Can I get away with .308 for an Allosaurus, or do I need to scale up to .375 H&H mag or .416 Rigby?
Will .308 be enough to kill an Allosaurus, or do I need to scale up to .375 H&H mag or .416 Rigby?
Can I get away with .308 for an Allosaurus, or do I need to scale up to .375 H&H mag or .416 Rigby?
Allosaurus had hollow bones so you could probably kill it with a 12 gauge slug
>so you could probably kill it with a 12 gauge slug
No doubt. The question is would it die before it swallowed your torso?
Yes.
You have a lot of confidence in your shot placement, and knowledge of dinosaur anatomy.
I dont know much about science but I know if you shoot something in the leg, it usually stops running.
That's what happened to Steven Hawkings right?
Probably because Dinosaurs are a fake psy-op so it's fun to play pretend.
WM Bell used to drop elephants with single shots from 6mm and 7mm rifles. Provided he did so with almost preternatural accuracy, he still proved that the skulls of even very large animals do not stand up well to spitzer style rifle ammunition traveling faster than mach 2.
An allosaurus skull is nowhere near as tough as an elephant's.
A shotgun wouldn't be my first choice when hunting an animal of this size, but it should absolutely be sufficient. A steel or solid brass slug would be ideal, and would break any bone in the creature's body it intersected with, and there's absolutely nothing stopping you from shooting it more than once. A safe kill would be entirely possible with a lead slug or even buckshot, though there would be no reason to take the elevated risk when there are better options.
Bell shot elephants through the earhole because he knew their anatomy well and he was a really fricking good shot. So good, in fact, that nobody else came close to his performance.
I don't know about you, but I don't know Allasauros anatomy all that well, nor I am I confidenent that I could "thread the needle" through its earhole, so IMHO Bell means frick all in this scenario.
Compare the size and shape of an Allasaurus' skull with that of an elephant.
>Bell
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH DO YOU homosexualS EVER SHUT THE FRICK UP?
>WELL HE SHOT ELEPHANTS WITH A SLINGSHOT RIGHT IN THE EAR SO THAT OBVIOUSLY MEANS THAT I COULD TOO
Keep shitting and pissing, I'm sure that'll work.
Nobody in Africa uses slugs for dangerous game. Tough high SD rifle bullets is where it’s at.
Hollow bones like dinosaurs/birds have are stronger than non-hollow bones.
If you do this even casually you will realize the brain is not in the place you think it is
It's not about penetration, there's no animal that a gun can't penetrate. It's about hitting it in a vital organ severely enough to bring it down timely. Size insulates against severe wounds because there's more areas you can hit that aren't vital, and if you do hit a vital area, it may have some redundancy.
>Hollow bones like dinosaurs/birds have are stronger than non-hollow bones.
Not against penetration you unbelievable moron.
No bone of any animal is going to resist being penetrated by any big game round so that's a moot point dumbass. A fricking 5.56 or 7.62 will go through like two layers of cinderblock and they're intermediate rounds, there's nothing in non-hollow bones that's going to stop that. The structure of hollow bones is stronger however, and more structurally resilient.
I know nothing about osseology specifically, but I guarantee this is one of those "stronger than a non-hollow bone of the same weight" things, like how fluted barrels are stiffer *than a non-fluted barrel of the same weight*
Yeah, obviously a 10lb eagle has weaker bones than a 5 ton elephant. I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean, as you scale up the animal it would end up meaning the same thing, especially since hollow bones aren't lighter than other bones due to the material being more dense. Bird bones are heavier for their size than those of mammals.
>The structure of hollow bones is stronger however, and more structurally resilient.
not against penetration, you moron.
Strength is measured in many different ways, but nerds love throwing around meaningless, misleading bullshit. You can be strong by weight, by volume, by tensile strength, you can be harder, or more elastic, or more plastic, you can be more resistant to low speed projectiles, more resistant to high speed projectiles, you can be more resistant to crushing, or to piercing, and all of these get thrown around by homosexuals like you with the word "strength" so you can make cool clickbaity assertions to "wow" other pseuds.
