Depleted uranium tank ammunition isn't interchangeable. This only means one thing.
The fun's about to start lads.
ABRAMS HEADING TO UKRAINE
Depleted uranium tank ammunition isn't interchangeable. This only means one thing.
The fun's about to start lads.
Well this better be soon, I want them to see frick some shit up.
veteran?
He's a little person not an amputee so I doubt he's a veteran but who knows in another few years he'll probably get mobilized. It'll be some kind of master blaster unit.
>It'll be some kind of master blaster unit.
product of Russian prenatal care
reckon that is rated better against mines than a bmp2?
Motherfricker about to invade a Walmart in Alabama
I wonder what kind of fresh new /k/opes we'll get when Abrahams get blown up before even reaching enemy lines?
>M-monkey model
>Dumb slavs!
>Blow-off crew hatches worked exactly as designed
>Getting blown up and taken out of action is OK as long as the crew survive, and have to crawl back to friendly lines 4 km in a minefield and under artillery fire...
>Artillery is OP
We’ll send more 🙂 as many as it takes, we’ve got a few thousand lying around in good order. Cheap price to pay for TzD
>Abrahams
The first sign of an ESL paid shill. You stupid fricks ruin our boards. I hope you get drafted, raped by your squad, and sent to meatwave a minefield. Frick you, whether you're Indian, Russian, Chinese, or African. You are worthless, your elders all died for nothing, and you will never breed. Suck my wiener forever.
>Abrahams
>The first sign of an ESL paid shill.
this is funny because you're probably responding to yourself
The perfect T-72 driver bodytype
>Depleted uranium tank ammunition isn't interchangeable
why?
Nothing about the penetrators themselves wouldn't be, but the DU ammo the US developed for the later 105mms wouldn't work in any regular old L7 105mm because it was loaded to bubba's pissin' hot APFSDS pressures. I don't actually know if that's that case for the 120mm and if you can't just stick an M829 into a Leopard 2 and call it a day though.
Dude, the Abrams' gun and L/44 are literally the same and the L/55 was built to handle higher pressures than either.
Nice digits.
Yeah I don't know where OP is getting the idea that the interoperability part of STANAG went out the window all because DU. I am extremely fricking interested in the raw data of performance difference for whichever DU load they'll get (M829A2, maybe A3?) out of a 2A6's L/55, info we'll probably never really get...
Sure would be interesting, though the difference shouldn't be that big. IIRC physics get a bit wonky and there's not much difference between a tungstne or DU dart anymore at the kind of muzzle velocity the L/55 gets.
>physics get a bit wonky and there's not much difference between a tungstne or DU dart anymore at the kind of muzzle velocity the L/55 gets.
That's fair. I can't imagine there'd be too much a difference if the US doesn't seem to be looking for an L/55 upgrade to Abrams', at least for now. Though I won't pretend I wouldn't be as erect as an L/55 if it happened.
>if the US doesn't seem to be looking for an L/55 upgrade to Abrams
the US never upgraded because the L55 doenst fit in the turret
and perhaps also because the L55 might be overrated
Going to the L/55 only makes sense if you are using tungsten penetrators. If you are using DU you can stick with the L/44, the differences in performance do not warrant swapping out the guns on your entire tank fleet and going to a new type of penetrator. At least not for a tank that is in the later stages of its lifecycle.
It's kinda both. Refitting the L/55 into the Abrams wouldn't be a quick swap, you'd need to significantly redesign either the turret or the gun. That's a pretty significant factor when deciding wether it's worth it to switch over.
Germans went to the L/55 to get their tungsten rounds to perform similar to US DU rounds out of the L/44 gun,
I remember reading something about the US testing their 120mm DU darts out of an L/55 which caused stability issues with the dark (Flying too fast) and it was one of the major reasons for not changing from the L/44 to the L/55 because it would require new darts to be made that weren't compatible with the older platform.
glove status?
off
In the ass.
the dick is degloved
war crime
Beautiful
War profit you mean
Challenger 2's are already there with DU
Depleted uranium tank ammunition is a fricking meme, no one is having trouble penetrating tanks and tank on tank action seem to be fairly rare. What's the fricking point except turning the environment toxic?
>turning the environment toxic
That's what they want. They get paid for clean up after.
