tungsten shot is something like 100$/kg. Each shell has already 5.6 dollars worth of tungsten. Now account other materials, manufacturing, marketing, profit, and retailers cut.
With 2 oz of small tungsten shot you get such performance that you can pay 16$ a pop. I have never hunted turkey but I imagine that you only shoot once.
No anon you just don't understand, no hunter ever got a turkey with a shotgun when they used lead. And steel, pfft, they bounce off squirrels, we all know that. Even after 3" magnum shells came out. You just don't understand, anon.
No I don't get it either. I mean if it increases your odds and you don't have many turkeys, great, but god damn I would never spend that much. Ignoring the gun price, the price of your turkey tags and your ammo is easily $100-275. And IMO that's a "what the frick". It better taste good and I better get a nice (taxidermy) mount out of it for that. I think it just carries its energy further, that's really it. I guess if you can't use lead (eg. Kommiefornia) it's your only choice but 3" mags for turkey are already expensive enough and you can still use steel 3" mags for less and get more practice so...I have no clue. Yes tungsten is expensive, but the better question is why tungsten at all? I'm not a bird hunter, so maybe someone can enlighten me here.
>but the better question is why tungsten at all?
You already answered your own question. Some states ban lead shot, so you need an alternative. Steel is the cheap one but it's honestly shitty, it's lower density than lead so it reduces your range. Tungsten based shot is denser than lead so it has a longer effective range. Is that worth the price? Not in my opinion. Where I live lead shot is only banned for hunting migratory birds so that doesn't apply to turkeys, I use lead. But like another anon said above, it's not like turkey hunting is a high volume activity. If someone was planning a big expensive hunting trip I could see them not wanting to spoil their whole adventure over a $75 box of ammo.
Now the thing tha IS confusing to me is the tungsten Coyote buckshot. Coyote shooting often IS a high volume activity, and honestly rifles are a lot more effective anyway. So why shell out the extreme cost for those? Is there some legal angle I'm unaware of where some states are banning rifles from coyote hunting?
Some states or areas within states (much of southern Michigan for example) ban use of centerfire or non straight wall centerfire for hunting. It's a stupid law, but it's there. Tungsten buckshot would certainly extend your range past lead, even.
The thing I ran out of time for was asking about copper shot. Isn't copper (still expensive but) cheaper? And still somewhat heavy? I know there's solid copper bullets; do they not make anything other than copper plated shot? I'm not big on hunting with a shotgun so excuse my ignorance here. But damn is some of this stuff expensive.
Tungsten is expensive. Manufacturing round tungsten shots is expensive, manufacturing rounds with Tungsten is expensive. Also manufacturing tungsten is toxic. These are extremely specific use shots for people using them once or twice a year and only shooting 5-10 rounds max depending on bag limits.
Tungsten vastly increases range. Tungsten BB is equivalent in range to old lead T or F, but with much more shot and thus a better pattern.
I use hevishot as my last shell when goose hunting and have scored some kills at 100+yds. Shots I wouldn't even consider with steel and very low probability shots back when we could sling big lead.
Tungsten is a lot safer as well, so if you were to inadvertently swallow a tungsten pellet, it's not going to be as bad as lead. Not great, but not as terrible.
Probably a waste on turkeys though. Unless you're somewhere the birds are super educated and you must be able to take a 100yd shot. I kill turkeys every year with a shotgun and a bow and most of the time it's at 30yds or closer.
Advances in bullet design and materials are pretty nutty. A 62gr Barnes vortx out of my 14.5" produced a better wound through the lung/heart than 170gr soft point 30-30 (I think it was Winchester superX?) for me this last season. And the Barnes contains no lead whatsoever.
Do you need super fancy ammo to hunt? No. I killed 3 deer with said 30-30. That said, considering how long a box of hunting rounds lasts, I don't sweat it when it's ~$5 a round or whatever. I wouldn't buy those turkey loads, though.
>tungsten >for turkey
Dude, it's not for turkey. It's for "turkey" just like heavily fragmenting rifle ammo is for "predators". Tungsten #8 shot penetrates 16" of gel at 10 yards. It's for absolutely deleting a person's chest cavity even behind 3A armor.
tungsten shot is something like 100$/kg. Each shell has already 5.6 dollars worth of tungsten. Now account other materials, manufacturing, marketing, profit, and retailers cut.
With 2 oz of small tungsten shot you get such performance that you can pay 16$ a pop. I have never hunted turkey but I imagine that you only shoot once.
imagine paying that much and missing
I've heard anecdotes of my countrymen dropping black grouse from tree 70 meters away with tungsten #6 birdshot.
