>know the weight of something before lifting it.
this is true shit
i don’t think i’ve ever been hurt from interacting with something that was knowingly too heavy for me
but i have been injured several times picking up something that i thought was light but was actually heavy
Good luck actually moving something like that. Ideally everything is packed away pretty much nuts deep so that it can't shift in transit. So light thing that you can pick up in back of heavy thing happens pretty much universally. And both you and the moving company don't want your time and effort wasting it on something that will slightly hurt for 8 seconds but also may cause a repetitive muscle-use slight but not enough to even go to the doctor because they'll tell you to just take a motrin injury.
Same shit as military infantry. Training can frick up your joints and muscles for life. Even just having a weird walking gait (which a lot of people do) get fricked by putting weight on it.
I'm not even sure what I'm saying anymore. Take care of your health fellas!
Do not try to stop something really heavy from falling, it will just crush you/injure you. instead: run away from it.
You will get sun burnt by the welder if you stand near it while the welder is using it. He is not the only one who needs to wear protective gear.
Close your eyes while blowing dust off something.
Heating a sealed container makes it into a bomb.
The machine will always win. Do not start a fight with the machine, it does not understand the concept of conflict or winning or losing, it is a soulless robot with no motivation or desire to do you harm but it can, and will, unless you respect it.
i would think this should only apply to public or commercial spaces like a hotel lobby or something
in the private home one might argue good reasons for the complete opposite.
>dead thread hijack
what are some must-have tools that have been very effective in taking care of work around the yard?
i just remembered to pick up one of these-pic related
saves hundreds on a wood cutting axe, and the effort
(inb4 it breaks)
also, those extended arm-trash collectors have been huge for my desire to keep the place clean
This particular "safe lifting" advice has always been silly. Go watch any strongman lift a stone or a sandbag and see how it's solidly #2, the "unsafe" way. It's much better in general to just learn how to brace properly for physical exertion so your spine is supported regardless of its specific angle.
everyone in strongman or that does deadlifts does it with a neutral spine, even in a deficit, moronic dyel
It isn’t tho. And heavy lifts are different to fast lifts.
Just grow some quads and delts dude, putting the strain into your spine because you’re scared of muscular discomfort is the dumbest shit ever.
Notice how it’s a slow lift?
Also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDGiuEv46xE
He tries jerking that stone in your vid, because it’s lightweight babby - and lifts companies pay people to do are all lightweight - and where does the force go?
Do your squats, or frick up your back after 10 years…Well, I forget why I care.
>Notice how it’s a slow lift?
that's a pretty speedy pick actually. Are you suggesting that if the stone weighed less and he moved it faster then it would be less safe? That's stupid. Would you care to guess what my squat max is since you seem so interested?
>if the stone weighed less and he moved it faster then it would be less safe?
Not precisely.
“Jerking” is the lazy path of building momentum with the upper body then the arms just transfer the momentum.
Can do it while squatting because it’s a compression force, “can” do it with a rounded back until that 1 time in 10,000 hours where you’re lazy in the wrong way and the fact that it’s a shearing force gets you.
It’s why it’s a trap that people argue about, you can do it, for thousands of hours with light weight - and based off that experience “why ppl whine??”
The other experience is watching so many coworkers do it, be fine, then frick up and once fricked up it never goes back the same way. 3, 4 times and the marginal harm leads to “oh no I fricked my back, I’m a sad sack retiree now”.
You have to build workplace safety around laziness, which is fine, laziness is great when properly channeled - but you are going to frick up at least once in 10,000 hours.
You can’t frick up while squatting, not in that way at least.
6 months ago
Anonymous
I think the "right" way is just so inefficient that it prevents anyone from lifting substantial weight in the first place therebt making it safer. If you can't clown up 100lb on your toes then you'll go get a dolly or whatever, even though you could probably pick it up fine the "wrong" way because it's objectively stronger.
