>so that semi-auto shotguns actually become viable
How would having brass shells accomplish this? Aren't most issues with semi-autos mostly due to low FPS loads like birdshot?
Again, isn't that mostly an issue with low FPS (read: low brass) shells?
Nah, it's true. If left in a box mag long enough it can start to deform the shotshell. It tested it a few times. It usually took over 2 or 3 weeks two to deform tho, the fastest deform was around 2-3 days. Sometimes it was only a litte but sometimes significant. There wasn't any consistency, but there was a difference between manufactures
It never did anything that couldn't be done by significantly cheaper and less complex designs
Pretty much, from what I recall when it first burst onto the scene, the thing is heavy as fuck, which means to integrate it into a squad means you lose a rifleman which no one really wanted to do.
Additionally those smart 12 gauge grenade rounds that were super hyped never got adopted or properly released from what I recall or simply never made it out of prototype stage which was one of the potential main draws of it. Being able to drum feed fully automatic micro grenades was a cool idea, but nothing ever came together.
A 18.5/72ish(12 gauge) caliber gun with a capacity of more then 3 (4,5,6,7,8, 9 ....capacity tubes) that is not very heavy, is reliable for relatively cheap or you can go for a decent semiauto if you got cash.
Its the closest oneshot stop for HD barring extreme shit like stopping rifles.
Cums in 20,16,12 and 10 gauge depending on your particular needs . 12 being very very common. 10 is a bit of a massive overkill but if that doesnt stop a mutherfucker you are fighting the t800.
The reason it failed is the mini 12 ga grenades it was designed to fire never panned out they were to complex too expensive and did not pack enough punch to make anyone drool for them.
Tldr, the repros were put on indefinite hiatus because the guy who owns the dies for the gun got pissed they made their own dies with blueprints and then got the atf involved.
when i was in the military I had a door kicker transfer to my unit he told me a story that the aa-12 was the prefered "room clearing" tool they used other than grenade of course
Yeah most of the shotties sucked ass except the striker and maybe the usas. AA-12 required scavenger if you planned to run it longer than one kill and range if you wanted to kill anything out of knifing distance
Ammo and firearm size.
Ammo is huge and heavy. Recoil is heavy so the gun has to be huge to contain all the recoil attenuation mechanisms.
And the utility of it is mixed.
drum mag
Timing. Came around just in time to be classed as a DD.
Someone needs to just reinvent full brass shotshells so that semi-auto shotguns actually become viable
>so that semi-auto shotguns actually become viable
How would having brass shells accomplish this? Aren't most issues with semi-autos mostly due to low FPS loads like birdshot?
Non-tube magazines can deform plastic hulls with the pressure on their sides.
Bullshit and fuddlore.
Nah, it's true. If left in a box mag long enough it can start to deform the shotshell. It tested it a few times. It usually took over 2 or 3 weeks two to deform tho, the fastest deform was around 2-3 days. Sometimes it was only a litte but sometimes significant. There wasn't any consistency, but there was a difference between manufactures
Again, isn't that mostly an issue with low FPS (read: low brass) shells?
And paper shells, which are about as common as low brass in the year of our PrepHoleube 2023.
No, it's an issue with being made out of plastic and being vertically compressed by a spring
Retard
This has literally never impeded feeding. Stop parroting fuddlore.
Your solution is to make the ammo even heavier?
more reliable to cycle and load in box mags
It's not though.
gay fuck BATFgays hate shotguns because so many agents in the 80s got facefuls of buckshot when they were out grabbin
A good description of it I've heard was "An answer to a problem that didn't exist". It's really cool in Call of Duty though.
life isn't a video game
>life isn't a video game
>implying that a fully auto deer slug launcher isn't combat viable
Post guns gay. I can smell the California air on you.
Shitty design that's been around for 50 years without a shred of interest from any military or LE force on the planet.
Pretty much, from what I recall when it first burst onto the scene, the thing is heavy as fuck, which means to integrate it into a squad means you lose a rifleman which no one really wanted to do.
Additionally those smart 12 gauge grenade rounds that were super hyped never got adopted or properly released from what I recall or simply never made it out of prototype stage which was one of the potential main draws of it. Being able to drum feed fully automatic micro grenades was a cool idea, but nothing ever came together.
It never did anything that couldn't be done by significantly cheaper and less complex designs
The magic doesn't work in closed bolt, which means no good semi version can be marketed to cash in on the hype.
are shotguns even relevant anymore? outside of breeching?
They sure pack a mean punch and are easy and very instinctive to shoot. I'd say they are relevant and will likely stay relevant for a long time
Hunting, home defense, areas with lousy gun laws
They're the CQB meta, if you don't have one you're gonna get clapped and vibe checked in the boog
A 18.5/72ish(12 gauge) caliber gun with a capacity of more then 3 (4,5,6,7,8, 9 ....capacity tubes) that is not very heavy, is reliable for relatively cheap or you can go for a decent semiauto if you got cash.
Its the closest oneshot stop for HD barring extreme shit like stopping rifles.
Cums in 20,16,12 and 10 gauge depending on your particular needs . 12 being very very common. 10 is a bit of a massive overkill but if that doesnt stop a mutherfucker you are fighting the t800.
Subtle noguns post
The reason it failed is the mini 12 ga grenades it was designed to fire never panned out they were to complex too expensive and did not pack enough punch to make anyone drool for them.
What do you think, twice the price of 40mm?
This turd had been on the market for 30+ years before those useless babby grenades were developed.
Tldr, the repros were put on indefinite hiatus because the guy who owns the dies for the gun got pissed they made their own dies with blueprints and then got the atf involved.
when i was in the military I had a door kicker transfer to my unit he told me a story that the aa-12 was the prefered "room clearing" tool they used other than grenade of course
they nerfed it in MW3
Yeah most of the shotties sucked ass except the striker and maybe the usas. AA-12 required scavenger if you planned to run it longer than one kill and range if you wanted to kill anything out of knifing distance
why hasn't the military expressed a need for a full auto shotgun?
Limited range? heavy gun/ammo? Too 'specialized' a role? does a full auto shotgunner get smoked by everyone, statistically?
Ammo and firearm size.
Ammo is huge and heavy. Recoil is heavy so the gun has to be huge to contain all the recoil attenuation mechanisms.
And the utility of it is mixed.
nothing
dedicated combat shotguns went the way of the dodo.
Am I retarded, or wasn’t there an interview that revealed that none of them were nfa registered?