I don't understand the use of starfighters when laser weapons are common. it should be easy to target and shoot the fighters which are destroyed in a single hit.
also, the Space Above & Beyond hammerheads were kino
>Space Above & Beyond >Yes, we'll train you for years to be a hot shot pilot flying an extremely complicated space fighters >Oh you're done training, good. Now here's a rifle and shovel, now go dig a fox hole and prepare to face enemy infantry assault. >What are you b***hing about? Couple of weeks in trenches then maybe we'll let you fly space fighter again. For couple of missions at least.
Kinda moronic but kinda based too seeing fighter jocks be occasionally put through verdun, keeps them humble.
Maybe this smug c**t could have survived if he had some previous experience of facing tens of thousands swarming bugs armed with a rifle and elan instead of just zooming around in spaceships being smug c**t.
He was a based flyboy
wienery and arrogant, but fought a private while putting aside his rank and then told bigbug to go frick itself and spat in its face
Carmen however, is an irredeemable prostitute
Hilariously, he would have survived if he's just retained the knife. He handed it to Ibanaz and she survived because she cut the brain bug's sucker.
He simped, and paid the price for it.
I really wish they'd remake the movie using the badass power armor depicted in the books (and get writers and directors who actually like the source material).
>really wish they'd remake the movie using the badass power armor depicted in the books
Or just go og with picrel.
4 months ago
Anonymous
that's one of my favorite books. a GOOD adaptation would be kino
4 months ago
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>A forever war movie adaption >In the current year
You know and I know that would be fricking horrible.
God, I loved that book. Such epic space opera. >interstellar war bootcamp >let's train on Pluto ...because, errr dark >absolutely worthless training except to kill the morons
Actually good training. Next most reread was Mote in God's Eye.
4 months ago
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>Mote in God's Eye.
That's probably my favorite of the Niven/Pournelle books.
4 months ago
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>>let's train on Pluto ...because, errr dark
Charon actually, and IIRC the reason was that they expected that all conflict with the Taurens would be on dwarf planetoids orbiting collapsers, which charon was for our star system, so they assumed conditions would be the same for all of them.
4 months ago
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>Charon actually, >so they assumed conditions would be the same for all of them.
Thx, it's been literal decades since my last reread.
4 months ago
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>Charon actually, >so they assumed conditions would be the same for all of them.
Thx, it's been literal decades since my last reread.
Collapser stars are the warpgates in the book. They're "cold" neutron stars that don't give off much energy. They're occupying planets in collapser systems and such planets are very cold because very little sunlight.
Collapsers are FTL chokepoints.
4 months ago
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>Mote in God's Eye.
That's probably my favorite of the Niven/Pournelle books.
>Mote in God's Eye.
I still remember the "reveal" where the humans figure out the Motie's reproductive cycle. I didn't see it coming at all. It was so well done.
Footfall is fantastic too, and could probably be made easily with modern CGI.
Niven and Pournelle are the best at creating aliens with interesting psychologies. They're not just "bugs" or "monsters" they have realistic motivations based on their biology. The Motie's play nice so that they can escape. The Fithp (in Footfall) legitimately believe that invading Earth is the way to make friends with humans, because the Fithp are heard animals who only follow the strong.
Really good stuff. The puppetiers in Ring World are fantastic too.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Footfall was great too. The Michael is one of the best ships in scifi. Lucifer's Hammer was also good, and iirc it was the basis for Deep Impact
4 months ago
Anonymous
>aliens with interesting psychologies
I always liked how Nivin wrote the Puppeteers genetically manipulated the Kzinti to be less savage and the Humans to be genetically lucky.
4 months ago
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>I always liked how Nivin wrote the Puppeteers genetically manipulated the Kzinti to be less savage
This is a technically correct description of the selection pressures put on the Kzinti during the Man Kzin Wars.
4 months ago
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Forgot the pic
4 months ago
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https://i.imgur.com/s6kvqLb.jpg
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Based Motie appreciators
The final battle on the MacArthur was always fascinating to me since they end up fighting gremlins with tiny laser guns that have infested the ship, but the tone and sense of urgency feels more like the combat sequences in Aliens.
https://i.imgur.com/fkgQKDs.jpg
>really wish they'd remake the movie using the badass power armor depicted in the books
Or just go og with picrel.
A few years ago I found these books at a garage sale. I really enjoyed them, but I've never met anyone else who has heard of this author or this series.
tl;dr Berserkers are self-replicating machines whose purpose is to wipe out all life. Their origins are mysterious, but it's hinted that they were created to fight a specific war, and the AI generalized from, "kill the enemy" to "kill everyone."
That's not an uncommon theme in scifi, but these books were written in the 1960s, so they have to be among the first to depict runaway AI killing machines.
Also, like a lot of books from the '60s, the stories are generally based. Men and women are heterosexual, men are depicted as competent, and women don't have a giant chip on their shoulder.
Even better, humans are said to be the only species badass enough to actually score victories against Berserkers. That is to say, "humans are special" - another common theme in the '60s, but unheard of today.
4 months ago
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Fred is great and bezerkers are as standard as the Gordon Dickson's Dorsai series. Wait until you find Keith Lamar's Bolo series!
4 months ago
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>it's hinted that they were created to fight a specific war, and the AI generalized from, "kill the enemy" to "kill everyone." >That's not an uncommon theme in scifi,
It's the basic Kill Your Creator variation on Frankenstein.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Wings Out of Shadow is one of my favorite books, aka the red baron vs flying terminators
4 months ago
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>You... you... double GoodLife!
I really liked the story where the Berzerkers pretended there was a "control code" that would make them obedient. On the theory that "Life likes to kill itself, if we pretend to obey, they'll use us to kill each other.
4 months ago
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they also bred humans to be lucky and fiddled with a bunch of other races too
herbivores are psycho
4 months ago
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I thought the pupeteers, or someone else maybe, altered the Kzin to make them MORE agressive, don't remember for sure how their story progressed, it had something to do with making all their females non-sentient I think.
4 months ago
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I think that was medieval kzin just being moronic incels. It's been a while tho.
4 months ago
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https://i.imgur.com/4GM6X58.jpg
Forgot the pic
Man, I wanted so bad to like the Man Kzin Wars books but every story writes them to be absolute jobbers in a 1950s scooby Doo way but then the preface of the Ringworld books say the Kzin managed to conquer Human space like 3 different times and made factory farm concentration camps for people meat
4 months ago
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they also bred humans to be lucky and fiddled with a bunch of other races too
herbivores are psycho
They also destroyed the ringworld civilization by creating a bacteria that would eat their superconductors.
Think about that for a moment - the most powerful race in any of the books, the Pak, who created the most spectacular construct, the Ring, destroyed by coward horses who didn't even physically contact them (they literally figured out the superconductor tech through telescopes).
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>coward horses
I always envisioned more of an ostrich body type. Some of my first printings has meticulous etchings. Gone from my collection decades ago.
4 months ago
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The Pak died out long before, the Puppeteers just ruined the city builder's civilization, which was basically cargo cult morons colonizing planets using the Ringworld attitude jets as interstellar ships.
The Pak are an interesting study in how a superintelligent race can be less advanced because they do things like run their fusion reactors manually, because a Pak is smart enough and dedicated enough to just sit there for 10k years looking at the colour of the plasma and twiddling knobs
4 months ago
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>And where are the Pak now?
>You're looking at 'em butthole!
4 months ago
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>Mote in God's Eye.
That's probably my favorite of the Niven/Pournelle books.
[...] >Mote in God's Eye.
I still remember the "reveal" where the humans figure out the Motie's reproductive cycle. I didn't see it coming at all. It was so well done.
Footfall is fantastic too, and could probably be made easily with modern CGI.
Niven and Pournelle are the best at creating aliens with interesting psychologies. They're not just "bugs" or "monsters" they have realistic motivations based on their biology. The Motie's play nice so that they can escape. The Fithp (in Footfall) legitimately believe that invading Earth is the way to make friends with humans, because the Fithp are heard animals who only follow the strong.
Really good stuff. The puppetiers in Ring World are fantastic too.
Based Motie appreciators
The final battle on the MacArthur was always fascinating to me since they end up fighting gremlins with tiny laser guns that have infested the ship, but the tone and sense of urgency feels more like the combat sequences in Aliens.
4 months ago
Anonymous
bueno.
4 months ago
Anonymous
I'm still not sure what they cover artist was thinking when he drew this.
4 months ago
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>A forever war movie adaption >In the current year
You know and I know that would be fricking horrible.
They do have the power armor in Starship Troopers: Invasion and Traitor of Mars which are full CGI movies and surprisingly good
4 months ago
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>Starship Troopers: Invasion and Traitor of Mars which are full CGI movies and surprisingly good
Any Troopers sequel approaching "good" would be a suprise.
4 months ago
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Still campy but generally less stupid then the Vanhoven movies.
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The CGI TV series had power armor, but they rarely used their jump jets.
I really hate how forgotten "Space: Above And Beyond" seems to be. It's probably the most /k/ of all space battle shows ("Stargate SGI & Atlantis was full of idiots who sucked at basic diplomacy, causing as many problems as they solved. Most notably MICHAEL Kenmore).
A natural swing back from '80's Star Wars rip off trash. About 50% of the 'Outer Limits' reboot is pretty decent. The other half are ridiculously simply moral tales.
Could never get interested in a single episode of that show.
With semi autonomous drones most of space combat can be automated to near perfection without even using AI. It is mostly hard equations and probabilities.
Lasers do have a maximum range because they spread out in a cone like a flashlight. Missiles and drones are disposable cheap spaceships that can mount weapons to include lasers, missiles and drones.
