>always wear cotton, even in the dead of winter
>never had a mouse problem
Why is PrepHole so incredibly fearful of this?
>always wear cotton, even in the dead of winter. >never had a mouse problem
>always wear cotton, even in the dead of winter
>never had a mouse problem
Why is PrepHole so incredibly fearful of this?
Mice can carry rabies so I'm not taking any chances. Synthetic all the way for me.
Lol what is the deal with cotton and mice?
Nice camp btw, nice to see a fellow large fire enjoyer.
It is widely known that certain people who frequent PrepHole have an irrational fear of cotton and an equally irrational fear of mice.
According to these people (Americans), both can result in immediate death for the individual that is exposed to such horrors.
People don't like cotton because it's a poor insulator, and it absorbs your sweat and makes you cold. It also takes forever to dry. Wool is superior in every conceivable way. The only reason you'd ever wear cotton over wool in cold/damp weather is because you're too poor to afford wool.
Cotton is actually a better insulator than wool when it's dry.
No it's not...especially if you get into the higher quality wools like alpaca and yak. But even average sheep wool is far warmer than cotton on a per gram basis.
Yes it is. This is established fact. Wool was never warmer than cotton for a given weight under ideal conditions, it just handles moisture much better.
You're wrong. Stop replying.
I'm definitely right. I read it somewhere once in highschool, and it's definitely true based on my experience. Cotton sucks in wet conditions but compared to wool with the same weight and thickness and general weave quality it's just as warm if not warmer so long as it stays dry. This is only really relevant to things like blankets, not to clothing, I would never wear cotton outerwear or insulative layers on the trail.
Bro use your google skills...
I did. Google is wrong. The results don't take the weight and weave of the fabric into consideration. It's just women's fashion websites making generalizations.
As someone who has been wearing cotton my whole life and switched to wool a couple years ago, my personal experience says that you're dead wrong. Wool has been life changing for me during winter.
Good, you should wear wool. It's not actually warmer though.
keep telling yourself that poorgay
Wool does not get up in the middle of the night to slit your throat like cotton does
>wool
You mean felt
Felt is not melton and melton is not flannel and flannel is not knit or jersey. And all of them have merit.
You're right anon, this was drilled into my head during boy-scouts and I always wore wool socks out camping.
The boy scout motto is "be prepared."
The "I wore cotton in the woods yesterday and didn't die" trolls don't really understand that concept.
>absolutely fricking rent free
What completely irrelevant “country” are you from?
Only white Britons can wear cotton. The burgermutt is too weak and fragile to be able to handle a superior garment of cotton.
You don't know shit about cotton m8
I've never heard of this. Although I'm pretty sure the US is probably one of the largest cotton producers in the world.
>US living absolutely rent free as always
Cotton underwear/shirts are fine. The issue is thick cotton insulation, that's what can kill you. A wool or polyester hoodie over a cotton T-shirt is as good as anything but a 100% cotton sweatshirt that gets soaked in an autumn rain will suck the heat from your body and make you hypothermic in no time. The reason this issue matters is because people put way too much emphasis on baselayer, when that's the least important. Your baselyer is the most protected from the elements, it's too thin to absorb that much moisture, and it's the closest to your body heat which dries it out. Cotton baselayer never hurt anyone.
t. never goes PrepHole lol
lmao even
Even outside of “muh cotton kills lol,” why in the holy frick would you wear it while hiking? Car camping or playing GI Joe in the woods, sure, knock yourself out. Who cares? But there’s no way you’ll avoid sweating on a strenuous hike. Then you’ll be uncomfortable and damp for the rest of the weekend.
PrepHole is rife with know-it-all children who have gone hiking maybe a dozen times and fancy themselves experts. Anyone can go on a few hikes and never run into any issues.
This is the outdoors board, not the hiking board. Hiking does not = being an outdoorsman. Kek. It is closer to a fitness activity than an outdoors activity for most people.
To be a real outdoorsman I think a person needs to spend alot of time in woods, in the same location, for multiple seasons multiple years... that's the only way to really understand the cycles of it all, the plants, the animals, etc. That's the only way to get to actually get to know a place and it really restricts it to people who live on the land. Being a good outdoorsman is a very local thing imho.
Walking a trail and making a camp is a fun activity, but it really has very little to do with being an "outdoorsman".
The intersection between true outdoorsmen who spend enough of their life living in wilderness to develop a zenlike connection to nature and people shitposting about fabrics on PrepHole is the null set.
