What would be the outcome of Russia using tactical nukes? Let's lay out the best-case and worst-case scenarios.
Advantages of Russia using tactical nukes
What would be the outcome of Russia using tactical nukes? Let's lay out the best-case and worst-case scenarios.
No more Russia
No more anyone. It wouldn't be an instant thing, but weather it takes a chain of events that takes days or hours or we just instantly fully retaliate, one side will see the other launching a full attack and will respond in kind. Tens if not hundreds of millions will die in the detnations, a lot more from the fallout, and virtually everyone else is going to starve to death in short order. Animals and plants too, the entire ecosystem is going to totally collapse.
A few people may survive, completely unimportant places like parts of africa or shit like that may retain relatively intact enough to be self sufficient long enough for the worst of the radiation to wear off and earth to start (the very slow) process of healing. But the world as we know it, and every single current authority bigger than 'the tribal elders', will stop existing within roughly twenty minutes of full on nuclear war.
You guys laugh about it, joke about it, act like you can't wait for it to happen. I just remember the 80s, knowing it can all end at any second and they probably won't even bother to tell us it's coming, and all I can think is I really don't give two shits what happens to Ukraine.
well i guess we'd better hope russia doesn't nuke anything then! but in the event they do, we should nuke them.
In the event they do nothing matters. It's the end. It will not be cinematic.
Here’s what will happen, Russia will continue to slowly and methodically wear Ukraine down until all the aid runs out and then they’ll take the country. It won’t be exciting, nukes won’t be involved, lots and lots of people will die. It’s a war of attrition.
>until all the aid runs out
Aid has increased month after month. Much unlike the Russian population.
>Aid has increased month after month.
In America, with more and more people vocally questioning when we are going to stop sending ever increasing sums of money and more advanced weapons. Maybe not any time in the immediate future, but no anon that shit is not going to last forever.
>Much unlike the Russian population.
Increasing a hell of a lot faster than the Ukrainian population.
>we
Yes, here in Ohio oblast we support defending Donetsk children!
>In America, with more and more people vocally questioning when we are going to stop sending ever increasing sums of money and more advanced weapons.
I don't see that happen. The only ones against aiding Ukraine are fringe elements of the Republican party. The same ones that believe in lizard people and vaccines making gay kids trans frogs.
Additionally the aid also comes from the UK, Germany and Poland. The US is the most important nation, but others will keep supporting Ukraine essentially forever.
>that shit is not going to last forever.
In the US? Maybe. Lets see who lasts longer though. The western military industrial complex or Russia, a nation with the GDP of Spain.
So far the west won every single economic war of that kind, and against much bigger foes too.
>Increasing a hell of a lot faster than the Ukrainian population.
In what world is the Russian population increasing? Russkiy mir?
>a nation with the GDP of Spain
A nation with GDP of New York City.
>In what world is the Russian population increasing? Russkiy mir?
The one where Ukraine is losing three to five times as many men and half the women fled to poland.
So the fantasy world of RT? Cause these ain't Ukrainians.
How would this make russian population increase? This was your original statement.
They are also fleeing to Russia, though not in as great of numbers.
Haven't all the dumbass children already fled by now? Because regular Ukrainians sure as hell aren't fleeing Ukraine into russia at this point.
>to stop sending ever increasing sums of money and more advanced weapons
We're mostly giving them our soon to be outdated and obsolete weapons and spending basically no money to do so since we already bought and paid for the damn things years ago. This isn't a donation, it's an attempt to get some more value for our money since these things were made to fight in a war and they'd just expire on a warehouse somewhere if we didn't send them.
For just the low low additional price of international shipping these weapons get to do the thing they were built to do, kill Russians, and they get to do so without having to risk a single American life.
Very moronic ignorant Carl Sagan nuclear winter myth take
Assuming that the combined nuclear arsenals of the world were targeted at each other to maximize casualties (something that would never happen because nukes are intended to target enemy nuclear launch sites, which are very far away from population centers, first and infrastructure, military targets, and government facilties second) you would be extremely lucky to get 2 billion kills (assuming one of those nukes targets the Three Gorges Dam and successfully drowns 600 million Chinese). Almost the entire southern hemisphere with the possible exception of Australia and sub-equatorial India would not even notice anything happening since the entire arsenals are directed at the USA, Western Europe, Russia, China, and Japan. That's 4 or 5 billion people whose life basically doesn't change at all after nuclear holocaust.
A more realistic scenario for a nuclear exchange sees tens of millions dead, plus change from supply line interruptions causing starvation and epidemic in the worst affected areas. Terrible, but nothing insuperable; the World Wars each had tens of millions dead, as did the Black Death of 1348-49. Significantly, the only two places ever to suffer an atomic cleansing in real life - Nagasaki and Hiroshima - recovered within a few decades. And you expect the rest of the world to keel over and die because Americans lose their television service from an EMP?
Removing the interstate highway system in America would result in 30 million people starving to death in 30 to 45 days. Most of them in cities which would turn into Thunderdomes as people fought over the scraps, on the upside at least we would get rid of all the pit bulls. Most of the food America eats is trucked in. The interior of the country would fair better than the coasts. New York and LA would be total loses.
>New York and LA would be total loses.
oh noooooo....whatever will we dooooo....
Throw a parade?
Absolutely moronic. For a start that assumes that no federal level disaster relief would be available, despite FEMA prepping for this exact eventuality for 40 fricking years.
Secondly, starvation in 30-45 days is unrealistically quick. That would assume that nobody had any calories from day 0 which is also highly unrealistic. Americans are fat as frick generally, they'll last a long time off stored body fat before starting to starve.
Your assumption of mad max style thunderdome happenings flies in the face of human behaviour, where what we have observed during serious happenings, around the world, is that people help each other more, not less. Our entire species is based on the idea of cooperation for mutual self interest. Somehow that bone level instinctual response is going to be chucked out? Time and again we see that hoarders our the minority in survival situations.
Thirdly, it doesn't account for the actions of local authorities taking control of local distribution networks to ensure that a majority of people have access to an amount of calories everyday. And those local authorities WILL be backed up by the local communities. Because of the instinctual response to emergencies and enlightedned self interest that are the bedrock of the human psyche.
It's interesting to talk to hardcore survivalists because this shit is like a religion to them. As much as you try to demonstrate to them with studies and evidence and observations of disasters they will never be open to the idea that everyone won't immediately start freaking out and go into lone wolf survival mode, a very uncommon mode of survival.
>Your assumption of mad max style thunderdome happenings flies in the face of human behaviour, where what we have observed during serious happenings, around the world, is that people help each other more, not less. Our entire species is based on the idea of cooperation for mutual self interest.
This is what 90% of people LARPing on this site do not and will never understand, is that humans are social creatures.
Ahh yes, the old "I don't know how radiation works" argument. It spreads you fricking idiot. On the wind, in the water, raining down as fallout. The bombs don't kill everyone. The radiation kills the plants and the animals, including the fish and micro-organisms. The eco-system collapses, nearly everyone on earth that didn't die in the actual bombing, or of the resulting radiation, eventually starves to death as their food or their foods food does.
Radiation is a minimal- to non-concern for modern nuclear weapons, which are expressly designed to minimize radioactive fallout through air-burst to maximize the concussive blast and heat wave (not to be confused with the fireball) which causes the greatest amount of damage. Radioactive fallout is a result of the nuclear fireball from the explosion coming into contact with soil and launching it into the atmosphere; the radius of gamma-burst radiation through the air from a modern nuclear detonation varies between about 90-300 meters, and if you're under a thousand feet away from a nuclear bomb exploding, radiation is going to be the least of your concerns.