Aluminum is stronger than steel. This is a technically correct statement by average nerdhomosexualry levels of pedantry because in ONE type of strength it is superior, and if you point out that this statement is intentionally misleading, I'll piss and shit.
Cool story bro.
That's what I thought noguns, go back where you came from.
That guy
isn't me. Hollow bones are more dense than your bones, they would be more difficult to penetrate, but again, that doesn't really matter, because there is no big game round you will use that won't penetrate and shatter any bone in the animal kingdom. It doesn't matter if the bone is hollow or not, a .308 or .416 will go through it.
Hollow bones are literally more dense you mong.
Density is not the end all be all of resistance to any given impact you dipshit.
Explain to me why it matters. Find me a bone that can get shot with a .308 and not get penetrated.
I got one that's rock hard baby.
I feel like a gun for a dinosaur would have to be specially designed to take into account their physiology. One of their biggest problems is going to be aiming down the sights with those vestigial arms at the front. Probably the best solution would be some kind of harness over the head, with a sight strapped over it's eye and the actual barrel and working mechanisms lying as close to the skull as possible.
.308 will probably be fine for hunting humans.
This is all a theoretical exercise by the way. I am not a dinosaur myself.
>I am not a dinosaur myself
Of course you're not haha.
So you naturally won't mind if I post one of these
Woah man too soon
>claws typed this post
Get meteorbombed you feathersnake.
solid
Absolutely theropod.
Tell me more, "notadinosaur".
Why have I never seen this one before?
Because it's a ULTRA RARE Pepe.
>microraptor talons typed this post
honestly from what I've seen on Scott's bullshit tests the .416 rigby seems to not give a single frick about whatever it hits, it's going through it.
30hate might drop an allo, but it won't be quick or consistent. I'd use 300wm as a minimum.
Have to keep in mind their mass and density, some are tankier than a water buffalo.
PS. Assume I'm planning to kneecap it or shoot it through the pelvic girdle first and then put a round through the lungs to finish it. Not sporting, but I'm in this to stock a freezer, not state death in the eye.
*stare
A good wheeze, old chap.
Two mass extinctions.
Like any animal, the moment it starts feeling pain, it's probably going to retreat. Especially if the human has the nutritional value of a chicken nugget, a predator of that size wouldn't take the risk for low returns.
average skin thickness of dinos (from preserved skin) is 3mm. Your typical 5.56 round can penetrate ~3.175mm of steel
5.56 lead core out of a barrel longer than 20 inches can penetrate a level III steel plate with a BN hardness of 450+. Those plates tend to be standardized at 5-6mm
Preserved skin is going to be pretty desiccated, though.
You can't really test what it'd be like hydrated.
How thick do you think it was? Because rifles with the right ammunition have no problem punching through a solid foot of wood and the man behind the log.
Just use a .50
Depends on the size. A gigantosaurus had skin 3 inches thick, theres also the fact that, unlike mammals, they have pectoral bones, similar to birds, the theropods are also much larger predators than many land animals alive today, you can shoot it with .556 but will it go deeply enough to actually damage anything vital, and damage it quickly enough to stop it from killing you? Probably not.
>Depends on the size. A gigantosaurus had skin 3 inches thick
That's really not going to do anything to stop a bullet that can pass through a foot of wood.
Is it just minding its business, or charging head-on?
You can quite clearly see from the illustration. that it is right next to him.
Lynx is good for all big dinosaurs
50bmg is the right round since the target is big enough to not explode while being good enough to stop it in 1 round
5.56 and other intermidiate round would be like going grizzly hunting with 45acp, it can work but you better hope skill and luck are both on your side
>5.56 and other intermidiate round would be like going grizzly hunting with 45acp, it can work but you better hope skill and luck are both on your side
Luck on your side?
