considering recent news of russian mobilization and the recent talks with the chinese; it's become pretty clear that russia is slowly ramping up to total war. Likely they got some kind of deal for production from china and economical support. Russians seems to have weathered the sanctions pretty well so time is now on their side. Ukraine is at max capacity in terms of manpower and supplies from the west. Ukraine has to strike as early as possible before russia becomes even stronger. Russia needs to withstand the upcoming offensive, and if they do, they will start pushing when the odds are in there favor. bahmut is just a political battle for the ukrainians and a use of expiring resources (contracted 6 month prisoners in wagner) for russia. Honestly, I don't think that ukraine will succeed in their offensive. Russia probably knows where it's going to be and are very likely preparing for it. This will be the grand battle that decides the war. If ukriane doesn't cut off crimea, they will try to sue for peace, but I doubt russia will agree due to the sunken cost fallacy. It looks pretty grim for ukraine. Now I don't how good the political support for the war in russia is, so they could collapse but that is just guesswork. No doubt the west is trying it's best to support unrest in russia. Putin is pretty competent as a leader, but there are still a lot of uneasy oligarchs that he has to keep in line, those who have a lot of resources and connections in the west. At this point it's down to the russians not fricking up internally. The west is pretty much out of stuff to give that are within the agreements made between the two parties. I hope for peace and it kills me that so many people are dying. pray for peace /k/ommandos.
They were projected to contract by 10-20 percent and only contracted by 2%. They were preparing for sanctions for 8 years ever since the crimean annexation.
Why don't you buy some? Or invest in the Moscow stock exchange?
1 year ago
Anonymous
So it's still shit right? Like the ruble tanked in 2014 and staying the same right now is not the flex you think it is
1 year ago
Anonymous
Apart from the fact that I've been trying to buy some for lulz and I could not do so on any exchange, tried 10 of them so far, and the only ones that give you rubles they do so at premium rates so frick that
1 year ago
Anonymous
>"The Elbrus-8C server is veryweakcompared to Intel Xeon 'Cascade Lake'," said Anton Zhbankov, a representative for SberInfra, said at theElbrus Partner Day conference(viaServerNews.ru) earlier this month. "Insufficient memory [256MB],slow memory, few cores, low frequency.Functional requirementsnot been metat all." >this was said in January 2022
Don't worry, Russian computers will save us.
>believes the figures coming from Russia...
you have no idea how much they have contracted, only Russia knows this. the truth is they are hiding the real damage, and its only going to get worse.
The whole GDP thing is such a moronic mess. I follow RU eco news pretty thoroughly so I can give a bit of insight:
The main problem is GDP reporting, followed by increased restrictions on publicly available eco data.
The way GDP is reported in case of Russia basically turns into a "Dude trust me." situation. In fact, it's actually pretty similar for most countries. >B-b-but the IMF said
The IMF doesn't say shit. They get all their data from statistical agencies of the respective country. Theoretically, the responsible US statistical institution could walk up to the IMF and say "Hey uuuuh our GDP trippled ok."
Second, the fact that there is an admission of 2% contraction after a year of:
- Record military spending
- Record import substitution spending
- Record oil & gas revenue
- Record governmental spending
Should tell you just how bad things really are. Especially considering the RU economy was expected to grow anywhere from 1-5%. That's 3-7% of GDP growth wiped out during record spending and high dominant revenues. Even this, the publically available, official RU data are bad already.
Third, and this is speculation now: a likely case can be made for the RU real GDP having contracted much more. Consumer spending is down, PPP is down, key manufacturing is down, between 150-750k left the country, among them some of them highly productive and skilled workers. There's also the issue of the sovereign fund, which has been bolstered by liquidated / nationalised assets and used pretty extensively to bolster the economy.
Fourth, there is a growing spending-revenue gap, for which the sovereign fund was already used twice (iirc).