6 months ago
Anonymous
what
your back is stronger than your legs?
in most humans legs are the strongest
inb4 akshyually mouth muscles or some other bullshit muscle that has nothing to do with the conversation
6 months ago
Anonymous
you are correct. hence why deadlift lifts the most weight of any of the big lifts (done correctly of course)
6 months ago
Anonymous
Maybe you're just too moronic to understand and apply the "right way" mechanics properly
The green guy's method applies if it's really heavy shit (for you at least). If it's lighter you may do it without bending your knees as much but you must bend at your HIPS - while keeping the spine straight - and not at your spine. You usually do it that way for common tasks.
this guy will be driving a wheelchair before 50 - after couple of back surgeries already. This is the price of being a competitive sportsman. At least look at the Olympic lifters.
>this guy will be driving a wheelchair before 50 - after couple of back surgeries already. This is the price of being a competitive sportsman. At least look at the Olympic lifters.
please tell me you're trolling
What? I mean that the Olympic lifters do it right - this guy doesn't.
6 months ago
Anonymous
olympic lifters only use a 1" bar that allows the center of mass of the load to be extremely close to the center of mass of the body. In strongman they lift things with a center of mass very far from the center of mass of the body. if you were to lift a stone the way OP recommends you would have to swing it out past your knees using your arms. That's impossible in any substantial weight range.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Did it occur to you that some weights (and shapes) are beyond the safe capabilities of your body? If you must twist your spine like this to lift it you are hurting yourself, that's it.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Where does this hubris come from? You think you know better body mechanics than world record holding strongmen? You think your back is healthier than Tom Stoltman's because you've never lifted a heavy rock? You're legitimately a moron.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Idiot - just fricking LOOK at his lower back when he returns after the lift. He is a fricking cripple ALREADY.
Fricking moron.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>LOOK at his lower back when he returns after the lift.
you've never seen muscle mass before, that checks out
6 months ago
Anonymous
You are so fricking stupid just stop dude.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Nice argument. Present a single example of bawddrop lifting to counter the world record stone lifter's form.
6 months ago
Anonymous
Black read the fricking op pic topic
what does it say?
how to lift the heaviest weight possible?
or how to lift a weight safely?
fricking mongrel, i swear
Where’s his lifting belt? It’s illegal to pick up, or even wheel or push objects without that.
Also no carpal protection, no gloves, no PPE, no high visibilty vest, no hard hat, no eye protection, no N95 mask for being close to the ground where there is microfine dust, no radon dosage meter for the radiation that concrete/stone ball is giving off, and no steeltoes. Illegal, llegal, illegal.
>suddenly using a tripcode he wasn't before >old archive posts
doesn't hold water.
6 months ago
Anonymous
just give it up, you lost.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>thinking this is a competation
you know i realised something recently; half of these strong men or bodybuilders are REALLY insecure, they cannot stand "losing" in imaginary competitions, or different opinions.
Fellas, if you want to avoid injury from lifting, lift like in op's pic. maybe there are other ways that work, but OP's is the safest and ensures you will not get hurt.
6 months ago
Anonymous
>competation
Nice spelling mistake, IDIOT! Guess I win again.
It isn’t tho. And heavy lifts are different to fast lifts.
Just grow some quads and delts dude, putting the strain into your spine because you’re scared of muscular discomfort is the dumbest shit ever.
How are you going to compare strongmen who spend years practicing a lift and warming up to their working weight on shit like stones to yanking a transmission bell off the floor like a moron, LMAO
and even with all that strongmen still get hurt doing it every professional has gotten hurt multiple times, many never recover 100%
also for many lifts they need speed (a lot of their competitions are timed) so obviously they might favor unhealthy but faster methods
No one has ever hurt their back on a stone pick. Bicep tears are extremely more common. And the video posted in this thread is of a world record single lift with no time limit and he did it the "wrong" way. Stop coping.
Top: have to lift object AND your entire weight; back never used and left weak and prone to injury
Bottom: only lifting object, can pivot weight at knee against body weight; back muscles strengthened
No, I hurt myself doing it that way. I have a better way. I cant really explain, but its faster, made me money, and never hurt myself. Like this but backwards.
