The Armour of Contempt has some of the most kino, true to lore 40k stuff with the new guardsman recruit going through the shit on his first day that's more horrific than the misery porn that is 15 Hours
This guy is right. The first three omnibusses are good. So like the first dozen or so books. After that it's just jerking off the named characters that survived long enough.
I dunno, I feel like 5-7 were the weakest ones. An endless wankfest of random troopers getting killed in horrible ways while not much else happened of importance. Then it got good again with Traitor General, His Last Command felt pointless, and after that it was good.
The best part about the Cain books is that it's what military life is really life, even with the heroic escapades. All Cain wants to do is sit around, play chess, drink tea, and occasionally deal with disciplinary issues. First arc of the first book is classic military literature. On par with Starship Troopers.
I doubt that's what actually happened, narratively. The stories are Cains recollections of his adventures, so he's narrating this after a lifetime of being in live with his hot blonde Inquistor gf
I enjoy the series, but I find it impressive that you selected one of the few non-military characters in a setting that's 90% focused upon the various military factions.
the true 40/k/ino books are the old imperial armor books that are based on old Osprey Publishing military history books right down to the writing style and the illustrations.
I know they were going more for the feel and style of those Osprey books, and they did very well, but I haven't been able to enjoy them as much once I realized that the authors only have a pop-culture conception of the wars they're aping, at best.
Vraks is maybe the worst offender; all the typical pitfalls of Hollywood WW1 played straight and taken to moronic heights. The way the battle is fought and how it goes is nonsense to the autists who are unfortunately most likely to be reading it.
>Nobody can afford to play 40k anymore
This shit blows me away. It's just getting worse and worse and you can't buy new stuff even if you can afford it because it's always out of stock. I don't know how anyone still plays the hobby.
3d printing. seriously a resin printer is worth its weight in gold when it come to table top games at this point. FDM works OK for vehicles though (and guns)
I'm really kind of pissed that out of like 14 Horus Heresy Books. So far my favorites have been about characters and factions I don't actually give a shit about. Fulgrim, A Thousand Sons, and Nemesis are fricking kino.
Weird, I skipped nemesis because it sounded shit. First Heretic and Know No Fear were great though even though I have no interest in Ultrasmurfs or Word Bearers. The Bearers' backstory is really neat and Know No Fear is just a really well written book. I love that it basically opens with start the clock on the engagement and then the rest of the book is a play by play of the battle of Calth from loads of different perspectives while the engagement clock ticks
it's literally written so you only have to read like what 5 books in the series to get the whole story before moving on to the siege of terra series.
horus rising, false gods, Galaxy in flames, and flight of the Eisenstein, and fulgrim if you want to read about the istvaan 5 dropsite massacre and that's about it.
the rest of the books are only if you want to read about a specific legion's that you like storyline.
5 books seems like a lot but just listen to the audiobooks if anything during drives or doing chores or whatever and you'll finish them all within a month or two.
I've read/listened to most of the books and honestly the only legion's storyline that I found to be boring was the blood angels, the rest varied from alright to great. i think the emperor's children storyline is the best and most interesting, and the buried dagger with the death guard is written amazingly.
Honestly, I'm of the same opinion. I'm on book 18 or 19 right now which is something something Corvax, but my favorites have been the alpha legion book, nemesis, and The Outcast Dead. TOD I had zero interest in before going into because of the cover art, the synopsis, and because it seemed unrelated to the main story, but it ended up being genuinely a great story. This much is surprising, coming from Graham McNeill.
No they're garbage lol.
Literally all WH40K, in fact all GM shit in general, is mindless shit for morons. It's always incredibly cliched and derivative. There's so much better science fiction out there to spend your precious time on this planet enjoying, I really don't understand why anyone would choose to waste it on this mass produced pulp garbage written by and for morons.
There's not harm in enjoying pulp on occasion. And let's not forget even GOATs like Robert E. Howard wrote pulp.
Abnett and Fehervari pass muster as actual novelists even by PrepHole "standards". For Abnett, certainly not his entire body of work, but he did pump out enough decent stuff to qualify.
People like it because it looks cool. Maybe if whatever you enjoyed so much was even remotely interesting then people would like it enough to talk about it too.
Abnett's 40k stuff has definitely fallen off. But I guess that's not all that surprising given he's been burning himself out on this franchise for 25 years.
Everyone keeps bringing up the usual 40k stuff but what are some smaller or less well known books you think people should try. My votes are Double Eagle, which is a stand alone novel about the Phantine Air Corps from The Guns of Tanith (I think), and the Baneblade series by Guy Haley for the tank kino. Book 1 was pretty meh but I liked book 2 a lot since you get shit like 2 super heavy tank companies assaulting a fortified star port during an assault landing by the Guard.