Keep in mind, the above-ground testing of Nuclear bombs at Los Alamos and elsewhere DID explode right next to the earth and launched tons of radioactive particulate into the atmosphere as some of the dirtiest nuclear detonations ever committed, on American soil, within a few hundred miles of millions of Americans. And yet, somehow, America and Americans still exist, and have not all died out from radioactive fallout.
why would gamma photons travel less distance than visible light photons? please explain
you know you're getting hit with gamma photons all the time right, there just aren't that many of them
they disperse as you get farther away from the blast and the radius where it's dangerous is smaller than the radius where the thermal (infrared and visible light) and blast shockwaves are dangerous
this isn't true for VERY small bombs
Yes and no, the whole 'make the earth unlivable for thousands of years!' shit was overblown hippy propaganda. Only the actual blast crater of ground detonations will be salted for that long, as someone once put it 'it isn't raining plutonium'. But fallout, dirt that was contaminated during the blast then thrown in the air and carried all over the fricking place by wind in the upper atmosphere before falling back down to earth (it will look kind of like it's snowing) is a real thing and will kill the shit out of everything it touches in the short term. One thing the media often gets wrong is focusing too much on humans, this shit is going to kill the fricking grass and most insects.
I forgot how Chernobyl is a wasteland with no life whatsoever
dirt only gets picked up like that if it's in the fireball
modern (not Soviet) nukes are not of that type
those actually just spread plutonium everywhere, going a little bit bigger than that buys you a lot of efficiency for not much more weight
I hate to break it to you but 'modern' warheads are not the whole of anyone's arsenal. There are still more than a few of the 'smash into the ground and explode' style missiles. Also, while we did do atom bomb tests in the 50s in view of Las Vegas, those bombs are a sparrow fart in a hurricane compared to some of the yields in hydrogen bombs and the radiation is little almost nothing compared to say a neutron bomb who's entire PURPOSE is to cause as much radiation as possible. When we are emptying our silos we are not only going to use the newest, 'safest' nuclear weapons. We are going to use everything, and set virtually the entire world on fricking fire.
If you think different you've watched too many post-apocalypse shit movies that ignore a whole lot of the damage of nuclear weapons because 'And then he crossed the road, his skin stung and then he fell over shit himself and died of radiation poisoning' is a shitty story.
>When we are emptying our silos we are not only going to use the newest, 'safest' nuclear weapons. We are going to use everything, and set virtually the entire world on fricking fire.
Oh yeah over 70 years of planning and making our nukes more accurate and less radiation will be thrown out because this Anon thinks the US keeps a stash of 50s era nukes rather than upgrading our fleet in the 80s. Please I beg of you, research and don't be a fricking clown. Radiation payloads were phased out before your father's father was able to nut in your grandma. The US prioritizes accurate strikes not blanket hits. This has literally been the case since the 70s and the only time we changed that was Linebacker during Vietnam as a way to completely defang the North for a number of years. The evolution of conventional weapons and various nuke treaties made accuracy top dog decades ago.
>phased out before your father's father was able to nut in your grandma
My father's father nutted in my grandmother before a-bombs were a thing you zoomy frick.
Do whatever you want dipshit. Nuclear fire will not be contained to a few areas you don't care about anyway, life will not be otherwise unaffected.
>Muh nuclear fire is gonna blanket the world
Lol it's gonna blanket ports, transit centers and major nexuses. Then when the world is starving mils will move into place to pacify whats left
Okay. I'm sure you'll be fine. Radiation is a myth right?
Radiation isn't a myth. Understanding the design and purpose of nukes is really the problem. Modern nukes do not dump heavy ionizing radiation as it's a waste of a payload and also poisons the area. https://www.britannica.com/technology/nuclear-weapon/Residual-radiation-and-fallout
>A nuclear explosion produces a complex mix of more than 300 different isotopes of dozens of elements, with half-lifes from fractions of a second to millions of years. The total radioactivity of the fission products is extremely large at first, but it falls off at a fairly rapid rate as a result of radioactive decay. Seven hours after a nuclear explosion, residual radioactivity will have decreased to about 10 percent of its amount at 1 hour, and after another 48 hours it will have decreased to 1 percent. (The rule of thumb is that for every sevenfold increase in time after the explosion, the radiation dose rate decreases by a factor of 10.)
Additionally no nuke club member makes dirty bombs as they are a suicide weapon since the world winds would carry that shit everywhere and make EVERYONE mad. Additionally if you ever bothered to read up on nukes, they were developed to help solve bomb energy yield issues and modern conventional bombs have caught up quite a bit. Nukes still form major pieces of defense doctrine but the primary focus of nuke strategy has been early warning and in air neutralization for well over your lifespan. You can refer to Reagan's star wars program as well as the massive amounts of money the US, China and Russia have put into intercept tech. And indeed I will be fine and so will you (unfortunately) as no member of any nations military is going to authorize a nuclear strike.
You don't understand the radiation problem whatsoever.
Molecules are made of up atoms, and atoms are made up of protons, neutrons, and electrons. Now if you shove a few extra electrons into an atom it's no big deal, it becomes an ion or anion and the electron might shoot off later. If you shoot a proton or neutron into the center of the atom, however, you get an isotope. It's possible to transmute Uranium to Plutonium by adding alpha radiation for example.
Now you shove enough neutrons into the core of an atom, and it splits apart into 2 or more new cores and lets out some serious energy in the form of radiation. If that's a chain reaction as it is in a nuclear blast, then you are producing metric fricktons of heat and pressure on a lot of material which turns it into plasma. Furthermore, you are shooting metric fricktons of neutrons EVERYWHERE which converts other materials into isotopes. When an atom is converted to an isotope it may become unstable and radioactive and not just alpha or beta radioactive, it might start emitting x-rays or gamma rays when it splits. This is one of the key reasons why materials from e.g. nuclear power plants are not just disposed via normal scrap yards, but buried or broken up for disposal into other materials. Asphault and concrete near a ciore can be particularily problematic and can remain hot for many many years.
So in short, in an all out bombardment, you are going to be vaporizing 1000's of tons of shit into the atmosphere that's radioactive and it's going to rain down and take awhile to become not radioactive. So while the isotopes from the bomb are not a problem, the fact the yields have gone up is.
>You don't understand
>Proceeds to spout basic tier physics as if it has relevance
>Radioactive dust
Black person did you not read the souce he posted
>My father's father nutted in my grandmother before a-bombs were a thing
Big doubt. No way you'd turn out this brain damaged without the effects of radiation from the moment of birth.
>smash into the ground and explode' style missiles
From the very first detonated atom bomb, airburst has always been the default setting for nuclear weapons. Saying this much is enough to discredit the entirety of your moronic schizo drivel.
Airbursts make the fallout issue trivial for the military purposes of clearing and reoccupying ground. This gentleman's institute was where Pompeo gave his "3 Lighthouses of Liberty" speech over the summer, consider reading it
https://archive.org/details/onthermonuclearw0000kahn
Because I assure you, the Russians and Chinese have planned around a decapitation strike on the USA for as long as they've had the things under the assumption that the rest of the world would be cowed thereafter.
>There are still more than a few of the 'smash into the ground and explode' style missiles
Which ones?
>If you don't both know and post highly classified information on not one but nine nations nuclear arsenals then I win the argument!
Billions would still starve to death because of the collapse of worldwide trade and manufacturing
Most of them being blacks, poos and chinese.