I never had an issue. Did it all the time with normal concrete sacks,tile mud, or grout.
If you have a big belly, short limbs, or bad flexibility it may not be possible.
keeping your back 'straight' is a meme, you should try to keep your body, the object, and your feet in line so you are lifting as vertically as possible. the problem with #2 isn't that his back is bendy its that there is a huge force moment created by the distance between the box and his feet.
i do have a fricked up back from lifting, i was doing it 'properly' it was just too heavy. now every morning after i have slept laying down i must stretch and also have to make sure not to sit down for a few hours otherwise i simply am unable to stand without first rolling onto the floor and stretching out first.
i know haha health and safety is moronic and we are all invincible as kids. it wears off quick.
I think that what you are trying to say is that you shouldn't try to move the weight to your side by twisting your spine - you must do it like a robot by turning your whole body with your feet.
If your spine is under significant load AND you twist it to the side you will destroy it immediately. Do it once and you'll remember it forever.
Twisting movements are the worst. Permanently fricked my back trying to shut a frozen sliding gate. If you ever find yourself in a twisting motion, regardless of the weight or if you’re lifting or pulling or pushing, take a second and think if what you’re doing is worth a life of pain.
know the weight of something before lifting it.
i set myself up to lift a heavy crate once, only to find out that it was empty, hurting my biceps quite badly
>know the weight of something before lifting it.
this is true shit
i don’t think i’ve ever been hurt from interacting with something that was knowingly too heavy for me
but i have been injured several times picking up something that i thought was light but was actually heavy
i threw my shoulder out reaching for the remote on my night stand
Good luck actually moving something like that. Ideally everything is packed away pretty much nuts deep so that it can't shift in transit. So light thing that you can pick up in back of heavy thing happens pretty much universally. And both you and the moving company don't want your time and effort wasting it on something that will slightly hurt for 8 seconds but also may cause a repetitive muscle-use slight but not enough to even go to the doctor because they'll tell you to just take a motrin injury.
Same shit as military infantry. Training can frick up your joints and muscles for life. Even just having a weird walking gait (which a lot of people do) get fricked by putting weight on it.
I'm not even sure what I'm saying anymore. Take care of your health fellas!
Do not try to stop something really heavy from falling, it will just crush you/injure you. instead: run away from it.
You will get sun burnt by the welder if you stand near it while the welder is using it. He is not the only one who needs to wear protective gear.
Close your eyes while blowing dust off something.
Heating a sealed container makes it into a bomb.
The machine will always win. Do not start a fight with the machine, it does not understand the concept of conflict or winning or losing, it is a soulless robot with no motivation or desire to do you harm but it can, and will, unless you respect it.
i would think this should only apply to public or commercial spaces like a hotel lobby or something
in the private home one might argue good reasons for the complete opposite.
I only want to build L shaped rooms though.
>just move your doorways, bro
There are no stupid questions about safety.
It is better to be the dummy who asks and learns than the dummy who stays dumb.
Use your goddamn PPE
>dead thread hijack
what are some must-have tools that have been very effective in taking care of work around the yard?
i just remembered to pick up one of these-pic related
saves hundreds on a wood cutting axe, and the effort
(inb4 it breaks)
also, those extended arm-trash collectors have been huge for my desire to keep the place clean
This particular "safe lifting" advice has always been silly. Go watch any strongman lift a stone or a sandbag and see how it's solidly #2, the "unsafe" way. It's much better in general to just learn how to brace properly for physical exertion so your spine is supported regardless of its specific angle.
how about we brace, and lift the safe way, no? ok keep lifting like that, go on. see what happens.
I did and added 300lbs to my deadlift over 2 years
I'm telling you as someone who competes in strongman. The second way is literally how you lift heavy objects.
everyone in strongman or that does deadlifts does it with a neutral spine, even in a deficit, moronic dyel
I'm not talking about deadlift, I'm talking about stones and sandbags and stuff.
they don't do it 2000 times a day, in a rush
Notice how it’s a slow lift?
