Am I the only one who thinks that flak vests are cooler than modern body armor for some reason?
Am I the only one who thinks that flak vests are cooler than modern body armor for some reason?
Am I the only one who thinks that flak vests are cooler than modern body armor for some reason?
For me it's flak vests and proprietary optics mounts in sci-fi specifically
Real jarring to see plate carriers and pic rail in scifi just because prop departments are creatively bankrupt and lazy and can't even bother to do what the Star Wars crew did 45 years ago
You take that back, zoomer
SG doesn't count for what
meant and you know it.
SG is set in our world so it gets a pass
Besides it's still got Blackhawk vests and P90s (and whatever AR passed for tacticool around GWOT) as opposed to all ARs all the time
Prime has SG-1 on a channel stream now.
Kill, frick, frick, marry
I cant fricking breath lmao, but why marry the older guy and not the younger guy you if you're gonna go down like that
>why marry the older guy and not the younger guy you if you're gonna go down like that
Answer is obvious. He is MacGuyver and can solve any problem with some duct tape, paperclip and some wire. Drug dealers across the street. Gone. Some math shit like Smale's problems. Solved.
What bugs me is when it's literally just cheap Temu plate carriers without any sci-fi gubbins on them, with the exception of near future stuff like
One of the things I like about Killzone is that the ISA is look like generic oorah tacticool guys while the Helghast have the more unique weapos and vehicles.
>Real jarring to see plate carriers and pic rail in scifi
yeah i think prop departments are getting VERY lazy with sci-fi guns. half the time its just a tricked-out AR. In a society where way more people are gun literate, you cant just throw some LEDs and a weird handguard on an AR and call it a plasma rifle.
>looking cooler than
Okay larper, frick off to PrepHole if you want to be a fashionable homo
War and conflict does not give a frick who looks cooler. Flak vests offer terrible ballistic protection compared to modern body armor
Seriously, kys or frick off to a QTDDTOT
Flak vests are perfectly useful for present day conflicts like Ukraine, where most of the threat is from artillery
With the increasing drone threat they're probably only going to become more common
They're not viable at all because they only stop flak and maybe low caliber pistol rounds.
What do you think artillery and drone drops kill you with, huh? Fragmentation. The minimalist plate carriers in vogue now do almost nothing against that threat. The larper likes to think it's him and his superior level IV plate against the bad guy when it's him against an artillery shell and a shitload of frag
For flak vest
V50 (velocity of fragments penetrating 50% of the time) for 0.26 gram fragment is about 750m/sec
For VOG-17 average weight for the fragment is 0.35 gram and initial velocity is 1400m/s. And this not a coincidence that VOG-17 fragments zip through flak vests, it's by design.
If anything SAPI plate can stop fragments, flak vests not really (Big scam! Many such cases!).
I don't think the OP meant that it must specifically be a ballistic nylon flak vest
Fatty larpoid
>I don't think the OP meant that it must specifically be a ballistic nylon flak vest
contextually, people refer to the M1955 vest, armored when people talk about the flak jacket which was made out of nylon
the original flak jacket from WW2, the reason why its called a flak jacket, is also made of ballistic nylon
the next armored vest, the kevlar vest, is never called a flak vest or flak jacket in common conversation
its called a bullet-resistant vest or kevlar vest while the one in US service was called PASGT
only a single navy variant of PASGT was referred to as a flak vest, but no one is ever going to bring that up
>don't think the OP meant that it must specifically be a ballistic nylon flak vest
These numbers are for PASGT protection levels (modern kevlar frag protection outside SAPIs is about the same).
I swear to god you can come up with all the science in the world regarding ballistic protection but OP will literally just deny them just to maintain his cope
Look OP, you miserable homosexual, it's okay to say that flak vests look cooler. The eighties were sovl, the GWOT-era is sovlless, I really and genuinely get it. But it is literally focussing on how it looks (i.e. fashion). In a real world proper body armor is lightyears ahead of flak vests. Flak vest are better than nothing but any certified body armor is better than that ancient crap
>moving the goalposts once again
many such cases!
