i’ve seen a few people on reddit MP5 say they needed to replace bits for their POFs. Overall they usually say it’s something extremely minor but I haven’t seen anyone say their AP5 needs work anywhere online. Though did see one person say their POF had canted irons and scratches on it that looked as if it was rubbing against other guns. Also apparently the POF has a super cheap looking finish on it.
i’ve seen a few people on reddit MP5 say they needed to replace bits for their POFs. Overall they usually say it’s something extremely minor but I haven’t seen anyone say their AP5 needs work anywhere online. Though did see one person say their POF had canted irons and scratches on it that looked as if it was rubbing against other guns. Also apparently the POF has a super cheap looking finish on it.
They might work right out of the box, or they might not.
Had to replace a bunch of small parts for HK originals on my POF to make it work reliably, and I know other people had to do the same.
The tooling is not expensive, it’s a stamped receiver, should be cheaper to produce than any gun with a machined receiver. It probably cost fricking nothing to manufacture these.
Paki ones are made using machinery direct from Germany and overseen by HK.
Go with century if you want but I doubt they're "More" reliable.
I have a paki MP5, and there's nothing wrong with it except for the fact that the fricking trilug is out of spec. You can force a silencer onto it, but I don't want to risk shooting it. This is apparently such a common problem among the POF MP5s that the importer won't do anything about it. Pakis consider the trilug to be purely cosmetic. The only recourse is to replace the barrel. I'm just going to cope by eventually buying one of those SWAT LARP Surefire handguards that prevent you from mounting a silencer. I'll buy an AP5-P to use with my silencer.
tl;dr you're shooting yourself in the foot and wasting money by buying a paki MP5 now that the turk MP5s are cheaper.
It's not out of spec, it has that moron thick coat of shitty paint on it that prevents it from fitting.
t. had mine stripped and cerakoted and now it fits perfectly, it's here on the left
Stamping is expensive to set up. Domestic G3s were cheap because the tooling was bought off ex-producers, PTRs off Portugal, Century from Spain and using parts kits, etc. MP5s have no equivalent, if you want one it has built off somebodies guesswork tooling that took expensive trial and error to set up or imported at relatively great cost.
>"Stamping is expensive to set up." >"60 years ago"
I don't think that's a very good answer.
Because people are willing to pay for it so there's no reason for them to not charge insane money.
and most of those people are gov agencies who dont care its tax payer money
Hk post 90s is shit and like colt relies on the name and complacent reorders
>I don't think that's a very good answer.
the advance of time doesn't magically lower the manpower requirements for setting up equipment, especially if it's a 60 year old design that has not been streamlined for 21st century manufacturing methods
this isn't even a thing specific to guns, there was this material used to make nuclear warheads in the 50s that the government needed more of to maintain the stockpile, and even though they knew what it was and how it was made, they basically did all of the r&d from scratch all over again in like 2000 because it was all based on tools and methods that were decades obsolete and the doccumentation didn't help much at all
>it's 1950 >the height of mass-production technology is stamping >every industry that needs to mass produce parts has stamping equipment >it's 1960 >along comes computer numerical control >it's great, all the press brakes and stamping dies switch from manual to CNC >it's 1970 >eventually somebody manages to make a CNC 3-axis mill that works pretty well >"hmm, this would work great for that milled rifle Stoner came up with" >it's 1980 >wow these AR-15s kick lots of ass >everybody buys one >all the gun manufacturers tool up to make them, selling their old equipment and buying CNC mills >it's 2000 >nobody in industry really uses stamping equipment anymore except for specialty purposes >why would you since a 3-axis can do more stuff, is faster, and is cheaper due to economy of scale? >it's 2022 >a fricking moron on /k/ who doesn't know how anything works says an ancient deprecated submachine gun should be cheap because he says so >"they're just stamped after all" >
because it is. the rockets were assembled by hand. we haven't trained people to do those jobs in almost fifty years, we've gone through multiple generations of robot manufacturing methods. it's not so much that some magic piece of information is lost, but all of the infrastructure for that technology doesn't exist anymore.
the technology to make early microprocessors and semiconductors has been lost, too. sure, we know how they did it, but to do it exactly like they did it would be expensive, shitty, and useless. that's why they just use modern fab methods, even for cheap shit.
im not defending nasa, they're charlatans, but don't be a moron
In what fricking universe do you live in that CNC milling parts is cheaper than stamping
Stamping is expensive to set up tooling for but once it’s set up it’s far far cheaper, faster and easier than CNC milling is for mass production
>In what fricking universe do you live in that CNC milling parts is cheaper than stamping
the one where china makes everything out of plastic and pot metal because they did the math
>everything is about being as efficient as possible >stop buying guns just because you like them! that's not how you become a proper right-wing insurgent!