We need Slow Bombs.
> slow bombs
Shush, the adults are talking.
I am Johnny Hotdog from Kansas City Oblast and I am also very concerned
The only people starving to death are non american/europeans
If you can buy it, you can eat it at the expense of Black person countries lives.
Some food after year 1 would be mildly radiative shit due to inedibility, but before then it would be sparse for a couple weeks or two before industry got back into resupply, and it would all still be edible.
>Tens if not hundreds of millions will die in the detnations, a lot more from the fallout, and virtually everyone else is going to starve to death in short order. Animals and plants too, the entire ecosystem is going to totally collapse.
>But the world as we know it, and every single current authority bigger than 'the tribal elders', will stop existing within roughly twenty minutes of full on nuclear war.
God, just imagine.
Unfortunately, 90% of what he's said is just hysterical boomer fantasy fueled by popular culture myths, largely planted by the soviets.
personally I'd just blast Putin into bits and give Russians opportunity to rethink their life choices or be all murdered like Putin, starting from top of the command hierarchy
>Russian nukes
Which ones? The ones they sold to buy more yachts?
Worst case?
NATO unleashes a can of nuclear whoopass on Russia.
Best case?
NAT9 unleashes a can of conventional whoopass on Russia
Strange. You seem to have the two reversed, anon.
How about just a few very low-yield tacky nukes? Would that be enough for a united western response?
Absolutely. I'm politically and financially okay with it. As our the majority of Americans. Plus, we are incredibly powerful.
Do we even have "low yield" nukes anymore?
Shall we make a Fat Man replica and send in an unmanned balloon over Magnitogorsk
Yes it fricking would be. Nuclear taboo must be maintained, otherwise every moron dictator with a warhead in his basement will start lobbing them willy-nilly every time things stop going their way.
Setting Sun Tribe does not differentiate between nuke yields. A nook is a nook, no matter how big or small. Response will be the same towards a Little Boy or the Tsar Bomba going off.
Using a nuke of any kind is enough for a united western response, hell China would get in on that because they have a good thing going with global trade, maybe even India so the Pakistan doesn't get any funny ideas
>Using a nuke of any kind is enough for a united western response
Why? The continental United States has been bombed by hundreds of nuclear bombs and nothing bad has happened.
Way to twist the words.
NATO doesn’t possess nuclear weapons and the three nations in NATO that have nuclear weapons (US, England, France) would never give any to that incompetent shithead Norwegian Stoltenberg. This whole argument is dumb. Nobody gives enough of a frick about Russia taking back western Russia to go to nukes.
Do...do vatniks really believe this?
Lol, nobody gives a flying frick about Ukraine except Ukrainians and morons.
What no pussy does to a homie
Time will tell dummy, nobody is having a nuclear war over your shitty little Slavic shithole. As soon as the DNC is done laundering all of it “aid” money, support will dry up and it’s USSR 2.0 and don’t give a frick. I’m so sick of hearing about this stupid fricking shit.
So how's Highschool going?
Blowjobs at lunch from your mom and dad. It’s fun, your mom gets a little toothy though.
You can just say morons and cover both.
>nobody cares about the most devestating war in Europe since Bosnia
Time to go outside, pal.
Learn how to read you illiterate scum. People care about the war, people don't care about Ukraine.
>people don't care about the breadbasket of Europe
Believe it or not I don't. Allow the hot white chicks to flee east, we will keep your genetic legacy intact by adding it to our own. Kill everyone else before they even see land in the western hemisphere. We're full.
Your country will soon cease to exist.
Europeans aren’t people.
Anyone with any brains or balls left Europe a long time ago. Maybe you should start learning Russian just in case.
You will never be asian, Muscovite.
Two off, frick
>Maybe you should start learning Russian just in case.
I did and forgot it because everyone in the former SU is learning English and German. And every smart Russian is learning English so they can GTFO as well.
When the only people you talk to in Russian are gopniks, morons and the elderly it's not worth to stick with it tbh
>Bosnia
Who?
You do realize Ukraine was a member of the Soviet Union not Russia right?
You do realize Russia began in Ukraine, right?
This means any rationale for a Russian nuclear attack on Ukraine would be a massive nuclear strike on multiple cities involving megaton bombs. After all, why do a limited strike with little military value if you're gonna be hit back anyway. Better to go all the way from the start.
Yeah pretty much, no matter what kind of bomb they drop the result is always the same
I wouldn't be surprised if they did, it's exactly the kind of move a weak and feckless nation would make.
The outcome? A Western coalition, not NATO unless attacked, would crush the much weaker russians. Baltic 3.0
We've been through this hundreds of times already
There is no such thing as a "tactical" nuke in the eyes of the west
Any detonation of a nuclear weapon in anger, for any reason, will be met with an immediate, full scale countervalue strike followed by a conventional invasion of Russia to secure and eliminate any surviving russian nuclear assets
Its as shrimple as that
Thanks for sharing that gif. I learned something new.
No worries, apparently the technique is called "lobstering" if you ever want to look it up
Oh I did, that's what I meant. The neurons firing was the real learn here. Would have never thought about this complex reaction from crusties.
It doesn't matter who they nuke, the fact that they are willing to deploy nukes in am aggressive war means they are simply too dangerous to let live
If Pakistan nukes Afghanistan we would wipe them out too for the exact same reason
We just probably wouldn't nuke them first, since they don't have enough assets to justify a countervalue strike
>Any detonation of a nuclear weapon in anger, for any reason, will be met with an immediate, full scale countervalue strike followed by a conventional invasion of Russia to secure and eliminate any surviving russian nuclear assets
>Its as shrimple as that
There are morons out there that actually believe this horseshit. And that's sad.
Its been SOP for more than 60 years now my dude, the whole thing has been wargamed so many times most of NATO can do it by muscle memory alone
Wargamed in case of an attack on a NATO member, not a shithole borderland that belongs to Russia anyway.
Now more than ever. This invasion already stretched the rational-actor assumption to a breaking point.
The scenario in which a Russian nuclear strike do not result in nuclear retaliation is if they can muddy the waters enough to provide some semblance of a geopolitical excuse for it. Like nuking the first Ukrainian to step foot on russian soil, or hold on to occupied territory for long enough that the rest of the world accepts it as "russian home soil" (bout' 5-10 years I reckon') why do you think they import russian teachers? Shoehorn their national currency into a nonexistent local economy? Make up decelerations of annexation that a child would consider worth less than a crayon sketch? It's all attempts at laying the foundation for the argument that using a nuke in that territory was national defense. God knows all world powers would take any -reasonable- excuse to not escalate. But even then it's uncertain. And at current guesstimate, not likely to result in what they're aiming for.
But. Even in the event they nuke and escape nuclear reprissals, the result is the same. So few people understand economics and international production chains. The non nuclear reprissals would result in total sanctioning. I'll give you a few examples of how that would look: 5.1 Russians have diabetes. They will likely die in a few years following insulin sanctions. Russia has no rhodium/palladium/platinum production of note for catalytic converters. In just 10 decade I would estimate an impact corresponding to the loss of about 20-30 mil russian lives as a tertiary result of health problems, IQ drop, and loss of production capacity of the human ressource factor. Microchips are a big subject but overlooks this; the -equipment- necessary to make those microchips are almost exclusively located in Holland. They can't even -start up- a domestic production. Do people even realize of insignificant current sanctions are in the grand scheme of a nations international trade?
Cont->...
What is in effect now, to use an analogy is like cutting a rowdy passenger on an airplane off from the free complimentary bar.