>screeching autistic insults
lmao seethe harder, please bump the thread a few times to keep it alive so that more people can laugh at you
>initial velocity is 1400m/s.
if a bomb hit you right in the chest, then you have bigger issues than the fragmentation
fragments and splinters are not aerodynamically efficient, so they lose velocity rapidly over distance
a mortar round will produce about ~900 m/s at the site of the blast but its reduced to below the protective limit of kevlar after only about 50m
>fragments and splinters are not aerodynamically efficient, so they lose velocity rapidly over distance
Yeah, VOG-17 fragments start to be stopped by flak kevlar at about 15-25 m range, when lethal radius for VOG-17 is stated as 7 meters...
you do realize that bomb fragments can retain wounding effect way past 7m?
lethal radius for the projectile would be lower than 7m against a target wearing a kevlar vest
>lethal radius for the projectile would be lower than 7m against a target wearing a kevlar vest
Like I said VOG-17 fragments due to slow down start to fail to penetrate PASGT level protection around 15-25m range.
>Like I said VOG-17 fragments due to slow down start to fail to penetrate PASGT level protection around 15-25m range.
and the fragments would retain at least wounding velocity well past 25m
so kevlar would be highly effective at protecting against this kind of projectile unless the bomb landed right on top of you
>and the fragments would retain at least wounding velocity well past 25m
Yeah, only VOG-17 official lethal radius is 7m, and within this radius it's fragments zip through kevlar armor...
Not him, but you both agree. You come off as a fricking autistic twat throwing a tantrum cause you misunderstood the first post and can't admit it
>Flak vests are perfectly useful for present day conflicts like Ukraine, where most of the threat is from artillery
they were totally obsoleted by the kevlar vest, which can stop everything the flak vest can
and modern armor can stop both artillery fragments and rifle rounds
literally no reason to go back to ballistic nylon vests
you can wear side and rear kevlar panels in addition to the kevlar plate on the front
the IOTV literally does that, it has a slot in the front for ceramic plate to protect your vital organs from up to .30 AP, and slots in the side and rear for lighter kevlar panels to protect from splinter and fragments
there is literally no reason to use the M1955 over the IOTV, especially since you can just wear kevlar instead of the ceramic plate if weight is a concern and you didnt need lungs
>the IOTV literally does that
Yes, but do you think the average larper puts on a GWOT-tier vest with soft armor and all? No.
Larper. Let's see how much that high cut and JPC protect when there's frag flying around, huh
>gets called a larper
>no u is his best response
You are one pathetic homo, I'll you that
Once again;
>JPC
>shitty lightweight muh high speed low drag vest
you're still trying to bend reality to fit your fantasy with those cherrypicked arguments
>high cut
As in, helmet? gee, I did not know a flak vest protected your ears
>they were totally obsoleted by the kevlar vest, which can stop everything the flak vest can
Nobody is talking about ballistic nylon. They are talking about kevlar. A flak vest is a patter not a material.
>makes a shit thread about how X is cooler than Y
>starts coping when OPs argument is pulled apart with facts & reality of war
>but muh perfectly useful!!1!!
No Black person. A flak vest is merely better than nothing at all. Modern body armor simply MOGS the ballistic protection offered by body armor. Don't try to come up with moronic cope.
If you want to look cool, enjoy your larping fantasy. Don't bend reality to fit your dream world
9 out 10 when a carrier looks bad it'll fit bad and wears bad too
>War and conflict does not give a frick who looks cooler
Wrong, homosexual
Double wrong, doublehomosexual. Murphys laws of war states that, all else being equal, the army with the simpler uniform wins. No wonder you are obsessed with fashion, you've been in the closet for a long time
Which nationality these soldiers belongs to?
Polish circa mid 90s
Armor Carrier vest > PCs and Flaks.
Militaries never stopped developing or issuing armor carriers. The IOTV is an awful design but better ones have replaced it. The only reason you see so many PCs in Ukraine is because so much armor is aide and you get what you can. And ignorant grunts thinks it makes them look cool and highspeed.
No, there are many morons around.
I've worn PASGTs, IBAs, CIRAS, and 6094s professionally.
Flak vests are absolutely the fricking worst, and I'm not talking about protection.