>bablyon lost tales (or whatever it was called) was supposed to be centered about the Centari resurgence and kicking ass across the galaxy but they didn't have the budget and had to scale it down to an anthology of small stories
They were a huge empire that became smaller but still powerful because they had large stockpiles of weapons from the old empire days they can take out of mothball whenever they needed
Except centauris knew maintenance/storage and wasn't moronic like russians
Those centauri primus battle cruisers are supposedly 150-200+ yrs old by the time of Babylon 5
They weren't done on a single computer, they were done on a large farm of Amiga desktops. As in, the hot-rod cousin of the C-64. Meanwhile, most other CGI was done on what were essentially purpose-built supercomputers.
>Amiga desktops. As in, the hot-rod cousin of the C-64
Close. Amiga architecture has nothing to do with the C64 beyond being made by the same company, they were Motorola CPUs with some very flashy custom chips that made them excellent for handling video. B5 was done on a hot-rodded version of the top end A4000 called the Video Toaster.
It isn't even close. Pretty much only thing in Amiga architecture that is even close to C64 equivalent chip is disk controller. Aside from going to Motorola 68000 CPU. While all support chips were from in house stuff from MOS. Memory controller chip Agnus was pure clean sheet design, as one should expect when going from 8 to 16 bit system. There might be some design similarities between video and sound chips, Denise GPU for Amiga (Vic in C64) and Paula sound chip (SID in C64). Video toaster in its original incarnation was software suite and expansion card with its own CPU to Amiga 2000. They later on came up with their own stand alone system based on Amiga 4000. Persistence of Amiga as video editing tool is just as much about software as it was about hardware. Better software for PC simply didn't exist until early 2000's.
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The 68k series of cpu's were so nice to work with. Such as clear architecture and clean assembly language. Compare that to the abomination that is asm on Intel chips and it's a night and day difference.
4 months ago
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Yup. The original 16-bit Intel 8086/8088 was a total clusterfrick and would probably have died a miserable death if IBM hadn't chosen it for their little "PC" side project. Intel managed to unfrick it quite a bit in the 32-bit 80386, but some of that shitshow's legacy haunts PCs to this day.
I think IBM was actually pretty close to just going with the much cleaner 16/32 bit Motorola 68k, but it wasn't quite ready in time. The PC market might be very different if it had been available a few months earlier.
4 months ago
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Yup. The original 16-bit Intel 8086/8088 was a total clusterfrick and would probably have died a miserable death if IBM hadn't chosen it for their little "PC" side project. Intel managed to unfrick it quite a bit in the 32-bit 80386, but some of that shitshow's legacy haunts PCs to this day.
I think IBM was actually pretty close to just going with the much cleaner 16/32 bit Motorola 68k, but it wasn't quite ready in time. The PC market might be very different if it had been available a few months earlier.
Z180 was and still is tge better uP.
4 months ago
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>Amiga architecture has nothing to do with the C64 beyond being made by the same company
Jesus' Holy Autism, the "close" part is the story in general. Learn to fricking read.
4 months ago
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Literally only things in Amiga that were backwards compatible were disk drives and joysticks. Shit handled by disk controller.
What Warner Brothers fricked up is archiving CGI masters. CGI hardware for pilot and first season were Amigas. After that they got proper Silicon Graphics workstations and all kinds of other hardware like regular PC's as parallel computing was already a thing in 90's. Real dedicated super computer hardware died in 90's.
>Real dedicated super computer hardware died in 90's.
The times when SGI was having to deal with windows PC alternatives for the first time was fun.
Especially the workstation PC-cases.
Nineties graphics and other non x86 workstations were way above PC's, but those still weren't super computers. Every single super computer manufacturer went way of Dodo in first half of 90's. It took bit longer for weird workstations to die, to early 2000's before being taken over mostly by workstations running bit better x86 based hardware. If you want bit of irony. SGI took over Cray Research, its patents, trademarks ad other assets in 1995 when it went bankrupt. They later on sold name to some generic computing company that rents distributed computing serverfarms full of cheapest generic x86's.
pity no one makes pc cases looking like old SGI stuff ..
https://i.imgur.com/ymt3w3W.jpg
Nineties graphics and other non x86 workstations were way above PC's, but those still weren't super computers. Every single super computer manufacturer went way of Dodo in first half of 90's. It took bit longer for weird workstations to die, to early 2000's before being taken over mostly by workstations running bit better x86 based hardware. If you want bit of irony. SGI took over Cray Research, its patents, trademarks ad other assets in 1995 when it went bankrupt. They later on sold name to some generic computing company that rents distributed computing serverfarms full of cheapest generic x86's.
My dad worked at a data analytics company in the 90s. Did a lot of actuarial computing for big reinsurance companies and even criminal data for interpol. I remember going to his office once with him and it had pic related workstations there.
What I love is that the original models were actually really good. There's a Youtuber that got a hold of the original files for a battle sequence and re rendered them with modern computers and they looks great.
not entirely fair, they were minding their own business with a largely peaceful society and a few colonies when the centauri invaded conuered them and then enslaved them for about 100-150 years before the Narn managed to free themselves, capturing enough tech from the centauri in the process to bootstrap themselves to major power status, especially given that they were well motivated to prioritise their military to prevent another occupation.
the Narn or at least the senior Narn in the show are all veterans of that first struggle who grew up under occupation and are damned if they will see another.
polands attitude towards russia is a better parallel in that regard.
J. Michael Straczynski has some Polish ancestry. I think the Narn are a generic stand-in for an oppressed people who were engaged in a violent anti-colonial struggle.
Interesting thing about that, Mira Furlan was Croatian (with some israeli descent) and had a Serbian husband, and they fled the collapsing Yugoslavia after she was threatened by neo-fascists for being a israeli prostitute after performing in Belgrade. She also opposed the war. They wound up in the U.S. broke af and she worked as a waitress until she got lucky landing a job playing in this weird sci-fi show.
Fun fact: Delenn was meant to be a man in S1 but they could not get the makeup to work. It would have made what happened later on an even bigger reveal.
Mira Furlan was ugly even when she was younger. She absolutely could have pulled off playing a man
Fun fact: Delenn was meant to be a man in S1 but they could not get the makeup to work. It would have made what happened later on an even bigger reveal.
>Mira Furlan was Croatian
I never liked her accent, her character seemed pretty b***hy and I wouldn't have fricked her at a 45°angle, even with Linnier watching! The redhead is a different story, read my mind, b***h!
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>her character seemed pretty b***hy
She was Minbari and one of their all-powerful leaders, it came with the territory. Like every character in B5 they had a story arc. How they started out is not how they ended up and that includes personality.
Mira Furlan was ugly even when she was younger. She absolutely could have pulled off playing a man [...]
>Mira Furlan was Croatian
I never liked her accent, her character seemed pretty b***hy and I wouldn't have fricked her at a 45°angle, even with Linnier watching! The redhead is a different story, read my mind, b***h!
I met her at a con about 2 years before she died. She was really nice to chat with.
4 months ago
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>she died
Well now I'm sad. I will give HUGE propes to casting B5 brought in all the old faves in choise roles.
4 months ago
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>>she died
Most of the cast has died, aside from Sheridan, Lyta, Mollari, and Lennier.
B5 is cursed, sadly.
4 months ago
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>B5 is cursed
Fug. https://m.imdb.com/list/ls056207990/
4 months ago
Anonymous
Mr Morden is now building contractor, specializing in house expansions in southern California. If the thing you want is extra bedroom or bigger garage, he might deliver exactly what you want.
4 months ago
Anonymous
Probably works with Christopher Atkins.
4 months ago
Anonymous
B5 cast are cursed .. or that's what you get from hiring dirt cheap, out-of-work addicts.
> Andreas Katsulas [G'Kar] had lung cancer and was 59. Stephen Furst [Vir] was 63 and had lifelong issues from and a family history of diabetes. Mira Furlan [Delenn] was 65 and suffered unusual but not unheard-of complications of West Nile. Richard Biggs [Franklin] died suddenly from an aortic dissection, which is tragic but unpreventable. Jerry Doyle [Garibaldi] had chronic health issues related to alcohol and was 60 when he died. Jeff Conaway [Zack], tragically, had drug problems before he was on the show, and despite rehab before and after he did die from complications attributed to it (aspiration pneumonia.) Michael O’Hare [Sinclair] suffered from paranoid schizophrenia and later died of a heart attack.
>I think the Narn are a generic stand-in for an oppressed people who were engaged in a violent anti-colonial struggle.
The series begins with the Centauri depicted as amiable friends of the Earth Alliance showing restraint against violent desert-dwelling savages, only to be revealed as lying, cheating, backstabbing butchers by the end. Intentional or right, that's right on the nose for only one group.
4 months ago
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>The series begins with the Centauri depicted as amiable friends of the Earth Alliance
The Centauri intro scene in the first episode is a guy listing all the lies they have told Earth so far.
4 months ago
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Humans in B5 deserved to be lied to, they are morons. Ironically the one time the Centauri didn't lie to them was when Londo told them not to mess with the Minbari, which they went ahead and did anyway
4 months ago
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>Intentional or right, that's right on the nose for only one group.
Unfortunately I have to break it to the class that the show's israeli character served on Babylon 5.
4 months ago
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The Centauri are literally the Space French.
4 months ago
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>What if the real israelites were the French we met along the way?
I prefer the Centauri-Narn interactions way more than the fruity cultural and biological synthesis thing going on between the humans and Minbari. It's disturbing and kind of like what is going on between the US and Japan today in terms of weeabooism
Babylon 5 has space combat? I thought it was about a space colony in a star trek Federation type civilization where they were technologically beyond any lesser races and thier wars.
It's the complete opposite. Humans are one of the weakest races and are trying to play catch-up with the main alien races. It's actually a story element since it causes greed and an inferiority complex amongst some. Oh and yeah, space combat and wars feature heavily as the show progresses. If you can overlook the dated sfx and the ropey early episodes it is the best sci-fi show ever made.
Well strictly speaking the Minbari were slaughtering humanity and their ships were so technologically advanced as to be invincible. It was only for "plot reasons" they surrendered just as they were about to obliterate Earth. So they weren't defeated, they simply stopped. This made some in Earth's military and government get delusions of grandeur and repeated the propaganda that Earth won the war and were a great military power.
