No, the fact most nations are going forward with their own 6th gen programs should tell you that the US is signaling behind closed doors, NGAD aint for sale.
Unlike the F-35 program where we were seeking program partners and customers a decade+ before the plane even saw flight.
Australia and the UK will probably be offered them though. At least if the ties between those countries are as strong as they are now. If Australia goes full Chinese puppet state it's not getting shit.
The UK already has their own program, if it fails they'll have put enough money in to put their government off buying anything but the F-35 for a decade by which point their domestic producers will have failed.
The UK sees their 6th gen program as the final chance to keep their domestic fighter industry alive
It's a make-or-break moment for the industry in that country. They're (seemingly) going all in on it, and aren't counting on the US.
Either because the US already told them they wont share, or because the UK thinks it's worthwhile keeping their domestic industry alive for at least another 20-30 years.
As for Australia they will almost certainly purchase the GCAP fighter the UK/Italy/Japan make, and will probably be japanese customers because of its proximity to japan.
You think everyone else would be clamoring to build their own if the US was willing to export? Use your head OP
>As for Australia they will almost certainly purchase the GCAP fighter the UK/Italy/Japan make, and will probably be japanese customers because of its proximity to japan.
I wonder if any others in the Pacific will. South Korea would be the obvious customer but I'm not sure how that would play it out with their politics.
>As for Australia they will almost certainly purchase the GCAP fighter the UK/Italy/Japan make, and will probably be japanese customers because of its proximity to japan
Delusional. Australia doesnt care about muh proximity. Australia will buy cutting edge American jets has it has done for decades
Australia will be listed as a domestic source, which is already happening and by the time NGAD is ready, Australia will be given greater access, perhaps more than any other country on earth even more than the UK
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While this is probably true its purely because aus is effectively a us military base with almost no autonomy, the uk actually has some modicum of independence though largely 99% aligned geopolitically, but not economically
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> aus not even a real sovereign country
The US has full control over the aus military no different than if aus was puerto rico, and yes aus will get ngad…about 30+ years after the us, look at the subs, they will get 1990s nuclears by the 2050s or so, that said the us will have squadrons on their military bases throughout aus which again they control
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Best case scenario is Australia hosts US airbases which operate NGAD. It won't, however, be exported.
Aussies are more aligned with the us than uk, will never buy anything from japan as has been proven in the past in certain weapons systems japan tried to sell, redback was the big news aa aussies traditionally did not buy from asia irregardless if better or not, but the skorea procurement was just as much us as sk
Years and years ago, there were some cool experiments showing how properly positioned lights, just plain ordinary lights, could make a plane seem invisible in the sky from distance. Since the sky is always backlit during the day and the aircraft are at great distances from observers, just having some surprisingly minimal light emission could hide them well vs being opaque. Could be quite rough and still worked.
>AI-driven loyal wingman platforms
Are they unironically implanting AI fear like it's that shitty Jamie Fox Stealth movie. The frick did I need to know its loyal AI for?
No and this is a good thing. Most of the world has been able to coast to 5th gen by purchasing F-35s, this is good for the capability in the short term but in the long term will frick their industrial know how, which is actually pretty easy to lose if you let it. Granted there's tons of F-35 partners manufacturing parts and getting knowledge of stealth operations but designing, testing and producing something like an F-35 from scratch is a whole different thing. Any country that wants to keep building their own planes without reliance on the US is gonna have to figure out how to make 6th gens.
>While this is probably true its purely because aus is effectively a us military base with almost no autonomy, the uk actually has some modicum of independence though largely 99% aligned geopolitically, but not economically
>hey can you send a warship to the middle east? these houthis are attacking commercial shipping >nah mate >...can you send like, an e-7 or something? >sure mate
TOTAL CONTROL OVER THE AUSTRALIAN MILITARY
WHEN WILL THE TYRANNY END
why wouldn't it? If one thing has been vindicated from the F-35 program, it's that having more partners does wonders. The F-35 will be around for decades because it's so cost effective, because so many countries chipped in
We're quickly approaching the point where the only difference between a fighter and a bomber is if you make room for a radar or not. NGAD is already operating in a paradigm where it's never going to get close to an enemy contact and instead is mostly going to be using distributed sensors and weapons on loyal wingman platforms, and stealth means that you have to carry all your weapons internally lest they frick over your RCS.
[nospoilerson/k/]It's amazing how many buzzword fit together when talking about this sort of thing[/spoiler]
Probably not. You couldn't afford them, anyway. They'll talk to the F-35s we sold you, though, so you'll get to benefit anyway.
No, the fact most nations are going forward with their own 6th gen programs should tell you that the US is signaling behind closed doors, NGAD aint for sale.
Unlike the F-35 program where we were seeking program partners and customers a decade+ before the plane even saw flight.
Australia and the UK will probably be offered them though. At least if the ties between those countries are as strong as they are now. If Australia goes full Chinese puppet state it's not getting shit.
The UK already has their own program, if it fails they'll have put enough money in to put their government off buying anything but the F-35 for a decade by which point their domestic producers will have failed.
I said offered. "Hey do you want to buy some NGAD" is different from involvement in a program or a requirement to give up your own domestic one.