Something like 99% of all grizzlies ever recorded hit with 45ACP even once died or fricked off immediately.
Yeah, I don't get what that anon was talking about. Handgun rounds can be adequately effective at fighting bears. It's not the best option, but it'll do enough damage.
6 mile Asteroid Chicxulub Pistol
Obligatory
A classic. It inspired me when I made pic related.
LMAO at the people who hold this post up as some kind of authority on fricking anything. Here's just a few issues.
>Fossil record shows the herd would mourn the dead and kill predators in revenge by gang charging them in ambushes.
Even if this were true, which it very likely isn't, there's no way that we could figure it out from just the fossil record. We aren't even sure if every ceratopsian species moved in herds at all, though some of them certainly seem to have.
>Duckbills would be easy pickings with shotgun slugs or anything more powerful than .45-70.
For a man who claims to have killed hippos and elephants, he doesn't really seem to understand what makes them deadly. Hadrosaurs were massive and if they were so homosexual and defenseless like he wants to pretend, they'd have gone extinct well before the meteor.
>Thin frail bones, fossils show many with broken bones from herbivores. Flocked like birds.
Dromaeosaurs do often have broken bones, but they're mostly stress fractures in their toe and finger bones. You know, where the claws were. They were breaking these bones because they were killing shit all the time.
I don't know what he means by flocking, but there's really no way to know if they did hunt in packs or not. For the big boys like Utahraptor the current consensus is leaning more towards them hunting solo. Deinonychus likely grouped up, but people often want to attribute the characteristics of wolf packs to them when it's just as likely that they just ganged up on stuff and then went their separate ways like Komodo Dragons do.
>Pachycephalosaurids charged at 45+ mph and moved in packs.
Speed estimates tend to be less than half that and once again there's no way to be 100% sure if anything lived in groups. People often want to act like pachys were just dinosaur goats.
I would say yes. But maybe no. It really depends.
M242 Bushmaster
Does .50 BMG come in hollow point?
Gee I dunno did you take one second to look it up?
Is it just me or are dinosaurs really smaller than what you thought as a kid. I can swear T-Rex is 2-3x bigger than that. motherfricker isn't surviving 9mm let alone .50bmg
For most people, it's probably from watching Jurassic Park. Spielberg deliberately doubled the size of almost every dinosaur in the film in order to make them seem scarier. The most obvious one is the velociraptor, which went from being knee-height on a grown man to tall enough to look him in the eyes.
>The most obvious one is the velociraptor, which went from being knee-height on a grown man to tall enough to look him in the eyes.
tfw no Utahraptor gf
I understood that reference. I'm more of a Deino guy myself, but Utahraptors are cool too.
>perfect size for scary blowjobs while you're both standing
WWYD if a female humanoid demi-dino rocked up to you?
>humanoid
disgusting, no thanks
Do the Bedrock Rock, of course.
If it's in a semi auto rifle, with a cup and core bullet that has good sectional density, like a 200 gr+ Remington Core loct, Hornady interlock, or a nosler partition I think would be your best bet for a 30 cal rifle. Keep your ranges reasonable(sub 200 yards). Lighter bullets and hollowpoints may have better velocity and expansion, but on large game, sectional density is the tried and true method.
Otherwise like others have said, they're pretty much giant birds, that got spoiled with an oxygen ritch environment and aren't particularly toughly built with muscle and thick bone in the same way we see for modern large land animals, so you could probably treat them like overgrown turkeys and use a 12 gauge pump or good semi with 5-10 rounds of 3" buckshot. Tungsten would be ideal for maximum penetration, provided it patterns well and you can control your gun for potential follow up shots.
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Sasuke please.
JP Rex is actually smaller than the Scotty specimen, but only just barely.
The fact that we hunted mammoths with spears and this image really killed dinosaurs for me.