I get why people would pay for it. It's cool, still works, and has a classic vidya/movie vibe like a classic car. Why in the frick people are paying 3k for polymer blowback B@T subguns is fricking insane.
Stamping vs machining is like beer in cans vs bottles. It costs more to set up stamping/cans, but the unit cost is way lower when you make a lot of them, the alternative costs more per item, but costs a lot less to start up. Countries planning on building 1,000,000 guns use stamping because the savings on unit cost x1,000,000 make up for the difference in cost to start making them.
You think that's ridiculous, look at the Title II versions. They are going for $50k or more now. I remember seeing ads for full auto MP5 conversions in Shotgun News for $2000 back in the late 80's. Would love to have one, but am a poorgay and can only afford an $18,000 full auto Uzi.
Same. Closest I've found domestically is this weird Defense Moulding Enterprises one but I can't even get it to fit in my gun. Either my magwell is out of spec in a strange way or I need to file the mag to fit, and either one is a scary prospect when I've only got the single example.
I find it hilarious too. One of the complaints you always, always hear about the G3 is that it has shit ergonomics and a bad manual of arms... but the gripframe with the trigger pack is literally identical and interchangeable between the G3 and MP5, and the manual of arms is exactly the same in every way between both.
>the manual of arms is exactly the same in every way between both
The placement of your hands and the strength required between the two is so different that its almost not even in the same realm. One requires effort, hand position, and strength to use and the other is basically right next to your hand and can be used with minimal strength and no special hand gestures.
>implying that a G3's charging handle is not basically right next to your hand >implying that the force required to lock back a G3 bolt is significantly more than required to lock open an AR or pretty much any other self-loading rifle >implying that a G3 requires "special hand gestures" in the form of the HK slap but the MP5's HK slap is just fine >inb4 "but muh LRBHO", yeah well the MP5 doesn't have one of those either
>implying I meant HK slap and not actually pulling the charging handle back on the G3
You obvious do not own either one.
>implying that the force required to lock back a G3 bolt is significantly more than required to lock open an AR or pretty much any other self-loading rifle
Moving goalposts now? The G3 wienering handle actually requires force to use since its camming against the bolt carrier to unlock the rollers. The MP5 rollers can unlock just by the weight of the bolt carrier alone if you took the stock off. Which means using the MP5 charging handle requires very little hand dexterity or strength.
>You obvious do not own either one.
You are obviously projecting.
again, why do you think the support hand is not already right next to the CH? >i-it's farther f-forwar-
Yes, and the G3 is also much more front-heavy so you grip it forward further to balance it and properly brace yourself for the recoil, meaning that the charging handle is right above your thumb... in precisely the same way as an MP5. That is the exact reason why HK put it there (technically also because of the longer cartridge requiring more bolt retraction, but the extension tube coming off the BCG that interacts with the CH could be substantially shorter and the charging mechanism set further back if desired. But they didn't. Because it's in the right spot. Which you would know if you had ever shot a G3/clone). >Moving goalposts now?
what the frick are you on about, you were the one who said >the strength required between the two is so different that its almost not even in the same realm
which is a ridiculous exaggeration because a G3, while requiring somewhat more force than an MP5 to wiener, doesn't need much more force than it takes to charge any other semi-auto rifle. It is not a super heavy pull unless you A) have a fricked-up wienering tube gap, or B) are extremely weak. >The G3 wienering handle actually requires force to use since its camming against the bolt carrier to unlock the rollers
again, if this is the case the rifle is fricked up and you should take a feeler gauge to the wienering tube gap and bolt gap. The CH should offer little to no resistance when you extend it... exactly like the MP5. >The MP5 rollers can unlock just by the weight of the bolt carrier alone if you took the stock off.
Do you even understand how RDB works? This is no less true for the G3 than the MP5. If you remove the buttplate and grip frame, and then thump the butt on the ground with the CH forward, the BCG will fall out just the same.
In conclusion, you are moronic, nogunz, and weak.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>A) have a fricked-up wienering tube gap
Bet you $3 he shot a century C308 and that was the problem. Wasn't unlocking the rollers with the lift
2 years ago
Anonymous
I'll see that $3 and raise you another $3 that he's never shot a gun before in his life.
It's an MP5, made in turkey. They wanted MP5s for their police so they bought a factory from HK and HK set everything up for them with HK machines and tooling.
