The smaller bows aren't worth it. If you know anything about bows, you'll know they're hitting nowhere near hard enough to be relied upon for anything more than small game. The Siege is the only one of these repeaters you could trust to drop someone, because it's got sufficient FPS to make up for the lack of projectile weight.
They don't. Not "fine" enough to stop someone quickly unless you get lucky. He makes three grades of repeaters, and only the top hits what you'd call the minimum for even something like Deer. A single shallow stab would is not going to save you, odds are, or stop someone from getting their hands on you as you reload.
I dont know if you know this but Gel is a really, really bad equivalent to meat and clothes when you're using arrows. Gel is used for bullets because it gives consistent performance with them, but with arrows, it's performance varies wildly from meat.
One arrow that will punch straight through a brown bear's trunk will stop shallow in Gel, another will cut two, or three, or even four times deeper in gel than it will in flesh and bone.
The standard is "if it wouldn't punch a hole through the torso at close range if it didn't hit bone, it's not sufficient". Joerg never tests against meat with multiple layers of clothing. He's fine to have fun and do funny tests on his funny channel, but a discussion of self defense is completely different.
They don't. Not "fine" enough to stop someone quickly unless you get lucky. He makes three grades of repeaters, and only the top hits what you'd call the minimum for even something like Deer. A single shallow stab would is not going to save you, odds are, or stop someone from getting their hands on you as you reload.
I dont know if you know this but Gel is a really, really bad equivalent to meat and clothes when you're using arrows. Gel is used for bullets because it gives consistent performance with them, but with arrows, it's performance varies wildly from meat.
One arrow that will punch straight through a brown bear's trunk will stop shallow in Gel, another will cut two, or three, or even four times deeper in gel than it will in flesh and bone.
The standard is "if it wouldn't punch a hole through the torso at close range if it didn't hit bone, it's not sufficient". Joerg never tests against meat with multiple layers of clothing. He's fine to have fun and do funny tests on his funny channel, but a discussion of self defense is completely different.
>They work fine if you use broadheads.
450g and over single bevel will do the trick just fine, velocity is strictly a QOL flat trajectory feature with little bearing on terminal performance
Jorg's delivery something significantly better than nothing in jurisdictions that would prefer to see you and yours macheted by aliens from thousands of miles away than practice your inalienable and absolute right to self-defense.
I'd say with the right arrowhead or just a proper steel spike for penetration you have a lethal weapon, if it can poke 2-4 inches into someone it can kill them.
I stopped watching that homosexual once it was proven true that he stole a design from a fellow /k/ommando and then blocked everyone who asked about it.
it was his semi automatic bow or some shit from several years ago. >anon comes here pissed and screaming about how Joerg stole his design >obviously no one believes him >he posts emails and conversations he had with Joerg where he sent his design to him to get advice on how to improve it >Joerg acts really impressed with the design and then blocks all communication with anon >posts video out of nowhere like two weeks later of it being completed and says he came up with the idea by himself and had been working on it for a year or something.
The spec sheet the anon posted matched exactly what he sent to Joerg and what Joerg built.
For a hot minute he was blocking all people that asked him about it.
it was his semi automatic bow or some shit from several years ago. >anon comes here pissed and screaming about how Joerg stole his design >obviously no one believes him >he posts emails and conversations he had with Joerg where he sent his design to him to get advice on how to improve it >Joerg acts really impressed with the design and then blocks all communication with anon >posts video out of nowhere like two weeks later of it being completed and says he came up with the idea by himself and had been working on it for a year or something.
The spec sheet the anon posted matched exactly what he sent to Joerg and what Joerg built.
For a hot minute he was blocking all people that asked him about it.
>just trust me bro
lol
2 months ago
Anonymous
where did I say that, you strawmanning moron?
I gave my reasoning for not watching him and said nothing more until someone asked me the specifics.
holy frick you are dumb.
What an actual moron, I mean the designer not Joerg >yeah let me just send my entire design that isn't copyrighted or protected in any way to some random jackoff in hopes that he'll help me for free! >jackoff steals idea >surprised pickachu face
I just read the thread and you're so full of shit your eyes are brown.
[...]
nta but found it
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/43240584 >you can have it man
lmfao
thanks i guess for the read, turbosperg/10
tldr: sperg makes this cross bow
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastraphetes for the thousandth time in history, claims allegiance to reddit, wants a personal army to attack that slingshot guy, posts his real name, claims it as his own design, then proceeds to sperg out on everyone trying to help him be not so moronic, even those assuming his innocence. It's also an impossibly small development time to make a product. >He acted passive aggressive and was treated with regular aggressive
>Uses israelite-Ls >thinks a thirty percent increase in energy isn't significant >Thinks energy is the only thing you need to compare about arrows
Noguns nobow eurotrash detected.