Yes, they prepared well for sanctions, yes Nabulina is miracle worker, yes governmental intervention saved them from a full on catastrophe. But it's certainly not looking good and the reporting on this has failed from day one, starting with "Russia will collapse in 2 weeks!" to todays "Russia stronger than ever!"
You do realize GDP grows in wars because the government spends a ton of money right?
The more the government spends the better the GDP... please don't look at the debts the government makes that they will likely be unable to pay back in the long run.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Yeah there's basically two things going on here. One is the obvious, functionally stealing from the future to pay for the war now. With enough effort you can artificially prop up an economy or even expand it in pretty much any circumstance, if you have the resources to burn and the capacity to either pay for the debt you're building or otherwise deal with the damage being done to structures later. For a less dramatic example, a lot of the planet is currently paying for what was done to keep economies turning during the worst of COVID global disruption around 2020/21. Russia has the capacity to do that just like anybody else, but what they don't have is the same resources to repair the damage after the fact. They weren't exactly in great shape beforehand and they'll be in much worse after.
The other, like the anon above said, is that the books are being hidden and the ones that can't be hidden are being cooked to shit. There's some economic markers showing a downturn but it's pretty tough to get an accurate picture at this stage.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Just look at the rubles trade volume. Then realsie that the Russians are already floating proposals of denominating their debts in foreign currencies. That's literally all you need to know how dire things already are for them.
They were projected to contract by 10-20 percent and only contracted by 2%. They were preparing for sanctions for 8 years ever since the crimean annexation.
In last year many of food prices increase on 50%~ Also alot of food options is gone (i can't get my beloved italian spaggeti (russian one is shit)). Saying that saction does not work is cope.
>recent talks with the chinese
What fricking talks?
China has basically already decided to do nothing for russia other then letting russian soldiers continue to buy commercial drones from them which Ukies are also allowed to do
>Russians seems to have weathered the sanctions pretty well
They're not. They've been faking figures as part of the "secret" part of the budget. The Russian elites are b***hing about the state of the economy more vocally now.
I think it's cringe how /k/ jumps down the throat of anyone who says anything even remotely anti-Ukrainian but you're clearly either a vatBlack person pretending to be a sensible objective centrist or just moronic. Why would you think that long-term it would be good for Russia when in the long-term their economy is fricked, they're only losing equipment with no capacity to replenish it (with no evidence of some kind of deal with China, no idea where you got that from) and with Russia's latest offensive running head first into a brick wall. In comparison Ukraine can do this for the next ten years, with training and equipment from the West making things better for Ukraine in the long-term.
Either Ukraine succeeds in pushing Russia out of Ukraine piece by piece, offensive by offensive - or casualties become unsustainable in the same way the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan became unsustainable and they withdraw. Short of Russia pushing for full mobilization, the war is unwinnable.
>Russians seems to have weathered the sanctions pretty well
Post trade volumes.
>Ukraine is at max capacity in terms of manpower
Ukraine is still putting volunteers on multiple-month waiting lists due to having too many people wnating to sign up.
>and supplies from the west
Western aid is continously increasing and this trend shows no sign of abating.
>the grand battle that decides the war
So such thing. Russias is economically ruined and weakening each day. Ukraine enjoys unlimited western funding and supplies and is strengthening each day. The notion of the decisive battle is nothing but a delusion held dear by those who know they are losing the long war.
Nah they will let them have Bakhmut... while Ukraine just casually takes all of Zaporizhzhia + Melitopol all the way to Mariupol and bombing the Kerch bridge to smithereens.
Only to get laughed at by glowie cheerleaders and bullied by glowie jocks? >Get in the closet, you dim-glow pipsqueak dork!! >Cue school shooting at a glowie school
my fav part is how these events are pushing the age of russian webbawds down and the looseness of their behaviour is skyrocketing, they all say they want to go europe or america
Bakhmut was legally taken which means that bakhmut is taken and now Russian. a numerically superior NATO trained force with defenders advantage and better equipment backed by foreign mercenaries literally lost to drunk convicts.