Yeah it's dated but for a 90s sci-fi show it was ahead of its time, and the space battles felt like they had a lot of weight.
I liked Walter Koenig playing the fascist telepath gestapo guy. The show's politics are also unfashionably (but curiously) centrist since the theme is that what the galaxy really needs is a universal ethic based in balance and equilibrium, and the main protagonist eventually gathers everyone who believes in that into an alliance to tell the rival baddies (who have ideals about the best way to run things being order, or chaos, and will destroy the galaxy to get their respective way) to frick off and stop using other people as pawns to fight their wars. Very 90s.
If that is true it is the first time I've heard it. Only thing I've ever read is how he loved getting that part as he was never offered to play a bad guy before.
I loved when Babylon 5 basically fought an outright war against a tyrannical Earth. The station was even painted badly via Earth propaganda so brazenly biased it's practically Russian.
>It was scarily prescient in that regard and the whole way the propaganda imperceptibly began to increase as the season(s) progressed was so well done.
Yeah that. There's a fascist coup, but it's not like they just announce it, the coup happens with the president's assassination (you can tell J. Michael Straczynski is a liberal JFK fan lmao) but officially it's an accident. Then the Earth Alliance starts to gradually but unstoppably mutate into a dictatorship, and the next thing is the weird armband people start showing up to "help" the station maintain order, the propaganda starts to increase, and it's a weird gray zone which is fricking with everyone's senses of what is actually happening until it's happening very fast, and when they resist, the warships show up threatening to arrest them all.
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Remember that episodes that takes place much later, and has a bunch of people rewriting history?
4 months ago
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It's a debate program a few decades "later", like "Meet the Press", where every commentator has a different spin on what happened "back then", until grey-haired and ancient Sheridan bursts into the broadcast to call them all useless hacks and shills
4 months ago
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It was delenn that showed up on the debate show. What the other anon was referring to was a time period hundreds of years later where another tyrannical earth government took over and attempted to make b5 evil.
They were ahead of their time. Now you have Biden and the dems controlling the US and using the courts to try to silenceTrump while the media paints him as a cartoon villain.
B5 has a ton of space battles, good ones too. It's still "soft" sci-fi, but they do a good job of elevating battles beyond WW2 dogfights with space air, making use of 3D space and ships maintaining inertia. It mogs most space operas in this department.
>I thought it was about a space colony in a star trek Federation type civilization where they were technologically beyond any lesser races and thier wars.
Its exactly the opposite. Humans are least advanced and weakest of major powers.
I thought the whole premise is they defeated the Minbari and were now feeling top dog of the galaxy!
>I thought the whole premise is they defeated the Minbari and were now feeling top dog of the galaxy!
Dunno is this bait or utter moronation. Mankind were spared from being genocided due to rather peculiar reasons in Earth-Minbari war.
Babylon 5: The Lost Tales
Was supposed to be a new series but fell through and we got a movie
Lost Tales fell thru because WB were being cheap as frick. The first part was pilot made with shoe string budget, on intention of doing bunch of straight to DVD episodes with decent budget. Basically acting talent were working bellow their usual rates, for the sake of the project. There is so few characters in it because you at least have to pay SAG minimum wages for actors. All CGI assets were kindly done by fans at PrepHole janitor wages, originally for Babylon5 mod for FreeSpace2, composition of CGI sequences were done by professionals. Basically reported budget for first installment was 2 million, given that it actually had some marketing behind it, actual filming budget was way bellow million and cheaper than most episodes of the show.
Man I wish Babylon 5 could get the love to get a 4k remaster, along with the cgi scenes. Kino series
Only way that is going happen is AI upscaling. Be happy that you got full HD remaster with CGI footage AI upscaled from PAL tv source. WB managed to frick up archiving CGI masters. Were probably lucky that didn't manage to lose live action footage. Its funny because B5 was one of first shows that was shot for both full frame and widescreen in mind from the get go and it was shot in HD. They could have done CGI as HDTV in 90's at cost of electricity and leaving rendering running overnight. That didn't happen because WB didn't want to spend like 20k for bunch of wide screen HDTV monitors.
Ah, the Onslaught. Now THAT was a battleship!
Battleships nowadays have way too many useless bells and whistles that dont mean shit in a REAL engagement. Ill take some heavy armour and a burn drive over a fortress shield and energy """weapons""" any day
GTFO, lowtechgay. The Paragon outclasses the Onslaught any day of the fricking week. Two hundred cycles and still making debris fields out of every Onslaught the Hegemony throws at it.
How about you get a hyperdrive, idiot. Incom blew everything out of the water with the T-65. Why have a carrier or close warp gate when you can just jump into battle yourself like a chad.
Impossible, then we would have an entire fully animated series about the Knights of the Old Republic, animated / directed by Genndy Tartakovsky, and Dave Filoni as a tertiary lore advisor. Never gonna happen lol.
>I hate Disney so fricking much. Imagine if they tried to make good content instead of woke trash.
Just finished watching Rogue One and Andor S01 for the first time, the wokeism wasnt so bad?
Also those titanic explosions from firing the Death Star, holy shit. Awesome. I rewatched those a bunch of times after having finished the movie.
Andor is very good, and rogue one is okay. season 1 Mandalorian is somewhere in between those two. nothing else they made is even mediocre, it's all extremely shit
My man
The Loki manuevered pretty well too and went fast when you hit the burners, but didn't really have the missile capacity for big battles or the same top speed without afterburners.
I wish more games captured that feeling of being one fighter in the middle of a much bigger battlefield quite as well as Freespace did
Not a bad way to describe Mr. Morden and his 'associates'.
Thread had me go re-watch that scene from Space Above and Beyond where McQueen goes out after Chiggy Von Richtofen.
Lt. Col. Tyrus Cassius 'T.C.' McQueen With all due respect, I don't think our maker wants to hear from me right now, because he knows I'm going to go out into that sky in this plane and remove one of his creations from his universe and when I return I'm going to drink a bottle of scotch as if it were Chiggy von Richthofen's blood and celebrate his death.
Chaplain Amen.
The Narn were on the rise but starting from a very low point, the Centauri on the other-hand were a vast empire that had been slowly fading for a while and the decline was only getting worse.
It's so weird how often battles seem to end with total annihilation, even when historically, people tend to raise the white flag or run when it's apparent they lost. Extermination of the enemy is rarely the actual military objective.
I don't know why but ive always been a fan of the sci fi idea of "space fighter that is far bigger then what is typical" like with the fury being near 70 meters long or the longsword basically having a full interior and is almost as large as a A320
Yeah, also small crews lend themselves to story telling easier. Ships like the rocinante or the hunter killers in the sten chronicles which are basically an engine and 4 60mt missiles and a handful of duel purpose interceptor missiles. Those things also had a Y-gun which was only described as a 'nuclear chaingun'
Yeah, them. It’s unclear why an eldar race of ascended beings wanted Earth to be run by a despot, except shadows = le bad or something. >Clarke
I didn’t understand his motivation aside from being le bad Nazi and sending propaganda artists to B5. I also liked how the human authorities of B5 could just casually give the finger to their own government.
The Shadow/ Vorlon wars were by proxy. Humans have psychics. Shadows are sensible to psychic warfare (see G' Quan and the last mind walkers). Do the math.
did you miss the whole point?
WHO ARE YOU
WHAT DO YOU WANT
the vorlons wanted to promote order, control, discipline through self knowledge, wisdom. to make the younger races better. to uplift them so they wouldn't be alone anymore.
the shadows wanted to promote strife and avarice, so that greed and chaos would make the younger races stronger, better, to uplift them so they wouldn't be alone anymore.
Apparently these things are 1700m long. You could fit like 10 Nimitz-class supercarriers in the rotating centrifuge section ALONE. Yet, apparently, the crew is listed as being only 250-1000 people, which gives this thing the population density of some midwestern bumfrick town. This is another case of sci-fi ships just being too fricking goddamn big. What is all of this metal for exactly?
When designing ships for my sci-fi setting, I set 300-400m long and 50-75m diameter as the rough standard for a typical destroyer/cruiser with about 1/8 of the internal volume being walkable (aka not vacuum/storage/machinery). By the standards of sci-fi, these are midsize ships with very little crew space. According to NASA, a crew member needs about 20 cubic meters of space to not go insane and start stabbing people with screwdrivers during a long mission, but I figured I'd quadruple that number to accomodate introverts and spergs. Even with all these limitations in place, I found that my ships would still need a crew in the ballpark of 1000 people to fill them up, when I figured that 40-80 would do the trick. This really made me realize, how even the "small" huge ships in SF, like the Galaxy-class which is mostly livable space, are absolutely fricking gargantuan and would feel practically empty with their stated crew complement, where you could walk for minutes and see nobody. And yet, compared to ships in B5 or Star Wars or Halo or 40K or Battlestar Galactica, the Galaxy-class is STILL a small ship. It would probably take you most of a year to visit every room in a Warlock class or a Star Destroyer, and you could probably work there your entire life and never meet half the staff.
Hilariously, 40K might have the most realistic depiction of these gigantic spaceships: mobile cities with cathedrals, red light districts, slums, gangs, civil wars, entire decks that end up forgotten, machines that people don't understand the purpose of, where people are born, live, and die, thinking their ship is the entire universe.
numbers and scales are hard to grasp. Writers are generally bad at them, since you have to be explicitly good at them not to screw it up.
I think 40k's absurdity often disarms people from the amount of thought and loving design that went into what appears to just be "every scifi property ever shoved in a blender". At least initially.
Same with whf.
Anyway they also did good but not feeling the need to specify and measure out everything. Battlefleet Gothic in particular would have been so much worse with any level of measurement they chose, but because they deliberately didn't it's got a much nicer sense of scale to it.
?also personally for muh oc space ships I think submarine crew/size ratios are a good starting point.
>According to NASA, a crew member needs about 20 cubic meters of space
And how does this compare with the USN which has crewed ACTUAL ships and not pretend ones?