If your standard is simply "made by a german" you're SOL because everyone in Germany is a Turk or a Black person now anyway.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>It's an MP5, made in turkey.
And going by the pictures, it's made badly. At least it works, in another ten years when their tooling wears down, they'll be like POF and the others, making defunct MP5 """"""""""""clones"""""""""
2 years ago
Anonymous
They've been regularly maintaining the factory because these are actual military guns modified to semi auto and imported. They still use the MP5 so they keep up the factory.
The guns are fine, the weld you're talking about is a reinforcement weld for longevity under full auto use with 5.56.
2 years ago
Anonymous
POF's latest batch has improved QC but that still doesn't excuse the fact that they rely on Fedarm for parts and use dogshit finishes.
Turk MP5's are early style guns with slim handguards and contoured trigger packs.
Lmao people in here flouting fricking Century Arms and turkroach shit. Century will DEFINITELY get it right I mean look how many times they learned from getting it wrong on Cetmes, the inch and metric frankenFALs, C308s(that they eventually had to get recievers from PTR), the RAS47s, the C39Vs, the VSKAs, the 5.45 M74s with 5.56 barrels slapped in and fricked headspace, the incorrectly cut doublestack magwells they cut out on singlestack WASRs back in the day. There's more I'm forgetting. If you trust century arms to not sell you a pile of shit then you're a Black person. A double Black person even.
Century is only operating as an importer here, not a manufacturer. The Turk MP-5's are made by MKE.
Century also imports part of the turkish Canik line of pistols - the P99 clones, but Canik actually has 80+ different models and a number of importers for their other lines like Tristar
2 years ago
Anonymous
If I’m going to get an MP5, I am going to get a HK SP5. Not some “just as good” made in turkey.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>the sp5 is a cope at best
I'm okay with that. You're coping too by buying a clone/copy/knock off. I won't be ashamed to show off my purchase when I get it.
>so I can sell for a few hundred more dollars
Well, if that turk gun is any indication, no one would rush to buy what you're selling. Cheap guns don't hold value.
[...] >doesn't even own an AR
It'll be my 3rd AR once finished, then I'll sell my other one and buy a WBP Fox. I've seen them in person at my LGS and feel like they are worth upgrading over my Pioneer AK.
>If >When >I "will"
Come back when you actually iwn a fricking MP5 lmao, you don't even have a PTR piece of shit knockoff.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>you don't even have a PTR
17guns and counting. I'm being delayed right now. Building an AR, then selling another AR to get a nice AK. Honestly, before I'd buy a SP5, I'd rather get a Scar, I could use another .308 in my armory and don't have a use for a PCC. It'll be a while, just save this post then I'll come back to you in two years.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>being delayed >building >to get a >I'd >get a >I could use >It'll be a while >I'll come back
post a single fricking gun you own, homosexual
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes when.
That’s how it works, you save up to get the thing you want rather than getting second best.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>rather than getting second best.
Weird how you posted that second best version of the A1 or even the anniversary A1.
If you're willing to compromise (which you are), you might as well buy the Turk gun, that's made on HK tooling.
2 years ago
Anonymous
I wanted a Steyr AUG and I got one.
I wanted a Trijicon ACOG and I got one.
I wanted a Surefire QD suppressor and I got one.
I want a HK SP5 not some Turkish model, I will get a HK SP5.
What’s hard to grasp about this.
2 years ago
Anonymous
You got the sb2 didn't you?
2 years ago
Anonymous
No.
You wanted a pre-ban AUG, but you fell back to that shit when you didn't want to pay for it.
So you've convinced yourself that this shit is what you've wanted. Which it's not. Because it's lame.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Nitrided barrel >Never compromise
2 years ago
Anonymous
I can afford to buy an SP5 right now, I bought an MKE because $3k for an MP5 is moronic. I can buy an MKE and every accessory I want to actually use it for the same price.
2 years ago
Anonymous
this. I can’t justify buying an SP5 when I can but like 3 other nice ass guns for that price. Just not worth it.
2 years ago
Anonymous
ooh thats nice
2 years ago
Anonymous
Probably north of 15 pounds though
2 years ago
Anonymous
HK prices itself out of the market in long guns.
>New SL8 costs almost as much as a Tommybuilt >SP5 and SP5k totally uncompetitive in a market where 2 HK licensed manufacturers are importing, as well as some US wackos with the Portuguese G3 assembly line >416 and 417 uppers rival top tier complete AR's in price available in both DI and piston >no USC Pistol
.No HK433 >No MP7 pistol
2 years ago
Anonymous
>no MP7 pistol
The fact no one (keltec) has made a clone in .17 wsm disappoints me.