A non nuclear (IE, Best case) reprissal would be analogous to cutting off the cabin air supply.
A non nuclear reprissal would likely result in the ballpark of loss of life and years of qualitative life, directly and indirectly, of 50 mil +/-20 mil deaths spanning over 3 decades.
So myeah. I don't know if nuking some Slav village to make a statement is worth that, even IF they weasel out of getting glassed in return.
There's a lot wrong with this post.
The sanctions don't necissarily represent a barrier to trade, they've been using gold for awhile now and that will allow them to begborrowstealbuy whatever they might need. Russians can still buy Geforce Graphics cards and modern computers. However, the channels you are getting them through and the ability to disrupt them are considerable so there are shortages of all kinds.
Insilun is not complicated to manufacture, the Russians could figure that out in short order. They're also the 2nd largest producer of Platinum.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_platinum_production
The sanctions represent a reverse engineering and manpower shortage risk to Russia. You can get all of the blueprints and diagrams of say their massive natgas operation up in siberia, but if you lose access to most of the experts and people who know how to build the shit, you've got problems. This creates a massive manhour shortage and uneducated schleps are going to engage in do things that would make a redneck engineer with a tarp and a can of great stuff envious. That in turn makes their ability to do anything cost more and makes the war more costly. They've also lost .5 million of their most educated people due to emigration. Companies offered them packages to leave, they left, and more are fleeing.
>the Russians could figure that out in short order
Doubt.jpg
>They're also the 2nd largest producer of Platinum.
Not for long if the real sanctions hit. A massive part of russian resource extraction is highly dependent on or directly managed by western companies using western equipment, both of which they cannot readily replace.
The only possible scenario I see for nuclear engagement is if Russia begins curbstomping the Ukranians and literally killing everyone off, like every week they invade a dozen small and midsized towns, or ransack a city like Kyiv,carting the young off to Russians to orphanages and literally killing everyone else after flatening them with thermobaric weapons.
Ukraine has around 40m people right now, that would be one the largest civillian slaughter ever in the history of the world. People will flee and if the borders of neighbors are closed out of necessity, you've got scared men and women in a box.
Ukraine used to have thousands of nukes from the USSR days and is one of the most corrupt places on earth, if you don't think Zelensky hasn't been trying to buy nukes from Russia's own corrupt military you're nuts. So if the borders are hostile and they're going to die anyway they may very well take a "you're coming with us" approach and pop a few Russian cities with cruise missile technicals because frick Russia or they might even detonate the nukes on their own territory defensively. Militaries usually have specific locations they want to take, so if you nuke those and make them uninhabitable for months, it will really slow down an assault and allow the political malaise to soak in.
If the fallout hits Poland, Article 5 gets activated and poland might just "invade the hostile murderous Ukranain nazi's to reclaim our ancestral homelands " as a pretense for using combined arms to kill as many Russians as possible so they can never ever reach Warsaw and to prevent the Ukies from using Nukes.
The real danger is allowing a country to threaten another with total annihilation and extermination of the civillian population because countervalue is the only defense that makes sense in that situation.
Insulin production is achieved on industrial scale by gene modded yeast cultures. No, Russia will not be able to produce what they need before the majority of critically dependant diabetics die.
Russia already produces insulin nitwit https://www.thepharmaletter.com/article/sanofi-starts-deliveries-of-russian-made-insulin-to-eu-countries. China does as well. The other major producers of insulin are Novo Nordisk,and Eli Lilly. Most countries are looking into insulin production rapidly as global shortages have been a problem for years and the amount of diabetics is growing fast. In fact California has begun it's own insulin production program and will likely become one of the biggest on the planet when they sell generics to the rest of the US.
>t. Type 1
You're right. My info is outdated. My bad.
The other time prooven method of treating diabetis is literally sucking from the teet of a cow. This is not a complex manufacturing process and not something someone couldn't stand up within weeks or months.
>This invasion already stretched the rational-actor assumption to a breaking point.
I'm not pro-Russian or anything but this is such bullshit. They started a war 'the west' is against does not make them irrational, they are not beholden to only act in the best interest of the US and Europe.
They are the bad guys. They are gaping buttholes. But there is no need to start acting like they are dangerous lunatics that can't be negotiated with. Anyone who wants you to think that is in fact the one that refuses to negotiate.
>I'm not pro-Russian or anything but this is such bullshit. They started a war 'the west' is against does not make them irrational, they are not beholden to only act in the best interest of the US and Europe.
I hear you Anon, but that's the problem in a nutshell. They did not act based on well informed selfish interests. If they gauged the situation correctly pre-invasion and pulled it off without a hitch it would be -less- worrisome to the rest of the the state actors. The problem lies in their sheer incompetence and decision making process. They have acted against their own national interests with this invasion. The consequences have been disastrous. I'm not saying the Kremlin is a lot ony bin, I'm saying that recent events prove that they for all intents and purposes may as well be because the only factor that matters is universally the same; They are unpredictable.
Doesn't matter if they're insane, evil, megalomaniac or eldritch horrors from beyond wearing meat suits, as long as they're predictably so. Russia hasn't entirely ruined the game yet, it's not vinary. lunatic or mentat. But, they have devalued their credibility and destabilised geopolitics by their recent actions. Every functional state wants to return to status quo asap. Even if status quo is horrible.
>had tremendous amount of soft power, influence, and sleeper agent/glowBlack folk embedded with post soviet states
>squanders it all to create meme republics
>squanders it AGAIN in a full invasion
Negotiations usually involve concessions from both sides, meanwhile negotiations with russians generally involve them gracefully taking half of what they wanted from you for nothing and claiming you're the villain that has to do this again for this. This is why they're treated like lunatics and crazies.
>Negotiations usually involve concessions from both sides
Ukraine currently demands Russia return every square inch of land, including Crimea, for Russia to pay every cent for rebuilding and reparations on top of that, and for every single person involved in the invasion above the grunt level to be tried for crimes against humanity. Until Russia pre-agrees to these terms they have refused to hold peace talks.
Which you may think is righteous and whatever, but seeing as how Russia is seriously currently winning they don't exactly have any motivation to agree to literally any of that.
Well, that's exactly why rusBlack folk are treated like the rabid lunatics they are. The whole idea that Ukraine must make concessions for russia to gracefully accept to roll back their invasion slightly is picture perfect example of vatBlack persony that people are talking about.
>hold on to occupied territory for long enough that the rest of the world accepts it as "russian home soil" (bout' 5-10 years I reckon')
Such bullshit propaganda.
Even if we recognize the typical "Russian" (anyone who didn't flee Russia) as serfs, the near totality of the world refuse to recognize their attempt to grab land, they can try to kill every single person who refuse to become Moskow's slave, everyone will still ask them to leave those lands and take their slave with them.
If bet you if Ukraine took back Crimea, at lot of the population -even replaced by "Russian"- would be absolutely glad to go back to the good side, and would only be annoyed to have to learn Ukrainian.
There's a reason Putin's can't bring back Belarus into Russia, the population would actually revolt having to obey the like of him
Very nice gif my friend. Most pleasant thing i've seen on the chan for a week, at least. Thank you
>best case
It would be based and redpilled
>worst case
It would still be based
>best-case
russian secret police morons truly have run the entire country into the ground and all the nukes have expired, they physically cannot do a nuclear detonation
The advantage of Russia using a nuke is that we get to wipe them off the fricking map
the real shitshow in violating the nuclear taboo is going to be worldwide nuclear proliferation. everyone who has the capability is instantly going to accelerate their nuclear programs. asia in particular is going to be a real pandora's box because china's going to see south korea, japan, and very likely taiwan acquire nukes.
