All F/A-50s have arrived in poland.

All F/A-50s have arrived in poland.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    All "Gap Filler" FA-50 (essentially ex RoKAF stocks) you meant

    The actual FA-50 Block 20 wont be delivered until 2027 at least. Since Malaysia and Senegal are also getting FA-50 Block 20 (basically by riding off Polish programme. Letting the poles to pay for integration cost and they got themselves FA-50 Block 20 at a far reduced price) expect more delay, perhaps even 2030

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thank you ChatGPT

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous
    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They were bought as replacement for ground attack planes. The idea was to turn them into Brimstone or Spike trucks.

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >can't carry heavy payload like stormshadow
    >can't carry bvr a2a missiles like aim120
    >can only carry small bombs and missiles
    ummm what do poles gonna with these things?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Train pilots?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >a supersonic jet trainer with a radar and some hard points which can merely install some light missiles
        definitely placed as a low-end F16s for junior AF pilots, but still useful than a MiG-29 consider kurwas has less and less soviet weapons on stock

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Once they get F-16V radars and better missiles they would be good cheap drone hunters.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Once they get F-16V radars
            When is that happening?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Need bodies before you can make pilots.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Its a trainer. Any other use is a meme.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Apparently Poland also wants to use Block 20 for cheap air policing

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The FA-50 will be able to carry AMRAAM and the light version of Taurus.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What the hell are you talking about? FA-50 can carry as much as Gripens.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >14 000kg = 10 722kg

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Can you actually read?

          >gripen payload: 11,700lbs
          >FA-50 payload: 12,000lbs

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://i.imgur.com/HuhCv4d.jpeg

            [...]
            [...]
            Yeah, you would be to dumb to think FA-50 carries less than Gripen when it has the same engine and almost the same wingspan as F-16.

            FA-50
            >Empty weight 6,470kg
            >Payload 5,400kg
            >MTOW 10,722kg
            What moronic asiatic did the math here where empty weight + payload exceeds the MTOW by 1 ton without even accounting for fuel.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >14 000kg = 10 722kg

        I think the wikipedia page mixed it up with T-50B, which is a trainer only version as compared to the current FA-50 airframe.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >wikipedia
        Highest capacity weapon stations: F/A-50 2500lbs, Gripen NG 2865lbs, late F-16 4500lbs, F-35 5000lbs. Number of hardpoints is also limited, you have 3 heavy ones instead of 5. No dedicated hardpoints for targeting or EW pods, you will quickly run out of space and the plane will rarely fly missions near its MTOW. Better weapons like any AIM-120 variant or anything newer than obsolete AIM-9L are not integrated yet btw, RDT&E for integration typically costs $50-250M per weapon type

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Gripen NG
          homie why would you compare with a version more expensive than F-35 when C/D are the obvious rivals?
          >Number of hardpoints is also limited
          Seems adequate for its class.
          >No dedicated hardpoints for targeting or EW pods
          So is Turkish Hurjet.
          >Better weapons like any AIM-120 variant or anything newer than obsolete AIM-9L are not integrated yet btw
          AMRAAM integration is ongoing as per the request from the Polish air force. Btw, did you know that the current Gripen E doesn't have AIM-120 integrated unlike its previous versions? The US state department doesn't allow new integrations of AIM-120 on non-US aircrafts except for a few exception like FA-50, which has LM as a co-developer.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >homie why would you compare with a version more expensive than F-35 when C/D are the obvious rivals?
            first version I found, does C or D have stronger hardpoints? but shouldn't matter, FA-50 can't carry heavy cruise missiles just like the first anon stated and comparing it to a full fledged fighter is pointless
            >AMRAAM integration is ongoing as per the request from the Polish air force
            an executive agreement for radar and weapon integration has not been signed yet

            Korea is flying them with 9m btw

            Also, is 300 lbs justifies upgrading to F414? If anything the upcoming single seat FA-50 variant could probably carry more payload despite using the same engine

            [...]
            It "could" carry ass-ram if the poles choose to integrate them. It doesn't make sense to integrate them on FA-50 if the F-16 (Poles actual front line jets) couldn't fire assram.

            >Korea is flying them with 9m btw
            good point but it's still obsolete and hard to buy, 9X would be good

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Korea is flying them with 9m btw

          Also, is 300 lbs justifies upgrading to F414? If anything the upcoming single seat FA-50 variant could probably carry more payload despite using the same engine

          It can carry ASSRAAMS

          It "could" carry ass-ram if the poles choose to integrate them. It doesn't make sense to integrate them on FA-50 if the F-16 (Poles actual front line jets) couldn't fire assram.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/3OqovSO.png

      What the hell are you talking about? FA-50 can carry as much as Gripens.

      >14 000kg = 10 722kg

      Yeah, you would be to dumb to think FA-50 carries less than Gripen when it has the same engine and almost the same wingspan as F-16.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      training and shoting down drones

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Patrol the border and look for drones and rogue missiles. It's cheaper to use FA50 than F16 for stuff like that.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >what do poles gonna with these
      please learn English, moron

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >SAAAAR PLS REDEEM YOUR THOUGHT TEJAS SUPERIOR SAAAARRRR!!

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It can carry ASSRAAMS

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    We should have just bought some cessans and install sidewinders on them, same fricking value. Until they get AMRAAMs integrated these are fricking worthless as anything else other than trainer.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Polack here

    The FA-50 is a shitshow and they are all as of April 2024 grounded due to legal issues with the catapult. They are unarmed - the plane can't carry AIM-9X Sidewinder and asiatics are asking insane price to modify them to carry it. There are massive training issues. There is nowhere to properly service them.

    Basically the much touted PIS-led military procurement effort is a complete disaster and was basically done to secure them an election win.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >polack here
      świetna historia stary

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        asshurt kachist has arrived

        Let me guess, Onet told you that?

        MOD confirmed it.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          May I see it?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            https://www.gazetaprawna.pl/wiadomosci/kraj/artykuly/9487725,uziemienie-samolotow-fa-50-kosiniak-kamysz-komentuje-doniesienia-medi.html

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Have you even read that article?

              • 4 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                He didn't because he's a kraut tourist larping as a polack.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Let me guess, Onet told you that?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >asiatics are asking insane price to modify them to carry it
      Those prices are not insane (I heard ~$300M for AIM-120 and AESA radar), that's just how much weapon integration costs. The problem is neither Korea nor many export customers are interested in block 20 variant and Poland would have to cover most of the cost

      https://i.imgur.com/qsvfdZp.png

      >Once they get F-16V radars
      When is that happening?

      several years after the R&D gets funded, 2025-2027 soonest

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