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If only there was a difference between a ship where crew can go on deck and get fresh air or can get leave at various ports and a sealed tin can on a 9 month trip to Mars.
>40K might have the most realistic depiction of these gigantic spaceships: mobile cities with cathedrals, red light districts, slums, gangs, civil wars, entire decks that end up forgotten,
Turns out James Blish's 'Citys in Flight' was right all along.
the rotational section was originally going to be the hangar for launching starfuries like babylon 5 but they was too time consuming to animate so they canned that. the front was originally just going to be for retrieving ships and then the 2 big cannons on the front that they also didn't have money to animate. other than that, they made it insanely thick because the EA still relied entirely on armor while the minbari and centauri used some sort of basic energy shielding as the excuse but it was mostly just a cosmetic thing obviously. also all the red squares were missile launchers that were also cut
By the time we have space battles, all fighting will be decided within milliseconds by computers firing kinetic weapons well beyond visual range into the orbits of the enemy. I used to have a webm depicting it, but I seem to have lost it.
It won't be cool, it'll be waiting for 2 hours to see if you're going to get instantaneously shredded seemingly at random because their computer was faster than yours. Closer to submarine warfare than dogfighting.
Ah, the joys of TV budgets, that brought forth the paradox of ship classes in service well over a hundred years massively outnumbering twenty-something years old designs.
So we know there was a substantial buildup leading up to the Khitomer Accords and that Starfleet has various factions pushing for exploration and scientific programs over purely military programs. It's my head canon that they kept the Excelsiors they built, cancelled most of their other large warship programs, and kept building proven designs in blocks until losses mounted and technology pushed by the Cardassian and Tzenkethi wars.
Earth doesn't use money, but the Federation does (sorta, kinda), and there are real costs to building and manning large fleets. It's entirely possible that the Galaxy-class program was made possible by the invention of the replicator, effectively increasing their industrial capacity exponentially. It also helps that the Enterprise-D is almost entirely automated, lowering crewing requirements.
Yes, a massive buildup of forces pre-2293 [with an even greater needs reduction post 2311] is the most reasonable explanation.
Just find it funny for Starfleet to still be using "lost with all hands" Oberths for almost a century.
I think his design is the perfect midpoint between the Ambassador we got and the Galaxy, but the design we actually got feels like the apex of late-23rd century design.
Who said it was? They're essentially dreadnaughts. How often do we see that kind of fleet action in TNG?
They probably cut back on the number of Ambassadors ordered and put the effort into building more Excelsiors. They're out there, leading fleets, patrolling deep space, and guarding the home planets.
Ambassador studio model was made in like a week. They used it twice for shooting effects and even then they had to modify it to keep it together for second time. Excelsior studio model was built for high budget movie with no time or imposing budget constraints.
Ringworld, the Man/Kzin wars, and many others are from the "Known Space" series: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Known_Space
One of the books, "Tales from Known Space" has the backstory, which I don't think is fully told in any of the main books. It's pretty cool though.
Millions of years before any of the species in the books existed, there was a species that developed mind control. They were otherwise very primitive - I don't even think they had fire. An explorer from a spacefaring race lands on their planet ...and is immediately mind controlled and turned into a slave.
The mind control race (hereafter called, "slavers") recognize the implications of there being whole planets of beings with no defense against mind control. So they have their first slave fly them to a planet, they enslave everyone, then on to the next planet.
They conquer the whole galaxy before anyone even knows what's happening. This happens 3 billion years ago. They rule uncontested for more than a billion years.
Their big problem though, is that when they're mind-controlling a slave, the slave isn't that creative. So they have to periodically, temporarily grant freedom to individuals in order to make them invent stuff or repair stuff, or manage stuff.
One particularly inventive race is held as slaves, but used to build stuff, and they work carefully, slowly, over literally millions of years, to put a plan into place to revolt - because if they just outright revolt, the slavers will mind control them and kill them.
When the revolt finally happens, the slavers are so dependent on them running things in their un-mind-controlled state, that they can't survive without them. But what they can do is order every sentient species on every planet in the entire galaxy to commit suicide - which they do.
This always reminded me a bit of Halo, with its galaxy-wide weapons of mass destruction.
Postwar West and East German sci-fiction were wild because they actually did care about high level sci-fi concepts instead of the USA in space formula series like Star Trek.
Perry Rhodan casually did Matrix decades before the gay trans sisters in a way more interesting way.
Mogged by the Gunstar both aesthetically and functionally.
Remember that starhomosexuals were a failed death trap, but ONE Gunstar piloted by an old man and a novice gunner took out an entire fleet.
>ships with no visible weapon emplacements >ships with lots of small but still visible weapons >ships with typical WW1/WW2 gun proportions >ships that are guns
Mix of all of it. A typical military ship should generally be obvious and intimidating but also look deceptively weaker than it is having a lot of tricks up it's sleeve. "Tricks" like hidden turrets, hidden missile bays, and maybe even a big ass spinal mount. No more than 50% of weaponry should be easily visible outside of battle. Only the heaviest hitters would be all visible all the time. Ships that if they're present it might as well already be over because of the obscene firepower they come with.
Unless it's a capital ship, the deployment of which should in and of itself be the diplomatic equivalent of a thermonuclear warhead, which, respectively, should bristle with firepower bow to stern.
Hey, you guys look like nerds so maybe you can help me out. What are these black round things in this F-4 wienerpit? I was thinking some kind of fuze but there are loads of regular fuzes all around so I don't get it
wait. so /k/ isn't even allowed to share dissembly and cleaning Manuals etc for firearms and shit like that?
/k/ isn't allowed to share their nations various manuals of land warfare? and crap like that? all the survival manuals on how to purify water etc, disallowed? what homosexual mod thought that up?
Jerry Doyle (Garibaldi) spent years thrashing him for what he thought was O'Hare's being a creep to the actress that played Talia. Even going so far as to refuse to be in any scene with him when they filmed the conclusion to the Babylon 4 plot in Season 3. JMS really stayed true to his word not to tell a soul until O'Hare's passing. Pretty sad stuff.
Since at the time he was married to the actress playing Talia irl that isn't much of a surprise. Being a full on crazy person that belongs in a mental asylum is no excuse.
Nah he wasn't married to her during season 1. And it's interesting to think that Doyle spent all those years thinking that his ultimatum (he's quitting unless O'Hare is fired) was why they replaced Sinclair. When they were willing to pause the entire production and risk cancellation just so O'Hare could get treated.
I don't understand the use of starfighters when laser weapons are common. it should be easy to target and shoot the fighters which are destroyed in a single hit.
also, the Space Above & Beyond hammerheads were kino
Based S:A&B. I just rewatched Sugar Dirt the other day.
yeah one of the best episodes. glad I bought it back in the day on a whim.
damn the stealth fighter, its been awhile
>Space Above & Beyond
>Yes, we'll train you for years to be a hot shot pilot flying an extremely complicated space fighters
>Oh you're done training, good. Now here's a rifle and shovel, now go dig a fox hole and prepare to face enemy infantry assault.
>What are you b***hing about? Couple of weeks in trenches then maybe we'll let you fly space fighter again. For couple of missions at least.
Kinda moronic but kinda based too seeing fighter jocks be occasionally put through verdun, keeps them humble.
>>use highly skilled personnel as trench fodder
in space
Maybe this smug c**t could have survived if he had some previous experience of facing tens of thousands swarming bugs armed with a rifle and elan instead of just zooming around in spaceships being smug c**t.
He was a based flyboy
wienery and arrogant, but fought a private while putting aside his rank and then told bigbug to go frick itself and spat in its face
Carmen however, is an irredeemable prostitute
Hilariously, he would have survived if he's just retained the knife. He handed it to Ibanaz and she survived because she cut the brain bug's sucker.
He simped, and paid the price for it.
I really wish they'd remake the movie using the badass power armor depicted in the books (and get writers and directors who actually like the source material).
>really wish they'd remake the movie using the badass power armor depicted in the books
Or just go og with picrel.
that's one of my favorite books. a GOOD adaptation would be kino
God, I loved that book. Such epic space opera.
>interstellar war bootcamp
>let's train on Pluto ...because, errr dark
>absolutely worthless training except to kill the morons
Actually good training. Next most reread was Mote in God's Eye.
>Mote in God's Eye.
That's probably my favorite of the Niven/Pournelle books.
>>let's train on Pluto ...because, errr dark
Charon actually, and IIRC the reason was that they expected that all conflict with the Taurens would be on dwarf planetoids orbiting collapsers, which charon was for our star system, so they assumed conditions would be the same for all of them.
>Charon actually,
>so they assumed conditions would be the same for all of them.
Thx, it's been literal decades since my last reread.
Collapser stars are the warpgates in the book. They're "cold" neutron stars that don't give off much energy. They're occupying planets in collapser systems and such planets are very cold because very little sunlight.
Collapsers are FTL chokepoints.
>Mote in God's Eye.
I still remember the "reveal" where the humans figure out the Motie's reproductive cycle. I didn't see it coming at all. It was so well done.
Footfall is fantastic too, and could probably be made easily with modern CGI.
Niven and Pournelle are the best at creating aliens with interesting psychologies. They're not just "bugs" or "monsters" they have realistic motivations based on their biology. The Motie's play nice so that they can escape. The Fithp (in Footfall) legitimately believe that invading Earth is the way to make friends with humans, because the Fithp are heard animals who only follow the strong.
Really good stuff. The puppetiers in Ring World are fantastic too.
Footfall was great too. The Michael is one of the best ships in scifi. Lucifer's Hammer was also good, and iirc it was the basis for Deep Impact
>aliens with interesting psychologies
I always liked how Nivin wrote the Puppeteers genetically manipulated the Kzinti to be less savage and the Humans to be genetically lucky.
>I always liked how Nivin wrote the Puppeteers genetically manipulated the Kzinti to be less savage
This is a technically correct description of the selection pressures put on the Kzinti during the Man Kzin Wars.
