AKs aren’t outdated or even all that hard to modernize it’s just that the countries that use them are too poor or corrupt to properly modernize them. I.e the early AK12 which turned out horribly because the Russian MOD flat out ignored Kalashnikov’s suggestions and cheapened out on having a half decent hand guard
How come there's still no bolt hold open after all these decades later when Czechs did it?
Even the frogs and germs went to an AR clone. The chinks did an HK416 clone with Chinese characteristics. Russians are too fricking proud and dumb.
I never said AKs are the greatest rifle ever designed just that the fudd lore that they’re outdated and useless is wrong
morons also say any handguns like the usp is outdated because it doesn't have a light rail when we have adapters and such, and all the while they're using a glock which is was made around the same time in the early 90s
as if devices that still fire projectiles are outmoded... the absolute state anon
>The chinks did an HK416 clone with Chinese characteristics
It's a bit more complicated in how they rip off enough of everything to the point where it's hard to say what.
no bolt hold open is not that big of a deal, a lot of European countries specially didn’t want BHO’s because it would allow for dirt to get in
Even the SVD has BHO. Imagine getting shot because you don't know your mags empty.
“Imagine getting shot because you don’t know your mag is empty” “Wonder why my gun isn’t firing, is it cause my mag’s empty? Nah that’s impossible”
>bylat i shoot you
*click*
>oh nyet mag empty
*sound of reload alerts enemy*
*get shot*
>bylACK
Oh right that chink SKS thing had BHO
why is the AK shooter alone in this hypothetical?
Because anon thinks irl is cod
Surely, having already fired most of a magazine would be indication enough that its time to reload?
You some kinda thirdie or something? How is BHO bad when it saves lives and makes reloading faster?
Are YOU a thirdie? Nobody fires until the gun goes click, you do administrative reloads whenever you're about to expose yourself, so you've always got a full mag on tap. Thats just standard shit.
I’ve watched probably 10000 videos of people firing until it goes click in the past 2 years. You are so dumb.
this post reeks of noguns CoDkiddie talking shit using shit he read on the internet
>one post advocates using the whole mag without reloading, as if you had an ammo counter in the corner of your screen telling you how much you have left
>the other guy saying you reload whenever youve fired a lot is a cod kiddie
Are you sure? If Ukrainians are seriously charging into rooms with nearly empty guns instead of reloading beforehand, that may explain the current stalemate.
NTA but there's places which teach reloading whenever you can to ensure you're always loaded up. It helps that magazines aren't infinite and you retain the old magazine to refill.
you have to remember that not everyone who uses guns does so because they have an affinity for them or anything of that sort
most people who are armed don't have a clue as to what they're doing even as they're doing it, most shooters will need multiple aids
if the gun stop shooting, it's most likely empty. unless you're expecting regular malfunctions, but why would do that?
>because it would allow for dirt to get in
Sounds moronic. That shouldn't be a problem while you're in a shooting position and shooting, and if you don't want that to happen you can just close the bolt.
>Nice to have if they're native to the design, but otherwise not worth investment.
Not that difficult to add. The M64 had it
yeah but it was kinda persnickety and in a bad place, in terms of that there isn't really anything accomplished by a bad BHO that can't be done with a magazine hold open
Yes, that's basically all true. But its kind of a pointless thought exercise, because the only countries that still use them are bent as frick and they aren't going to stop being bent as frick, so the circumstances where a properly modernized AK is mass issued without corruption or cost cutting will never arise. Closest youll get is the ACE, I dont see any modern Izhmash prototype ever taking off.
BHOs and by extension speed reloads are a flatrange meme. Nice to have if they're native to the design, but otherwise not worth investment.
>muh bolt hold
you sound like a glocktard who can't operate a handgun with more than 1 button
or are you a weakling child who can't charge a rifle?
So like every HK weapon until the 416.
BHO was typically an american thing until everyone else starting making guns based off of the AR design and features
Yeah there's a reason HK adopted it in the 1990's (and earlier with BHO MP5 and UMP) prototypes with the G36, because it's an objectively good thing to have.
The Yugos had an AK with a BHO but did away with it due to not wanting the extra complexity. I guess it comes down to what the user wants vs what the factory and armorer want to install/fix. They still use BHO mags that drop the bolt when removed, seems like they just wanted the empty indication and that's more simply achieved by using BHO mags.
My take is post cold war and the creation of affordable and inexpensive optics and the Russians switching to 5.45 there is no point to using a 5.45 AK over some form of 5.56 Ar platform the AR is easier to customize and standardize as a platform and 5.45 offers nothing better than 5.56 unless you are going to flex petantic autism over some detail that does not really matter.
>AKs aren’t outdated or even all that hard to modernize it’s just that the countries that use them are too poor or corrupt to properly modernize them
consumer AR-15s are $400 now. nation states can get new military grade ARs for less than it would cost to modernize their AKs or order new ones of comparable quality to an AR.
>implying military procurement prices are the same as consumer prices
homie the army has been getting m4s for less than 700 dollars for the last 20 years
I say this as a die hard AKgay but the AK platform is definitely obsolete compared to any other service rifle currently in use.
Thanks to CNC machining, any AR-ish platform just inherently easier to manufacture, can be made to much tighter tolerances (which means better accuracy), and they don't require the specialized and extremely expensive to set up die forging and stamping facilities that AKs require.
At the military armorer level it's significantly harder to replace the barrel on an AK, and the looser tolerances mean that replacement parts often require hand fitting.
Any solution to have a top picatinny rail that doesn't lose zero requires weird bullshit like the cantilever arms on the Zenit B33/B10 combo, or the very expensive SAG chassis system which has to be CNC machined from an aluminum extrusion.
While these solutions work, they add extra weight and manufacturing complexity compared to virtually any other rifle where picatinny slots can just be milled out of the top of an aluminum receiver.
All these things hardly make the AK unusable, but yes it is outdated.
It just doesn't make sense sinking tons of resources to modernize a platform that has these flaws baked into the very core of its design unless you are in some Slavic shithole nation that made the AK a symbol of national importance.
On the individual US consoooomer level you can build an AK from a parts kit that can hold good accuracy and is able to mount pic optics and accessories using one of those solutions I mentioned previously, but doing so is gonna be leagues more expensive than just buying a middle of the road AR, and you'll end up with a heavier gun.
Plus you'll have to deal with either the zero availability of 5.45, the garbage accuracy of Wolf/Tula/Turkshit 7.62x39, or the hellscape of finding and fitting 5.56 AK magazines that your gun will like.
Im sick and tired of everyone using obsolete incorrectly.
A martini henry is obsolete.
An AK is not.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/STV_rifle
>AKs aren’t outdated or even all that hard to modernize
If they aren't outdated why would they need to be modernized?
Do Galils count as AKs or Valmets?
AKs are outdated because they still have the working bits on the outside instead of the inside