>worldwide nuclear proliferation
Those countries don’t need nukes as long as they allow daddy America to build bases in their countries.
>best case scenario
CIA send in an operative to assassinate Putin. The assassination is successful. Opposition parties sprawl to take his place, which leads to total political turmoil. Russian soldiers are called back to Moscow to stop a Communist, Monarchist, Fascistic, Social Democratic, Liberal Democratic revolt going on in the streets. Russia becomes a no-mans-land of chaos and civil war. Ukraine builds a wall. China slowly becomes a more easier beast to tame.
I like how in your mind the CIA would murder Putin because he dared attack Ukraine. Much less nothing bad would happen to anyone but Russia, and apparently China?, for some reason.
I'm sure the military wouldn't immediately assume control and start retaliation attacks or anything.
The war in Ukraine has turned into a social crusade for a lot of these idiots, it’s just another way to virtue signal without actually doing anything.
It has nothing to do with Ukraine and everything to do with the fact that Russia has now offensively used nuclear weapons. That is absolutely a genie that everyone involved will try to stuff back into the bottle, whether the target was Ukraine, the United States or fricking Uganda
jen already said nato would respond with conventional weapons if a tacitcal nuke is used
That’s because conventional weapons is all he has.
NATO might break our shared nukes in case of strikes on our soil but we would get involved and wreck Russia very quickly.
Show us where.
oops it wasn't jen https://www.reuters.com/world/russian-nuclear-strike-would-almost-certainly-draw-physical-response-nato-2022-10-12/
So not at all what you said.
Putin nukes all along the western borders of Ukraine, Belarus, and Russia, throwing up a nuclear curtain and forging in flames a new Soviet Union
to be honest I am fatigued of Ace Combat Zero references. It's been everywhere since the start of this war, especially every time some Russian screeches about nukes.
I was actually thinking about MacArthur's nuke plan for the Korean War
> “The enemy’s air would first have been taken out. I would have dropped between 30 to 50 tactical atomic bombs on his air bases and other depots strung across the neck of Manchuria from just across the Yalu at Antung (northwest tip of Korea) to the neighborhood of Hunchun (northeast tip of Korea near the border of the USSR).
He was moronic, he had no concept of fallout or weather patterns. He would have killed millions and all he would have won is an irradiated Korean Peninsula.
putin have some kinda video evidence of something bidon doesnt want the world to see. many expert speculate putin have a new footage of hunter bidon doing a very disgusted thing . I believe this blackmail will stop west fight against a bomba nuclear if russian uses it but I hope they dont
English a third (fourth?) language folks.
So thinking this through practically.
Russian Nukes are not known for their accuracy (they can be km off target) and given they haven't been testing the launch vehicles regularily as far as anyone in the west knows, it's likely given how poorly maintained their USSR Stock is that a not insignificant double digit percentage will fail, not to mention the west has AEGIS and The starwars program stuff in LEO. In an all out exchange Russia needs a lot more nukes than the US has due to those failures and defenses as a deterrent. The US Stockpile on the other hand is accurate, plentiful, largely mobile (half of them are on Ohio Class Nuclear Subs), and has sufficient volume to keep the enemy down permanently once put down. If the Russians decided to do an all-out nuking of the US, it would absolutely be the permanent end of Russia. The main purpose of the Stockpile is to prevent invasion or aggression, e.g. if overzealous US Generals or Europeans decide to Nuke Russia ahead of time which is an absolutely valid fear IMO.
Furthermore, the US has AGM-130 and GBU-72 bunker buster bombs. You have to assume producing a variant that can be put into orbit with rapidly developed rockets e.g. what SpaceX does, manuvered into positions over Silo's, Submarine bases, and Launchers, then dropped on target with high accuracy is doable, especially considering the design to deployment was done in weeks. That would give the US the capibility to knock out their command and control, silo's, submarine docks, and anti-air missile defense systems opening the mobile launchers for attack by air. You destroy most or all of that capibility, China, the Middle East and Europe invades or uses nukes to finish them off. It would be a very shitty engagement for all parties however, given the weather impact...
So the problem here is the weather.
Sagan and others studied this back in the 70's and 80's, and in essence, You start burning millions of tons of carbon and god knows what else in cities, plus the uncontrolled forest and grassland fires a nuclear exchange would cause, and that's enough smoke and sut to cause the fabled nuclear winter as you are dumping several volcano's worth of shit, and god knows what else, into the stratosphere.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year_Without_a_Summer
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_explosivity_index
In an all-out nuclear exchange discussion you'd have
> the first wave of deaths due to the blasts and fallout (laws of 7)
> then deaths from cancer (Background radition raised)
> environmental poisoning (Imagine the sut contains asbestos and is flying around for months, DioxinsPOP's, etc)
> Possibly Ozone depletion (all that random burning shit) which wouldn't be catastrophic but certainly not good for cancer rates
> Then possibly a nuclear winter lasting upto a decade
More importantly, the models showed that a small limited tactical or strategic exchange of a few dozen nukes could cause a year or two long nuclear winter, which is more than enough to starve out significant chunks of world population. Ergo, the countervalue policy the west has. Use one anywhere, it's going to kill enough people via starvation to make nuking you back necissary. This discovery created the shift towards tactical instead of strategic nukes; Strategic nukes are demographic weapons, you target and wipe out population centers with massive 100kt+ bombs. Tactical nukes are for military bases, silo's, etc meant to neutralize specific targets and are typically smaller than 100kt.
Answering this.
Under "ideal" detonating conditions a nuclear warhead will produce radioactive isotopes. Meaning you take some asphault, concrete, heat it up to 10,000C, shove tons of neutrons into it, then blow it into the stratosphere and yeah, it's going to be radioactive, the atoms are going to absorb the neutrons and destabilize, and the material is going to break down into something else over time. Most of these isotopes are short-lived ergo the law of 7's.
> 7 hours = 90% reduction in radiation
> 7 days = 99% reduction
> 7 months = 99.9% reduction
> 7 years = 99.99% reduction
In an all out exchange you are putting probably thousands of tons of radioactive sut into the atmosphere so when it rains, it's all going to come down. So keep in mind here in an all-out scenario, you probably need to sit underground for a year.
However, again, the Russian Nuclear stockpile is likely not that reliable and or accurate. What happens when a dud warhead slams into something really flammible such as an oil refinery or highrise? The radioactive metal will burn, combine with whatever is onsite, and flow through the air downwind as a fine dust coating crap for hundreds or thousands of feet downwind. Look at the recent east palestine, ohio train derailment as a case study in how this can play out.
Imagine downtown Chicago or New York got hit. You could force the evacuation of long island for example and displace millions with a subcritical detonatio. Plutonium has about a decades-long half-life, Uranium's is something like 80 years. Absolutely possible to pelt an area with defective nukes and make it totally uninhabitable for a century or three. Imagine that happening to Washington DC, Hoover Dam, Mountain passes in the rockies, Major Locke's and Ports, nuclear plants. It would allow you to modify the way geography works to really frick over the local population without needing to shoot shit into the stratosphere.
It’s “soot” you fricking moron
So knowing all of the above, Russia isn't going to try to do a show of force against the US.
Lets make some assumptions.