The thing is the UK won't take any offer and we aren't likely to waste our effort if their program works out.
I think Bell put out a video on their VTOL plans a week or so ago that had some stealth 'visual' in it
The UK sees their 6th gen program as the final chance to keep their domestic fighter industry alive
It's a make-or-break moment for the industry in that country. They're (seemingly) going all in on it, and aren't counting on the US.
Either because the US already told them they wont share, or because the UK thinks it's worthwhile keeping their domestic industry alive for at least another 20-30 years.
As for Australia they will almost certainly purchase the GCAP fighter the UK/Italy/Japan make, and will probably be japanese customers because of its proximity to japan.
You think everyone else would be clamoring to build their own if the US was willing to export? Use your head OP
>As for Australia they will almost certainly purchase the GCAP fighter the UK/Italy/Japan make, and will probably be japanese customers because of its proximity to japan.
I wonder if any others in the Pacific will. South Korea would be the obvious customer but I'm not sure how that would play it out with their politics.
>As for Australia they will almost certainly purchase the GCAP fighter the UK/Italy/Japan make, and will probably be japanese customers because of its proximity to japan
Delusional. Australia doesnt care about muh proximity. Australia will buy cutting edge American jets has it has done for decades
>Australia will buy cutting edge American jets
*would
They won't be up for export.
Australia will be listed as a domestic source, which is already happening and by the time NGAD is ready, Australia will be given greater access, perhaps more than any other country on earth even more than the UK
While this is probably true its purely because aus is effectively a us military base with almost no autonomy, the uk actually has some modicum of independence though largely 99% aligned geopolitically, but not economically
> aus not even a real sovereign country
The US has full control over the aus military no different than if aus was puerto rico, and yes aus will get ngad…about 30+ years after the us, look at the subs, they will get 1990s nuclears by the 2050s or so, that said the us will have squadrons on their military bases throughout aus which again they control
Best case scenario is Australia hosts US airbases which operate NGAD. It won't, however, be exported.
Aussies are more aligned with the us than uk, will never buy anything from japan as has been proven in the past in certain weapons systems japan tried to sell, redback was the big news aa aussies traditionally did not buy from asia irregardless if better or not, but the skorea procurement was just as much us as sk
t, knower
>stealth (visual)
How? They'll paint cute looking cloud camo on it or something?
Years and years ago, there were some cool experiments showing how properly positioned lights, just plain ordinary lights, could make a plane seem invisible in the sky from distance. Since the sky is always backlit during the day and the aircraft are at great distances from observers, just having some surprisingly minimal light emission could hide them well vs being opaque. Could be quite rough and still worked.
Then all mention of it vanished.
These lights were used in world war 2. Hardly a secret.
>AI-driven loyal wingman platforms
Are they unironically implanting AI fear like it's that shitty Jamie Fox Stealth movie. The frick did I need to know its loyal AI for?
No, as has been pretty obvious by the fact everyone with the budget to do so is developing their own, including a lot of F-35 customers.
No and this is a good thing. Most of the world has been able to coast to 5th gen by purchasing F-35s, this is good for the capability in the short term but in the long term will frick their industrial know how, which is actually pretty easy to lose if you let it. Granted there's tons of F-35 partners manufacturing parts and getting knowledge of stealth operations but designing, testing and producing something like an F-35 from scratch is a whole different thing. Any country that wants to keep building their own planes without reliance on the US is gonna have to figure out how to make 6th gens.
Ironically know how is actually the easier part, the challenge is establishing/maintaining a proper military industrial infrastructure
Very few countries have the national will to do this even some engaged in conflict scenarios
>While this is probably true its purely because aus is effectively a us military base with almost no autonomy, the uk actually has some modicum of independence though largely 99% aligned geopolitically, but not economically
>hey can you send a warship to the middle east? these houthis are attacking commercial shipping
>nah mate
>...can you send like, an e-7 or something?
>sure mate
TOTAL CONTROL OVER THE AUSTRALIAN MILITARY
WHEN WILL THE TYRANNY END
why wouldn't it? If one thing has been vindicated from the F-35 program, it's that having more partners does wonders. The F-35 will be around for decades because it's so cost effective, because so many countries chipped in
christ, why is the NGAD so fricking huge?
I swear, it's like each fighter generation gets bigger than the previous generation.
Soon, we'll have fighters the size of bombers.
We're quickly approaching the point where the only difference between a fighter and a bomber is if you make room for a radar or not. NGAD is already operating in a paradigm where it's never going to get close to an enemy contact and instead is mostly going to be using distributed sensors and weapons on loyal wingman platforms, and stealth means that you have to carry all your weapons internally lest they frick over your RCS.
[nospoilerson/k/]It's amazing how many buzzword fit together when talking about this sort of thing[/spoiler]
6th gen fighter is literally weaponized AWAC.
it's supposed to glide at extremely high altitudes
F-22s actually kinda small for a modern fighter.
They already are, the F-35.
They might sell a newer and lower cost version of the F22 once the NGAD is near completion.
>They might sell a newer and lower cost version of the F22 once the NGAD is near completion.
Impossible, the F-22 tooling was scrapped and the plane itself is scheduled for replacement.