Forgot the pic
A few years ago I found these books at a garage sale. I really enjoyed them, but I've never met anyone else who has heard of this author or this series.
tl;dr Berserkers are self-replicating machines whose purpose is to wipe out all life. Their origins are mysterious, but it's hinted that they were created to fight a specific war, and the AI generalized from, "kill the enemy" to "kill everyone."
That's not an uncommon theme in scifi, but these books were written in the 1960s, so they have to be among the first to depict runaway AI killing machines.
Also, like a lot of books from the '60s, the stories are generally based. Men and women are heterosexual, men are depicted as competent, and women don't have a giant chip on their shoulder.
Even better, humans are said to be the only species badass enough to actually score victories against Berserkers. That is to say, "humans are special" - another common theme in the '60s, but unheard of today.
Fred is great and bezerkers are as standard as the Gordon Dickson's Dorsai series. Wait until you find Keith Lamar's Bolo series!
>it's hinted that they were created to fight a specific war, and the AI generalized from, "kill the enemy" to "kill everyone."
>That's not an uncommon theme in scifi,
It's the basic Kill Your Creator variation on Frankenstein.
Wings Out of Shadow is one of my favorite books, aka the red baron vs flying terminators
>You... you... double GoodLife!
I really liked the story where the Berzerkers pretended there was a "control code" that would make them obedient. On the theory that "Life likes to kill itself, if we pretend to obey, they'll use us to kill each other.
they also bred humans to be lucky and fiddled with a bunch of other races too
herbivores are psycho
I thought the pupeteers, or someone else maybe, altered the Kzin to make them MORE agressive, don't remember for sure how their story progressed, it had something to do with making all their females non-sentient I think.
I think that was medieval kzin just being moronic incels. It's been a while tho.
Man, I wanted so bad to like the Man Kzin Wars books but every story writes them to be absolute jobbers in a 1950s scooby Doo way but then the preface of the Ringworld books say the Kzin managed to conquer Human space like 3 different times and made factory farm concentration camps for people meat
They also destroyed the ringworld civilization by creating a bacteria that would eat their superconductors.
Think about that for a moment - the most powerful race in any of the books, the Pak, who created the most spectacular construct, the Ring, destroyed by coward horses who didn't even physically contact them (they literally figured out the superconductor tech through telescopes).
>coward horses
I always envisioned more of an ostrich body type. Some of my first printings has meticulous etchings. Gone from my collection decades ago.
The Pak died out long before, the Puppeteers just ruined the city builder's civilization, which was basically cargo cult morons colonizing planets using the Ringworld attitude jets as interstellar ships.
The Pak are an interesting study in how a superintelligent race can be less advanced because they do things like run their fusion reactors manually, because a Pak is smart enough and dedicated enough to just sit there for 10k years looking at the colour of the plasma and twiddling knobs
>And where are the Pak now?
>You're looking at 'em butthole!
Based Motie appreciators
The final battle on the MacArthur was always fascinating to me since they end up fighting gremlins with tiny laser guns that have infested the ship, but the tone and sense of urgency feels more like the combat sequences in Aliens.
bueno.
I'm still not sure what they cover artist was thinking when he drew this.
>A forever war movie adaption
>In the current year
You know and I know that would be fricking horrible.
The charismatic, genuine romantic partners died (Dizzy, him) and the shitty conniving partners survived (Carmen and Rico)
>genuine romantic
Redheads are so hot. She truely loved him and he spurned her for a schoolboy crush.
They do have the power armor in Starship Troopers: Invasion and Traitor of Mars which are full CGI movies and surprisingly good
>Starship Troopers: Invasion and Traitor of Mars which are full CGI movies and surprisingly good
Any Troopers sequel approaching "good" would be a suprise.
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Still campy but generally less stupid then the Vanhoven movies.
The CGI TV series had power armor, but they rarely used their jump jets.
Just watch the anime movie. Its what you want.
He manger her in herb prime. You know it.
Diz moggs this dumb prostitute into infinity and beyond.
>Oh you're done training, good. Now here's a rifle and shovel, now go dig a fox hole and prepare to face enemy infantry assault.
Way she goes
I really hate how forgotten "Space: Above And Beyond" seems to be. It's probably the most /k/ of all space battle shows ("Stargate SGI & Atlantis was full of idiots who sucked at basic diplomacy, causing as many problems as they solved. Most notably MICHAEL Kenmore).
>hate how forgotten "Space: Above And Beyond" seems to be
It really is underrated.
I for one havent forgotten it. Kristen Cloke was one of the most beautiful women ever to appear on screen, on any screen.
90's SciFi was peak.
A natural swing back from '80's Star Wars rip off trash. About 50% of the 'Outer Limits' reboot is pretty decent. The other half are ridiculously simply moral tales.
>About 50% of the 'Outer Limits' reboot is pretty decent.
loved that series,
the episode with the President who fricks up a peaceful alien first contact stuck with me
The one where he was newly elected? I remember the Russians launched the first nuke and he followed suit.
It is an underrated show, the android story line could have been dropped sooner.
Could never get interested in a single episode of that show.
With semi autonomous drones most of space combat can be automated to near perfection without even using AI. It is mostly hard equations and probabilities.
Lasers do have a maximum range because they spread out in a cone like a flashlight. Missiles and drones are disposable cheap spaceships that can mount weapons to include lasers, missiles and drones.
The Angriest Angel for me
Because star fighters can recon in 720 degrees without giving away the mothership, in ranges far beyond what her active sensors could see.
Its sole function in the show is to get mogged by nearly everything they encounter
I wish we got more of the Warlock class.
>bablyon lost tales (or whatever it was called) was supposed to be centered about the Centari resurgence and kicking ass across the galaxy but they didn't have the budget and had to scale it down to an anthology of small stories
i'm still fricking mad
Man, that looks like shit.
those starfuries getting owned by based Centauri turning on autopilot and risk blacking out just to get a better attack angle
Londo b***h about the decline of the Centari all the damn time, but they consistently b***h slap everyone except for the Minbari
Centauris was like the soviet union/russia
They were a huge empire that became smaller but still powerful because they had large stockpiles of weapons from the old empire days they can take out of mothball whenever they needed
Except centauris knew maintenance/storage and wasn't moronic like russians
Those centauri primus battle cruisers are supposedly 150-200+ yrs old by the time of Babylon 5
what episode
Babylon 5: The Lost Tales
Was supposed to be a new series but fell through and we got a movie
Man I wish Babylon 5 could get the love to get a 4k remaster, along with the cgi scenes. Kino series
i think it can't because they lost the original special effects files (which were all done on a single computer)
They weren't done on a single computer, they were done on a large farm of Amiga desktops. As in, the hot-rod cousin of the C-64. Meanwhile, most other CGI was done on what were essentially purpose-built supercomputers.
>Amiga desktops. As in, the hot-rod cousin of the C-64
Close. Amiga architecture has nothing to do with the C64 beyond being made by the same company, they were Motorola CPUs with some very flashy custom chips that made them excellent for handling video. B5 was done on a hot-rodded version of the top end A4000 called the Video Toaster.
It isn't even close. Pretty much only thing in Amiga architecture that is even close to C64 equivalent chip is disk controller. Aside from going to Motorola 68000 CPU. While all support chips were from in house stuff from MOS. Memory controller chip Agnus was pure clean sheet design, as one should expect when going from 8 to 16 bit system. There might be some design similarities between video and sound chips, Denise GPU for Amiga (Vic in C64) and Paula sound chip (SID in C64). Video toaster in its original incarnation was software suite and expansion card with its own CPU to Amiga 2000. They later on came up with their own stand alone system based on Amiga 4000. Persistence of Amiga as video editing tool is just as much about software as it was about hardware. Better software for PC simply didn't exist until early 2000's.
The 68k series of cpu's were so nice to work with. Such as clear architecture and clean assembly language. Compare that to the abomination that is asm on Intel chips and it's a night and day difference.
Yup. The original 16-bit Intel 8086/8088 was a total clusterfrick and would probably have died a miserable death if IBM hadn't chosen it for their little "PC" side project. Intel managed to unfrick it quite a bit in the 32-bit 80386, but some of that shitshow's legacy haunts PCs to this day.
I think IBM was actually pretty close to just going with the much cleaner 16/32 bit Motorola 68k, but it wasn't quite ready in time. The PC market might be very different if it had been available a few months earlier.
Z180 was and still is tge better uP.
>Amiga architecture has nothing to do with the C64 beyond being made by the same company
Jesus' Holy Autism, the "close" part is the story in general. Learn to fricking read.
Literally only things in Amiga that were backwards compatible were disk drives and joysticks. Shit handled by disk controller.
Still having trouble with the reading thing huh.
What Warner Brothers fricked up is archiving CGI masters. CGI hardware for pilot and first season were Amigas. After that they got proper Silicon Graphics workstations and all kinds of other hardware like regular PC's as parallel computing was already a thing in 90's. Real dedicated super computer hardware died in 90's.
>Real dedicated super computer hardware died in 90's.
The times when SGI was having to deal with windows PC alternatives for the first time was fun.
Especially the workstation PC-cases.
Nineties graphics and other non x86 workstations were way above PC's, but those still weren't super computers. Every single super computer manufacturer went way of Dodo in first half of 90's. It took bit longer for weird workstations to die, to early 2000's before being taken over mostly by workstations running bit better x86 based hardware. If you want bit of irony. SGI took over Cray Research, its patents, trademarks ad other assets in 1995 when it went bankrupt. They later on sold name to some generic computing company that rents distributed computing serverfarms full of cheapest generic x86's.
My dad worked at a data analytics company in the 90s. Did a lot of actuarial computing for big reinsurance companies and even criminal data for interpol. I remember going to his office once with him and it had pic related workstations there.
What I love is that the original models were actually really good. There's a Youtuber that got a hold of the original files for a battle sequence and re rendered them with modern computers and they looks great.