“Cotton kills” applies to hiking and nothing else. If you wore cotton during some other outdoor activity, why would anyone care? Why post about it?
>this is what defines the outdoors
Wonderful. But backpacking can put people further into the wilderness than camping next to your car or fishing from the shore or shooting ducks from a boat.
See I just spent about five hours in the woods looking for some rare hardwood seedlings to put in my yard. It wasn't hiking, it wasn't hunting, it wasn't camping, but I see alot more of the woods than if I was doing any of those things, especially if I was just walking on a trail. I did the same thing yesterday too and I'll do the same thing tomorrow morning for an hour or two before work.
How many times did you die while you were out earlier?
One of us is obviously moronic, so please explain the point of this post.
>this is more outdoorsy that just hiking
It has nothing to do with cotton and this was stated bluntly in the post you were replying to, so that can’t be the point
>I wore cotton/didn’t wear cotton
You weren’t hiking so it doesn’t matter
>sorry, wrong thread
Now that would make sense
>Wonderful. But backpacking can put people further into the wilderness than camping next to your car or fishing from the shore or shooting ducks from a boat.
Lol this is the comment I responded to bozo.
I’ll ask again: what does it have to do with cotton?
Because the suggestion seems to be that some people don't like it for hiking, and I am simply pointing out the completely germane point that hiking is not all there is to the outdoors kek.
>umm Janny he is off topic
Fricking homo.
>the suggestion
Get out of your own head, schizo. No one suggested anything, you just inferred it.
>hiking doesn’t count
Found the fat ass.
I wear wool and have never had a mouse problem. Is this a common phenomenon for non-woolchads?
the are addicted to microplastics
It has been scientifically proven that most occurrences of skinwalker are tied to cotton
never read bigger bullshit than this
skinwalkers are allergic to cotton
That is exactly what a skin walker would say, not falling for that, I only wear leather or animal product like wool, wearing plant product is not only for homosexual it is a sure way to let the skin walker get you
Cotton kills
Cotton is fine if you don't get wet. But if you hike any significant amount, you will sweat and it will make you colder.
have you ever heard of bringing multiple shirts on a hike?
Yeah, it's among the most common rookie mistakes in hiking to pack half of your wardrobe.
what? no, just like 1-2 cotton t-shirts to change into when they get soaked
I've been doing it for years
I get it, for longer backpacking trips that's not as practical, but for day hikes and one night overnights it works fine.
Or just wear a cheap wicking shirt from TJ maxx instead.
never, polyester is itchy and uncomfortable, so is wool, there's a reason cotton is the #1 most popular fabric
Why isn’t cotton used by athletes?
>polyester is itchy
lul what?
>just another cotton Chad checking in.
The reason it's the most popular fabric for the general public is because it's comfortable and cheap. Normies don't need to worry about freezing to death in their home due to a bit of sweat. Almost no serious PrepHoledoorsman wears a cotton baselayer. It's either wool or infertility plastic. The moronation in this thread is something you'd only find on LARPER central aka PrepHole. Go to any serious non-anonymous outdoors community and try to make this thread. You will be laughed out the door.
Now if you'd just get a job and make some money you could buy a merino base layer and see what all the fuss is about yourself.
Cotton is a great fabric, not everything involves a base layer. I mean it might be the case that in certain temperatures there is something better (idk really), but that has nothing to do with any one of the other countless climates or uses that cotton is fine for- maybe even superior.
I have no problem with wearing cotton in the summer. You'll notice that this thread is about winter, and in cold weather, cotton is inferior.
Maybe so, but not all cold weather even requires a base layer. What you are saying is that once you get to a certain point of coldness, where a base layer is required etc., that there are better fabrics than cotton... which is probably correct, but YOU set those goal posts up.
>but YOU set those goal posts up.
No. OP set those goalposts up when he claimed:
>always wear cotton, even in the dead of winter
You can obviously wear whatever the hell material you want in the winter if your hike is comprised of a 1 mile walk along flat ground. If you've never been in a situation where you were wearing cotton in cold weather and your own sweat was giving you the chill then you aren't the sort of person who needs to worry about base layers. This discussion isn't about you.
>even in the dead of winter
Nice mental gymnastics. He didn't say what kind of winter temperatures were involved. In some places you are looking at 35 degrees or higher in the dead of winter which absolutely does not require a serious base layer imho. A cotton shirt and a jacket will do just as well in that temp, and maybe even better if it gets a little warm in the afternoon.
