is almost as large as europe
US is much larger. Unless you add all of Russia as a Euro cope.
>Want forests? Visit England
??
We are one of the least forested countries in Europe. Go to Sweden or Finland
One of the reasons the bongs suck so fricking much is because they think London “qualifies” as a forest because they have trees on the sidewalks. So to a Brit the idea of a nice hike is walking down the street for coffee.
Nah, Germans are the worst by far. In my experience bongs will own up to things whereas the germ will actually try to argue that having an asphalt trail with a restaurant at the end is superior to real wilderness.
You say that until you walk among the red giants.
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I am not from the US and I had lower expectations for NPs outside of the well known ones (Zion, Yellowstone, Grand Canyon...) but that place was absolutely mind blowing
truly underrated NP imo
>Visit England
Britain isn't a part of Europe idiot, stay out. We're a smaller, more crowded version of the US anyway
also why are you comparing Holland to America, its a shithole. Somewhere like Norway or Iceland might be OK, but Holland? Go frick yourself stoner creep
I wish you hollandites would stick to your NWO s oyciety, don't know the last thing about PrepHole so you decide to shit up MY country.
Why dont you stick to your gay little bikes and weed instead of speaking about country? You aren't welcome here, we don't like you. Frick off back to holland, British PrepHole is NOT welcoming to foreigners.
Your post reeks of autism.
People visit the US as ecotourists for the impressiveness of natural monuments and wilderness areas, not the variation of ecosystems (though obviously it has that; you could see everything you listed in Idaho or Colorado). Europe has forests and deserts. So what? Are you really going to compare the rocky wasteland of Cabo da Gata to the American Southwest? The US has accessible 14er’s (I think some you can damn near drive up), some that could possibly kill you, and every difficulty in between. European canyons are pretty cool, but how do they stack up to the Grand Canyon? What does Europe have that even comes close to to beauty of Yellowstone?
I’m not saying you can’t go out and have a fun time in Europe, I’m just saying OP obviously has autism because he can’t grasp the idea that some places are better for reasons that can’t be quantified.
Scandiland is more enjoyable than Amerland or Leafland for long mountain trails and especially long offtrail walking (1000km+). Walking the Canadian Rockies was the only thing that came close.
dutch and north german PrepHole is boring as all hell. there are too many people and the infrastructure people love to praise is extremely obtrusive imo.
credit where credit is due there are fewer cars and less litter than most other countries ive been to.
I’m from Italy and there are some places you can go to that are more remote but the majority of trails will either have alot of people and infrastructure on them like refuges.
Some trails have less of it, otherwise you can go off trail but that usually means going on very hard to traverse places because most of the ones that are traversable are already trails.
And you’ll always be no more than a couple km from some town.
Picrel is an off trail i did, it was 45 degrees both laterally and frontally and full of vegetation, plus while walking I found myself in a shooting range in the woods
This was my off trail “trail” and it was a pain in the dick
Anyway I’ve never been there plus I’m not an experienced out guy but the us seems to be actual wilderness and nature while Europe, or at least Italy which i know better, seems more like nature is just the dead space left between towns and cities because they couldn’t build on it
Lecco?
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it just looks like the Southern limestone Alps
t. abitato a m*l#no per 10 anni e fatto centinaia escursioni sul Magnodeno/Resegone, Canzo, Varenna, Brianza, Comasco, Varesotto, sottoceneri, Ticino tutta quella zona li
>Want mountains?
Norway
>Want forests? Visit England
lol what. Just go to Norway and you'll be set for everything really
yes, and at least Europe is not a stolen land
I've seen your migration patterns, It's in progress again. Show me somewhere you can build your own cabin and be unbothered for years if true. If you can't, then you're a slave.
Migration process?
Not him but
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migration_Period
>Show me somewhere you can build your own cabin and be unbothered for years
>Want mountains? Go to urals, Carpathians, Alps. Want canyons? Go to Greece, Turkey, and France. Want deserts? Visit Spain. Want grasslands? Visit the European plains. Want forests? Visit England, Germany, Baltics.
you can get all of those in very different ways without going out of mainland spain. in fact desert, which is the one you pointed is the less typical on spain.
spain must be the most underrated PrepHole in europe
>bears
>wolfes
>salmon in the rivers
if it wasnt for you complete lack of right to roam and strict camping rules you could be honorary nordic.
>lack of right to roam
we also lack a respect for those bullshit laws. But in a more serious note, many many paths in the wilderness are actually protected public ways even if idiots gated them, you have all the right to go through them
>strict camping rules
you can camp in the night and leave in the morning almost freely
>we also lack a respect for those bullshit laws
whats bullshit about it?
>freedom to roam
Out of necessity because all of your land is extremely overdeveloped
>wow I can’t wait to camp in some guys backyard 100m from his house, so tranquil and fun, freedom to roam is awesome
America has numerous public lands the size of european countries full of wilderness where it’s legal to camp virtually anywhere. Cope, seethe, etc
>out of necessity
yes, thats how people used to get around
>because all of your land is extremely overdeveloped
the places who has it is really undeveloped and right to roam doesnt apply on developed land anyway...
>Want mountains? Go to urals, Carpathians, Alps. Want canyons? Go to Greece, Turkey, and France. Want deserts? Visit Spain. Want grasslands? Visit the European plains. Want forests? Visit England, Germany, Baltics.
i live an hour from an area with all of this and 1% of the population of the places listed
Europoors mad that 'mericans get to wake up to this every AM
what a sad view
Meanwhile in Europe
6/10. Would be a lot better without all that civilization getting in the way
This is what happens when you confuse being outside with outdoor recreation.
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I really want to do some hiking in Scandinavia and other places in Europe, but I live just a few hours away from the rockies and they take my breath away every time. I have never met a disappointed European on the trail.
you should try it, its different.
i see pictures all the time of rockys and other alpine mountains all the time, we even got them here. as scenic as they are i cant stop thinking
>thats a really unpractical place to hike
>always steep af, no flatlands, no lakes, constantly going up or down or traversing..
i would miss the barren highland plateaus here with random peaks spread out and genuinely think i would get a bit disappointed in the rockys, but thats just my taste.
The Rockies have a wide variety of terrain and geography
Don't listen to the annoying morons Euros. Most of the morons from America who talk shit about Europe constantly aren't half the outdoorsmen they claim to be. I highly suspect they're teenagers from /k/ who's idea of going out in the woods is taking a picture of their rifle against a tree then going home to post about it on their S.T.A.L.K.E.R. thread. Many of your countries look cool as shit and I hope to get to do some backpacking there someday and see what right-to-roam is all about.
> In my view people should stay in europe
I agree completely. Nothing to do with out though. Just my hatred of all people.
Sounds like a jealous europoor. Maybe acrually come over here and see America for yourself and you wouldn't be so bitter. Hopefully your friends never return to you after their 2 months in paradise
There are a lot of places in the U.S. that are ascribed as other worldly or supernatural. We have cryptids, brown mountain lights, but also things like the redwoods or great sand dunes that just feel bizarre to experience. Is there stuff like that in Europe?
finngay here and last I checked, USA has some wonderful nature for hiking and camping and has literally every sort of climate and biome you'd want. I want to visit at least once.
please stay there
>Butthurt cope
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