>not using a .22wrm
Sucks to live in your state.
>Hevi
Why does shit marketed to boomers misspell words on purpose
>age bias is just you discriminating against yourself in the future
Putz. Go rub up on your furry suit Zander the metrosexual.
You obviously don’t hunt and are only here because of CoD. Please leave.
I will be watching your trolling carrer with great interest.
No anon you just don't understand, no hunter ever got a turkey with a shotgun when they used lead. And steel, pfft, they bounce off squirrels, we all know that. Even after 3" magnum shells came out. You just don't understand, anon.
No I don't get it either. I mean if it increases your odds and you don't have many turkeys, great, but god damn I would never spend that much. Ignoring the gun price, the price of your turkey tags and your ammo is easily $100-275. And IMO that's a "what the frick". It better taste good and I better get a nice (taxidermy) mount out of it for that. I think it just carries its energy further, that's really it. I guess if you can't use lead (eg. Kommiefornia) it's your only choice but 3" mags for turkey are already expensive enough and you can still use steel 3" mags for less and get more practice so...I have no clue. Yes tungsten is expensive, but the better question is why tungsten at all? I'm not a bird hunter, so maybe someone can enlighten me here.
>but the better question is why tungsten at all?
You already answered your own question. Some states ban lead shot, so you need an alternative. Steel is the cheap one but it's honestly shitty, it's lower density than lead so it reduces your range. Tungsten based shot is denser than lead so it has a longer effective range. Is that worth the price? Not in my opinion. Where I live lead shot is only banned for hunting migratory birds so that doesn't apply to turkeys, I use lead. But like another anon said above, it's not like turkey hunting is a high volume activity. If someone was planning a big expensive hunting trip I could see them not wanting to spoil their whole adventure over a $75 box of ammo.
Now the thing tha IS confusing to me is the tungsten Coyote buckshot. Coyote shooting often IS a high volume activity, and honestly rifles are a lot more effective anyway. So why shell out the extreme cost for those? Is there some legal angle I'm unaware of where some states are banning rifles from coyote hunting?
Some states or areas within states (much of southern Michigan for example) ban use of centerfire or non straight wall centerfire for hunting. It's a stupid law, but it's there. Tungsten buckshot would certainly extend your range past lead, even.
The thing I ran out of time for was asking about copper shot. Isn't copper (still expensive but) cheaper? And still somewhat heavy? I know there's solid copper bullets; do they not make anything other than copper plated shot? I'm not big on hunting with a shotgun so excuse my ignorance here. But damn is some of this stuff expensive.
>$16 a shell
just buy a turkey from the supermarket LMAO
Tungsten is expensive. Manufacturing round tungsten shots is expensive, manufacturing rounds with Tungsten is expensive. Also manufacturing tungsten is toxic. These are extremely specific use shots for people using them once or twice a year and only shooting 5-10 rounds max depending on bag limits.
Tungsten vastly increases range. Tungsten BB is equivalent in range to old lead T or F, but with much more shot and thus a better pattern.
I use hevishot as my last shell when goose hunting and have scored some kills at 100+yds. Shots I wouldn't even consider with steel and very low probability shots back when we could sling big lead.
Tungsten is a lot safer as well, so if you were to inadvertently swallow a tungsten pellet, it's not going to be as bad as lead. Not great, but not as terrible.
Probably a waste on turkeys though. Unless you're somewhere the birds are super educated and you must be able to take a 100yd shot. I kill turkeys every year with a shotgun and a bow and most of the time it's at 30yds or closer.
Advances in bullet design and materials are pretty nutty. A 62gr Barnes vortx out of my 14.5" produced a better wound through the lung/heart than 170gr soft point 30-30 (I think it was Winchester superX?) for me this last season. And the Barnes contains no lead whatsoever.
Do you need super fancy ammo to hunt? No. I killed 3 deer with said 30-30. That said, considering how long a box of hunting rounds lasts, I don't sweat it when it's ~$5 a round or whatever. I wouldn't buy those turkey loads, though.
>tungsten
>for turkey
Dude, it's not for turkey. It's for "turkey" just like heavily fragmenting rifle ammo is for "predators". Tungsten #8 shot penetrates 16" of gel at 10 yards. It's for absolutely deleting a person's chest cavity even behind 3A armor.
Is it just me or is Turkey hunting notably more autistic on average compared to other types like deer or small game?
>Why?
The same reason why those expensive rifle ammo with the holographic stickers exist, shelf warmers.