Ak redpill thread

Yo dudes. I need ya'll to redpill my ass on AK's. I hear so many opinions. Pic related is an American made palmetto ak. I've ehard amazing things. Then I hear so many ak fanbois say "No only Norincos are best. No only yugos are best. No only Russians, Bulgarians, etc, are best AVOID AMERICAN" blah blah blah.

Is the Galil the best? What about the CZ bren in 7.62x39? What about the BRN-180 in 7.62x39? What if I pimp out my sks and make it take Ak mags?

Bestow your greatest knowledge upon me frens.

  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Fuck ya mudda

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The most expensive in production AKs currently at best as good as mid-low tier ARs.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is why I'm afraid to buy one. The value factor just isn't there unless you're in the frozen tundra

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Define "good"

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The Galil Ace is objectively the best and it's also one of the best values out there. People just cope and see the because of antisemitism and muh polymer but it's 100% just the facts better than anything else out there.

    People cope so hard they call it not an AK. As for the actual "not AK" Kalashnikov inspired guns out there, the XCR-L is real nice for a Gucci gat and so is the 553 if you just want to flex.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >suggests garden gnome trash

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >People just cope and see the because of antisemitism and muh polymer
        Proving his point.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I won't buy it becuase i'm antisemitic. What about it

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I hear this alot but no one says why. Redpill me, anon.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        not him but i have a galil. Left side charging handle is best place to put one and it has a spring loaded dust cover to keep debris out. The handguard is not attached to the barrel so putting a load on it from a barricade or something doesnt affect POI. Safety located on both sides, the left side one is right by your thumb which is great, right side is on the reciever kind of where a typical ak has it.
        theres probably more but thats what ive noticed kicks ass when shooting mine. death to israel tho

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Most well informed and based post. Thank you anon. Death to Israel.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        safety on both sides, charging handle on the left side so you don't have to do the reach-under or reach-over, optics-ready rail on dust cover, which is fitted tightly enough that it's actually useful for optics, and the handguard doesn't touch the barrel so it's more consistently accurate, and the FNC-style dust cover helps keep crud out, and a much better trigger copied from their sniper rifle.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OP, absolutely check this article first to see how bad shit can get:
    https://thinlineweapons.com/wiki/index.php/USA_Made_Issues

    Then you check the buyer's guides.
    https://thinlineweapons.com/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >No only Norincos are best

    Nobody says this, not even chinks.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Literally had an ak guy tell me this. Literally told me child slave labor allowed the tiny hands of chink kids to get in their and polish everything

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It really depends on the clientele. The Norinco AKs sold the US are probably the best AKs ever made by Norinco, specially when compared to the ones sold to African countries.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The ones we get in Europe are bottom of the barrel cheapest AKs you can buy. They're new productions though, not oldschool Norincos so idk. The best AKs for the money are polish-made, WBP and Saigas.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Saigas being russian-made of course not polish. WBPs are polish.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah they do. Of all the various combloc AKs the SADF and RSF captured in their respective bushwars, the type 56s were consistently held in the highest regard. Idk what relation type56s have to the polytech AKs we got here, but they were evidently pretty good at one point.

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they're all bad in different ways. just buy a cheap one and get your AK fix.

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >What about the CZ bren in 7.62x39?
    It had reliability issues on release that were supposedly linked to its magazine. I don't know if these have been fixed cause I haven't seen anyone talk about them since release. Even the Youtube shills had issues with theirs.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It was the gas system. They have a regulator plug now, both OEM and 3rd party.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes, you're right. I had my balls mixed.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is the rifle worth the money? It looks amazing. I know it's galil money but I gotta wonder

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How much do you want a modern designed carbine in 7.62x39 with last round BHO?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Their lowers disintegrated, bolts sheared extractors, pencil barrels over heated, and it's been discontinued

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That's just your head-canon. CZ Europe and CZ USA are still marketing them.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They wither discontinued them, or they are going to stop importing them to the US.
          CZ announced it will stop import or discontinued the vast majority if their product line in 2nd or 3rd quarter 2023.