My pick would be Peter Fehervari and his Dark Coil books. Besides Abnett, he's the only 40k author of actual literary note, imho.
More /x/ than /k/, tho.
I did enjoy Guy Haley's Baneblade and Shadowsword well enough, basically Band of Brothers in space slop.
GG is basically just Sharpe IN SPACE!
Which means that they are pretty fun to read if you want some time killed and not have to think about the plot that much.
Read the batlefleet gothic tie in books for some cool navy action.
Otherwise I reccomend Haley's Dante series and the recent Minka Lesk books which are some of the best guard fiction I've read in a while
Speaking of tank stuff, the 2 tanks that come to support the Ultramarines in Know No Fear always steal the show. Coming out of the fog and obliterating traitors and taking down titans.
You might not like Shadowsword then lol. There’s a scene (that’s honestly pretty cool) where the IG has been counterattacked by Emperors Children supported by a Warlord Titan amongst others so a group of (3?) Shadowswords are split off and lay an ambush. They let it get within like a kilometer and all fire at once hitting the knee, which is not destroyed and requires a second shot by the only Shadowsword which survives the return fire to take off its leg at which point it’s finished off by a Warhound
Straight Silver is what got me into the Guard specifically, but I'm also a sucker so idk if that means much.
Apart from that, I'd agree that Gaunt's Ghost's is a solid series overall. It can be a bit hit-or-miss, of course, but I'm told it's basically Sharpe: 40k Edition (never seen the show or read the books, so can't confirm directly).
I just kinda lost interest in TV/movies as a whole about a decade back. Something about how making the movie/show my primary focus is too passive, but watching a movie/show on a second monitor is too distracting from whatever I'm doing on the main screen. Sharpe's definitely on the top of the list if I ever get back into that kind of media, though.
Is ok
It misses something that veteran war books have
If you want gimdark just read Sven Hassel
Books mention a lot of things like kzcamp for germans, aerosani, vampir and other shit that I thought were made up shit
Also firebombing that is eerily similar to slaughterhouse 5
Slaughterhouse 5 is the newer book
He may have served or not
Don't care
Blood, guts, prostitutes, booze and no glory
BL books are peak garbage, written by literal ex marvel/dc writers, you might as well read captain america and other reddit capeshit stuff. FW (forgeworld) books are actually good, be it old 40k or 30k ones
so many braindead homosexuals in this thread
I read fire caste randomly and it turned out be frickin sick, colloquially referred to as Apocalypse Tau and one of the best books for capturing the everyone's an butthole nothing makes sense feel of the setting.
Some of them are.
The Armour of Contempt has some of the most kino, true to lore 40k stuff with the new guardsman recruit going through the shit on his first day that's more horrific than the misery porn that is 15 Hours
>tfw no cute Vervenhive troopfu mommy
That little shit is so goddamn lucky he got to be held against those breasts.
Fair enough considering what he was, his ultimate fate
nah 40k books are pretty mid
They're okay, but the books at the end of the series are horribly written.
This guy is right. The first three omnibusses are good. So like the first dozen or so books. After that it's just jerking off the named characters that survived long enough.
I dunno, I feel like 5-7 were the weakest ones. An endless wankfest of random troopers getting killed in horrible ways while not much else happened of importance. Then it got good again with Traitor General, His Last Command felt pointless, and after that it was good.
They are complete and utter slop.
But in a fun way.
Na, there are a few stinkers in the middle,.but it actually gets good again.
Get's a bi stale, but the first few books are fun reads.
Ascend to REAL 40k military kino.
This is the *REAL* 40k military kino.
http://www.theallguardsmenparty.com/
AGP is absolutely kickass
I preferred these to gaunt but I enjoyed them all
A nearly mindless ripoff of Flashman and Blackadder. Literal garbage for morons.
The best part about the Cain books is that it's what military life is really life, even with the heroic escapades. All Cain wants to do is sit around, play chess, drink tea, and occasionally deal with disciplinary issues. First arc of the first book is classic military literature. On par with Starship Troopers.
>turns down a Slaaneshi sorceress because he prefers blondes
Cain could not possibly be more of a Chad.
I doubt that's what actually happened, narratively. The stories are Cains recollections of his adventures, so he's narrating this after a lifetime of being in live with his hot blonde Inquistor gf
thats not Eisenhorn though?
Eisenhorn isn't Military. He's an Inquisitor.