>Muh dee yoo gon' shoot up yo nads with all dem gamma rays, think of the keeeeeeeeds!
I'm sick of these fricking claims. There is almost no difference whatsoever between the chemical toxicity of TC-Co and that of the DU-based staballoys used in kinetic penetrators[2]. In both cases, said toxicity only manifests when the powdered substances are inhaled, implanted (shrapnel) or ingested[1][2], and even when shattered, ~99.8% of the resultant oxides are too large to be inhaled[3, Pg.152]. Inhaled tungsten carbide was noted to increase the risks of lung cancer and cause pulmonary inflammation in rodents, while ingestion yielded similar carcinogenic effects on digestive tissues[2]. TC-Co contamination also damages local ecosystems to a similar extent to DU, but DU's tiny amount of radiation makes it far, far easier to detect. In short, both are equally poisonous and one shouldn't be incessantly b***hed about while the other is given a pass.
The radiological factor in DU poisoning is pretty much nil, as DU emits such little radiation that an M829A3 120mm AP round emits less than 80% as much radiation per gram than A FRICKING BANANA(14.8/18.4 Bequerels). So if you want the ebin HATO radioactive death-merchant experience, walk through the fruit isle at your local supermarket, take a transatlantic flight, get a few chest x-rays, or spend all day handling live anti-tank projectiles. Whether you choose to do none of these or all of the above, you will still not appreciably increase your risk of cancer.
[1]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2819790/
[2]: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8633919/
[3]:file:///C:/Users/user/Downloads/770258.pdf
[4]:https://www.epa.gov/sites/default/files/2014-03/documents/ffrrofactsheet_contaminant_tungsten_january2014_final.pdf
[5]:Picrel
Why are you replying to me?
I already said DU radiation is similar to daytime sunlight.
I agreed with you, anon. 🙂
[3] is presumably
https://www.hsdl.org/?view&did=770258
TG-238. Radiological Sources of Potential Exposure and/or Contamination. U.S. Army Center for Health Promotion and Preventive Medicine. 1999.
isnt there a streeet to shit, saar?
>when you dont know anything about this topic but decide someones post is off-message based on feeling
It's what we've got loads of on hand, that's it. We only use tungsten for export ammo, out stockpiles are all DU.
At least that makes sense. Its not like Russians are fielding more and more capable tanks, its the opposite with older and shittier models appearing. At this point even the ancient105mm l7 is going to pay for itself.
>What's the fricking point except turning the environment toxic?
It isn't any more toxic than tungsten penetrators.
What about iraq war? There was kvetching it poisoned a lot of civies
Multiple inquiries set up about it found frick all.
There's areas poisoned by white-phosphorous which lead to birth defects in the population.
DU is no more dangerous than tungsten or lead, and basically to get a radiological effect you'd have to sniff enough of it to get killed by the heavy metal toxicity.
The areas which had complaints of birth defects caused by DU dust also had near %100 rates of consanguinous marriage.
Iraq as a whole could be worse in terms of consanguineous marriage, but not much.
>turning the environment toxic?
Lead already does that, as well as other not exactly safe-for-ingestion heavy metals and chemical residues that get flung around in largescale modern warfare. DU is toxic in the same way mercury or lead are. Heavy-metal poisoning is bad regardless.
>no one is having trouble penetrating tanks
Because it turns out Russia lied its ass off about effective protection values on their tanks (see picrel)
>and tank on tank action seem to be fairly rare.
Not extremely rare, it's just that it's one of the many ongoing facets of the war that doesn't get filmed very much (how would the crew manage?). Not to mention that there was a considerable period these past few months where tank use by either side was very sparse (not counting the Vuhledar fiasco). Tank on tank actions definitely do occur, anon.
>Depleted uranium tank ammunition is a fricking meme
Not really, tungsten penetrators are great, they're even less velocity sensitive and can generally be fired at higher relative velocities as than DU penetrators, but will generally only yield as-good or even slightly less penetrative performance over DU (self-sharpening *is not* a meme).
Moreover, tungsten is expensive and not very abundant as compared to DU if you're a major nuclear power (for defense and/or civilian use). The US can field more DU penetrators for cheaper than it'd be able to do with tungsten, while freeing up the use of that tungsten towards other relevant defense needs.
tl;dr no, no DU is not a fricking meme lmao
You should add that the west doesn't have huge Tungsten reserves. The only country with a large amounts of it in the West is Canada and they don't mine it anymore due to environmental issues. DU is a lot less strategically significant for the west.