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You're going to be into $2.5-3k territory with a Bren in 7.62 by the time you source a normal size rail and mags, assuming you can find any of the latter. I've shot Wasr's, Galils, and I own a Bulgy. They're all fine, they run well, they'll hold a fist size group off a bunny ear bag with something other than their notch sights. The Galil was the nicest and most accurate with higher quality ammo, just too but expensive to me for a knock around gun. I can't speak to Palmetto's recent offerings, but I'm optimistic.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Thank you for the info anon. What's your best shooting experience?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Top was letting my pops shoot it, telling him it was basically a light loaded .30-30. He racked the bolt every shot like a straight pull on the first mag. He figured it out though, and then he had me take a pic with him holding it overhead because Red Dawn.

        2nd best was seeing my brother-in-laws wife get grossed out when he canoed a gopher's head off his back deck at 40y right at dusk and she leanred what pink mist means.

        My least favorite was learning that, as a lefty, you better be really fucking careful how high you put your thumb on a magwell supported grip. That reciprocating charging handle can rip off a thumbnail.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          > My least favorite was learning that, as a lefty, you better be really fucking careful how high you put your thumb on a magwell supported grip. That reciprocating charging handle can rip off a thumbnail.
          I learned that the hard way after I rammed a case on the charging handle and split the fuck out of my thumb from the case mouth

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've heard good things for a PSA AK for a budget gun. Next best buy is a ZPAP/Yugo, or if you can get a good Russian brand. One thing everyone can agree on is never century.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Zastava absolutely sucks ass, it's worse than PSA

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Zastava. Zastava. Zastava. All other shills are drug addicts high as fuck off copium.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Appreciate it anon. Please explain.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Looks sexy. Quality vs price is decent. Parts available. I own a vepr and almost prefer my Zaddy. I have a m90, m92 and a m70.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well with zastava, you only get the most premium of buttersteel, the bolt will beat itself into an unusable mushroom.
        Then the brilliant Serbian made the reciver and handgiard out of spec, so you have to get special furniture for it.
        And lastly, the Serbians in their infinite wisdom are trying that whole ethnic genocide thing again, so they will probably be banned from importing

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Out of spec? You mean made them better than original design. I consider it a traditional innovation. Your prolly gonna bitch about the weight. Lift weights. They turned a pick-up into a tank. Eat shit cum chaser.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Reminder that going to the gym will not make you stop being an incel

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              literally me

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You mom loves my gains.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Yeah, you're every woman's wet dream: a balding angry farsighted manlet who exclusively reads Warhammer 40k paperbacks and smells like BO

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Bro I don't smell like BO. I use Axe.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >/PrepHole/ tier posting
              Pathetic

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Don't spend a bunch of time, energy, and money trying to fix the wrong thing
                They don't hate you because you're skinnyfat, they hate you because you're creepy and are perpetually angry about imaginary villains

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        1. Yugos are made in a factory that has been making AKs for military use for at least 40 years. Zastava itself has been in business for over 100 years.

        2. Zastava is one of the more affordable and quality AKs on the market in the US and can compete with the famed WASR in terms of said quality and price.

        3. The Yugo pattern receiver and parts are thicker, stronger, and more durable than normal AKs because the Serbs know best.

        4. Zastava is one of the only companies importing worthwhile 5.56 AK47s into the US which even WASR wont bother with anymore.

        5. The Yugo pattern has proprietary handguards and stocks that are bigger and have more hand space/length of pull for big American men. Yugo hanguards also have one extra cooling vent for superior airflow.

        6. Zastava offers a variety of rifle length and pistol size AKs for prices below $1000.

        7. The Zastava M92 (pic related) is the only viable, affordable, AKS74u alternative on the US market and is very popular.

        Only Cugir with their WASR 10 rifle and Zastava with their rifles and pistols are the only viable AK47s on the US market right now. Arsenal is too expensive for the quality you get, commercial companies like WBP demonstrate potential but have no reputation unlike Zastava, and American AK builders are too cheap and lazy to train a skilled enough workforce to rivet AK47s together for 8 hours a day without terrible swings in quality control.

        The people who say that Zastava has "butter steel" are liars and slanderers who never substantiate their claims, just ask them for proof and you will see yourself that they are liars.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >compete with the famed WASR in terms of said quality
          Obvious bait

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Alternatively you could argue that serbian military arms are low quality even for the eastern bloc, that they had to reverse engineer and imitate the AK while bringing nothing new and useful to the design, and that their imports were infamously low quality without even chromed barrels before the current zpap series.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Then go buy some yugo from 30 years ago and cry about it or buy one from current zastava and be happy as fuck.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yugos are literally thicker because the metal is too weak to be strong enough to hold up with just a 1mm thin receiver. It's butter steel that's worse than PSA's.

