A CLEAN Ruger mk4 is equally as reliable as a centerfire handgun especially with good 22 ammo. You can mag dump 10 22 rounds into a very small area with ease with one of these. I have never had my mk4 jam on me unless I’ve shot hundreds of rounds without cleaning. Refute this setup as a home defense pistol.
dont care, im not gonna fill out a 4473 for a glorified pellet gun that cant kill humans
Frick ya mudda
for different reasons
.22lr is the most deadly round because it bounces around the body like a ping pong ball.
Get off PrepHole, dad
fudd moment
>it's MY CHOICE that i dont own any guns!!!!
dilate
If you took your own advice you'd be shooting something bigger than rimfire 22lr
and what advice was that that i gave
You're missing out friend
9/10 bait I almost got angry
>.22 longreddit
>reliable
it's one of those threads...
I'd rather use something like a 10/22, if I was willing to risk .22 LR's iffier ignition for self-defense, for superior terminal ballistics. No one ever said a (reasonable) configuration of a 10/22 wasn't pretty handy.
>.22 longreddit
The hell is wrong with you?
I bought a MK IV this year and had a 5% stovepipe rate. Sent it back to ruger for work, haven't had a chance to thoroughly test it yet, but I wouldn't trust my life on it
Same here got a ruger mkiv 4~5% stovepipes , once had a malf killing a rat in cqb had to clear malf and return to battle.
Great gun though, just don’t forget its 22lr in a semi auto handgun so 4% malf is respectable. But as the other anon said, i wouldn’t trust my life on it.
>killing a rat in cqb
Godspeed, anon.
Bad luck I guess, mine chewed through mini mags and Aguila with no issues. Rugers assembly though sucks ass. Every single fastener came loose within a week and a few range trips
Nice gloves homosexual.
Go outside
OP here for the first couple hundred rounds I did get a lot of malfunctions but that’s just normal break in period then after that it’s been super reliable. Also I don’t get the whole 22 will fail to ignite, I’ve shit thousands of CCI mini mags with no FTF’s. Maybe you guys shoot crap ammo
Same, there was a point where I couldn't get through 2 mags without at least 1 stovepipe. While it's gotten *better* since then it still isn't as reliable as i'd like
.22 itself is unreliable in the sense that it fails to ignite more regularly than other calibers, and that it also fails to stop attackers at a higher rate than other calibers despite killing them at a similar rate. If you're buying gucci .22 ammo to avoid the ignition failures, there's no more advantage to shooting it than a centerfire caliber, while retaining the disadvantages
Problem is that even gucci 22lr can't really easily avoid them, it's kinda fundamental to how rimfire works and there isn't any great way to test it. Primer gets squirted into the tiny rim, it's just really hard to ensure there are zero voids, and since it's metal you can't just see if there are any, or even trivially see through it any other way either since metal is pretty good at blocking stuff. A failure to ignite for rimfire isn't necessarily a dud at all, like 99% of the time if you just load it again in a different orientation it'll shoot no problem we just got unlucky hitting a void one shot.
22lr is ok on power at <10yd but it does suffer out a handgun barrel, enough where I actually would start to get a little concerned. But mainly I just don't see it as worth it.
>Refute this setup as a home defense pistol.
In home defense size is irrelevant. Full size HG/Can (or integral even) is fine. So
>A CLEAN Ruger mk4 is equally as reliable as a centerfire handgun especially with good 22 ammo. I have never had my mk4 jam on me unless I’ve shot hundreds of rounds without cleaning.
Not my experience at all. I think I saw more like a 2-3% fail rate which is lower than what some above anons were saying but that's still enormously higher than centerfire. If it had some other big value that'd be nice but it doesn't.
>You can mag dump 10 22 rounds into a very small area with ease with one of these.
I can do that with 380 or 9mm out a full size HG too though. Home defense features very short distances.
I mean, it'll probably still work so your call, any gun is better than no gun. But I don't see any need to drop that low. Energy too, US military says 59 ft-lbf as its absolute minimum lethal energy marker, and that's already going to be seeing heavily reduced effectiveness in terms of probabilities. Out a 5" barrel, 36gr Rem Golden HP 22lr for example loses ~200fps vs a rifle ending up at about 81 ft-lbf at the muzzle. That's certainly still potentially lethal, but getting real close to the line. 9mm for example tends to be in the 350-550 ft-lbf range.