> The Ukrainans don't buy nukes with all that dirty US cash and create a dity bomb cruise missile technical and wipe belgorod, the oil pipeline hub, or hit Moscow via Suicide Nuclear Cessna AND
> Miraculously the Ukranians manage to push back against the Russian incursion and retake Crimea OR
> Russia fully mobilizes, polishes off Ukraine by 2025, and has 5+m poorly trained and equipped mobilizable troops (mix of olderyounger men)
> Russia can't win a conventional war against the west due to its inability to do combined arms combat
> Russia knows it doesn't have the demographics to control captured citizens so it's going to exterminate or displace them
> Russia moves all of their land based assets out of silo's and deploys hundreds of decoy mobile ICBM launchers
> Putin has an Anuerism and decides to make a play for Warsaw.
> Russia can actually disable western supply chains for months with mass cyber attacks
You could use nukes to kill population centers and critical infrastructure, then move troops around those population centers killing off anything that moves. Kyiv, Warsaw, Lublin, Mykolaiv, Odesa, Kherson, Dnipro, etc would be on the list. You disabledestroy western production and coordination with computer viruses for months on end to slow down a response. But what happens after becomes a sci-fi fantasy novel of what-if's and but-ifs. My favorite of which is the US decides to carpetnuke the invading Russian horde in western Ukraine with dozens of strategic nukes and EMP's then Poland decides to invade Ukraine.
Russia has an increasingly complicated and complicating position and its likely if this next push doesn't work out they'll draw their line on the Dniper river and hold Kyiv, invade an annex moldova to hold the DanubeDnister river, and be done with the offensive for now.
Good posts. I hate these drooling morons who've played too much Fallout.
I've played way too much fallout. But I like to use it as a real world simulator e.g. playing frost or horizon, not this fantasy gay shit.
Classic /k/ope, Russia isn't doing well on the battlefieled so thererore their nuclear arsenal is worthless.
It's the one branch of the military that was being kept substantially funded throughout the nineties and later on. Russians are paranoid and scared of superior Western (particularly American) military capabilities. They know they will fail in a direct conventional confrontation so they put a big emphasis on their nuclear deterrent to make up for this. And yes they are testing their launch vehicles, like the Satan 2 last year (https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/04/20/satan-2-icbm/) and topol-m earlier (https://sputniknews.com/20101007/160865732.html). Even though their convential military has been failing hard, they are definitely able to completely frick up Ukraine if they want to.
Laying it too thick there buddy.
It would move the benchmark holding America back and allow it to be more violent than usual.
Apart from it never happening, likely massive conventional retaliation on all russian forces in Ukraine proper. After that, NATO forces in Ukraine and serious risk of major nuclear exchange. But no one will let nuclear escalation fly, because of the implications not retaliating would carry.
The entire idea is moronic and even though the russian leadership might be off the hook and paranoid, Putin in the end is an opportunist and not a risk taker. It’s not going to happen.
Some kind of massive, overwhelming military response. Possibly nuclear, possibly conventional. The important thing is to show that using nuclear weapons in a war of aggression is a one way ticket to defeat. If the world sees that nukes are fair game the proliferation would be completely out of control. Every nation on earth would rush to get nukes, either to defend themselves from other's nukes since apparently no one else will do it or to threaten their neighbors with because apparently nukes are an instant license to seize any territory you want. Every nation with a halfway competent industrial sector would have nukes inside a decade, and with that many nukes floating around you're almost guaranteed to have a nuclear war on your hands soon enough. Better to keep that genie in the bottle and show the world that the only thing offensive nuclear war will get you is annihilated.
Why do these kinds of threads always end up with some vatnik, likely OP, ranting about how they'll totally destroy the world and take everyone down with them if couuntries won't ignore a nuclear blast over totally irrelevant unrelated country that you mustn't care of Ukraine? Which they care so much about they're hellbent on destruction which they spout in the same breath.
What's going on in their heads?
My favorite part is how it always goes like this
>Russia stronk, we won’t accept defeat, we will nuke everyone unless you submit our demands
<ok, homosexual, but if you nuke, we will strike back
>NOOOO HOW CAN YOU THREATEN THE WORLD WITH NUCLEAR ESCALATION YOU MADMAN HOW CAN YOU BE SO INSANE SO THAT YOU WOULD DOOM THE WORLD FOR UKRAINE
…as if Russia was some kind of force of nature with no responsibility, and people resisting it are always guilty for everything that happens in a war.
I'm sorry were you getting the impression anyone in this thread WANTS Russia to nuke something? Did someone say 'We shouldn't retaliate if they do'? No you ignorant fricking wienersucker, people are saying 'once a nuke goes off a full world ending exchange is inevitable'. Russia is just the most likely strike first at the moment.
Lol someone's feeling called out here.
Eat shit and die you fricking homosexual.
Kekekeke
I am now demoralized, everybody without nukes should just surrender and bend over to get pozzed by degenerate AIDS-ridden criminal hordes to appease the great russian bear.
I know you guys get paid by the post but you are not only very, very obvious but you clearly don't speak very good english if you think anyone in this thread has even hinted at supporting russia.
Seriously guys, if you're going to be so transparent outside raiders you're going to catch an IP range ban and 'fired' isn't a big thing in the intelligence community.
I just realized arguing with vatbots is a lot like arguing with a crazy girlfriend
Same narcissist personality patterns.
Exactly!
>I'm sorry were you getting the impression anyone in this thread WANTS Russia to nuke something?
I do. Because it means we can destroy Russia.
It's fricking hilarious.
>But maybe Amerika will not of be doing anything if only small tactical low yield nukalear explosion ehhhhhhhh?
My favorite was the one moron a couple weeks ago that fundamentally could not comprehend that an EMP would be treated just like a nuclear detonation.
>Maybe we could just slip the nuclear tip in a little bit, see if you like it?
Russia will make Belka memes real
Russia WISHES they could be Belka.
Nuke Russia first.
Either China attacks them immediately, or they lose the last 30 years of building up their strongman image.
Because China gave Russian an explicit warning.
>best case
Vast majority of launched missiles fail, either at launch or mid-flight, with warhead detonations going no higher than 4%, hitting little to no targets of value. All bomber craft successfully intercepted, a mixture of stand-downs and shot-downs.
>worst case
All usable nuclear material and warhead components "disappear", either resurfacing on the black market, or in the hands of enemy spooks.
>All usable nuclear material and warhead components "disappear", either resurfacing on the black market, or in the hands of enemy spooks.
Tbh this is my biggest concern. If Russia shits its own pants and do a Collapse 2: Return of the 90'es who knows what Igor will sell off on the international flea market
/k/ realizes war bad but only if you explain it to them why
>What would be the outcome of Russia using tactical nukes?
A total win for Russia.
- NATO aligned country intervene and destroy all Russian troops
- Ukraine retake Crimea
- Civil war in Russia, Putin removed from power to prevent more nuking
- Russia forced to obtain real news because censorship/propaganda break down
- Russia wise up and prefer the Occidentals to Chinese
- Russia go down in history as having removed their dictator from power.
It's a total win compared to the opposite.
>best-case scenario
NATO retaliates with a single nuclear strike on the installation where the attack originated from, followed up by massive conventional strikes on Russian forces all over Ukraine and ultimatum to the Russian people to depose Putin or face total destruction of the Russian nation.
>worst-case scenario
NATO retaliates with a massive First Strike against all airbases, naval yards, launch facilities, and any civilian communications infrastructure that could be used to transmit attack orders.
Really, the Russians would be better off rolling the dice and just launching a surprise nuclear attack on NATO instead. At least they would stand a slim chance of winning that.