>You should add that the west doesn't have huge Tungsten reserves
Also this. Aside from cucked Leafs, only China has a large, ready abundance of tungsten (take from it what you may that the Canadians are gayging off on mining tungsten while China corners the global market on it, I'm just saying). Reminds me of all the convenient, totally-all-organic anti-nuke movements cropping up during the Cold War while the Soviets built bombs out the ass lmao.
Tungsten mining and processing is genuinely fricking disastrous for the local environment, tho.
Pic relevant. That's no natural lake, that's the runoff from tungsten processing.
>Tungsten mining and processing is genuinely fricking disastrous for the local environment, tho.
Well. Shit.
Is there no advancement or refining of the mining process that would make it less viable for a Captain Planet episode?
Tungsten is outright ecologically dangerous arguably as bad as uranium
It's been noted as a "material of concern" lately due to it causing slowly increasing environmental damage as it's concentration has been rising everywhere over time.
DU is actually safer. Its stable and has a heavy metal toxicity lower than lead.
Not disagreeing with you at all, but most mine sites have those reservoirs of hilariously toxic shit.
in Europe alone there are Austria, Portugal and Spain together mining enough tungsten for 300k AP tank rounds per year. I would say theres plenty of tungsten available.
Plenty of uses for tungsten beside tank rounds anon. DU has a lot less civilian uses.
yea true, but its not like theres a shortage
So? I said it's more strategically advantageous for the west to use DU, since there aren't huge western reserves of it and we have other uses for it. Yes, we have a supply of tungsten, that doesn't change the previous two points.
DU is a byproduct, as long as the US operates it's nuclear reactors and nuclear carriers and nuclear submarines, there will be a constant supply of DU that needs to be dealt with just as part of the process of creating enriched uranium. Since it's basically free, why not turn it into tank round and shit.
>Lead already does that, as well as other not exactly safe-for-ingestion heavy metals and chemical residues that get flung around in largescale modern warfare. DU is toxic in the same way mercury or lead are. Heavy-metal poisoning is bad regardless.
You kind of left off how Tungsten is NOT nearly as poisonous as lead and DU.
You compared the toxicity to lead but the penetration to tungsten.
Though afaik there isn't much information to compare the heavy metal toxicity of DU versus tungsten. As far as I'm aware, the radiation part is not really a concern. It's about as much as sunlight iirc.
>You kind of left off how Tungsten is NOT nearly as poisonous as lead and DU.
Fair, I kind of assumed it was understood but should've specified.
But no, the radiation won't be a concern, like you said. It seems that most of the concern over DU has always survived off ignorance on that score, alone.
>Uranium is radioactive
>Depleted uranium
>?
>"OH MY GOD IT'S NUCLEAR POLLUTION!"
For tungsten's toxicity, I can't imagine it'd be nearly as toxic as lead or DU, honestly, but it would be neat if there was more documentation on the topic.
DU is only toxic if you are involved in the production/machine process and handling it on a daily basis kind of like casting lead boolits other than that its toxicity is a meme.
It poses a big inhalation hazard after being in a fire (from shooting something or being shot). Alpha emitters aren't really dangerous until they're aerosolized, but that's exactly what happens when they smack into a target vehicle at mach frick.
Yes but the same is true for any heavy metal being on fire.
All fumes from burning heavy metals are very poisonous. The extra radiation is a small amount of poisoning compared to the heavy metal poisoning. Don't breath ANY heavy metal or plastic fumes.
>(how would the crew manage?)
not the crew, the recon drones spotting and directing fire would
There have been cases of drones capturing tank-on-tank engagements. They do happen, but are not super common, especially since the end of the Kiev axis and the rout in Kharkiv.
I suspect we'll be seeing a lot more videos of tanks over the next few weeks. Ukraine has largely been on the defensive since Kherson, but they had at least nine brigades available for this offensive. The recent "every Western tank was destroyed on the first day with no survivors, hohols doomed forever" spam aside, win-or-lose the Russians are going to have to start committing whatever armored reserves they have sooner or later. Probably sooner. Indirect artillery fire, land mines, and the occasional ATGM here and there aren't going to be enough to stop the Ukrainians all on their own.