I enjoy the series, but I find it impressive that you selected one of the few non-military characters in a setting that's 90% focused upon the various military factions.
the true 40/k/ino books are the old imperial armor books that are based on old Osprey Publishing military history books right down to the writing style and the illustrations.
I know they were going more for the feel and style of those Osprey books, and they did very well, but I haven't been able to enjoy them as much once I realized that the authors only have a pop-culture conception of the wars they're aping, at best.
Vraks is maybe the worst offender; all the typical pitfalls of Hollywood WW1 played straight and taken to moronic heights. The way the battle is fought and how it goes is nonsense to the autists who are unfortunately most likely to be reading it.
40k books are fricking gay.
>40k books are fricking gay.
That is a 40k fan.
Austrian Painter.
Nobody can afford to play 40k anymore so they're moving onto Battletech. Which is good news for /k/
>Nobody can afford to play 40k anymore
This shit blows me away. It's just getting worse and worse and you can't buy new stuff even if you can afford it because it's always out of stock. I don't know how anyone still plays the hobby.
It's all part of the GW plan. They don't make wargames, they make 'collectables'.
3d printing. seriously a resin printer is worth its weight in gold when it come to table top games at this point. FDM works OK for vehicles though (and guns)
As 40k books go they're pretty good. As military fiction/military sci fi they're kinda . . . eh.
I'm really kind of pissed that out of like 14 Horus Heresy Books. So far my favorites have been about characters and factions I don't actually give a shit about. Fulgrim, A Thousand Sons, and Nemesis are fricking kino.
Weird, I skipped nemesis because it sounded shit. First Heretic and Know No Fear were great though even though I have no interest in Ultrasmurfs or Word Bearers. The Bearers' backstory is really neat and Know No Fear is just a really well written book. I love that it basically opens with start the clock on the engagement and then the rest of the book is a play by play of the battle of Calth from loads of different perspectives while the engagement clock ticks
The HH series is like 95% filler trash that's poorly written even by warhammer standards and the rest are either important for lore reasons or good.
it's literally written so you only have to read like what 5 books in the series to get the whole story before moving on to the siege of terra series.
horus rising, false gods, Galaxy in flames, and flight of the Eisenstein, and fulgrim if you want to read about the istvaan 5 dropsite massacre and that's about it.
the rest of the books are only if you want to read about a specific legion's that you like storyline.
5 books seems like a lot but just listen to the audiobooks if anything during drives or doing chores or whatever and you'll finish them all within a month or two.
I've read/listened to most of the books and honestly the only legion's storyline that I found to be boring was the blood angels, the rest varied from alright to great. i think the emperor's children storyline is the best and most interesting, and the buried dagger with the death guard is written amazingly.
Honestly, I'm of the same opinion. I'm on book 18 or 19 right now which is something something Corvax, but my favorites have been the alpha legion book, nemesis, and The Outcast Dead. TOD I had zero interest in before going into because of the cover art, the synopsis, and because it seemed unrelated to the main story, but it ended up being genuinely a great story. This much is surprising, coming from Graham McNeill.
No they're garbage lol.
Literally all WH40K, in fact all GM shit in general, is mindless shit for morons. It's always incredibly cliched and derivative. There's so much better science fiction out there to spend your precious time on this planet enjoying, I really don't understand why anyone would choose to waste it on this mass produced pulp garbage written by and for morons.
Enjoying 40k requires an IQ of 90+. That's not a high bar, but, even so, it seems you can't clear it.
There's not harm in enjoying pulp on occasion. And let's not forget even GOATs like Robert E. Howard wrote pulp.
Abnett and Fehervari pass muster as actual novelists even by PrepHole "standards". For Abnett, certainly not his entire body of work, but he did pump out enough decent stuff to qualify.
People like it because it looks cool. Maybe if whatever you enjoyed so much was even remotely interesting then people would like it enough to talk about it too.
Oh no, people are enjoying things I don't enjoy! Better tell them the RIGHT way to spend their time!
(spoiler)
Seeing them solo men of iron with flashlights like it's nothing was the first sign for me that Abnett is a hack
>solo
>like it's nothing
Those things were scary as frick and also badly broken.
If you're not into 40k already then probably not, but that's my default answer to anyone asking about any 40k book.
I'm at Honour Guard currently and I'm not as bored out of my mind as I was with Ciaphas Cain by Book 4 so that's something.
Abnett is an excellent writer, idk about /k/ approved but just from an enjoyability standpoint I highly recommend his novels
Especially Eisenhorn/Ravenor/Bequin
Bequin is going down really moronic plot lines Abnett started with the HH books that are just stupid.