>Best case
Destroying the Russian nation
>Worst case
Destroying the Russian army
Tactical nukes against which target exactly and what would you hope to accomplish with tactical nukes that you wouldn't be able to accomplish with conventional artillery? There doesn't exist any actual use-case for Russia to deploy tactical nukes. Their nukes are only relevant as a deterrent on the strategic level.
Ironically Russia would have to leave all Ukrainian territory because their troops aren't equipped not suitable for operations in a nuclear environment. Add to that the international backlash they would get.
>their troops aren't equipped not suitable for operations in a nuclear environment
Would that really be a problem? It's not like new mobiks will complain and they don't teach this stuff at school anyway.
>Guaranteed
Russia ceases to exist as everyone worth a shit jumps on them.
>Worst case
Russia is actually able to launch more than the ones that set the world against them, they're not duds, and they aren't stopped.
>Best case
The ones they tried to launch are duds, the Russian nuclear arsenal is eviscerated by first strikes, and the invasion of Russia is quick. All of Russia's current neighbors make land gains. FRICKLOADS of surplus hits the market. Tensions in the east reduced courtesy of a bunch of new land gains distracting China from Taiwan.
>Oh no, a MOAB equivalent yield is detonated on a supply depot with an airbust causing negligible fallout
It would cement in the minds of the 'collective West' that a century's worth of treasure was wasted on keeping the white trash of Europe and Asia at arm's length rather than on space exploration because of the Cold War, and that it was high time that the Eurasian Superstate pipe dream of communists needed to die before this century is over.
>best case
China nukes too and they are both depopulated.
>worst case
Russia nuked and no one does anything or it gets a slap on the wrist retaliatory nuke, and we have even more Russian influence outside of Russia from all the refugees who would flee it.
Do you really think the ((rootless metropolitian elite)) in the west would risk all there wealth and power over a shithole like Ukraine? The response will be nothing more than a condemation from the UN. Russia should use tactical nukes against western ukraine cities and kiev asap, and a few against supply bases in poland and germany for good measure. The western homosexuals and trannies will do frick all.
Then do it homosexual. You won't.
Give me the button motherfricker
I'm not king monke. Ask him instead. Oh, you won't because you're a subservient drone.
There is no advantage, they would have to be absolutely moronic to do that.
Russia's options are very limited at the moment and there only real hope is to just drag this out forever until the west gets tired of sending a bunch of weapons to Ukraine. NATO will not tolerate breaking the nuclear taboo.
>it's another edition of shills posting "nuke yourself to save ukraine"
Holy shit, why do nuclear weapon/war threads always have a ridiculous amounts of incorrect or outdated information and pop culture inspired lore?
I miss Oppenheimer
eh, a few people got sick and people were asked to wear incredibly oppressive (it was like, worse then the firebombing of dresden!) and look what happened. a single nuke going off, even accidentally, anywhere, would bring the world to its knees
There is no such thing as a tactical nuke.
>it's just a low yield bomb! Totally different bro!
A ~15kiloton nuke obliterated 90% of the structures in Hiroshima. There is no such thing as a tactical nuke.
then use a 1 kiloton nuke. the davy crocket was .01/.02 and weight 150 kgs including launcher. they made 2000 of these
On the one hand I'm glad that there's a minimum size that a nuclear weapon (as in one that causes a nuclear explosion as opposed to a fizzle or dirty bomb) since it makes proliferation harder and disincentivizes their use. On the other hand I'm a bit bummed we don't have Fallout-style mini-nukes creating tiny mushroom clouds.
Which reminds me I was going to try and save up the caps for an Esther in New Vegas.
>minimum size that a nuclear weapon
...can be, frick I should proof-read my posts.
Once we get AM figured out, you can have 2-3kt the size of 12 Gauges aa8j0p
Ironically to everyone saying radiation is basically a non-issue, the Davy Crocket was not a bomb. It's entire point is to put up a blanket of radiation to deny the enemy passage through the area, possibly without them knowing that before they send the first wave through if you're a real bastard.
tacticals kinda a nebulous term, but i think it works here. even if you think 90% of nuclear weapons information is misinformation, your not getting me to walk into a fricking area that got a crocket. i dont know what the fricks going ot happen, its a no mans land as far as im concerned. the reports of ruskies digging trenches in cherynoble made my skin crawl, regardless of it being a real threat or not.
Make sure the russians wont need the fleet base at sevastopol any longer because the black sea fleet doesn't exist, along with ensuring the destruction of rout of russian troops in Ukraine through force. Sounds pretty good for russia.
Worst case, no more russia.
But as a rather meek moderate I would advocate for at least "best" russian case along with siezing anything russian on foreign soil, assets and property. Russian shipping is now basically free game, russian citizens in your country are no longer protected by any law, thus they can and should be huntes for sport.
Aside from worldwide nuclear fire a bad scenario is nations seeing the painting on the wall that nuclear weapons are needed to protect yourself and thus nonproliferation is as dead as disco because otherwise nuclear nations would just bully you and everyone clamors for nukes which brings great risks.
It would give us reason to invade and make the orthodoxy in moscow suck Roman Catholic dick like they always have.
>schism over
>Russia: GIVE US WHAT WE WANT OR NOOK!
>World: aaaah scary Russia, lets just let them do what they want
>Russia: MOARRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!
>World: ehmmm, no?
>Russia: ALL DESTROYING NUCLEAR WARRRRR!!!!!
>World: ughhh, okay okay take it..
>Russia: GIVE UKRAAAAAAAINE!!
>World: No.
>Russia: ALL DESTROYING DEVASTATING ANNIHILATING NUCLEAR WARRRRR!!!
>World: Do it.
>Russia: what?
>World: Do it, we're sick of your bullshit.
>Russia: EVERYONE WILL PERISH!!!
>World: Including you, which is okay with us at this point.
>Russia: Nook!
>World: do it.
>Russia: nook?.. 🙁
>US: You know what, frick it. Where's the briefcase?
>World: Seriously?
>Russia: Nyet!
>US: Oh Frick yes, we get rid of the freeloaders and those Fricking Commies.
>World: But you'll have a nice day!
>Russia: Da!
>US: We're exceptionally Fat, most americans can survive years without food, and you people thought our national strategy sucked, HA!
>France: What the frick are they talking about?
>Germany: I don't know, Fat Americans make all kinds of wierd noises, just ignore them and ask for free candy.
>Brittan: *Drunkenly sings* I USED TO RUUULE THE WORLD SEAS WOULD RISE WHEN I GAVE THE WORD!!!
>US: What do you think Canada, we celebrate 4th of July for the next 500 years by nuking China and Russia?
>Canada: Oh now fack youuu, you don't bring us into this ya know?
>World: But how could you! Think of the children! Surely...
>Russia: *Sprawls nuke planning documents on table to remind themselves what they were supposed to do and starts reading*
>US: What other targets should we hit? *Rummages through war plans*
>Japan & Taiwan: *Starts assembling turnscrew nuclear arsenal*
>NORKS: "THE SUN RISES ON GREATEST KOREA, FOR MANY YEARS BEST KOREA HAS..."
>China: "Will you shut the frick up?"
>US: You know what, I don't have a plan to Nuke India. Hey India, do you need a automotive warranty plan?
>India: What What?
>US: DO, YOU, NEED, AN, AUTO-MOTIVE, WARR-ANTY, PLAN? YES OR NO!
>Russia: *Raises Eyebrow out of mess of paperwork on the table*
>India: Yes we do whatever the needful you needfully need do...