The Russians HAVE to have *some* relatively modern armor (unmodernized T-72s at least) left in reserve. Gerasimov isn't dumb enough to have yeeted the-last-of-the-last into the Vuhledar woodchipper. I don't know if it's a battalion or a brigade or whatever, but they'll have something. If not, this war is unironically over.
To answer your points:
1. No.
2. No.
3. Maybe if the Russians had a good stockpile of Krasnopol shells and laser designators on hand, but I honestly can't remember the last time anyone even *claimed* the Russians still had those.
4. Counterbattery fire only has to suppress the enemy artillery, not destroy every last barrel. And let's face it, Russia's artillery advantage has been declining for close to a year and the Ukrainians have an absolute advantage in range now. They're using GMLRS pretty liberally at the moment, so their limiting factor is ISTAR, not the availability of gun tubes or 152mm and 155mm howitzer shells.
5. No one is expecting the Ukrainians to push 20km a day, every day, like they're the Third Army breaking out from Normandy. Even if (and that's a very big if) the Russians start routing en masse, the Ukrainians will have to advance in fits and starts just to let their logistics and air defense catch up.
6. We'll just have to see, won't we?
Frick, I shouldn't respond to threads right after my ADHD meds kick in.
If you remember back to early-to-mid 2022, drone videos were a lot less common than they are now, while large Russian tank formations were much, much more common. For the first month or two, most of the drone footage came from Bayraktars and the videos of NLAWs and Javelins were filmed with cell phones, not helmet mounted cameras.
War monitor is a crap source, M256 and L/44 are basically the same gun and can fire the same ammo
DU isn't significantly more toxic than tungsten you fricking moron.
compared to uranium, tungsten is insanely more resistant to corrosion and formation of water-soluble complexes
I'm having trouble penetrating tanks, anon.
Black person, some small bits of decayed uranium isn't nearly as fricked up as the THOUSANDS of mines, undetonated bombs/shells and a fricking dam breach that Ukraine will have to be dealing with for the next 40 years.
This, russhits are fricking plague and need to be treated as such, with total eradication.
I am a moderate.
>no one is having trouble penetrating tanks
That's one way of saying Soviet tanks have dogshit armor.
what curry are you having for lunch rashjeed?
Ukraine and Russia are already using DU so spare your pearl clutching.
>Depleted uranium rounds in stalker zone
Holy based!
DU rounds are a meme. Tank on tank rarely happens
>Both sides in the conflict are fielding tank and mechanized brigades.
>Footage of tank engagements between Russia and Ukraine in 2022.
>There were large scale tank battles in the 1991 Gulf War involving four different armies. There were even some tank-on-tank engagements between the Iraqi and Kuwaiti armies.
>Smaller tank battles occur in the 2003 Invasion of Iraq.
>The Six-Day War and the Yom Kippur War featured some of the largest tank battles since the end of the Second World War.
>There were tank-on-tank battles in the Indo-Pakistani conflicts
>Some small tank clashes in the Korea War. The North and South Vietnamese fought tank engagements.
>The US even had one tank-on-tank skirmish with the North Vietnamese.
>In fact, armored warfare has been the defining trait of ground combat for the last five generations.
>The only exceptions seem to be wars where one or more sides lack significant amounts of armor, and even then there are exceptions.
>You: Tank on tank rarely happens.
Just because a tanker can't use a gopro when he's buttoned up doesn't mean it isn't happening.
There's no way they need DU rounds, against what armor?
Will the depleted uranium shells help the Abrams cross a minefield ?
Will the depleted uranium shells help the Abrams avoid artillery barrages ?
As long as the Russians have forward observers and artillery arrayed across the battle space armor will not have a great effect.
Artillery trumps armor every time. As long as the Russians can prevent Ukrainian air to surface attacks on their artillery and have an artillery advantage the Russians will control the battle space.
Also consider a modern tank division that numbers 400 modern main battle tanks requires 600,000 gallons of fuel to operate every day. You are talking about 100 fuel trucks that only carry 5,000 gallons of fuel at a time operating near the forward edge of the battle space along with their support personnel and equipment.