>because they lost the original special effects files
Except people have the source files.
Looks like the models were rather high polygon no texture models so gouraud shading looks fine.
I explicitly love that 90s space cgi tbh
inject it directly into my veins it's perfect
Which episode is this from?
Sugar Dirt.
Make me rewatch the whole series on DVD boxed set, I don't mind, really. Haven't watched it in many yrs.
>Accidently kill an alien.
>Oh my god it killed itself!
They're Marines so the intellect level was true to life, good show.
That's actually a cool looking ayylien.
The shot they use in the intro, Mollari's reflection as the mass driver fires, is pure kino.
Where are the defending ships? Why aren't they stopping this attack?
They were lured into an ambush leaving the homeworld unguarded.
The narn fleet is making a surprise attack at gorash vii to cut centauri supply lines
Don't worry, they'll be back in time to defend the homeworld
Post your face when it took the main battery of three crusiers and a prayer just to nick a shadow battlecrab.
I always feel like the narns got short shrift. Kind of side players in the universe. G'Kar is such a cool dude
Narn were the Hamas of the AC universe
not entirely fair, they were minding their own business with a largely peaceful society and a few colonies when the centauri invaded conuered them and then enslaved them for about 100-150 years before the Narn managed to free themselves, capturing enough tech from the centauri in the process to bootstrap themselves to major power status, especially given that they were well motivated to prioritise their military to prevent another occupation.
the Narn or at least the senior Narn in the show are all veterans of that first struggle who grew up under occupation and are damned if they will see another.
polands attitude towards russia is a better parallel in that regard.
J. Michael Straczynski has some Polish ancestry. I think the Narn are a generic stand-in for an oppressed people who were engaged in a violent anti-colonial struggle.
Interesting thing about that, Mira Furlan was Croatian (with some israeli descent) and had a Serbian husband, and they fled the collapsing Yugoslavia after she was threatened by neo-fascists for being a israeli prostitute after performing in Belgrade. She also opposed the war. They wound up in the U.S. broke af and she worked as a waitress until she got lucky landing a job playing in this weird sci-fi show.
Fun fact: Delenn was meant to be a man in S1 but they could not get the makeup to work. It would have made what happened later on an even bigger reveal.
Mira Furlan was ugly even when she was younger. She absolutely could have pulled off playing a man
>Mira Furlan was Croatian
I never liked her accent, her character seemed pretty b***hy and I wouldn't have fricked her at a 45°angle, even with Linnier watching! The redhead is a different story, read my mind, b***h!
>her character seemed pretty b***hy
She was Minbari and one of their all-powerful leaders, it came with the territory. Like every character in B5 they had a story arc. How they started out is not how they ended up and that includes personality.
I met her at a con about 2 years before she died. She was really nice to chat with.
>she died
Well now I'm sad. I will give HUGE propes to casting B5 brought in all the old faves in choise roles.
>>she died
Most of the cast has died, aside from Sheridan, Lyta, Mollari, and Lennier.
B5 is cursed, sadly.
>B5 is cursed
Fug. https://m.imdb.com/list/ls056207990/
Mr Morden is now building contractor, specializing in house expansions in southern California. If the thing you want is extra bedroom or bigger garage, he might deliver exactly what you want.
Probably works with Christopher Atkins.
B5 cast are cursed .. or that's what you get from hiring dirt cheap, out-of-work addicts.
> Andreas Katsulas [G'Kar] had lung cancer and was 59. Stephen Furst [Vir] was 63 and had lifelong issues from and a family history of diabetes. Mira Furlan [Delenn] was 65 and suffered unusual but not unheard-of complications of West Nile. Richard Biggs [Franklin] died suddenly from an aortic dissection, which is tragic but unpreventable. Jerry Doyle [Garibaldi] had chronic health issues related to alcohol and was 60 when he died. Jeff Conaway [Zack], tragically, had drug problems before he was on the show, and despite rehab before and after he did die from complications attributed to it (aspiration pneumonia.) Michael O’Hare [Sinclair] suffered from paranoid schizophrenia and later died of a heart attack.
>I think the Narn are a generic stand-in for an oppressed people who were engaged in a violent anti-colonial struggle.
The series begins with the Centauri depicted as amiable friends of the Earth Alliance showing restraint against violent desert-dwelling savages, only to be revealed as lying, cheating, backstabbing butchers by the end. Intentional or right, that's right on the nose for only one group.
>The series begins with the Centauri depicted as amiable friends of the Earth Alliance
The Centauri intro scene in the first episode is a guy listing all the lies they have told Earth so far.
Humans in B5 deserved to be lied to, they are morons. Ironically the one time the Centauri didn't lie to them was when Londo told them not to mess with the Minbari, which they went ahead and did anyway
>Intentional or right, that's right on the nose for only one group.
Unfortunately I have to break it to the class that the show's israeli character served on Babylon 5.
The Centauri are literally the Space French.
>What if the real israelites were the French we met along the way?
I prefer the Centauri-Narn interactions way more than the fruity cultural and biological synthesis thing going on between the humans and Minbari. It's disturbing and kind of like what is going on between the US and Japan today in terms of weeabooism
Babylon 5 has space combat? I thought it was about a space colony in a star trek Federation type civilization where they were technologically beyond any lesser races and thier wars.
It's the complete opposite. Humans are one of the weakest races and are trying to play catch-up with the main alien races. It's actually a story element since it causes greed and an inferiority complex amongst some. Oh and yeah, space combat and wars feature heavily as the show progresses. If you can overlook the dated sfx and the ropey early episodes it is the best sci-fi show ever made.
I thought the whole premise is they defeated the Minbari and were now feeling top dog of the galaxy!
No, the opposite, without getting into too many details
Well strictly speaking the Minbari were slaughtering humanity and their ships were so technologically advanced as to be invincible. It was only for "plot reasons" they surrendered just as they were about to obliterate Earth. So they weren't defeated, they simply stopped. This made some in Earth's military and government get delusions of grandeur and repeated the propaganda that Earth won the war and were a great military power.
Loser talk
Earth won
We're no 1!
We're no 1!
We're no 1!
Yeah it's dated but for a 90s sci-fi show it was ahead of its time, and the space battles felt like they had a lot of weight.
I liked Walter Koenig playing the fascist telepath gestapo guy. The show's politics are also unfashionably (but curiously) centrist since the theme is that what the galaxy really needs is a universal ethic based in balance and equilibrium, and the main protagonist eventually gathers everyone who believes in that into an alliance to tell the rival baddies (who have ideals about the best way to run things being order, or chaos, and will destroy the galaxy to get their respective way) to frick off and stop using other people as pawns to fight their wars. Very 90s.
Is it true he auditioned for Londo and just missed out on that part?
If that is true it is the first time I've heard it. Only thing I've ever read is how he loved getting that part as he was never offered to play a bad guy before.
His interview on Shatner's 'Raw Nerve' is classic deep cuts.
I cannot picture lando, gkar, Ivanova, Garibaldi, bester being played by any other actor
The supporting characters were the best in the show
The mains, Sheridan/Sinclair and delenn were meh
I loved when Babylon 5 basically fought an outright war against a tyrannical Earth. The station was even painted badly via Earth propaganda so brazenly biased it's practically Russian.
It was scarily prescient in that regard and the whole way the propaganda imperceptibly began to increase as the season(s) progressed was so well done.
>It was scarily prescient in that regard and the whole way the propaganda imperceptibly began to increase as the season(s) progressed was so well done.
Yeah that. There's a fascist coup, but it's not like they just announce it, the coup happens with the president's assassination (you can tell J. Michael Straczynski is a liberal JFK fan lmao) but officially it's an accident. Then the Earth Alliance starts to gradually but unstoppably mutate into a dictatorship, and the next thing is the weird armband people start showing up to "help" the station maintain order, the propaganda starts to increase, and it's a weird gray zone which is fricking with everyone's senses of what is actually happening until it's happening very fast, and when they resist, the warships show up threatening to arrest them all.
Remember that episodes that takes place much later, and has a bunch of people rewriting history?
It's a debate program a few decades "later", like "Meet the Press", where every commentator has a different spin on what happened "back then", until grey-haired and ancient Sheridan bursts into the broadcast to call them all useless hacks and shills
It was delenn that showed up on the debate show. What the other anon was referring to was a time period hundreds of years later where another tyrannical earth government took over and attempted to make b5 evil.
They were traitors
TRUST THE CORPS
>That TV ad.
They were ahead of their time. Now you have Biden and the dems controlling the US and using the courts to try to silenceTrump while the media paints him as a cartoon villain.
B5 has a ton of space battles, good ones too. It's still "soft" sci-fi, but they do a good job of elevating battles beyond WW2 dogfights with space air, making use of 3D space and ships maintaining inertia. It mogs most space operas in this department.
This scene tops anything Deep Space 9 did.
>I thought it was about a space colony in a star trek Federation type civilization where they were technologically beyond any lesser races and thier wars.
Its exactly the opposite. Humans are least advanced and weakest of major powers.
>I thought the whole premise is they defeated the Minbari and were now feeling top dog of the galaxy!
Dunno is this bait or utter moronation. Mankind were spared from being genocided due to rather peculiar reasons in Earth-Minbari war.
Lost Tales fell thru because WB were being cheap as frick. The first part was pilot made with shoe string budget, on intention of doing bunch of straight to DVD episodes with decent budget. Basically acting talent were working bellow their usual rates, for the sake of the project. There is so few characters in it because you at least have to pay SAG minimum wages for actors. All CGI assets were kindly done by fans at PrepHole janitor wages, originally for Babylon5 mod for FreeSpace2, composition of CGI sequences were done by professionals. Basically reported budget for first installment was 2 million, given that it actually had some marketing behind it, actual filming budget was way bellow million and cheaper than most episodes of the show.
