Active Nuclear Defense

Can hypervelocity projectiles be used to sufficiently protect cities and other important locations in the event of a full nuclear exchange?

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    No, we need nuclear pumped megawatt class x-ray lasers in orbit

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >space
      >real
      lmao

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >the clitoris
        >real
        homosexual.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You could always smack them with gamma ray bursts in the upper ionosphere at ascent and maybe even terminal phase...

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Provided there are enough launchers and the projectiles hit all of the incoming MIRVs, sure. They theoretically could.

    The problem is that even letting a single MIRV through would be absolutely devastating. So the best way to stay safe from a nuclear exchange is to prevent it from happening. In the event of even a limited modern nuclear exchange there would be more than just radioactive fallout, but also political and economical fallout.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Its gonna be really hard to hit something so fast. More difficult than finding a needle in a strawpile. Lasers are the next best thing. Even better if they are in space and dont have to deal with atmospheric interference

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Even if the projectiles are intercepting at 6-7km/sec?

      Provided there are enough launchers and the projectiles hit all of the incoming MIRVs, sure. They theoretically could.

      The problem is that even letting a single MIRV through would be absolutely devastating. So the best way to stay safe from a nuclear exchange is to prevent it from happening. In the event of even a limited modern nuclear exchange there would be more than just radioactive fallout, but also political and economical fallout.

      These are essentially proximity fused hypervelocity autocannon rounds and I'm pretty sure that on the final phase of a nuke launch, the only things that are there are detectable decoys and warheads. I'm pretty sure they already split while still in space.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They split at their apogee and descend upon their predetermined targets yes. The problem you face is that the energy required to propel these rounds to the height you want to eliminate the MIRVs would be damn near impossible.

        What caliber are these hypothetical hypervelocity autocannon rounds.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >what caliber
          Somewhere in the 30-50mm+ autocannon type range.
          >The problem you face is that the energy required to propel these rounds to the height you want to eliminate the MIRVs
          The objective is to destroy the warheads themselves during their final descent. So stratosphere of 20,000-30,000ft + most likely. We're talking like that last 2 minutes before they guys detonate. So if these guys can attain 7km/sec, we're talking 30,000 - 100,000ft + within just a couple of seconds.

          >Earths escape velocity is 11.186 km/s for reference.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Mozyr active protection system, soviets tried it in the 80s with some success

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Never heard of it but can check it out. I figured with railguns or coilguns these velocities can be reached. But now with the advent of advancements in ETC technology, railgun like performance can theoretically be obtained with just cannons with shells filled with liquid propellent. Thus drastically reducing the cost and making the weapon systems a lot more efficient. Two things that are really important for missile defense in general, especially for a nuclear exchange.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    no need for all that, they've been working on countermeasures for a long time, and they've got plenty ready

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The main 'secret' western counter measure is the neutron lens but that is used to disable enemy silos very rapidly BEFORE they launch. The very old early 90s model could pass 200+ silos in something like 2 minutes, basically disable the entire silo based missile system of somewhere like Russia in a few minutes and it does not even destroy the silo just disarms the nuclear warheads and leaves the silo a ghost ship with a few corpses in it. It can even image the other side of the earths crust and was used to partially map the earths core but that was all classified. Same technology is in published journal papers for physicals now. Takes about 30 or 40 years for the civilian world to catch up.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Thank you Reagan. Best president ever.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          He banned assault weapons.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Banned assault weapons, closed the mental asylums, gave a shitload of illegals amnesty. Only neolibs and neocons love that homosexual

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >the mental asylums

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              After one flew over teh Cuckoos Nest the public wanted the mental asylums closed and they were a fricking disaster and had become a haven for every form of medical malpractice known to man, including frontal lobotomy. This had been banned even in Russia by 1950 yet in the USA it kept on going and it was driven by a niche in the US medical profession stacked with sadists and psychopaths. "In 1977, the US Congress, during the presidency of Jimmy Carter, created the National Committee for the Protection of Human Subjects of Biomedical and Behavioral Research to investigate allegations that psychosurgery – including lobotomy techniques – was used to control minorities and restrain individual rights"

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            He made the militias to begin with friend along with Hollywood militia propaganda for national defence like red dawn. Automatic weapons were first controlled in 1934 in the USA and not by him. He was a great man, perhaps the greatest US president ever. He is LOVED by hundreds of millions worldwide for defeating the USSR and every American should be very proud of him.

            • 4 weeks ago
              Anonymous

              >red dawn

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    now remove all the parts of that which don't exist and tell us your plan.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >railguns don't exist
      >ETC cannons don't exist
      >powerplants don't exist
      excuse me?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >not a single operation railgun or ones capable of the stated capacity exist
        >well, actually um
        I hope you aren't as stupid as you seem.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Railguns are not magic, they're actually pretty simple.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you should go make a military viable one, everyone else isn't trying hard enough.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Can hypervelocity projectiles be used to sufficiently protect cities and other important locations in the event of a full nuclear exchange?
    No but western weapons like patriot and ABM technology can. Not a lot of it deployed around cities though generally unless they are capitals or major major airforce bases. Most nukes won't be targeting cities they will be targeting nuclear assets, silos, nuclear warships and aircraft like sub bases and strategic bombers and nuke capable fighter bases.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >5 pound projectile being shot at 7km/sec and delivering 55 megajoules of energy on target with a reasonable effective range of 10-25+ kilometers that can be travelled in less then a couple of seconds being fired at a rate of 1/sec wouldn't be effective
      >But large, very expensive and very few ABM's would be
      wat?

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I appreciate that you drew the sun smiling, OP

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      u r welkum

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Take old "Rods from God" concept
    >Replace tungsten penetrators with absurdly high speed interceptors that use atmospheric reentry to go even faster
    >Have satellite orbit over known launch sites
    >If launch is detected, your interceptors are already in position to catch up to the enemy missiles before they even get done accelerating
    Of course this is assuming Russia can even launch any nukes now lmao I'd bet over half the silos would fail to open and the other half would discover Vasily stole the fuel to sell for krokodil in the 90s

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Have satellite orbit over known launch sites
      Geostationary orbit is so far away, it would be easier to catch up launching from the ground.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anyone who even thinks about actually using nuclear weapons against the USA or NATO is going to die and their family and their people and they will not win or suceed in anything more than that. The gap inn techology and ability between what places like Russia, China or idiot places like Iran have and what NATO and the USA, UK, France etc have up their sleeves for a rainy day means that Russia or China may as well try to0 fight an advanced alien species that has faster than light capability. Consider this. The USA has had advanced artificial intelligence for many many decades that only the crudest and simplest crippleware version of are becoming publicly accessible and it has had access to satellite and the ability to identify an individual just by their walk. Aside from the stuff Reagan put in orbit and under the oceans and the French have under the North Pole etc etc

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >the French have under the North Pole etc etc
      tell me more

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >and the ability to identify an individual just by their walk
      That ain't as advanced as you think. Not only is it pretty easy to do with current ML models, but it's also possible to do with more traditional computer vision techniques.

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