>doesn't understand equity
Black person the owner of PSA drives a frickint McClaren, I'm sure he can spare some of HIS private equity. homosexual. Have you ever even been to a PSA actual store?
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>sure he can spare some of HIS private equity
It'd be unwise, due to the potential tax and legal ramifications, for the owner of PSA to comingle his personal finances with the company
>Really beating out the competition here.
Then start your own ammo line. > be me > early 2000s > Small Arms Review held a gun show in Phoenix > fricking amazing > PMC had an ammo facility outside of Phoenix > I was industry at the time > tours of the ammo plant > they had machines drawing out cases from brass "buttons" > 5, 6, 7 steps to turn a dot of brass into a formed case > giant fricking machines > most of which made ammo for World War I > "hey, nobody makes these anymore and they still work"
But my take away from that tour wasn't the concept of 80-year old machines still cranking out ammo, it was the lady supervising the line AND hand loading 45-70 on a Dillon 550 that PMC would sell as their super ultra premium stuff. > nope.jpg
those stamp machines are fricking wild. there's literally no one who would invest the start up to build new ones. there are companies that bought the old lend lease ones from Russia and SHIPPED THEM BACK to the USA, because it was cheaper to demolish the factory around it to get it out of the concrete and do that, than it was to make a new one.
fricking wild.
>existing machines are more or less enough for the current market (bu bu bu the price goes up sometim- clearly not enough for the market to need to adjust huh homie) >existing machines were paid off decades ago
if you want cheap ammo, you better pray for a shooting war with china that requires massive government spending on new ammo manufacturing so that there's a big surplus of production capacity after the war
>the only way to get cheap ammo is by a massive war
ooooorrrr just get rid of the sanctions on our previous cheap ammo suppliers after their escapade in Ukraine is over.
>those stamp machines are fricking wild
Agreed.
Along that same line: > Same time I visited PMC for the tour, > I swung by International Handgun Leather for some belts. > I had picked up one of their belts as swag at SHOT 2000 or 2001 > double thick horse hide > awesome gun belt > totally change how carrying felt, 100% for the better > swing by IHL > "uh, this is our manufacturing, we don't sell direct" > pull out card, introduce myself, drop name of sales guy I'd traded with at SHOT > "if I pay cash, could you make an industry exception" > he hesitates > "look, all I have are $20s so I'll round up so you don't have to dick with change" > yup.jpg > guy toured me around their facility > most of their sewing machines dated back to Word War II, > a couple were older than World War I > "they just don't make cast iron like that any more, I mean nobody does, all the shit today is too expensive, too fragile, and requires a ton of maintenance, these things are tanks and run as long as you have leather and thread"
[sad news] My last IHL belt is starting to wear out.
why are they so expensive? Are you saying new stamp machines aren't being made at all?
>existing machines are more or less enough for the current market (bu bu bu the price goes up sometim- clearly not enough for the market to need to adjust huh homie) >existing machines were paid off decades ago
if you want cheap ammo, you better pray for a shooting war with china that requires massive government spending on new ammo manufacturing so that there's a big surplus of production capacity after the war
No one makes the giant machines anymore because a bunch of smaller machines are more efficient and more flexible for producing different cartridges. I visited a local automation company that makes ammunition manufacturing equipment and with half a dozen little cabinets like this you could turn the brass slugs punched from a sheet into a finished case, annealing after every drawing step. There are more brass manufacturers than ever these days, and a lot of them are putting out better cases than the traditional brands
0.45 cpr would be fair for actual high quality, accurate ammo.
It's PSA so there will be some initial hiccups, therefore I expect them to operate at a loss to get the hype built initially maybe around 0.30-0.35 cpr then they can sell at the standard Russian/eastern bloc prices once demand increases.
>At standard market value .45cpr
Are you a liar or just moronic? Standard market value for 7.62×39 is $1/rnd or more for US or S&B manufactured brass cased. Steel case's current cost is non-existent, because it's all dried up. PSA has the cheapest 7.62×39 on the US market.
>doesn't understand startup costs
>doesn't understand supply& demand
>doesn't understand overhead
>it's the consumer's responsibility to make sure the investor receives a positive return
>it's the producer's duty to operate at a loss
That is straight up commie talk.
i get the feeling you two idiots are not talking about the same thing
>SUBSIDIZE OUR INVESTMENT SO WE CAN MAKE OUR INVESTMENT BACK IN ONE QUARTER OR YOU'RE A COMMIE!