Only way that is going happen is AI upscaling. Be happy that you got full HD remaster with CGI footage AI upscaled from PAL tv source. WB managed to frick up archiving CGI masters. Were probably lucky that didn't manage to lose live action footage. Its funny because B5 was one of first shows that was shot for both full frame and widescreen in mind from the get go and it was shot in HD. They could have done CGI as HDTV in 90's at cost of electricity and leaving rendering running overnight. That didn't happen because WB didn't want to spend like 20k for bunch of wide screen HDTV monitors.
Ah, the Onslaught. Now THAT was a battleship!
Battleships nowadays have way too many useless bells and whistles that dont mean shit in a REAL engagement. Ill take some heavy armour and a burn drive over a fortress shield and energy """weapons""" any day
GTFO, lowtechgay. The Paragon outclasses the Onslaught any day of the fricking week. Two hundred cycles and still making debris fields out of every Onslaught the Hegemony throws at it.
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Battleships are gay.
>Why yes, i would like 30 top speed
Something no sane human being has ever said.
How about you get a hyperdrive, idiot. Incom blew everything out of the water with the T-65. Why have a carrier or close warp gate when you can just jump into battle yourself like a chad.
I hate Disney so fricking much. Imagine if they tried to make good content instead of woke trash.
Impossible, then we would have an entire fully animated series about the Knights of the Old Republic, animated / directed by Genndy Tartakovsky, and Dave Filoni as a tertiary lore advisor. Never gonna happen lol.
>I hate Disney so fricking much. Imagine if they tried to make good content instead of woke trash.
Just finished watching Rogue One and Andor S01 for the first time, the wokeism wasnt so bad?
Also those titanic explosions from firing the Death Star, holy shit. Awesome. I rewatched those a bunch of times after having finished the movie.
Andor is very good, and rogue one is okay. season 1 Mandalorian is somewhere in between those two. nothing else they made is even mediocre, it's all extremely shit
That's nice and all, but it's also from a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away.
This baby helped saved humanity on more than one occasion.
Kys starcuck
hello c**t
Step 1: Acquire ARC-170
Step 2: Install droid brain into rear tail guns
Step 3: Remodel interior into small space Winnebago
Step 4: ????
Step 5: profit
In love with you
I appreciate that Sheridan's answer to all his problems is to nuke them.
>Laura Ingalls Wilder NOOO!
Nuke 'em all Sheridan is the leader we need.
B5 got way better when Sheridan came
Fortuitous that the og captain, Sinclair, went schizo and had to be replaced
with a dozen 500 megaton fusion space mines no less, all strapped in the hold of his ship
UP YOURS
Kosh is a jerk.
For me, it's the Perseus
>when you finally get a quick interceptor after flying all the other Terran bricks up until that point
My man
The Loki manuevered pretty well too and went fast when you hit the burners, but didn't really have the missile capacity for big battles or the same top speed without afterburners.
I wish more games captured that feeling of being one fighter in the middle of a much bigger battlefield quite as well as Freespace did
>Ah, the SA-23 Starfury. Now THAT was a good fighter!
>read in Lando's voice
Doubt.
pity no one makes pc cases looking like old SGI stuff ..
Not weapons. Why don't you frick off from my /k/. We don't like your kind here.
Fictional weapons are still weapons.
>We don't like your kind here
Ironically one of the quotables from the bar scene in Star Wars .
>my /k/
Right okay well "your /k/" was posting threads about video games multiple times a week from the first month it was in operation.
B5 may be a masterpiece of writing and worldbuilding, but Farscape had frickable blue plant prostitutes.
And psycho nymph twiggies.
It also had Talyn.
Farscape girls were meh
Although blue plant girl is hot IRL out of costume iirc
Babylon 5 had some good ones
Commander Ivanova
Psy Corp blonde
New captain
Star trek too
Dr crusher in next gen
Roddenberry wife in the og star trek
Dax and dax 2
And a bunch of hot guest stars
Don't forget Roxanna!
The Narn were on the rise and the Centauri were a race in decline. At least according to the few episodes I watched.
What fricking happened?
Centauri made a deal with an Eldritch alien race.
Not a bad way to describe Mr. Morden and his 'associates'.
Thread had me go re-watch that scene from Space Above and Beyond where McQueen goes out after Chiggy Von Richtofen.
Lt. Col. Tyrus Cassius 'T.C.' McQueen With all due respect, I don't think our maker wants to hear from me right now, because he knows I'm going to go out into that sky in this plane and remove one of his creations from his universe and when I return I'm going to drink a bottle of scotch as if it were Chiggy von Richthofen's blood and celebrate his death.
Chaplain Amen.
Quite a bit, keep watching
The Narn were on the rise but starting from a very low point, the Centauri on the other-hand were a vast empire that had been slowly fading for a while and the decline was only getting worse.
The centauri also had help from beings older than our entire species.
Sure but the Narn would likely have lost anyway, just not as badly. Their pride stopped them admitting they were weaker.
The Narns got too spicy.
Like China on the rise and America is in decline
Until they FAFO
Is Babylon 5 the only sci-fi where space battles can end in surrender? I've literally never see it anywhere else.
You might be right. What happens in other shows is that one side retreats or suffers a catastrophic loss.
It's so weird how often battles seem to end with total annihilation, even when historically, people tend to raise the white flag or run when it's apparent they lost. Extermination of the enemy is rarely the actual military objective.
Order must be maintained or the Empire is doomed.
>Order
*terror, sorry. I probably fricked up the Metron quote, too.
If you'd like, we will kill them for you?
I don't know why but ive always been a fan of the sci fi idea of "space fighter that is far bigger then what is typical" like with the fury being near 70 meters long or the longsword basically having a full interior and is almost as large as a A320
>70 meters long
What's with the fricking wienerpit.
There are a billion different models of the fury interceptors that range in size from a mere 20m to 70m. That one is probably an in-between
don't forget the Starhawk bomber, thats the size of a modern naval destroyer!
Starhawks are honestly kinda scary with just how much firepower they pack into those "tiny" frames
melta charges abundant!
A Space PT boat makes a lot more sense than a Space Fighter.
Yeah, also small crews lend themselves to story telling easier. Ships like the rocinante or the hunter killers in the sten chronicles which are basically an engine and 4 60mt missiles and a handful of duel purpose interceptor missiles. Those things also had a Y-gun which was only described as a 'nuclear chaingun'
Remember the Nazi government that took over Earth for some reason? That shit was cringe.
you mean the government that collaborated with the Shadows?
Yeah, them. It’s unclear why an eldar race of ascended beings wanted Earth to be run by a despot, except shadows = le bad or something.
>Clarke
I didn’t understand his motivation aside from being le bad Nazi and sending propaganda artists to B5. I also liked how the human authorities of B5 could just casually give the finger to their own government.
The Shadow/ Vorlon wars were by proxy. Humans have psychics. Shadows are sensible to psychic warfare (see G' Quan and the last mind walkers). Do the math.
did you miss the whole point?
WHO ARE YOU
WHAT DO YOU WANT
the vorlons wanted to promote order, control, discipline through self knowledge, wisdom. to make the younger races better. to uplift them so they wouldn't be alone anymore.
the shadows wanted to promote strife and avarice, so that greed and chaos would make the younger races stronger, better, to uplift them so they wouldn't be alone anymore.
Yes, it was hilarious when Clark cauterized his brain.
Earth alliance ships are so cool
Love the "not quite there" tech level, hate the 700km weapons range.
Apparently these things are 1700m long. You could fit like 10 Nimitz-class supercarriers in the rotating centrifuge section ALONE. Yet, apparently, the crew is listed as being only 250-1000 people, which gives this thing the population density of some midwestern bumfrick town. This is another case of sci-fi ships just being too fricking goddamn big. What is all of this metal for exactly?
Space wheels are the dumbest sci-fi design ever, zero physics went into their design
The Excalibur is even bigger kek.
forgot image
When designing ships for my sci-fi setting, I set 300-400m long and 50-75m diameter as the rough standard for a typical destroyer/cruiser with about 1/8 of the internal volume being walkable (aka not vacuum/storage/machinery). By the standards of sci-fi, these are midsize ships with very little crew space. According to NASA, a crew member needs about 20 cubic meters of space to not go insane and start stabbing people with screwdrivers during a long mission, but I figured I'd quadruple that number to accomodate introverts and spergs. Even with all these limitations in place, I found that my ships would still need a crew in the ballpark of 1000 people to fill them up, when I figured that 40-80 would do the trick. This really made me realize, how even the "small" huge ships in SF, like the Galaxy-class which is mostly livable space, are absolutely fricking gargantuan and would feel practically empty with their stated crew complement, where you could walk for minutes and see nobody. And yet, compared to ships in B5 or Star Wars or Halo or 40K or Battlestar Galactica, the Galaxy-class is STILL a small ship. It would probably take you most of a year to visit every room in a Warlock class or a Star Destroyer, and you could probably work there your entire life and never meet half the staff.
Hilariously, 40K might have the most realistic depiction of these gigantic spaceships: mobile cities with cathedrals, red light districts, slums, gangs, civil wars, entire decks that end up forgotten, machines that people don't understand the purpose of, where people are born, live, and die, thinking their ship is the entire universe.
numbers and scales are hard to grasp. Writers are generally bad at them, since you have to be explicitly good at them not to screw it up.
I think 40k's absurdity often disarms people from the amount of thought and loving design that went into what appears to just be "every scifi property ever shoved in a blender". At least initially.
Same with whf.
Anyway they also did good but not feeling the need to specify and measure out everything. Battlefleet Gothic in particular would have been so much worse with any level of measurement they chose, but because they deliberately didn't it's got a much nicer sense of scale to it.
?also personally for muh oc space ships I think submarine crew/size ratios are a good starting point.
V'ger would have been far more interesting if it was actually crewed by a thousand people each ten miles tall like how McCoy speculated.
I love that Starfleet keept going smaller and by mid 2380´s thay had a ship with a crew of about 20... stil having an O-6 CO and O-5 XO.
>According to NASA, a crew member needs about 20 cubic meters of space
And how does this compare with the USN which has crewed ACTUAL ships and not pretend ones?