As long as the Russians have artillery and forward observers and can prevent Ukrainian air forces from engaging their artillery the advantage is to the Russians, by a long shot. Meat grinder it is.
>If I just keep telling myself all these copes, everything will turn out fine.
I like it when the cope is a blogpost lmao.
It's almost as though you're describing the very nature of armored offensive units moving against defensive positions. Surely if everything you say is true, then no armored force has ever managed to break the defensive lines of a prepared enemy in history.
>As long as the Russians can prevent Ukrainian air to surface attacks on their artillery
And surface to surface attacks?
>and have an artillery advantage
You can have a million artillery tubes on the frontline.
If enemy artillery hits the ones covering the area picked for an advance, the million barrels are doing frick all.
Russia at the start of the war:
>a modern mechanized army trumps artillery every single time, which is why most of our artillery is self-propelled
Russia now:
>trench warfare trumps mechanized forces every time
Yes. Yes. No. No. No. Already solved. No.
>Artillery trumps armor every time
Complete bullshit the artillery is only useful against amour when its not moving. Like when bogged down in a minefield once armour gets past the minefields and has some dcent aa cover its over for ziggers. Assuming they are only mining the front line and not just fricking everywhere which would only make sense if they don't plan on retaking ground and they think its all lost.
>and have an artillery advantage
Vanya, I have bad news for you...
Why are these depleted uranium shells big deal?
they aren't
as far as I understand they're only a big deal because russia said they would consider it a type of nuclear escalation, which is technically "true" but also semantic bullshit
Use of tritium weapon sights is also a nuclear escalation.
They're not, but they're one of the standard leftist items of complaint in wars because people think DU means fully radioactive instead of U with the spicy parts stripped out.
DU is self-sharpening and pyrophoric. The penetration advantage vs tungsten is minimal but the behind-armor effect is where DU shines.
its a big deal beacuse russian tv is talking about it and western ziggers gobble it all up and retweet it,
there have even been experimental 308 du projectiles and russian claim its a nuclear weapon
But... russians use DU rounds?
Kinda. Some units HAD du rounds. On paper. Back during the original kiev gesture of good will. Some actually had them, too, like the 4th tank guard regiment.
Nah, bull. We’d have heard about M1s being sent. The rounds are for the Leo2s. Kind of dickish that we’re sending the toxic crap…if this isn’t just fake news.
DU ammo sounds overkill tbh since the existing fricking t72s seems to be able to handle any russian armor being deployed so far
We have more DU rounds than Tungsten rounds moron.
Also this makes the vatBlack folk scared and more likely to surrender- would you wannna stand around getting your trench shelled with uranium?
>using APFSDS to shell trenches
Anon...
A shell is a shell.
>ywn enfilade a dozen ziggers in a straight trench with a 120mm long rod penetrator
Why use AP when you have canister in the rack?
Tankers of /k/, how concerned would you be if during an engagement you got the order to load this shit?
Why would the tanker be concerned? They're not the one about to have their day get worse.
It either means you need to take out a low flying helicopter at close range, or are about to do some grisly shit that will make Khorne laugh until tears of blood run down his face.
Not at all
It was used pretty frequently in the GWOT. Eleven hundred pieces of quadruple-aught tungsten buckshot is quite good against structures and VBIEDs. It also looks like it would suppress a platoon's worth of infantry concealed in a tree line.
Seems kinda like a waste of a round since it doesnt have as much general purpose use as HE but would be fun if you want too perforate a zigger into swiss cheese.
what happens to infantry when this hits them?
Would probably be like shooting a mouse with buck shot but times like 30 since there's alot more balls.
They die
Depends on range. Catch all of them? Blow up. At long range it's like a hail of bullets, you die
>would you wanna
If I were me? Or if I was a russian?
Because the Adventure of the Red Forest Rangers suggests they simply don't fear the same things we do.
For what it's worth, they might have just not realized where they were
58557474
boring bait undeserving of a (you)
>one (1) Leopard confirmed lost
>russian counterattack by 127th Motor Rifle Division smashed apart wholesale, dozens of vees lost
VatBlack person status: Coping, seething and malding.
>one
Send more
>2R mineclearing vehicles
>all visible immobilised, not destroyed
>send more
Woman should be involved with war. I swear the next war to be ran by woman will stack male bodies.