          Alternatively you could argue that serbian military arms are low quality even for the eastern bloc, that they had to reverse engineer and imitate the AK while bringing nothing new and useful to the design, and that their imports were infamously low quality without even chromed barrels before the current zpap series.

          Zastava JUST started chrome lining barrels. You need to look into Chrome lining as a process to understand why this is concerning. They started doing it specifically to sell more units to the American market, they probably don't give a shit how accurate the barrels turn out so long as they're shiny and shut American consoomers up. They say chrome is always less accurate than a steel barrel, but that's BS. A shittily made steel barrel can be beat by a quality chrome lined barrel. There are ways to fuck up a steel or nitride barrel in the same way a chrome lined barrel can easily be fucked up. Serbs are not exactly known for their skills in metallurgy, these chrome lined barrels they just started making are probably some of the worst in the world. I'd look up plenty of accuracy tests before pulling the trigger on one.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The receiver is 1.5 mm because they copied the Rpk receiver so they had enough meat to survive shooting rifle grenades.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Zastava
          Looks like a shop in the back alley of Darra

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            Anonymous
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              Anonymous
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                Anonymous
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                Anonymous
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                Anonymous
              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Confirmed equal opportunity employer.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                >he's never hit an AK with a ball peen hammer
                Confirmed noguns

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's my dad. He said your all gays and should face the wall now.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              You know that you don't feel very well when you're not rested.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Looks like some of the factories I've worked in. They made truck parts though

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          https://dahlonegaarmory.com/product/cent-wasr-3-romanian-ak-5.56-16-30rd-556-ak-mag-1

          Wasr 3s in 5.56 are literally being imported and sold commercially right now

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >wasr
            >$1,125.79

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Their isn't a single import that is trash. Value per dollar can be fucking wack though.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        PSA is coming around the corner but they still have leaps to go before they ever move up in tier.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I've ehard nothing hut amazing things about psa. Heard their AK's rival top tier shit. Only complaints is accuracy. But those complaints are minimal

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Heard their AK's rival top tier shit.
            lmao, if you're gonna shill, at least be more subtle

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              If you're gonna be a gay, at least take some meds for aids.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                I will after I fuck your dad in the ass tonight.

              • 2 weeks ago
                Anonymous

                Thanks for admitting you're a gay lol dumbass.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >proprietary parts and heavier rifle for no fucking reason

      NGMI, just buy a WBP Jack.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I own a Norinco and a ZPAP 92 SBR, both of which have performed flawlessly in a bunch of AK 2 gun matches. That said, probably the best you can do right now is a Galil ACE, and I say that as a guy who hopes for the destruction of the illegal apartheid state of Israel.

    Don't count PSA or KUSA out either. Both are breddy gud no matter what the haters say. Also, WASR are ugly as sin but they are worth the asking price in this market.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Get an AR in 300blk
    You can get a quality AR for cheaper than a shit AK, and 300blk is superior

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      300blk. A round for suppressors. Yeah OP spend another 1000 to make use of your meme round.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >A round for suppressors.
        shut the fuck up.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          People who shoot 300blk without a suppressor are literal fucking retards.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Its supers are very similar to 7.62 for like 3x the price, and they both do well in short barrels. There's no fucking point to go for 300blk if you aren't going to suppress it. Just because you can find a psa AR for $500 in 300blk doesn't mean shit when you'll be spending much more than the difference on ammo.

            x39 is 33cpr for steelcase 124gr
            300blk is 51cpr for brass 147

            you also have ONE choice for hollow point x39 and its dogshit, inaccurate wolf HPs. there are fewer and fewer reasons to choose x39 over 300blk

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              X39 for magdumping into trash
              300blk for literally anything else

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              Hornady sells 7.62x39 hollow points. They don't suck either.