>literally doesn't understand Amazon and Tesla operated at a loss for a decade
Man you really are dumb as frick dude...
>doesn't understand equity
>companies should just break even and nothing more
>doesn't understand equity
Black person the owner of PSA drives a frickint McClaren, I'm sure he can spare some of HIS private equity. homosexual. Have you ever even been to a PSA actual store?
>sure he can spare some of HIS private equity
It'd be unwise, due to the potential tax and legal ramifications, for the owner of PSA to comingle his personal finances with the company
small indy developer, please understand
meme cartridge
>Really beating out the competition here.
Then start your own ammo line.
> be me
> early 2000s
> Small Arms Review held a gun show in Phoenix
> fricking amazing
> PMC had an ammo facility outside of Phoenix
> I was industry at the time
> tours of the ammo plant
> they had machines drawing out cases from brass "buttons"
> 5, 6, 7 steps to turn a dot of brass into a formed case
> giant fricking machines
> most of which made ammo for World War I
> "hey, nobody makes these anymore and they still work"
But my take away from that tour wasn't the concept of 80-year old machines still cranking out ammo, it was the lady supervising the line AND hand loading 45-70 on a Dillon 550 that PMC would sell as their super ultra premium stuff.
> nope.jpg
those stamp machines are fricking wild. there's literally no one who would invest the start up to build new ones. there are companies that bought the old lend lease ones from Russia and SHIPPED THEM BACK to the USA, because it was cheaper to demolish the factory around it to get it out of the concrete and do that, than it was to make a new one.
fricking wild.
why are they so expensive? Are you saying new stamp machines aren't being made at all?
>existing machines are more or less enough for the current market (bu bu bu the price goes up sometim- clearly not enough for the market to need to adjust huh homie)
>existing machines were paid off decades ago
if you want cheap ammo, you better pray for a shooting war with china that requires massive government spending on new ammo manufacturing so that there's a big surplus of production capacity after the war
>shooting war with china
If we get cheap ammo too, that would be a pleasant side effect.
>the only way to get cheap ammo is by a massive war
ooooorrrr just get rid of the sanctions on our previous cheap ammo suppliers after their escapade in Ukraine is over.
>those stamp machines are fricking wild
Agreed.
Along that same line:
> Same time I visited PMC for the tour,
> I swung by International Handgun Leather for some belts.
> I had picked up one of their belts as swag at SHOT 2000 or 2001
> double thick horse hide
> awesome gun belt
> totally change how carrying felt, 100% for the better
> swing by IHL
> "uh, this is our manufacturing, we don't sell direct"
> pull out card, introduce myself, drop name of sales guy I'd traded with at SHOT
> "if I pay cash, could you make an industry exception"
> he hesitates
> "look, all I have are $20s so I'll round up so you don't have to dick with change"
> yup.jpg
> guy toured me around their facility
> most of their sewing machines dated back to Word War II,
> a couple were older than World War I
> "they just don't make cast iron like that any more, I mean nobody does, all the shit today is too expensive, too fragile, and requires a ton of maintenance, these things are tanks and run as long as you have leather and thread"
[sad news] My last IHL belt is starting to wear out.
No one makes the giant machines anymore because a bunch of smaller machines are more efficient and more flexible for producing different cartridges. I visited a local automation company that makes ammunition manufacturing equipment and with half a dozen little cabinets like this you could turn the brass slugs punched from a sheet into a finished case, annealing after every drawing step. There are more brass manufacturers than ever these days, and a lot of them are putting out better cases than the traditional brands
It was about 20 CPR not that long ago
That was four years ago old man, get with the fricking times
I'm not even 30 yet, and yeah, four years is not that long ago
0.45 cpr would be fair for actual high quality, accurate ammo.
It's PSA so there will be some initial hiccups, therefore I expect them to operate at a loss to get the hype built initially maybe around 0.30-0.35 cpr then they can sell at the standard Russian/eastern bloc prices once demand increases.
OP we all knew this was going to unfold this way. The real nice thing is now we have another domestic manufacturer. That's pretty much it.
I will pray for your thread.
make subsonics pls
200gr
180gr
maybe some 300gr slugs too
rough estimate, how much would it cost to build a multi-caliber ammo factory?
>At standard market value .45cpr
Are you a liar or just moronic? Standard market value for 7.62×39 is $1/rnd or more for US or S&B manufactured brass cased. Steel case's current cost is non-existent, because it's all dried up. PSA has the cheapest 7.62×39 on the US market.
homie what
forgot image
>Liberal Tears
lmfao