Also, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDGiuEv46xE
He tries jerking that stone in your vid, because it’s lightweight babby - and lifts companies pay people to do are all lightweight - and where does the force go?
Do your squats, or frick up your back after 10 years…Well, I forget why I care.
>Notice how it’s a slow lift?
that's a pretty speedy pick actually. Are you suggesting that if the stone weighed less and he moved it faster then it would be less safe? That's stupid. Would you care to guess what my squat max is since you seem so interested?
>if the stone weighed less and he moved it faster then it would be less safe?
Not precisely.
“Jerking” is the lazy path of building momentum with the upper body then the arms just transfer the momentum.
Can do it while squatting because it’s a compression force, “can” do it with a rounded back until that 1 time in 10,000 hours where you’re lazy in the wrong way and the fact that it’s a shearing force gets you.
It’s why it’s a trap that people argue about, you can do it, for thousands of hours with light weight - and based off that experience “why ppl whine??”
The other experience is watching so many coworkers do it, be fine, then frick up and once fricked up it never goes back the same way. 3, 4 times and the marginal harm leads to “oh no I fricked my back, I’m a sad sack retiree now”.
You have to build workplace safety around laziness, which is fine, laziness is great when properly channeled - but you are going to frick up at least once in 10,000 hours.
You can’t frick up while squatting, not in that way at least.
I think the "right" way is just so inefficient that it prevents anyone from lifting substantial weight in the first place therebt making it safer. If you can't clown up 100lb on your toes then you'll go get a dolly or whatever, even though you could probably pick it up fine the "wrong" way because it's objectively stronger.
what
your back is stronger than your legs?
in most humans legs are the strongest
inb4 akshyually mouth muscles or some other bullshit muscle that has nothing to do with the conversation
you are correct. hence why deadlift lifts the most weight of any of the big lifts (done correctly of course)
Maybe you're just too moronic to understand and apply the "right way" mechanics properly
The green guy's method applies if it's really heavy shit (for you at least). If it's lighter you may do it without bending your knees as much but you must bend at your HIPS - while keeping the spine straight - and not at your spine. You usually do it that way for common tasks.
this guy will be driving a wheelchair before 50 - after couple of back surgeries already. This is the price of being a competitive sportsman. At least look at the Olympic lifters.
>this guy will be driving a wheelchair before 50 - after couple of back surgeries already. This is the price of being a competitive sportsman. At least look at the Olympic lifters.
please tell me you're trolling
What? I mean that the Olympic lifters do it right - this guy doesn't.
olympic lifters only use a 1" bar that allows the center of mass of the load to be extremely close to the center of mass of the body. In strongman they lift things with a center of mass very far from the center of mass of the body. if you were to lift a stone the way OP recommends you would have to swing it out past your knees using your arms. That's impossible in any substantial weight range.
Did it occur to you that some weights (and shapes) are beyond the safe capabilities of your body? If you must twist your spine like this to lift it you are hurting yourself, that's it.
Where does this hubris come from? You think you know better body mechanics than world record holding strongmen? You think your back is healthier than Tom Stoltman's because you've never lifted a heavy rock? You're legitimately a moron.
Idiot - just fricking LOOK at his lower back when he returns after the lift. He is a fricking cripple ALREADY.
Fricking moron.
>LOOK at his lower back when he returns after the lift.
you've never seen muscle mass before, that checks out
You are so fricking stupid just stop dude.
Nice argument. Present a single example of bawddrop lifting to counter the world record stone lifter's form.
Black read the fricking op pic topic
what does it say?
how to lift the heaviest weight possible?
or how to lift a weight safely?
fricking mongrel, i swear
and the second way is safer you stupid bastard
Where’s his lifting belt? It’s illegal to pick up, or even wheel or push objects without that.
Also no carpal protection, no gloves, no PPE, no high visibilty vest, no hard hat, no eye protection, no N95 mask for being close to the ground where there is microfine dust, no radon dosage meter for the radiation that concrete/stone ball is giving off, and no steeltoes. Illegal, llegal, illegal.
t. Uk
mate you're moronic, look at how he does it, he lifts from the knees and levers it to his waist, then squats and lifts from the knees again.