I feel like a full sized compensated/canned pistol with a weapon light, extendo, and red dot is best for home defense, I need a free hand to open doorknobs, flick light switches, pull aside curtains, etc. Concealability is obviously not an issue so go big
Agree overall, though:
>I need a free hand to open doorknobs, flick light switches, pull aside curtains, etc.
I have lights on motion, remote control etc, my house overall is quite open and certainly the choke points are. I'm never going to be "room clearing" in home defense which makes no sense to me, it's my castle, defender has the advantage. I just need to go to one of my protected points that covers all avenues of approach and hold until police arrive. I have light patterns programmed leaving those spots in darkness while lighting up entrances, stairs etc. If they ran into my basement or something then I'm not going to go down after them, I can just cover the door for if they come back out and otherwise leave it to the professionals. There's nothing particularly important down there, if my family and core stuff is safe that's gudenuf.
Though yeah go big, which is why a rifle or shotgun is often going to be even better. All this of course assumes reasonable foundational home security too.
My centerfire had no break-in period, and as far as 22lr ammo, I use CCI too and that just hasn't been my experience. Dunno what else to tell you.
Like I said your call, it probably works, and of course you'll probably never need it anymore than the rest of us will. But you're not proposing something cheap, rugers are nice pistols. By the same token you're making no active argument for it over 9mm, unless someone just was legit physically so weak that 22lr was the most they could handle. I'm not even shitting on that, a 70 yo grandmother absolutely unironically still has a right to self-defense. It just doesn't apply to me.
>You can mag dump 10 22
its not a 10/22, its a mkiv
Amen, OP. Nice setup
Thats not a picture of his setup, thats just a stock photo from maxim's website. Honestly doubt OP owns one, as if he did hed have probably posted it instead of a stock photo
Not OP but post guns kiddo
ok
You bought I toy and are too poor for anything else. Hell maybe you didn’t even buy it and it’s a hand me down. Try not being poor and you can afford something decent.
You can't shoot an automatic 22 without it getting dirty and malfunctioning, you're lying. Literally all small handgun calibers including 38sp, 9mm, 380acp can be mag dumped with low effort. "My gun hasn't jammed yet/doesn't jam" is noguns speak for you haven't shot enough to learn how to clear malfunctions.
>clean new MK4
>fire a single round, fired it reliably
>fire the second round, it jams
WELL OBVIOUSLY IT GOT DIRTY, ITS RELIABLE AS LONG AS ITS CLEAN
>A CLEAN Ruger mk4 is equally as reliable as a centerfire handgun
>especially with good 22 ammo.
So its on par with an ok condition glock with alright 9mm rounds
My Glock will go bang every time and cost less. Ammo is more expensive, but not prohibitively so
>clean your guns
No. Manual-action is the superior vehicle for .22 and I will continue to shoot cheap ammo while never cleaning lol
But did you READ OWNERS MANUAL?
>You can mag dump 10 22 rounds into a very small area
Is that supposed to be impressive
I can also mag dump 30 5.56 rounds into a very small area
>A CLEAN Ruger mk4 is equally as reliable as a centerfire handgun especially with good 22 ammo
I dispute this. The intrinsic nature of .22's cartridge design leads to less mechanical reliability than a center fire cartridge of similiar power. I've seen .22s fail in ways that I didn't even know a gun could fail. A center fire pistol, at worst, will have a clearble jam. There are common failure modes on a .22 (eg rimlock) that make the gun functionally useless.
Yeah, though OP is wrong but probably not a liar. Like, he's wrong in terms of talking outside his own personal experience and you're right, 22lr intrinsically has a variety of failure modes that center fire just doesn't. That said if you look at hundreds of thousands of people you will definitely find some who have shot thousands of rounds of 22 without a single failure, such is the nature of probabilities, same with guns themselves, even guns known for having tons of QC issues will have some people that get golden guns where they're perfect. Doesn't mean others should roll the dice too but if you do get lucky and are happy doesn't mean you should change to something else either.
One example I've had within the last week was trying to auto-forward (insert the magazine hard enough to transfer force to the back) a TX22.
The bullet went nose up and deformed.
That's probably not gonna happen with a semi-auto in, say, 9mm, even if you shouldn't really rely on that quirk anyway.
Rimfire primers are not as reliable as center primers and will cause failure to fire. Using a rimfire for self defense is like taking a carbon fiber submersible down to look at the titanic.