Frick off gay.
NTA but that's actually a big difference, and on top of that there's more to arrow impact than energy.
From a quick google search, the Siege arrows are heavier, and longer (rather than say, wider).
https://gogun.co/collections/cobra-siege/products/magazine-compatible-arrows-for-cobra-siege-10-pack
https://gogun.co/products/pack-of-10-arrows-for-cobra-adder?_pos=1&_psq=adder+ar&_ss=e&_v=1.0
225 grain vs 190 is not a small difference, particularly when the weight gain is translated to length, rather than diameter. A 15% difference in sectional density, higher momentum, and a 30% increase in energy can lead to a very dramatic difference in penetration, especially since we're dealing with something that isn't remotely likely to deform on impact. It would not be shocking to see twice the penetration out of the siege adder against flesh.
I love this guys channel but I wouldn't buy any of that garbage lol. It's just like watching your redneck uncle do fun shit in the backyard. The products might be okay for hunting squirrel, maybe, I guess but they're completely useless otherwise. >picture unrelated
One time MOOT pinned a webm to every board of an Asian with a giant seahorse shaped wiener piece on and maybe a foil hat, can't recall. He was in his apartment turning about and knocking stuff over, looked real agitated. I've never found it sense but definitely gave that vibe your talking about. >picture unrelated
Well, if you can't have a firearm or medieval weaponry, get a regular old hardware store hammer and a tool belt to holster it in. In the US, more people die from hammers every year then from AR-15's, despite what the media would have you believe. You can use the tool belt to pose for gay pictures.
You can also pick out a nice long handled garden tool to modify in a SHTF scenario, maybe one of those 3 pronged rake things and then hammer it flat if things get too rough, into a trident when things get too tough. You can pose like Aquaman. Take your shirt off and look a little weird and poor. Make sure to look poor. Nobody will frick with you.
First and foremost you should be trying to go through whatever process exists to get a firearm, no matter how gay it is or how restricted the type of gun is.
I'm not actually the first poster you were responding to. Though I would point out that if you had to defend yourself with a crossbow, you'd want a stronger one rather than a weaker one.
Which country are you from? We'll look at your specific options.
NTA but that's actually a big difference, and on top of that there's more to arrow impact than energy.
From a quick google search, the Siege arrows are heavier, and longer (rather than say, wider).
https://gogun.co/collections/cobra-siege/products/magazine-compatible-arrows-for-cobra-siege-10-pack
https://gogun.co/products/pack-of-10-arrows-for-cobra-adder?_pos=1&_psq=adder+ar&_ss=e&_v=1.0
225 grain vs 190 is not a small difference, particularly when the weight gain is translated to length, rather than diameter. A 15% difference in sectional density, higher momentum, and a 30% increase in energy can lead to a very dramatic difference in penetration, especially since we're dealing with something that isn't remotely likely to deform on impact. It would not be shocking to see twice the penetration out of the siege adder against flesh.
I have a disability which won't make me pass the test to own a license. Now what? Why isn't a reloading crossbow better than nothing?
Don't explain it to him. If he's worthy, he'll understand.
>why should I buy this instead of Cobra Addrer v3
I had a regular cobra rx and that shit was already bulky, I would buy a regular adder over the v3. But I would probably buy the interceptor, it seems to be light and ergonomic and I will mostly shoot it in my backyard.
Everytime I see a moron with a gun I rest calmly knowing that knife people are infinitely worse in their homosexualry and will always make us look good by comparison.
these fancy xbows use proprietary ammo. given that models go obsolete within a couple of years you need to either stock up on the initial purchase or be able to make new ones yourself. if stocking up you will spend the same on ammo as the xbow
the siege claims to not need a bowpress which is the only practical development in recent memory
since airbows got declared illegal in the uk, I am back to aiming for an f1 lancehead (picrel)
mainly the torsion propulsion, it just appeals. i am so surprised not to see a mk 2 version
it's possible to change cables yourself too. sure there are amazingly narrow limbed xbows out there but maintenance fees are outlandish. i would mostly be target practicing so every shot is a shot closer to paying out
>these fancy xbows use proprietary ammo
false, the use regular pistol crossbow bolts you can buy in bulk in aliexpress. The Adder uses propietary bolts, but they got so popular that you can buy chink knockoffs.