They do, they just pay for it themselves. Up to them if that's what they want to spend their money on. If they didn't want this system they wouldn't vote for it.
The grind is paying off, every day Russians advance and destroy hohols, see picrel which is the latest from RYBAR. /k/ doesn't like this, but oinkers are having there asses kicked by the orchestra in Artemovsk. Such is the fate of those who resist, they get to listen to one final tune brought by the musicians.
Russia captures 80%+ percentage of Bakhmut. More than your passing grades in glowie shill school
>Captured backwards
HELP me, Zisters
where are the proofs?
>left as a sign of goodwill
so russian just gonna capture a shitty city and call it a win?
Considering they would successfully capture it and ukraine fails to defend it
Yes
But we still can't capture it, Zister. I hear "We are going to capture it" over and over, every damn day
considering recent news of russian mobilization and the recent talks with the chinese; it's become pretty clear that russia is slowly ramping up to total war. Likely they got some kind of deal for production from china and economical support. Russians seems to have weathered the sanctions pretty well so time is now on their side. Ukraine is at max capacity in terms of manpower and supplies from the west. Ukraine has to strike as early as possible before russia becomes even stronger. Russia needs to withstand the upcoming offensive, and if they do, they will start pushing when the odds are in there favor. bahmut is just a political battle for the ukrainians and a use of expiring resources (contracted 6 month prisoners in wagner) for russia. Honestly, I don't think that ukraine will succeed in their offensive. Russia probably knows where it's going to be and are very likely preparing for it. This will be the grand battle that decides the war. If ukriane doesn't cut off crimea, they will try to sue for peace, but I doubt russia will agree due to the sunken cost fallacy. It looks pretty grim for ukraine. Now I don't how good the political support for the war in russia is, so they could collapse but that is just guesswork. No doubt the west is trying it's best to support unrest in russia. Putin is pretty competent as a leader, but there are still a lot of uneasy oligarchs that he has to keep in line, those who have a lot of resources and connections in the west. At this point it's down to the russians not fricking up internally. The west is pretty much out of stuff to give that are within the agreements made between the two parties. I hope for peace and it kills me that so many people are dying. pray for peace /k/ommandos.
>Russians seems to have weathered the sanctions pretty well so time is now on their side.
lol sure
They were projected to contract by 10-20 percent and only contracted by 2%. They were preparing for sanctions for 8 years ever since the crimean annexation.
dont check the ruble
it's literally the same as it was before the war.
Why don't you buy some? Or invest in the Moscow stock exchange?
So it's still shit right? Like the ruble tanked in 2014 and staying the same right now is not the flex you think it is
Apart from the fact that I've been trying to buy some for lulz and I could not do so on any exchange, tried 10 of them so far, and the only ones that give you rubles they do so at premium rates so frick that
>"The Elbrus-8C server is veryweakcompared to Intel Xeon 'Cascade Lake'," said Anton Zhbankov, a representative for SberInfra, said at theElbrus Partner Day conference(viaServerNews.ru) earlier this month. "Insufficient memory [256MB],slow memory, few cores, low frequency.Functional requirementsnot been metat all."
>this was said in January 2022
Don't worry, Russian computers will save us.
>believes the figures coming from Russia...
you have no idea how much they have contracted, only Russia knows this. the truth is they are hiding the real damage, and its only going to get worse.
The whole GDP thing is such a moronic mess. I follow RU eco news pretty thoroughly so I can give a bit of insight:
The main problem is GDP reporting, followed by increased restrictions on publicly available eco data.
The way GDP is reported in case of Russia basically turns into a "Dude trust me." situation. In fact, it's actually pretty similar for most countries.
>B-b-but the IMF said
The IMF doesn't say shit. They get all their data from statistical agencies of the respective country. Theoretically, the responsible US statistical institution could walk up to the IMF and say "Hey uuuuh our GDP trippled ok."