Abnett's 40k stuff has definitely fallen off. But I guess that's not all that surprising given he's been burning himself out on this franchise for 25 years.
yes
Everyone keeps bringing up the usual 40k stuff but what are some smaller or less well known books you think people should try. My votes are Double Eagle, which is a stand alone novel about the Phantine Air Corps from The Guns of Tanith (I think), and the Baneblade series by Guy Haley for the tank kino. Book 1 was pretty meh but I liked book 2 a lot since you get shit like 2 super heavy tank companies assaulting a fortified star port during an assault landing by the Guard.
15 hours
Relentless. It's a Navy book about a new cruiser captain trying to reform a corrupt ship.
My pick would be Peter Fehervari and his Dark Coil books. Besides Abnett, he's the only 40k author of actual literary note, imho.
More /x/ than /k/, tho.
I did enjoy Guy Haley's Baneblade and Shadowsword well enough, basically Band of Brothers in space slop.
Titanicus was a fun read
It's from Dan's slump where he tried do something novel and didn't go all trump derangement syndrome yet
Bloodlines from the Warhammer Crime series is pretty good
I liked Fire Warrior.
GG is basically just Sharpe IN SPACE!
Which means that they are pretty fun to read if you want some time killed and not have to think about the plot that much.
Read the batlefleet gothic tie in books for some cool navy action.
Otherwise I reccomend Haley's Dante series and the recent Minka Lesk books which are some of the best guard fiction I've read in a while
The Watcher in the Rain was good. It was just a short story though.
i enjoyed outgunned
The Shira Calpurnia trilogy. It's about a high level arbiter dealing with civilian life and inter-imperial politics.
Speaking of tank stuff, the 2 tanks that come to support the Ultramarines in Know No Fear always steal the show. Coming out of the fog and obliterating traitors and taking down titans.
You might not like Shadowsword then lol. There’s a scene (that’s honestly pretty cool) where the IG has been counterattacked by Emperors Children supported by a Warlord Titan amongst others so a group of (3?) Shadowswords are split off and lay an ambush. They let it get within like a kilometer and all fire at once hitting the knee, which is not destroyed and requires a second shot by the only Shadowsword which survives the return fire to take off its leg at which point it’s finished off by a Warhound
Dunno why you think I wouldn't like that. That sounds awesome. Tanks taking down mechs is always kino.
Banebalde and its squeal Shadowsword are pretty good. Especially so if you like armored combat
Titianicus is a long favorite of mine
it's the only 40k novel that has gotten a phrase stuck in my head "they will walk"
>Crew emptying latrine shell when threatening unknown pilot
Enough said
Macharius was pretty great if occassionally forgotten about.
Straight Silver is what got me into the Guard specifically, but I'm also a sucker so idk if that means much.
Apart from that, I'd agree that Gaunt's Ghost's is a solid series overall. It can be a bit hit-or-miss, of course, but I'm told it's basically Sharpe: 40k Edition (never seen the show or read the books, so can't confirm directly).
>never watched Sharpe
What the frick are you doing?
I just kinda lost interest in TV/movies as a whole about a decade back. Something about how making the movie/show my primary focus is too passive, but watching a movie/show on a second monitor is too distracting from whatever I'm doing on the main screen. Sharpe's definitely on the top of the list if I ever get back into that kind of media, though.
>As soon as I saw a Sharpe post I had to reply, that’s just my style sir
>never seen the show or read the books, so can't confirm directly
You need to fix your shit NOW and go watch Sharpe
I always thought Abnett's earlier books were bland as hell. I feel like he didn't get good until Ravenor
>are they /k/ approved?
Absolutely fricking not. 40k is really gay.
The Path of the Dark Eldar is the best 40k series.
Is ok
It misses something that veteran war books have
If you want gimdark just read Sven Hassel
Books mention a lot of things like kzcamp for germans, aerosani, vampir and other shit that I thought were made up shit
Also firebombing that is eerily similar to slaughterhouse 5
Slaughterhouse 5 is the newer book
He may have served or not
Don't care
Blood, guts, prostitutes, booze and no glory
BL books are peak garbage, written by literal ex marvel/dc writers, you might as well read captain america and other reddit capeshit stuff. FW (forgeworld) books are actually good, be it old 40k or 30k ones
so many braindead homosexuals in this thread
no! don't read that slop. Please read this Reddit -slop instead
don't care still want an MR 73
I've only read the first book. It's pretty good for 40k, but that really isn't saying much.
I read fire caste randomly and it turned out be frickin sick, colloquially referred to as Apocalypse Tau and one of the best books for capturing the everyone's an butthole nothing makes sense feel of the setting.