>German commenter on Ians post shitting and pissing himself because showing germans how to craft legal weapons somehow enables nazis in his mind
I hate how cucked this nation has become
Like 60-80% of actual germans are descendents from Nazis, that's just how it works.
t. German with a grandpa that was a soviet PoW and levelled some russian villages as an SS armored division engineer (According to his stories, no idea what unit etc he was in, never bothered to look into it)
>scope
you dont need that type of scope for this tool if your goal is faster shooting , more bolts and general utility
>arrows
man these are way too light and have the wrong head to be useful
>crossbow design
if quick fire on short range is the goal why not build a gas or air system and use more then 1 string(easier said then done) for it if you already go full gimmick ? i would atleast tweak the design ro give it a bit more power and make the arrows a bit bigger.
id pick the siege over this any day as beyond fun this one defeats the purpose of crossbows while making the benefits way too shallow
his point in general is to make weapons that are effective but don't have any german weapon laws apply to them. he gets really gimmicky with it and even asks the german atf (which is actually only f) to make sure his stuff is still barely legal without special licences.
soo i don't know all german weapon laws by heart despite legally shooting in this cucked country but i'm pretty sure a gas system would make it officially an actual weapon and not a sporting device like a bow or a sort-of-weapon any adult can own like a crossbow.
his point in general is to make weapons that are effective but don't have any german weapon laws apply to them. he gets really gimmicky with it and even asks the german atf (which is actually only f) to make sure his stuff is still barely legal without special licences.
soo i don't know all german weapon laws by heart despite legally shooting in this cucked country but i'm pretty sure a gas system would make it officially an actual weapon and not a sporting device like a bow or a sort-of-weapon any adult can own like a crossbow.
also regarding arrows: don't be mistaken, he IS a shill and he DOES want to sell you as much stuff as possible so there's usually a variety of arrows for each product, with light and easily removable ones for practice.
I was gonna make a thread like "The weapons of Jörg Sprave" one of these days, but now you've gone and added weird eceleb cancer, why?
The smaller bows aren't worth it. If you know anything about bows, you'll know they're hitting nowhere near hard enough to be relied upon for anything more than small game. The Siege is the only one of these repeaters you could trust to drop someone, because it's got sufficient FPS to make up for the lack of projectile weight.
They work fine if you use broadheads. You don't need much force when you're firing literal knives at your opponent.
They don't. Not "fine" enough to stop someone quickly unless you get lucky. He makes three grades of repeaters, and only the top hits what you'd call the minimum for even something like Deer. A single shallow stab would is not going to save you, odds are, or stop someone from getting their hands on you as you reload.
I dont know if you know this but Gel is a really, really bad equivalent to meat and clothes when you're using arrows. Gel is used for bullets because it gives consistent performance with them, but with arrows, it's performance varies wildly from meat.
One arrow that will punch straight through a brown bear's trunk will stop shallow in Gel, another will cut two, or three, or even four times deeper in gel than it will in flesh and bone.
The standard is "if it wouldn't punch a hole through the torso at close range if it didn't hit bone, it's not sufficient". Joerg never tests against meat with multiple layers of clothing. He's fine to have fun and do funny tests on his funny channel, but a discussion of self defense is completely different.
He does do some tests with meat, bone, and t-shirt
You guys go overboard with this "not enough to stop them" shit
You're not a hunter and you've never fired a lethal weapon in your life so shut the frick up.
Woah buddy, that's a lot of hostility.
You shut up
>*Comes to weapon forum*
>uhhh is dis a good weapon??
>"No, it doesnt penetrate enough"
>U gais are weird!!!!!!
Go back where you came from.
>Thinks penetration is the only thing that matters
Buh bye
>If you point out a shitty weapon doesn't have enough penetration, you think it's ALL THAT MATTERS!!!1!
You argue like a woman, gay.
>They work fine if you use broadheads.
450g and over single bevel will do the trick just fine, velocity is strictly a QOL flat trajectory feature with little bearing on terminal performance
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsLRIsmsaiq6sOly2McM3dE9n6P_97DwM
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsLRIsmsaiq629Kv-45AaFX-1X7gH_1To
Jorg's delivery something significantly better than nothing in jurisdictions that would prefer to see you and yours macheted by aliens from thousands of miles away than practice your inalienable and absolute right to self-defense.
>velocity is strictly a QOL flat trajectory feature with little bearing on terminal performance
I've never heard anything so moronic in my life.
I'd say with the right arrowhead or just a proper steel spike for penetration you have a lethal weapon, if it can poke 2-4 inches into someone it can kill them.
