Although managing to shoot down 4 Houthi drones, Danish frigate HDMS Iver Huitfeldt was unable to fire ESSM missiles at times while in action in the Red Sea due to integration issue with Dutch APAR radar and Danish C-FLEX Combat Management System.
76mm shells also exploded prematurely when fired.The ship is returning home sooner than expected.
This looks really bad for C-Flex system
Never buy boutique European radars or battle management systems.
APAR/ SMART-L (and derivatives) are fitted on the majority of major European surface AAW combatants (25+ ships) and have been integrated with several CMS.
It outperforms AN-SPY derivatives in all metrics, it is not even close. AN/SPY-6 is just trying to close the gap.
In this instance Terma A/S the local Danish supplier of C-FLEX has some patching to do.
Patently false
>Patently true
FTFY.
>its better!
>demonstrates that its not better
>it's better!
>demonstrates dozens and dozens of times that it's betters
>has a software glitch once (NEVER HAPPENS WITH AN/SPY EVER!)
>moronic haters immediately fixate on this single data point to "prove" their moron opinions
FTFY. Cope and seethe more about it.
>it works in our secret testing that we never conduct
>it failed in combat but so what
LMAO
Absolutely MALDing
Bet they're glad they got to test it
Where does this get us up to on the Red Sea livefire excercise scoreboard?
Shameful
>This looks really bad for C-Flex system
While it does look bad for now, getting these sorts of real-world scenarios will allow them to fix the system, and simulate similar scenarios for any future upgrades.
>pastry navy doesn't test fire the guns on their warships
>meanwhile on /k/...
you can't be serious
This calls into question every major European designed piece of military hardware
Samegay.
Why does the US allow its client states to field subpar radar equipment
most benevolent overlords since the persian empire
sounds like a similar problem the Germans had with the SM-2s and ESSM, but more severe. Main problem being that the FCS fire solutions have been set for fast speeding missiles or jets and not slow drones. Supposedly the Germans fixed that, because it was a parameter problem and not a complete integration issue, seeing how their Cannon and RIM-Launcher worked fine afterwards.
This is really great. All these euro ships are getting a real workout of their systems under combat conditions and literally nothing of any real worth is being risked.
We should thank the houthis for helping us iron out the kinks in our shit when the war with Russia turns hot.
Why is the US so much better at this kind of shot than the euros
>Why is the US navy so much better than the navy of a country of ~6 million
Who knows
Good, it’s best you don’t forget it
Russian divide and conquer psyops Black person please go
>US/euro shitflinging is now a russian psyop
Always was.
Russia delenda est.
>hurrrr its russia
why are you trannies always like this
Can you cut it on trannies? Go look some other insult you moron.
Also yeah, russians, Putin's oil money and soviet petros have been fricking over the west for decades now, I hope the hohols keep bombing your refineries until you end up more broke than Venezuela.
>Can you cut it on trannies? Go look some other insult you moron.
you will never be a woman^
Russians don’t put 80-IQ brown peasants in charge of their hydrocarbon industry. Russia’s financial and energy sectors are very competently run so something like Venezuela would never happen there.
>put 80-IQ brown peasants in charge of their hydrocarbon industry
no they put FAS addled half turkic ones in charge
They have a lot more operational experience and a larger budget, not to mention a single unified navy instead of being a collection of a dozen disparate navies.
>peacetime EU military equipment simply doesn't work
You don't say
How many times did they live fire test it in the last 20 years?
It’s a radar complex, it should have been apparent that it had bugs in training
how many times have they actually fired the ESSM on that frigate class?
Seems to me these teething problems are very similar to all the torpedo shenanigans of the early 1940s. Pretty much every navy except the IJN found out their torpedoes were malfunctioning (the USN was a particularly notorious case). Peacetime budgets and high ammo cost meant there wasn't enough money for comprehensive testing (or, in some cases, any testing) leading to a ton of issues during combat.
are the french the only euro country having something even remotely close to a functional military?
idk anon, seems pretty effective to me
https://x.com/visegrad24/status/1775529556356583486
italy didn't have any issue with houti drones either
So basically the Danish didn’t do any serious testing and just believed marketing claims by a small MIC contractors? Good thing they learned their lesson against the Houthis and not in a real war or that would be one very dead boat. Anyway I hope the lying trash companies get reamed for this — probably won’t though. Euros will probably just pretend that it’s nobody’s fault and that everyone learns together etc.
to be fair with so many integration points it may be nobody's fault and everyone learns together
>believed marketing claims by a small MIC contractor
Same Danish company has designed parts for the F-35. Time to be ~~*concerned*~~?
The F-35 is made out of Lego?!
Remember this is the country that invented the "fitted for but not with" idea of building empty weapon slots on its ships instead of fully arming them. Are you really going to expect them to pay the cost of a full suite of comprehensive weapon tests, engaging multiple incoming targets in a real live fire exercise?
A lot of British naval vessels are fitted for but not with as well
Like the carrier and catapults or the type 45 and land attack missiles
>Like the carrier and catapults or the type 45 and land attack missiles
lmfao, what the absolute frick were those arrogant bongs thinking?
friendly reminder the houthis have managed to hit one (1) ship in the past four weeks, which ended up being a chinese tanker transporting russian oil to india (despite making a deal not to hit chinese & russian ships and the ship's transponder signalling "CHINESE OWNER CREW")
>bugpeople trusted thirdies to not frick up
Whenever they try to do things differently, to show off Midda Kangdom Numba Wan-style, they get REMINDED why the Western system is set up the way it is.