Anyways YOU set those goal posts up assuming the only scenario was actual frigid temps.
>He didn't say what kind of winter temperatures were involved
You're being disingenuous and just arguing for the sake of arguing. You know exactly what he meant. Stop responding to me now.
> A cotton shirt and a jacket will do just as well in that temp, and maybe even better if it gets a little warm in the afternoon.
no it won't. even if cotton does the job, it does the job worse at any temperature close to or below freezing.
>You know exactly what he meant. Stop responding to me now.
Unhinged cope
If we are talking about like a low of 30ish and a high of maybe 50ish, I'll take the cotton shirt with jacket honestly.
Bruh what even is this? If it’s in the 40’s I don’t want to wear sweaty cotton.
If it's in the 40s you take the jacket off and wear a heavy cotton shirt. Wool is too hot for that.
If anything, wool is too dang warm for me, unless it's below 20F. Synthetics don't wick moisture all that well, but it's still an improvement over cotton.
>mice
I’m guessing this is a reference to this thread
, which in turn references a video showing a guy with a mouse problem where he’s camping.
cotton chads stay winning
lf it's so bad then why do all the cowboys wear it?
Look it up. Back when cowboys actually did far cattle drives, they wore wool. When they started living on ranches permanently, they started wearing cotton.
Let me try to explain why cotton t-shirts are sub-par. Cotton simply doesn't fulfill the primary function of a baselayer: to move sweat away from the body. Instead, it absorbs moisture and dries slowly. Why is this bad? Because it prevents evaporative cooling while you're active and sweating, leaving you with a wet baselayer that saps heat by facilitating convection. A wool or synthetic baselayer dries faster and absorbs less moisture, cooling you down more when you need it and cooking off most of the moisture while you're active. When you stop to rest, your baselayer will then be much dryer. Wool is a compromise in function compared to synthetics, but if you're going PrepHole in a group for several days or weeks, they'll thank you for wearing wool instead of stinky synthetics.
That’s why it’s a decent idea to have a set of long woolly underwear and a cotton t-shirt as the second layer. Just stack whatever the conditions demand on top of that.
The sweat from your upper body is transferred through the woolly layer into the t-shirt and your skin will dry quickly.
you forgot to mention that during winter a soaked cotton shirt is nearly impossible to dry and it will freeze into a hard metal like sheet
everyone always talks about summer in mind but forgets that in many parts of the world winter is 60%-80% of the whole year and that roughly translates into beign PrepHole 60%-80% of the year if im not mistaken
Wtf is this USian thread. Are you all so fat you lose one gallon of sweat as soon as you walk a steep slope ? I've always wore full coton or coton/synthetic on hikes in the winter, never had any problem as long as I kept walking. Yeah wool is good if you want to take a long break, but coton is not a big deal either. I did 8hrs of hiking in mountain, 0°C and a huge rain/molten snow. Full coton + a kway. Never had a chill as long as I kept walking. If I stopped, just had to hide from the wind, and it was fine
I’ll tell you an anecdote, my friend.
>be yurogay army conscript
>middle of the winter, -10 degrees celsius or colder, dozens of centimeters of powder snow everywhere
>just hanging around, basically, and wearing a full wool/polyester underlayer, cotton clothes in the middle, and a synthetic winter camo layer on the very top
>suddenly told to relocate ASAP
>carrying and loading all the equipment we had with us into the vehicles is pretty strenuous, break out a little sweat
>power walking and jogging for about 10 km while plowing through the snow with a 15 kg backpack and a rifle with all the layers as well as a helmet and a vest is flipping horrible, sweat profusely
>get to destination and remain semi-stationary for hours
>thanks to the base layer, the sweat got absorbed by the cotton clothes
>remain dry and warm enough
Which country
>eurogay
>conscript
>below zero and snowing
Well it's basically either Switzerland, Austria, Finland or Norway.
Binland, yeah.
hyvää yötä
Samoin teillekin sinne.
If you can't survive comfortably for sustained periods outdoors at -C temps in a wet environment while wearing nothing but cotton, you should not leave the house at all.
Honestly yes. I don't start thinking about wool unless it's -10°C or if I don't want to take a jacket. Otherwise it's simply overkill and you may even overheat if you wear a jacket
>everyone sweats the same
>everyone has the same level of dampness tolerance
>everyone has the same lack of budget
>everyone has the same intolerance for "itchy" fabric
I'll stick with wool. Thanks.