>*Full Salvo of warhaeads from one ohio class nuclear sub hits Bangladesh vaporizing it completely*
>Brittan: NOW IN THE MORNING I SLEEEEEP ALONE, SWEEP THE STREETS *HICCUP* I USED TO OWN!
>US: YOUR WARRANTY CLAIM HAS BEEN DENIED!
>India: X-(
>Russia: *Eyes go very Wide in shock*
RIP designated shitting street! ;_;
>Aussies: Facking Hell the 'Muricans have lost it! *Dawn Gas masks and run for caves*
>Kiwi's: Oh What fresh hell is this shit?
>US: *Breaths heavily and Looks around the room to see who opens their big toothy maw next.*
>Russia: *Nonchalantly Grabs a bottle of Vodka, starts pouring shots.*
>NORK: "HEY AMERICANS YOU MISSED SHANGHAI! YOUR NUKES NO WORK! WHAT THE HELL!?"
*90% of the NORK Landmass erupts in one massive fireball and everything incinerates.*
>Japan: No, no, no. I think the Americans hit juuust fine. *WINK*
>US: YOU DID NOT RECIEVE AUTHORIZATION TO LAUNCH YOUR NUCLEAR ARSENAL!
>Brittan: *I USED TO ROOOOLLL THE *HICCUP* DICE AND FEEL THE FEAR IN MY ENEMIES EEEEYYEEESS!!!
>Israel: Authorization? YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO COME TO US FOR AUTHORIZATION!
>US: *Glares at Israel with the rage of 10,000 raped Goyim*
*Israel is totally wiped out by a massive 1000ft tidal wave that also manages to wash mecca out to sea*
>Russia: They had it coming. Da?
>US: *Shruggs*
>GreeceLibyaEgypt: *Starts loading up freightliners to go raiding what's left of Israel and the middle east*
>Brittan: "LISTENED AS THE CROUD WOULD SING, NOW THE OLD KING IS DEAD, LONG LIVE THE KING!"
>Brittan: *hurls puke everywhere, slips, falls on the launch button, ICBM goes over the south pole, in circles, then disappears.*
*An Iceberg the size of france breaks off of Antartica somwhere south of south american and starts sailing north*
>Brittan: One, one, onnn *HIC* Minute eyyy, eye heeeeld...DA KEY! *HIC*
>France: WHO LET BRITTAN HAVE THE LAUNCH CODES!
>Austria: I blame the Swedish.
>Swedes: Now hold one one moment, the Danish...
>China: *Begins frantically shooting nukes at the incoming iceberg and keeps missing*
>Japan: *BEGINS PLAYING WII BOWLING MUSIC*
*A massive explosion occurs underneath the Pacific ocean forcing the iceburg to a path straight between Taiwan and Japan into China.*
>Russia: *looks around room squinty eyed wondering who the frick stole their posiedon tech*
>Taiwan: STRIKE!
>Japan: PERFECT SCORE!
>China: *CCP Heads to their underground 1000 year bunkers*
>Chinese mainland slowly dies as seawater and ice move inland enveloping the entire country in days
>*3 Gorges dam bursts and the melting sea ice floods India.*
>*Phillipine sea and Indian ocean becomes a literal creek of shit from the runoff*
*Africans see what the frick is going on and start moving from the EU back to AfricaMiddle east.*
> Aussies: AW HELL! THE CAVES! THER'S SHIT IN OUR HIDEY HOLES! COME ON GUYS!
> Kiwi's: THE SMELL, OH GOD! *starts to abduct kookabura and breath through their rectal cavity as makeshift gas masks*
> Phillipino's: Hmm. da fishy wishy heads taste better now for some reason and make my ping bong harder...
> Brittan: Nex..next *HIC* THE WALLSssszzz..WERE CLOSED..ON ME! *Pisses themselves*
> *Waves from the Iceburg melting reach the Mediterrean and cause mecca and a crapton of garbage material to lodged the Dandarnells straight.*
> US: Ahh, that's a rough one Buddy.
> *3000ft tidal wave erupts from the sea of marmara, earthquakes level everything else in Turkyie, Bulgaria and most of southeast europe wiped out*
> Russia: Mecca was a thermonuclear weapon, this is why the ragheads blow themselves up for Allah, da?
> *All of the refugee's fleeing EU die off from the blast wave washing their makeshift rafts away*
> Germany: HOW CAN YOU DO THAT RUSSIA!? WHAT ABOUT THE...
> US: Muslims worship god of explody rock? Makes sense to me...How many of those fricking things do you have?
> Russia: Lots...
> Brittan: AND, AND, AND I DISS..DISCOVERED THAT MY CASTLES STAND....*Nods off, and hits another button but nothing happens*
> France: Phew! Who took the Nuke keys away from him finally?
> *Rest of EU Looks around*
> *An ice shelf half the size of Russia begins to rise out of the barents and kara sea's and head south an an alarming rate.
> Scotland: EYE! PILLIARS OF SALT UND SAND INDEEEED! AAAHAHAHAHAAHHA!!!!!
> France: *Stares in ice cold fear at the thought of the Scottish having Posiedon tech...*
> Russia: *Launches everything at the incoming ice sheet and fails miserably to stop it, Russia totally buried under 100ft of ice.
> Finnish: Aaay, a neeewr iceh skating sheet, Tank duuu!
> Scotland: EY YOU CAN DO ROK-ET SLED EXPERIMENTS ON DAT! GET INTO ORBIT!
> Brittan: *Wakes up out of their alcohol induced coma covered in piss and puke* What did eye miss? Oy mah head! Where's the Tylenol!
> Germany: Welp. This turned out Swell.
> Poland: Not so fast.
> Brittan: *Looks squinty eyed over at Germany*
> Germany: France! HELP!!!
> France: Seriously?
> *Poland nukes and starts invading Germany and Ukraine*
> Brittan: "Ah, that's mo're like it! Natchuh is healing I see, Natchuh is healing*
And that ladies and gentlemen of /k is how World War Three will be fought and won by these United States of America with minimal help from NATO.
It really is amazing how one /misc/tard can consistently manage to derail a thread because you autismos can’t help but take the bait every time, without fail.
jesus christ its k not a blog
If Russia were to resort to the use of low yield "tactical" nukes in order to gain advantage over Ukraine it would probably lead to a period of nuclear proliferation almost guaranteed to result in the eventual apocalypse.
Russia resorting to nuclear weapons after being shown to no longer be the eminent conventional power in europe would send a very poignant message to all of her neighbors. "let me win or nukes", to which the reply would be "we're getting nukes". All of a sudden every small post soviet, eastern european nation is scrambling to buy or produce nuclear weapons at every possible scale. Conventional war doesn't matter anymore if it's just going to be a bloody slow preamble to eventual nuke slinging. It would be best for both sides to jump to MAD over every minor border dispute or disagreement, because that way maybe you can avoid the infrastructural catastrophe ukraines dealing with currently, and all the headaches a regular war brings. Russia's made it abundantly clear that Ukraine isn't their final objective, and has increased the rhetoric against poland and even "allies" in places like kazakhstan.
Are we in the Star Trek or Fallout universe?
Both lead to WW3.
But they both took from this.
My brother once told me the story how him and his buddies found an old mine. My brother only walked in as far as he can still see daylight but his crazy buddies walked in deeper. They all lived, but frick that scary shit. Pittsburgh area.
Could’ve woke up 500 years later. Wonder if it was worth it?
look up the paris catacombs and them finding one of the party/raver girls being found like 20 years later. as dumb as that girl probably was, dying alone in the dark lost is a terrifying thought