Once again failing to mention that the owners had only updated the ship ownership registry a month prior. It used to belong to the British. Iranian Intel was out-of-date and the exact thing happened when Iran was attacking tankers. There’s no chance Houthis are interrogating transponders as a part of these engagements get serious lol. It was literally just a mistake because the Singapore owner didn’t bother updating the registry for some reason and the Iranian data was a little old, not because the Houthis are randomly attacking everyone or are screwing the Chinese.
Wait. As it TURNS OUT the Chinese ship was actually under a Panamanian flag. So the old intel plus the fact it wasn’t Chinese-flagged is probably why it got targeted. Weird how most of the news bites didn’t mention the critical and relevant issue of which flag the ship was flying.
He also failed to mention what the crew had for breakfast, and their shoe size. Probably because it's irrelevant to the point he was making.
Seems good to me. All the potentially dangerous flaws that no one would ever know about are being worked out thanks to the skeet shooting in the Red Sea. This has been a blessing for the west.
>that no one would ever know about
Unless they actually trained and tested systems...
Or designed them properly in the first place, software issues should basically not exist...
you should've recognized the filename format, the concerntrolling and samegayging from the start, idiot
Best part is how the top chiefs in the navy assured the politicians and the minister of defence that everything worked as it should. Literally Russian standards.
useless without shells
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Denmark's Chief of Defence just got fired, kek
YIKES. I wonder why he would do something so foolish? Is it his fault if the systems don’t work? Or could it be that he pushed for them, failed to do proper testing / got bought off etc and when it screwed up in combat he tried to sweep it under the rug? Really odd behavior I wonder what the inside scoop is.
Also announced shortly after, the rushed purchase of Israeli artillery systems is gonna be delayed another year and potentially cost up to 1 billion DKK more than expected.
premature detonation happens to every ship, its normal
>HDMS Iver Huitfeldt
"class of air defence frigates that entered "
> 76mm shells also exploded prematurely when fired
this doesn’t make any sense since they’re proxy rounds
the radar/FCS has no say in that
>My name is Pierre Von Wyzydszzwiz from the Independent Taxation Haven Dutchy of Lickin-Bikinstein and I am demoralized. Europe should not be involved in American foreign policy wars. The modern military should not be a fighting force, but for only internal security and natural disaster relief
good^
It is often said that boutique European radars are vastly overrated
Likewise, it is often said that african pygmies make poor PrepHole dot org posters, yet-
>Likewise, it is often said that african pygmies make poor PrepHole dot org posters, yet-
and this invalidates the SHIT european radars....how?
this post convinced me the euro radar is good, and that euro's have their entire military fate in their own hands! good luck against Russia! were not going!
This is why I prefer the Norwegian CLFAM FYUT, it better integrates with the OWAC F/GTAR for much better cross sectional capabilities
My name is Sven Von Dickenstein, second in the line of succession of the semi-autonomous duchy of Lichen-Dickenstein and I concur that our great continent should not be involved in the petty squabbling between the Americans and the former shithole republics of the USSR and its interests. Furthermore, I demand that America handle all internal security and national disaster relief because the good people of Lichen-Dickenstein can’t be assed to participate in our own pettt affairs.
Had I been there, it wouldn't have went down like it did.
This is really embarrassing for the Dutch, and by extension, all of Europe.
>Although managing to shoot down 4 Houthi drones, Danish frigate HDMS Iver Huitfeldt was unable to fire ESSM missiles at times while in action in the Red Sea due to integration issue with Dutch APAR radar and Danish C-FLEX Combat Management System.
>76mm shells also exploded prematurely when fired.The ship is returning home sooner than expected.
>This looks really bad for C-Flex system
>Manufacturer: Raytheon
>Unit cost: US$956,000-US$1,795,000 (FY2021) (average)
>Produced:September 1998
>No. built:2000th missile delivered 2 August 2012
ahahhaahaahha
the absolute state of the grift western MIC's did for decades is honestly a comedy
The missiles aren't the problem moron
>The missiles aren't the problem moron
they will be when the radar is fixed!
>AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH
Radar wasn't the problem either
The problem was the combat management system that lets the radar and missiles work together.
>The problem was the combat management system that lets the radar and missiles work together.
loolololol
>"the problem is both!"
and this is better....how?
...you have no idea how this shit works if you think both the radar and missiles are broken because the computer systems that facilitate the integration of both systems is not working properly.
>radar didnt work
>missile wont fire
>ship had to sail back to friendly port to figure it out
lmfao, I guess Danes will call a "time out" against Russia or something right?
holy absolute frick, when do you homosexuals accept your "L"?
Yeah we’re laughing at the C-flex in this very thread.
Yeah the c-flex is a laughing stock
>A Danish pig farmer's frigate with a point defense SAM system (ESSM) can shoot down 4 enemy missiles while suffering severe software issues
>A Russian guided missile cruiser and fleet flagship with 2 layered SAM systems and a gun based CIWS can't shoot down 2 cossack harpoons
Russia really never stood a chance in the empire game did they?
I'd piss myself laughing if the issue turns out to be anti-GIGO code in the combat management software. Would be such a stereotypical failing of military software designed to civvie standards.