            • 2 weeks ago
              ALL FIELDS

              >hollow points
              for what purpose

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >you also have ONE choice for hollow point x39 and its dogshit, inaccurate wolf HPs.
              Wrong. Those are just the poorfag bulk hollowpoints. Hornady and Underwood make boutique hunting/defensive 7.62x39 ammo.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >people who shoot 7.62 125gr bullets at 2300 fps
            😐
            >people who shoot 7.62 123gr bullets at 2350fps
            :0

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Its supers are very similar to 7.62 for like 3x the price, and they both do well in short barrels. There's no fucking point to go for 300blk if you aren't going to suppress it. Just because you can find a psa AR for $500 in 300blk doesn't mean shit when you'll be spending much more than the difference on ammo.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's not even 50% more expensive, and 300bonis much easier and cheaper to reload, as well as having hundreds more bullets options. And dozens more fsctory options, including high performance premium bullets, and can run suppressed and short, unlike x39

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >not realizing supers are are basically the same as 7.62x39

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Wait are people this retarded or are slavbos this afraid of 300bo?

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Buy a WASR from the /Akg/ master list. I got mine for like 700bucks runs like a dream

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Speaking of /akg/, last time I checked on them they were all obsessed with wbp foxes and jacks as the best import now. The polish guns do look nice for decent prices, at least by today's standards. The fox has that retarded looking but potentially useful rear trunnion rail, and the jack is a more standard akm.

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Pic related: best rifle ever made

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Why is this better than modern versions?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A E S T H E T I C
        Bipod
        Carry handle
        Bottle opener
        Night sights
        Not made of plastic
        Waltz With Bashir was cool
        I hate new things

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Zastava, Norinco, Arsenal, etc… are good AKs

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What maks an ak good? No one explains this. I know what makes an ar good. The components. The bolt, trigger, the twist, barrel profile, muzzle attachment, captured buffer, optic etc. A Basel level ar can be pined out with good components and it'll be God tier. No one explains what it takes to make an ak a good ak.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It just werks. If you want an in-depth explanation, just look it up and not waists anyone’s time

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          The more I come here for answers the more I realize everyone here is a fucking absolute negative IQ retard. Eat shit and make it a love story you absolute fucking morons. Thought I could rely on you schitzos for one fucking thing.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Soul

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        My WASR went for at least 400 rounds without cleaning and shot just fine.
        Meanwhile a US made Riley AK cant shoot 3 mags with jamming like a motherfucker

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why the fuck do you own a Riley? Do you not know how to use Google?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >chud magazines

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The biggest issue is the headspacing and metallurgy.
        On an AK if it goes out of headpsace badly it can blow up and injure (or worse) the user. Great AKs hold their headpace for tens of thousands of rounds and if you're getting to the point where it needs adjustment you're probably doing a major overhaul on the rifle anyway.
        The quality of metals matters too if parts chip away and break your gun sucks but that's not AK specific. The only other things that make a good AK are accuracy and gassing

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Also QC for rivets and making sure things like the FSB and optics dovetail mount are straight. One of the biggest benefits of milled AKs is that you don't have to worry if some retard at the factory fucked up the rivets.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Thank you anon. This was the answer I was looking for all along. I appreciate you. Seems like AK's are a bitch to tune with the gas. Also seems like their triggers and accuracy are generally shit. I have an sks Bubba project I'm working on. Guy says he can make it take standard ak mags for $500. I'm so tempted. I love my sks and this accurate af. No reason for me to blow $1700 on a Gucci ak that won't even have all the modern features I want.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Seems like AK's are a bitch to tune with the gas. Also seems like their triggers and accuracy are generally shit.
            There are aftermarket pistons and triggers now that are practically drop-in parts.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Zastava is a moron gun

  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Here's the real redpill from someone who's been watching the AK market since like 2008.