>as someone who competes in strongman
no fricking way anyone who competes in that is posting here, prove it or gtfo.
>no fricking way anyone who competes in that is posting here, prove it or gtfo.
https://desuarchive.org/fit/thread/72062131/#72062439
>suddenly using a tripcode he wasn't before
>old archive posts
doesn't hold water.
just give it up, you lost.
>thinking this is a competation
you know i realised something recently; half of these strong men or bodybuilders are REALLY insecure, they cannot stand "losing" in imaginary competitions, or different opinions.
Fellas, if you want to avoid injury from lifting, lift like in op's pic. maybe there are other ways that work, but OP's is the safest and ensures you will not get hurt.
>competation
Nice spelling mistake, IDIOT! Guess I win again.
It isn’t tho. And heavy lifts are different to fast lifts.
Just grow some quads and delts dude, putting the strain into your spine because you’re scared of muscular discomfort is the dumbest shit ever.
How are you going to compare strongmen who spend years practicing a lift and warming up to their working weight on shit like stones to yanking a transmission bell off the floor like a moron, LMAO
and even with all that strongmen still get hurt doing it every professional has gotten hurt multiple times, many never recover 100%
also for many lifts they need speed (a lot of their competitions are timed) so obviously they might favor unhealthy but faster methods
No one has ever hurt their back on a stone pick. Bicep tears are extremely more common. And the video posted in this thread is of a world record single lift with no time limit and he did it the "wrong" way. Stop coping.
It’s against the law to lift anything over 65lbs alone.
What country? Sure not here in the US. The factory I work in is 75lb single loft and that's just company policy it used to be higher.
this is advice for weak office working b***hes who need to stretch to pick up a box of printer paper
essential tip: sleep is more important than arguing with idiots on this hellsite who will destroy their own backs anyway.
Top: have to lift object AND your entire weight; back never used and left weak and prone to injury
Bottom: only lifting object, can pivot weight at knee against body weight; back muscles strengthened
Bottom pic is literally just an RDL
Why is the guy on his toes to initiate the pull?
Dynamic start, chud.
l2lift noob
here you go OP I fixed it
At last I understand
No, I hurt myself doing it that way. I have a better way. I cant really explain, but its faster, made me money, and never hurt myself. Like this but backwards.
Your right! You cant really explain!
Notice how the “proper” way doesn’t show him lifting it from the ground, because it’s ridiculous going that low in that position.
I never had an issue. Did it all the time with normal concrete sacks,tile mud, or grout.
If you have a big belly, short limbs, or bad flexibility it may not be possible.
keeping your back 'straight' is a meme, you should try to keep your body, the object, and your feet in line so you are lifting as vertically as possible. the problem with #2 isn't that his back is bendy its that there is a huge force moment created by the distance between the box and his feet.
i do have a fricked up back from lifting, i was doing it 'properly' it was just too heavy. now every morning after i have slept laying down i must stretch and also have to make sure not to sit down for a few hours otherwise i simply am unable to stand without first rolling onto the floor and stretching out first.
i know haha health and safety is moronic and we are all invincible as kids. it wears off quick.
I think that what you are trying to say is that you shouldn't try to move the weight to your side by twisting your spine - you must do it like a robot by turning your whole body with your feet.
If your spine is under significant load AND you twist it to the side you will destroy it immediately. Do it once and you'll remember it forever.
Twisting movements are the worst. Permanently fricked my back trying to shut a frozen sliding gate. If you ever find yourself in a twisting motion, regardless of the weight or if you’re lifting or pulling or pushing, take a second and think if what you’re doing is worth a life of pain.
Fine threaded drywall screws for 90% of fastening.
Invest in your feet. Wear your PPE. Keep your bench clean. Eat well. Know your limits. Buy cheap tools until you understand why they're cheap
>Fine threaded drywall screws for 90% of fastening.
not saying it's a bad idea (i do that too) but why?
you need less glue than you think
you need less spray paint than you think and you should do a test spray first.