Second, the fact that there is an admission of 2% contraction after a year of:
- Record military spending
- Record import substitution spending
- Record oil & gas revenue
- Record governmental spending
Should tell you just how bad things really are. Especially considering the RU economy was expected to grow anywhere from 1-5%. That's 3-7% of GDP growth wiped out during record spending and high dominant revenues. Even this, the publically available, official RU data are bad already.
Third, and this is speculation now: a likely case can be made for the RU real GDP having contracted much more. Consumer spending is down, PPP is down, key manufacturing is down, between 150-750k left the country, among them some of them highly productive and skilled workers. There's also the issue of the sovereign fund, which has been bolstered by liquidated / nationalised assets and used pretty extensively to bolster the economy.
Fourth, there is a growing spending-revenue gap, for which the sovereign fund was already used twice (iirc).
Yes, they prepared well for sanctions, yes Nabulina is miracle worker, yes governmental intervention saved them from a full on catastrophe. But it's certainly not looking good and the reporting on this has failed from day one, starting with "Russia will collapse in 2 weeks!" to todays "Russia stronger than ever!"
You do realize GDP grows in wars because the government spends a ton of money right?
The more the government spends the better the GDP... please don't look at the debts the government makes that they will likely be unable to pay back in the long run.
Yeah there's basically two things going on here. One is the obvious, functionally stealing from the future to pay for the war now. With enough effort you can artificially prop up an economy or even expand it in pretty much any circumstance, if you have the resources to burn and the capacity to either pay for the debt you're building or otherwise deal with the damage being done to structures later. For a less dramatic example, a lot of the planet is currently paying for what was done to keep economies turning during the worst of COVID global disruption around 2020/21. Russia has the capacity to do that just like anybody else, but what they don't have is the same resources to repair the damage after the fact. They weren't exactly in great shape beforehand and they'll be in much worse after.
The other, like the anon above said, is that the books are being hidden and the ones that can't be hidden are being cooked to shit. There's some economic markers showing a downturn but it's pretty tough to get an accurate picture at this stage.
Just look at the rubles trade volume. Then realsie that the Russians are already floating proposals of denominating their debts in foreign currencies. That's literally all you need to know how dire things already are for them.
In last year many of food prices increase on 50%~ Also alot of food options is gone (i can't get my beloved italian spaggeti (russian one is shit)). Saying that saction does not work is cope.
woow that's so cool anon, radical if i say so myself
>recent talks with the chinese
What fricking talks?
China has basically already decided to do nothing for russia other then letting russian soldiers continue to buy commercial drones from them which Ukies are also allowed to do
source? oh that's right you made it up, thanks for your input
Black person please show me ANYTHING that china has done to help Russia other then sending 1k Hunting rifles and ripping off russian gas conpanies
there is over 100 j-20 operating in the area but they are so stealth nobody stopped any yet
a J-20 just flew over my house!
>Russians seems to have weathered the sanctions pretty well
They're not. They've been faking figures as part of the "secret" part of the budget. The Russian elites are b***hing about the state of the economy more vocally now.
I think it's cringe how /k/ jumps down the throat of anyone who says anything even remotely anti-Ukrainian but you're clearly either a vatBlack person pretending to be a sensible objective centrist or just moronic. Why would you think that long-term it would be good for Russia when in the long-term their economy is fricked, they're only losing equipment with no capacity to replenish it (with no evidence of some kind of deal with China, no idea where you got that from) and with Russia's latest offensive running head first into a brick wall. In comparison Ukraine can do this for the next ten years, with training and equipment from the West making things better for Ukraine in the long-term.
So what happens after ten years?
Either Ukraine succeeds in pushing Russia out of Ukraine piece by piece, offensive by offensive - or casualties become unsustainable in the same way the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan became unsustainable and they withdraw. Short of Russia pushing for full mobilization, the war is unwinnable.