    >idk about chinkshit, this was before my time so I can't comment.
    >PSAs are probably the best option at the moment, they're cheap enough and the quality is now decent enough, plus you have active customer support here in the US if something is wrong with it
    >Romanian and Serbian AKs have ALWAYS. BEEN. SHIT. their quality level has come up quite a bit, but they're still so cobbled together they hurt to even look at. They have the proven longevity factor going for them, meaning we know they'll last decades whereas we don't know if PSAs will yet because they haven't been around for decades. These options are overpriced for what they are though.
    >Polish AKs are being seriously overlooked as a good current import option that's not too expensive
    >Saigas are still the best, if you can find an un-bubba's one for sale around $2,000 go for it, here's why:
    >Bulgarshit AKs are still around $2,000 as well, and Bulgarshit has always been a meme. They're a shithole country on the same tier of trash as Romania and Serbia, their rifles are put together like shit and spray painted, and they're not even AK100 pattern anymore since Izhmash sued Arsenal Bulgaria for stealing their rifle specs, so they switched up the design. Price and quality considered these are one of the most pointless options to get when you can get a real AK100 pattern Saiga that price. If you're a true enthusiast and want the AK to be your one dependable rifle, get the real thing and be done with it, they really aren't that expensive since the country was flooded with them for cheap ~10 years ago.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Special notes:
      Don't get an SGL21 Saiga for $5,000+, those are joomers trying to screw you. I'm sitting on an Atlantic converted Saiga with less than 100 rounds through it that I'd take $2k for, that's a reasonable price to sell it for considering other "high end" AKs are just a hair under that, and high end VZ58s (we're seriously overlooking these too, they're awesome and around the price of AKs now). Don't bother with Veprs, Zastavas, and Arsenal milled receivers because you're going to run into issues with furniture or stock adapters you might want. Keep it standard platform. PSA even made a huge improvement by making the rear stock tangs removable so we no longer have to chop them off to mount folding stocks. I hope PSA continues to make improvements until they're better than Russian AKs. Fat chance though, their longevity is shit and that's a major factor to consider with AKs, you want it to last multiple lifetimes so you can hand it down. PSAs are proven to beat themselves to shit due to being made of soft metal and not put together straight so parts slam into each other.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Opinion on hungarian models?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I haven't handled one so I won't comment. I should specify these are all AKs I've personally handled. There's a noticeable difference in quality when it comes to the Saigas. Feels solid and the action is smooth. Arsenals feel hollow and the actions are often off from being true. Romanian and Serbian actions are laughably rough, the fitment is shit and the finish is diarrhea. The Serbs are also extremely heavy. I had a stockless PAP pistol that was noticeably heavier than my full length Saiga with a metal tube stock. No mags fit in that gun without filing either, which I've heard is an issue with Romanians as well.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Appreciate the honest response. Only ever owned a saiga but been browsing parts kits. Feels like I'm much too late to the game as far as cost is concerned.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's from Jim Fuller's interview. Should have posted the vid as well.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Bulgarshit AKs are still around $2,000 as well
      Fucking what? These were less than $900 back in 2014.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They're fun to shoot, but not that much fun, suck to suppress a fuck ton, worse than my FAL, considering the threads are always fucked on AKs, heavy, but that's whatever.

    Get a galil if you want one, it's at least decently made.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you missed the last boat, which was the 900 dollar slr107r.
    Then financially, there is no reason to buy an ak from and brand right now.
    Unless you can get a sub 1k arsenal or sub 700 dollar wasr.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >$900 + tax + shipping + transfer for a fucking spray painted Bulgarshit knock-off of an AK100
      >$700 + everything else for a fucking Romashit dog turd

      Oh boy someone call up Kazakhstan I'd like to pay $10,000 for their version of the AK? Wait does Nigeria make one? I must satiate my urge to overpay for trash.

      At this point everyone should just buy PSA until these greedy like importers are forced to bring their prices down. Ridiculous you kids are paying this much when that's got to be what you have left over from like 4 paychecks.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        All bow to the omnipotent PSA overlords who are singlehandedly saving the firearm industry.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Every American should own a gun
          PSA makes guns that are affordable, but not trash
          PSA are heroes

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You missed my point. The prices I mentioned are what I personally put as the very top of what an ak should cost.
        PSA has impressed me with how far they have come.
        So much so that I've joined the JAKL open beta.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    so...i actually used to build AK's...the galil ace gen 1 is the one i personally want after building them. RAK47's bored me. ive seen everything from full russian guns to PSA. in the end i personally like the ace. but ill do a quick tldr
    >American market for AK isnt good
    >ace is nice but will catch flak
    >jim fuller AK if you want da gucci
    >psa will work...most of the time
    >shit thats been stored for years and imported is really iffy.
    >there is no real answer that is a "russian" Ak
    >valmet