Tbh there's pretty strong debate among archaeologists as to the extent humans hunted mammoths actively, and if they did, to what extent they physically killed them as opposed to exhausting them or things like driving them off a cliff. Some experiments indicate that spears the likes of which early man used couldn't have possibly caused significant harm to a Mammoth.
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/clovis-hunter-stone-points-mammoth-kill-north-america
>Mammoths and their supersized brethren may have fallen prey to Clovis hunters on rare occasions, but the huge beasts would have typically withstood a hail of spears tipped with Clovis points, Eren contends. Even attempts to disable a mammoth by severing tendons in its legs with bladelike Clovis chopping tools attached to handles would probably have failed. In another experiment, Eren swung replicas of such implements at a simulated mammoth foot consisting of a hoof-shaped slab of 5-centimeter-thick clay surrounding beef tendons. Again, in this best-case scenario, chops with Clovis blades sometimes partially cut a tendon but never sliced entirely through one. Often, blades left tendons untouched.
Typically I don't cotton to nerds being as good at using spearpoints as actual hunters. The number of times people have found spear tips broken off in mammoth pelvises convinces me that our ancestors did hunt mammoths, and the fact that some nerd who wants to do experimental archeology struggles to do what a professional hunter who depends on success for food and prestige finds to be reasonably commonplace seems natural.
> For instance, although more than 10,000 Clovis points have been recovered in North America, mostly at campsites and in storage spots called caches, none have been found embedded in bones of big game.
And, for comparison, how many have been found embedded in the bones of medium game?
Clovis points are only 13,000-16,000 years old and from the Americas. The majority of mammoth hunting would have been done 100,000-15,000 years ago in Eurasia and the majority of American mammoth hunting would have been done 26-13,000 years ago. The Clovis people didn’t see many mammoths compared to the people who came before them. If you think “Clovis” when you hear “Mammoth Hunter” you are on the same level as the people who think that Tyrannosaurus had to beware the Thagomizer on a Stegosaurus.
Bro what the frick are you talking about? Used Clovis points have been found with mammoth bones. Even your own timeframe leaves several centuries of overlap.
Centuries are a tiny fragment of the 100,000 years anatomically modern humans hunted mammoths (or if you include our Neanderthal and Denisovian relatives, 200-250,000 years).
Millennia then smartass, don't dodge the actual point. You knew what the frick I meant.
You homosexuals always want to try and nit pick minor terminology errors so that you don't have to address the actual point and can hopefully make yourselves look smarter. The thing is, you aren't on reddit right now. Nobody plays that game here.
Shut up you dumb b***h Black person, you're the one trying to "Gotcha" me by putting arbitrary restrictions on what I said and then claiming what I said didn't happen because it didn't happen in a tiny fricking window you invented out of whole cloth due to the fact that you don't know what you're talking about.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.ade9068
https://researchworks.oclc.org/archivegrid/collection/data/253639710
https://magazine.wsu.edu/web-extra/the-manis-mastodon-site-an-adventure-in-prehistory/
https://www.jstor.org/stable/276409
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Open-holes-left-by-hunting-weapons-in-mammoth-bones-YMAM-Yana-RHS-A-e-C-Pelvis-with_fig4_257650522
https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Open-holes-left-by-hunting-weapons-in-mammoth-bones-YMAM-Yana-RHS-A-e-C-Pelvis-with_fig4_257650522
https://www.mdpi.com/2571-550X/1/1/3
https://www.livescience.com/64540-ice-age-hunters-spear-mammoth.html
Florida to Poland and everywhere in between, archeological evidence for mammoth hunting with spears is far from rare, and anyone with enough interest in the topic to puke their opinions on it out for the world to see should either know this or kill themselves to stop wasting oxygen.
>If you think “Clovis” when you hear “Mammoth Hunter” you are on the same level as the people who think that Tyrannosaurus had to beware the Thagomizer on a Stegosaurus
Here you're basically saying that the 2 didn't exist alongside one another at all when they did and were used on them. Sparingly perhaps, but still used. Don't screech at me because you made ridiculous claims.