Kherson status: Free and democratic
Soledar status: Zero strategic value
Bakhmut status: Russian graveyard
Wagner battalion status: Sledgehammered
Czar Simian status: Banan free
Chuds supporting putler: kecked and wrecked
President Zelensky status: Sexy, winning and super cool.
3 day operation status: One year
Tartarsky status: In pieces
NAFO status: Funny and silly fellas
Yeah I think things are going to be okay guys.
>Russians seems to have weathered the sanctions pretty well
Post trade volumes.
>Ukraine is at max capacity in terms of manpower
Ukraine is still putting volunteers on multiple-month waiting lists due to having too many people wnating to sign up.
>and supplies from the west
Western aid is continously increasing and this trend shows no sign of abating.
>the grand battle that decides the war
So such thing. Russias is economically ruined and weakening each day. Ukraine enjoys unlimited western funding and supplies and is strengthening each day. The notion of the decisive battle is nothing but a delusion held dear by those who know they are losing the long war.
0/10. Try concern-trolling harder, vatBlack person.
Russia runs out of male population. SImple as.
Ukraine's counteroffensive is underway. Russia will never conquer Bakhmut.
Nah they will let them have Bakhmut... while Ukraine just casually takes all of Zaporizhzhia + Melitopol all the way to Mariupol and bombing the Kerch bridge to smithereens.
after 9 months of figthing and advancing slower then a snail with ww1 tier causalty rates
>9 months of figthing and advancing slower then a snail
No one asked how you overcome fetal vodka btw
Well you should because you’re clearly suffering from it
The only way you could have made this “No, you” response any more pathetic would have been to upload a selfie with it
Remember when they were gonna capture 100% of Ukraine in a few days and now you’re arguing about how they captured 80% of some random city?
I wish I went to glowie school
Only to get laughed at by glowie cheerleaders and bullied by glowie jocks?
>Get in the closet, you dim-glow pipsqueak dork!!
>Cue school shooting at a glowie school
>captures 80%+ percentage
>80%+ percentage
>80percentage plus percentage
anon i think you should go to school, even if its just the glowie shill one
What I'm supposed to do right now, Zisters? Cry, cope, shill, seethe?
Just wait for the mega wave of 50k men walking in a straight line which will take backm00t once and for all
"Just wait"? Ok, I'll cope and shill then for now
>over a year and ukraine can't retake their country
Lmao
>cope brigade has arrived
But we can't capture the Bakhmut, Zister. It's over the year, and wr can't take it
legally speaking, since russia annexed parts of ukraine then that means ukraine has more captured russia land than russia does of ukraine
Are you still here, Zisters? I need some serious Tsar-grade copium
>Russia captures 80%+ percentage of Bakhmut
Whatever his grades in glowie school were, they couldnt have been as bad as your English class grades
>SPECIAL Minecraft Operation
I knew I'd saved this for a reason
my fav part is how these events are pushing the age of russian webbawds down and the looseness of their behaviour is skyrocketing, they all say they want to go europe or america
Details?
Bakhmut was legally taken which means that bakhmut is taken and now Russian. a numerically superior NATO trained force with defenders advantage and better equipment backed by foreign mercenaries literally lost to drunk convicts.
US ape general wastes an another billion while americans still have no health care
They do, they just pay for it themselves. Up to them if that's what they want to spend their money on. If they didn't want this system they wouldn't vote for it.
Russia is winning? Am I right, Zisters?
Right?
The grind is paying off, every day Russians advance and destroy hohols, see picrel which is the latest from RYBAR. /k/ doesn't like this, but oinkers are having there asses kicked by the orchestra in Artemovsk. Such is the fate of those who resist, they get to listen to one final tune brought by the musicians.
oh no, no, no, no
not the garages!
every day the image zooms in a bit more
>Artemovsk
ZISTERS?
ZISTERS, ARE YOU STILL HERE?