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The Galil ace is the gayest "AK" on the market. If I wanted a plastic receiver I'd get a Nerf. Nothing about plastic screams AK, it's just a different rifle concept at that point. If you want all those pointless features like boolt hoold oopen, boolt release, etc then get a VZ. They're also lighter and more accurate.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ace doesn't use a plastic receiver. It uses a plastic magwell and only on the variant no one buys.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Why do you lie when some other garden gnome shill posted one right below you proving you wrong? It's the entire lower receiver.

          https://i.imgur.com/hFprIdD.jpg

          >Is the Galil the best? What about the CZ bren in 7.62x39? What about the BRN-180 in 7.62x39? What if I pimp out my sks and make it take Ak mags?
          Galil ACE is the best AK you can buy on the primary market right now, even though I like the Gen 1 better than the Gen 2. Milled Arsenals are also good, but overpriced. The stamped AKs from Zastava, WPB, etc. are also not bad, but they lack the modern features of the IWI Galil ACE and Arsenal SAM7SF.

          All that being said, now is a terrible time to buy an AK. Steelcase 7.62x39 is more expensive than 5.56 brasscase right now according to Ammoseek. You missed the boat and should wait for the market to recover from Biden's ammo ban if it ever does.

          Galil Ace is not an AK and it's not good. It doesn't do anything better than the AK. If you want the best not-an-AK platform it's hands down the VZ58. You can put your gay thumb selectors and bolt releases on it, and it's actually lighter and more accurate. It does thongs better than the AK at least and there's no fucking plastic critical components (except the trigger on the CSA model but that's for import reasons, swap it out).

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Galil Ace is not an AK and it's not good
            I'm impressed how you manage to be retarded on the internet without a hint of shame. Bravo anon.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >AK
            >lower receiver
            retard
            >Galil Ace is not an AK and it's not good. It doesn't do anything better than the AK.
            It is an AK and it has ambi selector, left-side charging, sealed internals, and LRBHO on the 5.56 versions. It comes factory with upgrades you would normally have to go to the aftermarket for other rifles like rails, ergo grip, and a folding stock. It has a CHF CL barrel with concentric threads and a machined receiver. It's the best AK you can buy off the rack hands down.
            >If you want the best not-an-AK platform it's hands down the VZ58.
            You can't even mount a scope on those things since it ejects directly upward.

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              It is NOT an AK and it DOES have a plastic lower receiver, which it has because it's not a fucking AK. It's not Kalashnikov pattern, it's not AKM pattern, it's not AK100 pattern, it is its own proprietary pattern you fucking dimbecile. It has zero commonality with the AK pattern just like the old Galil, which is not an AK due to zero parts commonality.

              VZ has left side charging option as well, and lrbho on 7.62x39 versions. It's more accurate than your Galil, Shlomo. I'm sorry you get paid to shill such a terrible gun. That's got to be the worst option discussed ITT, AK dudes do not want fucking plastic on their guns aside from furniture.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you have to be absolutely smoking crack when your look at everything manufactured by countries like russia, poland, Bulgaria, Serbia and all these other backwater slavic shitholes that are all garbage. yet somehow even though they suck unbelievable amounts of dick making literally any other mass manufactured product somehow they figured out how to make great guns for decades. no fuckin shot you have to be smoking some serious marxist pole to have fallen for that horseshit.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      A gun is not the same as a TV.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you're right it's harder because a gun requires extremely tight tomatoes to hold 45000-62000psi of peak pressure, and a consistent lockup so that the chambered round behaves the same shot to shot. no fuckin way these retards can't screw together something as loose as a car but they can precisely manufacture a great gun.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ...bro they had planes, could shoot a man into space, etc. Don't fall for free market Mises propaganda that USSR couldn't do a single thing right. IIRC from what I'm hearing Soviet fridges for example could work for a very long time.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            they're still working to this dame, same with soviet "energia" food processors

            • 2 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              day*

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Russia has planes, trains, and automobiles, anon. T-72s still fuck shit up on the regular, on either side of the current conflict. And they do it running thousands of RPMs for hours at a time, multiple days per week. Not even a 240b can match that run time.