>> For instance, although more than 10,000 Clovis points have been recovered in North America, mostly at campsites and in storage spots called caches, none have been found embedded in bones of big game.
>Used Clovis points have been found with mammoth bones.
Sorry, misread you and though you were the first Black person.
I do appreciate an aggressive yet well sourced counter argument
tbf nobody knows what Spinosaurus looked like because the holotype was annihilated by *somebody* bombing the shit out of the Munich museum where it was kept
skill issue
There have been a lot more Spinosaurus specimens since the Holotype lmao, the holotype isn't even the most complete specimen anymore.
Good, but this doesn't change the fact that the good guys lost WW2.
>somebody
>those triceratops kills on the fuselage
I'd use a .338 Lapua Magnum with some kind of hunting round like pic related
Yes. Dinosaurs aren't motherfricking armored vehicles, they're flesh and blood.
Frick you. American gun slinging dinosaurs would frick you up.
fun fact: T. Rex literally was an American dinosaur
Laramidia was just as infested with Asians as it is today. Tyrannosaurs are Asian.
Does that mean if I frick a T Rex it's technically WMAF?
>Elliot Rodger but he's half-T. rex
oh no
>The Supreme Gentlesaurian
There was nothing wrong with Eliot a few beatings couldn't have solved.
Wrong, T. mcraensis pushes the evolution of the robust line of Tyrannosaurids back millions of years and also back to southern Laramidia. Tarbosaurus and Zhuchengtyrranus are descended from Laramidian Tyrannosaurs and not the other way around.
T. mcraensis proves that the big ones came from here. The family still comes from Asia.
All theropods came from America if you go back to the Triassic, but also tyrannosauroidae is such a fricking wastebasket mess that you really can’t believe everything they say about it. Anyone doing Coelurosaurs who desires any mainstream attention calls their shit a “basal tyrannosauroid”, and not enough work is being done to separate the chaff from the wheat.
alright /k/ommandos, reptile expert here
for these little scaly or feathered frickers it actually doesn't matter, i've shot the shit with my highschool buddy once and at best we assumed their scales and hide were pretty much on point with IIIA (you should know what this is) but yeah to be honest the overall kinetic energy is still important and even then you'd have to pray on your knees to jesus that it actually penetrates an organ if it keeps up its velocity after skin or scale penetration
be safe, use a .308
jurassic park never made sense so if your schizophrenia is on point be the dumbshit you are and acquire a .50 cal just for this purpose that you alone have made up in your mind
and yeah, im still not sure if allosaurus were the same ones that had the hollow bones that the birds do, and with this still being argued due to fossilization research, im just gonna ignore the entire 'hollow bone' part
>at best we assumed their scales and hide were pretty much on point with IIIA
What animal specifically did you think had skin that could stop a 44 magnum?
>reptile expert
The term is herpetologist anon. Come on now, this is basic shit that everyone here already knows.
sorry to mistake you in specific, im using baby words for the average PrepHoleite
Semi-auto rifle claps Dino cheeks. My fellow Carnivores players already know.
Better question: where should you shoot it?
Ideally for an instant kill, maybe a hand's span behind the eye. Otherwise, you're going to aim for the lungs or heart, which if I recall correctly are above the arms.
If he's looking at you head on, obviously you just shoot at his head, ideally you hit level with his eye, rather than his nose.
As it is about to eat you, you stick your gunhand into its mouth and shoot it from the inside.
gonna go with a dangerous game cartridge, there's a reason that people who hunt professionally don't carry ARs.
Yeah, because rusty, beat-to-shit AKMs are free.
>Can I get away with .308 for an Allosaurus
Probably, I've heard they're pretty fragilis.
They just couldn't help themselves.
you gotta poison them to sleep, then feed them prime meats, then you can ride it around and fight other dinos.
>it takes way too long, just cheat instead