Anon you know knives of that length, and longer, are famous for NOT stopping people quickly enough to not get stabbed, right?
I stopped watching that homosexual once it was proven true that he stole a design from a fellow /k/ommando and then blocked everyone who asked about it.
Story?
it was his semi automatic bow or some shit from several years ago.
>anon comes here pissed and screaming about how Joerg stole his design
>obviously no one believes him
>he posts emails and conversations he had with Joerg where he sent his design to him to get advice on how to improve it
>Joerg acts really impressed with the design and then blocks all communication with anon
>posts video out of nowhere like two weeks later of it being completed and says he came up with the idea by himself and had been working on it for a year or something.
The spec sheet the anon posted matched exactly what he sent to Joerg and what Joerg built.
For a hot minute he was blocking all people that asked him about it.
do you have any proof at all
no, and I don't expect you to believe me or care. I'm just saying I don't watch the eurohomosexuals videos anymore.
>just trust me bro
lol
where did I say that, you strawmanning moron?
I gave my reasoning for not watching him and said nothing more until someone asked me the specifics.
holy frick you are dumb.
What an actual moron, I mean the designer not Joerg
>yeah let me just send my entire design that isn't copyrighted or protected in any way to some random jackoff in hopes that he'll help me for free!
>jackoff steals idea
>surprised pickachu face
>surprised pickachu face
You are supposed to finish with a >mfw and post an actual reaction image.
>ackshually
have a nice day reddit Black person
Nta but I just wanna say I believe you anon. I am good at spotting lies and this doesn't read like a lie.
Jews and their abandoned bastard children the Germans are the most evil, wicked, spiteful creatures on earth
I would sacrifice myself and my whole family just to erase these shit smears from the human gene pool foreve
nta but found it
https://desuarchive.org/k/thread/43240584
>you can have it man
lmfao
Adding to this
https://desuarchive.org/k/search/image/vMs-j0CWQfR0YuzOiX9VJg/
Already gave it up for free less than a month before that post
Interesting.
Pump crossbows have existed since forever, reddit anon is a fricking moron
who the frick cares. he made it happen whereas everyone else only had vague ideas. It’s a doggy dog world
Yeah, as expected of a moronic sperg, he blew it completely out of proportion.
I just read the thread and you're so full of shit your eyes are brown.
thanks i guess for the read, turbosperg/10
tldr: sperg makes this cross bow
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gastraphetes for the thousandth time in history, claims allegiance to reddit, wants a personal army to attack that slingshot guy, posts his real name, claims it as his own design, then proceeds to sperg out on everyone trying to help him be not so moronic, even those assuming his innocence. It's also an impossibly small development time to make a product.
>He acted passive aggressive and was treated with regular aggressive
why should I buy this instead of Cobra Addrer v3
Both are weak as shit, it's the Siege adder or nothing.
>Siege adder 70J
>Adder v3 50J
I beg to differ. Also, how do I reload the Siege?
>Uses israelite-Ls
>thinks a thirty percent increase in energy isn't significant
>Thinks energy is the only thing you need to compare about arrows
Noguns nobow eurotrash detected.
Frick off gay.
Yeah, I'm an eurogay so I can't afforda a 50 BMG for home defense.
NTA but that's actually a big difference, and on top of that there's more to arrow impact than energy.
From a quick google search, the Siege arrows are heavier, and longer (rather than say, wider).
https://gogun.co/collections/cobra-siege/products/magazine-compatible-arrows-for-cobra-siege-10-pack
https://gogun.co/products/pack-of-10-arrows-for-cobra-adder?_pos=1&_psq=adder+ar&_ss=e&_v=1.0
225 grain vs 190 is not a small difference, particularly when the weight gain is translated to length, rather than diameter. A 15% difference in sectional density, higher momentum, and a 30% increase in energy can lead to a very dramatic difference in penetration, especially since we're dealing with something that isn't remotely likely to deform on impact. It would not be shocking to see twice the penetration out of the siege adder against flesh.
I love this guys channel but I wouldn't buy any of that garbage lol. It's just like watching your redneck uncle do fun shit in the backyard. The products might be okay for hunting squirrel, maybe, I guess but they're completely useless otherwise.
>picture unrelated
What do I buy for when Black folk will raid my house in SHTF? I live in EU so I'm cucked out of firearms.
A spear
>bangs against walls, furniture, etc
Spearcucks just cant help themselves huh.
One time MOOT pinned a webm to every board of an Asian with a giant seahorse shaped wiener piece on and maybe a foil hat, can't recall. He was in his apartment turning about and knocking stuff over, looked real agitated. I've never found it sense but definitely gave that vibe your talking about.