>lies
>gets caught
>changes the subject
>tells the truth
>vatBlack person fails to refute it, posts a bunch of immobilsied vehicles of a compeltely different kind
>some unrelated comment from another poster
FTFY
>this isn’t a leopard 2 it’s a leopard 2R (a type of leopard 2)
Holy fricking /k/ope
The counteroffensyiv really buck broke you Black folk didn’t it
>Russians capturing Leo and Bradley's (translated)
>Another lost Leopard
https://files.catbox.moe/520nve.MP4
>Mudway of Death, lost Leopards and Mineweepers
>“Gorynych Serpent” (UR-77) working Kremensk Forest
>Hohols near Bakhmut
>Lancet meets Leopard (slow-mo)
>Leopard is kil (Official RuMOD remix)
>Geran-2 goes badaboom in Odessa
>Russians attack a AFU column
https://files.catbox.moe/u1b7k9.mp4
>Ukraine AD fail in Odessa
https://files.catbox.moe/pw228a.mp4
>Captured Ukrainian RPG gunner
https://files.catbox.moe/80i1yj.mp4
>POV: Hohol Bradley during Counter Offensyiiv™
https://files.catbox.moe/chst1m.mp4
>Russians dabbing on knocked out Bradleys and Leopard
https://files.catbox.moe/boagnl.mp4
>this isn’t a leopard 2 it’s a leopard 2R (not a type of leopard 2, but rather an entirely different vehicle based on the same mechanical chassis)
FTFY. Also, funny how you didn't evne bother to deny that these vees are just immobilised and by this point will have been recovered and put into repairs.
Not gonna even bother with your collection of vatBlack person propaganda videos after you've proven yourself this much of a lying sub-Black person and are projecting your utter butt-devastation this hard.
Already lost multiple times the ammount of land russia gained the last 6 months and the losses you post include some random "RPG gunner" and a shot down drone?
Lmao
>Mom, I posted all the links again!
This destroys /k/opeBlack folk.
We really need a meme where a wrecked Leopard 2 is in the ring underneath a T-72 but an Abrams is running to it with a steel chair.
>Leopard 2 is in the ring underneath 10 or so T-72s
FTFY. Come on, can't be just one, keep it real.
leo lost to a t72?
>US tanks are so powerful russia considers nukes as an appropriate response
>Russia breaks the nuclear taboo in foreign territory in an undeclared war
>Literally any Russian frickery anywhere in the future gets met with a tactical warhead
The plausibly deniable mercs aren't radiation proof, Pajeet.
Russia now has the right to retaliate with its own nuclear option
don't be moronic anon, anyone being honest realizes this is in no way comparable to nuclear bombs. putin could ape out and lob some low yield nuclear artillery but that's not gonna be good for russia in the long run. I don't think DU tank shells will be the cause of nuclear holocaust
at least I fricking hope putin isn't that moronic
The US Government's big idea to save Germany from communism was to turn it into a nuclear wasteland if communist tanks parked on it.
Better dead than red, as they say
Okay, and?
So did France.
Good bait. Any read man would consider radiation preferable to "communist" occupation.
>sacrificing the one country who started two world wars when half of it was already controlled by Russia
Nothing surprising there.
Nuclear war on my country's soil would likely be less destructive in the long term than communist occupation.
But they did park tanks on it, and the places they parked tanks on it are a complete shithole now.
Lots of sudden DU sceptics. Curious.
Even if they send abrams tommorow the ukies need to train on them so they won t be used till fall/next year . Am i right ?
thats fine, it will be used for the next offensive
I would be very surprised if the training wasn't currently ongoing.
>about to start
in 2024
According to one source it's not just Abrams, there's some other tanks being dragged out of deep storage.
The US only has Abrams
Yes but remember who the US sold their older stuff too?
no
How's that gonna help with the attack helicopters?
>isn't interchangeable
What does it mean? That they need to get a newer version of Abrams to use them or that it doesn't fit into a Leo, so it's a confirmation they're going to get an Abrams?
>t. moron, please unmoron
>What does it mean?
Absolutely nothing. Except maybe DoD doesn't want to make new ammo to placate Rusnigs' feefees. Abrahams being shipped with the DU ammo from existing stocks, and not new ammo.
Also reminder Russian tanks have been slinging Du since day 1. At least those that had them and not just old mango rounds.