If only there was a difference between a ship where crew can go on deck and get fresh air or can get leave at various ports and a sealed tin can on a 9 month trip to Mars.
>40K might have the most realistic depiction of these gigantic spaceships: mobile cities with cathedrals, red light districts, slums, gangs, civil wars, entire decks that end up forgotten,
Turns out James Blish's 'Citys in Flight' was right all along.
the rotational section was originally going to be the hangar for launching starfuries like babylon 5 but they was too time consuming to animate so they canned that. the front was originally just going to be for retrieving ships and then the 2 big cannons on the front that they also didn't have money to animate. other than that, they made it insanely thick because the EA still relied entirely on armor while the minbari and centauri used some sort of basic energy shielding as the excuse but it was mostly just a cosmetic thing obviously. also all the red squares were missile launchers that were also cut
>the rotational section was originally going to be the hangar
why would you need gravity for a hangar? I assumed it was living quarters
They would use the centrifugal force to launch fighters (see B5 cobra bays).
Imp looks too small, non-Disney cannon has them at a crew of 35k. Don't know or care what Disney says they carry.
They have said its a mile long since original the original movie, petulant child.
STAR SHIP VELOCIRAPTOR, 100 LASER BLASTERS!
By the time we have space battles, all fighting will be decided within milliseconds by computers firing kinetic weapons well beyond visual range into the orbits of the enemy. I used to have a webm depicting it, but I seem to have lost it.
It won't be cool, it'll be waiting for 2 hours to see if you're going to get instantaneously shredded seemingly at random because their computer was faster than yours. Closer to submarine warfare than dogfighting.
Why does everything have to be so clean in space? Why can't I just pilot a rusty light freighter made of junk from other ships?
They added planets to build on in that game?
Yeah years ago man
the VF-1 with the space superiority bolt on gear will always be my favorite.
thrust vectoring owns the skies
I like how LOGH space fighters put emphasis on "space" and make no effort to be useful in atmosphere or look like an atmospheric fighter.
Or be useful in any regard at all.
Not even the best fricking Starfleet ship FFS.
seriously, as soon as they had invented the redonkulously HUEG and modular battleship excelsior they just should have made more and more of them.
The Excelsior class was in service for ~100 years, designs have their limits.
They did. They shit out those things like nobody's business.
They're still inferior to big daddy Ambassador.
Ah, the joys of TV budgets, that brought forth the paradox of ship classes in service well over a hundred years massively outnumbering twenty-something years old designs.
So we know there was a substantial buildup leading up to the Khitomer Accords and that Starfleet has various factions pushing for exploration and scientific programs over purely military programs. It's my head canon that they kept the Excelsiors they built, cancelled most of their other large warship programs, and kept building proven designs in blocks until losses mounted and technology pushed by the Cardassian and Tzenkethi wars.
Earth doesn't use money, but the Federation does (sorta, kinda), and there are real costs to building and manning large fleets. It's entirely possible that the Galaxy-class program was made possible by the invention of the replicator, effectively increasing their industrial capacity exponentially. It also helps that the Enterprise-D is almost entirely automated, lowering crewing requirements.
Yes, a massive buildup of forces pre-2293 [with an even greater needs reduction post 2311] is the most reasonable explanation.
Just find it funny for Starfleet to still be using "lost with all hands" Oberths for almost a century.
Oberths were designed as light-duty general purpose ships. The ones we see are all either on what should be low-risk missions or transports.
I wish we had gotten something closer to Probert's design for the Ambassador.
It needs more windows.
Yes
Impossible to make that kind of model in couple weeks they has as dead line for making the model and effects shots.
I think his design is the perfect midpoint between the Ambassador we got and the Galaxy, but the design we actually got feels like the apex of late-23rd century design.
then why did excelsior stay in service for forever whilst ambassador was tossed on the trash heap almost immediately?
Who said it was? They're essentially dreadnaughts. How often do we see that kind of fleet action in TNG?
They probably cut back on the number of Ambassadors ordered and put the effort into building more Excelsiors. They're out there, leading fleets, patrolling deep space, and guarding the home planets.
Ambassador studio model was made in like a week. They used it twice for shooting effects and even then they had to modify it to keep it together for second time. Excelsior studio model was built for high budget movie with no time or imposing budget constraints.
I have to reread the Ringworld series.
Ringworld, the Man/Kzin wars, and many others are from the "Known Space" series: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Known_Space
One of the books, "Tales from Known Space" has the backstory, which I don't think is fully told in any of the main books. It's pretty cool though.
Millions of years before any of the species in the books existed, there was a species that developed mind control. They were otherwise very primitive - I don't even think they had fire. An explorer from a spacefaring race lands on their planet ...and is immediately mind controlled and turned into a slave.
The mind control race (hereafter called, "slavers") recognize the implications of there being whole planets of beings with no defense against mind control. So they have their first slave fly them to a planet, they enslave everyone, then on to the next planet.
They conquer the whole galaxy before anyone even knows what's happening. This happens 3 billion years ago. They rule uncontested for more than a billion years.
Their big problem though, is that when they're mind-controlling a slave, the slave isn't that creative. So they have to periodically, temporarily grant freedom to individuals in order to make them invent stuff or repair stuff, or manage stuff.
One particularly inventive race is held as slaves, but used to build stuff, and they work carefully, slowly, over literally millions of years, to put a plan into place to revolt - because if they just outright revolt, the slavers will mind control them and kill them.
When the revolt finally happens, the slavers are so dependent on them running things in their un-mind-controlled state, that they can't survive without them. But what they can do is order every sentient species on every planet in the entire galaxy to commit suicide - which they do.
This always reminded me a bit of Halo, with its galaxy-wide weapons of mass destruction.
Thx for the recap. I'll get 'round to it. I think I first read 'Neutron Star' in '78(?).
Halo was inspired by it. Also it's canon to Star Trek.
Reminder that a cube is the greatest form for a space ship
Postwar West and East German sci-fiction were wild because they actually did care about high level sci-fi concepts instead of the USA in space formula series like Star Trek.
Perry Rhodan casually did Matrix decades before the gay trans sisters in a way more interesting way.
I beg to differ.
<reeeeeeeeeeeee telepathically>
I prefer big purple dildos.
>Reminder that a cube is the greatest form for a space ship
It must be said.
Mogged by the Gunstar both aesthetically and functionally.
Remember that starhomosexuals were a failed death trap, but ONE Gunstar piloted by an old man and a novice gunner took out an entire fleet.
Based Catharine Mary Stewart '80's hair appreciator.
Victory-or-death pilled
Does /k/ prefer
>ships with no visible weapon emplacements
>ships with lots of small but still visible weapons
>ships with typical WW1/WW2 gun proportions
>ships that are guns
ships that can stow the entire flight deck
I love the gun ship ship gun
Mix of all of it. A typical military ship should generally be obvious and intimidating but also look deceptively weaker than it is having a lot of tricks up it's sleeve. "Tricks" like hidden turrets, hidden missile bays, and maybe even a big ass spinal mount. No more than 50% of weaponry should be easily visible outside of battle. Only the heaviest hitters would be all visible all the time. Ships that if they're present it might as well already be over because of the obscene firepower they come with.
Unless it's a capital ship, the deployment of which should in and of itself be the diplomatic equivalent of a thermonuclear warhead, which, respectively, should bristle with firepower bow to stern.
human ships in halo are pretty close to peak design imho
Hey, you guys look like nerds so maybe you can help me out. What are these black round things in this F-4 wienerpit? I was thinking some kind of fuze but there are loads of regular fuzes all around so I don't get it
Tiny incandescent lights that light up the text on the panel when its dark.
Cheers
Nip nips
>this thread
Ever now and again /k/ redeems itself. Thank you all.
Naturally. You're very welcome, fren.
I like these uniforms the best.
Mollari for Emperor!
i watched up until a few episodes into season 2. does it get good later on?
Yes. There's a reason it is still discussed till this day. Season 2 to 4 are fantastic.
some homosexual troonyjannymod just disallowed PDF uploads
Wrong board
wait. so /k/ isn't even allowed to share dissembly and cleaning Manuals etc for firearms and shit like that?
/k/ isn't allowed to share their nations various manuals of land warfare? and crap like that? all the survival manuals on how to purify water etc, disallowed? what homosexual mod thought that up?
Use catbox
>be paranoid schizophrenic
>everyone around me is an alien
Jesus...
Think he might have been losing it while filming the Battle of the Line.
Jerry Doyle (Garibaldi) spent years thrashing him for what he thought was O'Hare's being a creep to the actress that played Talia. Even going so far as to refuse to be in any scene with him when they filmed the conclusion to the Babylon 4 plot in Season 3. JMS really stayed true to his word not to tell a soul until O'Hare's passing. Pretty sad stuff.
Since at the time he was married to the actress playing Talia irl that isn't much of a surprise. Being a full on crazy person that belongs in a mental asylum is no excuse.
Nah he wasn't married to her during season 1. And it's interesting to think that Doyle spent all those years thinking that his ultimatum (he's quitting unless O'Hare is fired) was why they replaced Sinclair. When they were willing to pause the entire production and risk cancellation just so O'Hare could get treated.
Doyal left the show for his own treatment, so hypocrite?
>you're not the one
>zathra
How many racoons died for Zathra?
You mean for Za'thras?
Thank you. It has been many yrs since watching in rerun. God bless Comet channel! But yes, not to be confused with Zathura, which flopped hard.
>Comet channel
Currently playing Stargate: SG1 everyday.. for the last decade... they finally took Buffy off.
I wonder id SG1 is better than B5?
B5 is better but SG1 is more comfy.
I always felt Commandee Sinclair was more dignified and a better leader than dorkface minbary fricker.
I think you are confusing dignified with wooden acting. Best thing that ever happen to the show was his exit.
Dude was trying to act while being actually hallucinating so the show didn´t fold then and there.
>Best thing that ever happen to the show was his return.
He was always The One.