          As for guns being more "complicated" than your television, which part are we talking about? Older cathode ray tubes, or newer LED tech that digitally covers 16,700,000 colors (not even remotely close to the full human eye gamut). Or did you mean the part where it transports dozens and dozens of image, with audio, per second into digital EM radiation or flickering electrical signals that can be transported across space?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >no fuckin way these retards can't screw together something as loose as a car but they can precisely manufacture a great gun.
          >Russians can't build things because uhh uhh they just can't okay
          Unfuck yourself idiot

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Go jack off with your aluminum piece of shit. AKs are designed to be robust and fool proof like tanks. GayRs are designed to be finicky yet precise like airplanes. Go figure that one was made by a tank engineer and one by a plane engineer. Pick which qualities you prefer.

      So are PSAK47's good or not? You retards are as contradictory as women in this thread.

      They're fine, just fine. The only major issue I've seen is that the internals aren't pretty after several thousand rounds, they get beat up internally, the rear of the BCG mushrooms. Probably a soft metal issue. They're not going to blow up but this will affect very long term longevity. It's about the only issue PSA AKs still have so hopefully they fix it by using a higher grade of metal.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        sounds like you have neither gun. cope harder. "muh durability" is full of shit

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There's a couple reviews I've seen where the guy opens up his PSA after 2000 rounds or so and the inside is all beat up. The BCG face slams into the barrel face and marrs the metal, the rear tab of the BCG mushrooms early on from hitting the back of the receiver. These are the newest gen models and they still have that issue.

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Avoid american was the fault of century arms manufactured ak's, keyword manufactured their imports are and were fine but their ras47 and c39 the shit they make sucks and I.O. thankfully the latter doesnt really exist anymore. Psa is fine, great even toolcraft trunnions and bolts fn chf chrome lined barrels, their lineage comes from psa having bought out and absorbed ddi the ak company that started the swing into hey american ak getting good etc. Wasrs are routinely sub 800 now get one or get a psa and dont let any idiot tell you some hullshit oh and also kusa actually does in fact suck thats another L for american ak's. Go on and god help me, reddit r/ak47 and you'll actually learn more than you can from this place. This place is not a real forum its 99 percent shitposting.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So are PSAK47's good or not? You retards are as contradictory as women in this thread.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The gen 3 and up are g2g. Only unknown is how long before they get shot out. An import will probably last longer.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This is why i haven't got an ak. So many idiots have no fucking clue what they're talking about

  25. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Is the Galil the best? What about the CZ bren in 7.62x39? What about the BRN-180 in 7.62x39? What if I pimp out my sks and make it take Ak mags?
    Galil ACE is the best AK you can buy on the primary market right now, even though I like the Gen 1 better than the Gen 2. Milled Arsenals are also good, but overpriced. The stamped AKs from Zastava, WPB, etc. are also not bad, but they lack the modern features of the IWI Galil ACE and Arsenal SAM7SF.

    All that being said, now is a terrible time to buy an AK. Steelcase 7.62x39 is more expensive than 5.56 brasscase right now according to Ammoseek. You missed the boat and should wait for the market to recover from Biden's ammo ban if it ever does.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Indeed. Makes no logical sense to get one. Might as well just pimp out my AR's and train.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        5.56 AKs are becoming more popular now, but I wouldn't bother with a 7.62x39 AK right now unless the ammo situation improves. Supposedly KUSA and PSA are working on providing ammo now, but I think it's going to take a while to fill the void left by Russian ammo. It might be another year or two before steelcase 7.62x39 becomes cheap again.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          KUSA is selling steel case at 35-40 cents per round. No idea about the quality.

  26. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  27. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sks has bolt hold open
    Using AK mags disables this
    "Niet, rifle is fine!"
    Do not fudd your SKS in that way

    The best ak style rifle is the type-81
    >B-but it's Chinese
    Cope
    Designed specifically to out perform and replace the ak-47
    >B-but the folding stock versions are bent!
    They're still perfectly accurate without a scope, the bend only causes issue when applying a scope
    The Chinese military figured somebody using a folding stock isn't going to care about optics and made the folding stock version as cheap as possible
    Buy the solid stock version and buy a folding stock seperate if that's so important to you

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What a retarded post
      Everything this guy says, do the opposite

  28. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The vz is a shitty cuck rifle bought exclusively by coping retards
    Every single person who owns one is a worthless gay with meaningless, irrelevant opinions

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's am excellent and highly overlooked rifle. You're likely going to get one once the next AWB takes place. You can easily swap the mag release to a blank block without a release tab and load it from the top. These will be very popular once President Harris is in office.

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