Ammo casserole, just like how grand mama used to make it!
You know what, you convinced me. Going to make manicotti tonight.
>Isn't interchangable
Means OP is wrong and doesn't know what he's talking about (surprise!)
German and American 120mm ammunitions are 100% interchangable between Leopard and Abrams tanks. It's simple a matter of selecting the ammo subdes required and indexing that round. On the Abrams GCDP you have ballistic information for every single 120mm round ever used by both Germany and the US stored in the tanks fire control system.
Would an M829 series round perform optimally out of an L55, or a DM series round perform optimally out of an M256? Likely not, but it's a very marginal decrease in performance, and changes in flight characteristics are accounted for with the ammo subdes that tunes said round as best as possible to whatever platform it's being fired out of.
I would expect the DM series to shoot just fine through M256 since Leopard 2A4's also shoot german DM series rounds and the L/44 is basically identical to M256.
ABRAHAMS LEADING THE WAY
I know not really but I wish it were.
I think Abrams would do just fine even with non-uranium ammo...
homie its a metal, uranium is literally a metal
as for escalation i wish for genocide of russians and turd worlders beacuse you people are violent and stupid
Wait... wasnt that what Assad was accused of doing?
Didn't the U.S. government already approve it? Also, will this increase the turret throw distances?
>Depleted uranium tank ammunition isn't interchangeable.
Who told you this?
The point of NATO standardization is that a 120mm round in a Leo 2 will work in an M1 and vice versa
Our visitors from India aren't going to like this, just saying.
does this mean we will get to see a collateral double-kill? that shit is going to go straight through like diarrhea
Here we go again.
Would
>/k/opes
>Abrahams
>Being this new
Go back
Ironic shitposting is still shitposting. But that is probably before your time.
>Russians
>white
You will never be a white man, zigger. You will never be a part of civilized humanity.
Hohol's strongest cope: accusing Russians of being/doing the very thing he himself is.
>every different opinion is a glowie!
Nah just hate russians, simple as. Ukraine? Don’t know or care about it, frankly, but they do seem plucky.
dude, give it up, this is the single place where you can't get away with this, people here have formal training in false flags
Lmfao. Apparently as an independent American who actively opposes alphabets, now I'm a glowie? Suck my wiener forever too, you moronic brown shill. I'm white. I celebrate thirdies blowing each other up at increasing rates. What's your excuse for choosing Russians over Ruthenians? I bet you see a big difference between Chechens and Dagestanians?? Frick off.
Russians will be destroyed .. and you deserve to go with them, exterminated with prejudice
>false flag immediately outs itself that hard
Comrade supervisor, this one's a lost case.
>This only means one thing
Didn't the last lot just get blown up?
What are you talking about?
The ukies have already taken a delivery of DU shells, the depot they were stored in got blown sky high.
Source?
It came to me in a dream.
You know they're gonna drive an Abrams into a mine and we'll never hear the fricking end of it
All those captured tanks will end up in Kubinka museum in Moscow for middle-aged men to take photo in front of.
i heard somewhere that Abrams tanks are very heavy and they need special vehicles to tow them out of predicament situations. Wouldn't that mean that a lot of them will just be abandoned on the battlefield, because there will be few special vehicles to evacuate them?
I bet even Russians wouldn't be able to take those Abrams tanks as a trophey because a simple tractor is not powerfull to tow Abrams out of the ditch
Less ground pressure than a person walking
So if it drives on your face you'll just get light bruises? Care to demonstrate how that works?
Why are you getting mad at me? It's not my fault that you had never heard of ground pressure before now. Simply google it instead of lashing out
the ground pressure seem to be very high when it drives on this car
Ground pressure does not equal weight, yes. I'm sure you can think of a reason why focusing all the weight on a part of the track might increase the pressure
No more (you)s if you're just gonna keep baiting
The weeks of pure seethe when they found out the UK was sending L27 DU rounds with the Challengers was hilarious and provoked multiple nuclear wave threats.
It will be interesting to see what the say to the US about them doing the same, given how the US is a much much larger threat to Russia than the UK.
>Any NATO member poses a threat to Russia other than the US.
Damn.. I hope someone close to you is completely destroyed by this war.
Abrahams are not going to Ukraine.