>picture unrelated
Well, if you can't have a firearm or medieval weaponry, get a regular old hardware store hammer and a tool belt to holster it in. In the US, more people die from hammers every year then from AR-15's, despite what the media would have you believe. You can use the tool belt to pose for gay pictures.
You can also pick out a nice long handled garden tool to modify in a SHTF scenario, maybe one of those 3 pronged rake things and then hammer it flat if things get too rough, into a trident when things get too tough. You can pose like Aquaman. Take your shirt off and look a little weird and poor. Make sure to look poor. Nobody will frick with you.
First and foremost you should be trying to go through whatever process exists to get a firearm, no matter how gay it is or how restricted the type of gun is.
I have a disability which won't make me pass the test to own a license. Now what? Why isn't a reloading crossbow better than nothing?
I'm not actually the first poster you were responding to. Though I would point out that if you had to defend yourself with a crossbow, you'd want a stronger one rather than a weaker one.
Which country are you from? We'll look at your specific options.
Shitaly
Don't explain it to him. If he's worthy, he'll understand.
if you get murdered just use the free healthcare you never shut the frick up about
>I live in EU so I'm cucked out of firearms
That's just not a thing unless you live in no-gun Netherlands or something
>why should I buy this instead of Cobra Addrer v3
I had a regular cobra rx and that shit was already bulky, I would buy a regular adder over the v3. But I would probably buy the interceptor, it seems to be light and ergonomic and I will mostly shoot it in my backyard.
Everytime I see a moron with a gun I rest calmly knowing that knife people are infinitely worse in their homosexualry and will always make us look good by comparison.
I'm trying to find a good carrier for these mags, they seem to be as Big as .50cal
What is this guy's accent?
European
ze german
Example of him speaking normally
these fancy xbows use proprietary ammo. given that models go obsolete within a couple of years you need to either stock up on the initial purchase or be able to make new ones yourself. if stocking up you will spend the same on ammo as the xbow
the siege claims to not need a bowpress which is the only practical development in recent memory
since airbows got declared illegal in the uk, I am back to aiming for an f1 lancehead (picrel)
>lancehead
Why? High end crossbows aren't all that wide, and they can have almost 150FPS gains over that model.
mainly the torsion propulsion, it just appeals. i am so surprised not to see a mk 2 version
it's possible to change cables yourself too. sure there are amazingly narrow limbed xbows out there but maintenance fees are outlandish. i would mostly be target practicing so every shot is a shot closer to paying out
>these fancy xbows use proprietary ammo
false, the use regular pistol crossbow bolts you can buy in bulk in aliexpress. The Adder uses propietary bolts, but they got so popular that you can buy chink knockoffs.
dumb homosexual trying to get into the EU government because they're selling weapons, and he thought he could sell weapons to ukraine and israel.
>German commenter on Ians post shitting and pissing himself because showing germans how to craft legal weapons somehow enables nazis in his mind
I hate how cucked this nation has become
Post it
As I recall it, Jörg is directly descended from a nazi and he made a video about it like "it's a shame, this knife is pretty cool tho"
So it's not like a random sideswipe like this will affect him in any way.
Like 60-80% of actual germans are descendents from Nazis, that's just how it works.
t. German with a grandpa that was a soviet PoW and levelled some russian villages as an SS armored division engineer (According to his stories, no idea what unit etc he was in, never bothered to look into it)
>scope
you dont need that type of scope for this tool if your goal is faster shooting , more bolts and general utility
>arrows
man these are way too light and have the wrong head to be useful
>crossbow design
if quick fire on short range is the goal why not build a gas or air system and use more then 1 string(easier said then done) for it if you already go full gimmick ? i would atleast tweak the design ro give it a bit more power and make the arrows a bit bigger.
id pick the siege over this any day as beyond fun this one defeats the purpose of crossbows while making the benefits way too shallow
his point in general is to make weapons that are effective but don't have any german weapon laws apply to them. he gets really gimmicky with it and even asks the german atf (which is actually only f) to make sure his stuff is still barely legal without special licences.
soo i don't know all german weapon laws by heart despite legally shooting in this cucked country but i'm pretty sure a gas system would make it officially an actual weapon and not a sporting device like a bow or a sort-of-weapon any adult can own like a crossbow.
also regarding arrows: don't be mistaken, he IS a shill and he DOES want to sell you as much stuff as possible so there's usually a variety of arrows for each product, with light and easily removable ones for practice.