2 years ago
MilSurpDude
Coincidentally I used an AUG for a nightshoot over the weekend and reconfirmed my disdain for shooting it suppressed and how absolutely AIDS the charging handle is if you have FRICKING ANYTHING hanging even just a bit over the left sight of the optic rail. Like a PEQ. I can't wait to buy one for myself and shit on it constantly.
>let's me hook on the rear of my sling and keep it from sliding around like with the stock-mounted loop.
Fricking genius.
>I'd still say that's PTR courtesy of the welded rail. I'm still not sure why they don't have an offering without it, they did just that with the PTR-91.
Welded rail, no forward sling loop, but they have the magwell clasp, it's a fricking shit show.
The 'classic' line will delete the rail but I'll bet money they have problems with claw mounts not fitting because their receivers are out of spec. That's why they weld the rails in the first place.
Their continued run-ins with issues while shooting suppressed is what really gave me pause in going PTR when I was in the market. I've got a buddy who has one that runs fine with a can, but everytime I see someone having can-induced roller bulges or feeding issues with an MP5, it's a PTR.
[...] >Never buy their in house manufactured parts, they're ass.
well that's a bummer. i was a little surprised there were chopped phillips screws holding the levers on though...
any ambi safeties that don't suck? magpul? since the original one broke i figured i'd get one i can actually use comfortably
Well there's always the Navy ambis, but that requires getting a new housing and a new trigger pack...
2 years ago
Anonymous
Aren't you supposed to be an old man?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Well there's always the Navy ambis, but that requires getting a new housing and a new trigger pack...
welp i don't see the parts in stock to build a navy lower except F/A trigger packs and a couple complete 0,1 fbi lowers for over 600
i'll admit i'm new to these guns though
2 years ago
MilSurpDude
Yeah I'm looking through the usual vendors (Gatewood, RTG, HKParts) and pickings are pretty sparse right now. I'd just buy a regular SEF lever and stick it out until product comes back in stock. Keep an eye out.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Does the Mahpul lower require navy packs?
2 years ago
Anonymous
according to picrel no, it requires sef hardware
2 years ago
Anonymous
Wait, does that mean the magpul safety drops into SEF grip housings with the finger groves and thumb shelf?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yes.
2 years ago
Anonymous
REEEEEE NO YOU NEED TO PAY 280% MORE FOR GERMAN OVERREGULATION
>Truk roach shit
H
&
K
Or Nothing. Get a better PCC over an H&K copy. It disgusts me when poors posts chinese and turkish knock offs. If I'm going to spend any money all, it'll be on an authentic gun.
Not to mention PTR doesn't even use HK spec stamping dies.
And the H&K SP5 uses civ limited parts and a gimped mag release pivot while the MKE is make from machine guns tgat they modify to semi auto and then super pinky promise the ATF were totally never F/A capable.
They aren't even clones, MKE are literally contract guns that HK set up for the turks. Clones are the US garage builders. Only HK level autists care about these things. It's not like AKs where the soviets gave the technical data package to satellite states and all of those productions are considered true AKs. HK gays are the worst.
This is what pisses me off. Clones, copies. Do you think people buy the clones and copies because they need a PCC? No, they buy it cause of the legend, the gun featured in movies and tv. The gun that made history. Fricking clones? If people didn't care, Gucci and Prada bags would be cheap. If people didn't care, they'd make Hondas civics that look like Ferrari and Lambos. If people didn' care, they wouldn't spend that money, but they fricking DO care, you homosexual.
Look at the resale value of a genuine H&K MP5 versus the clones. It matters, and you're moronic to suggest other wise.
You're not buying a real mp5 and the sp5 is a cope at best and you're paying for the roll mark on a stamped piece of sheet metal. That's it. I don't buy my guns to sit in a safe like a homosexual so I can sell for a few hundred more dollars. I shoot them.
>the sp5 is a cope at best
I'm okay with that. You're coping too by buying a clone/copy/knock off. I won't be ashamed to show off my purchase when I get it.
>so I can sell for a few hundred more dollars
Well, if that turk gun is any indication, no one would rush to buy what you're selling. Cheap guns don't hold value.
https://i.imgur.com/jHh3HKB.gif
>doesn't own any of the stuff we're talking about >doesn't even own an AR
Wow, I'm shocked, truly.
>doesn't even own an AR
It'll be my 3rd AR once finished, then I'll sell my other one and buy a WBP Fox. I've seen them in person at my LGS and feel like they are worth upgrading over my Pioneer AK.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Cheap guns don't hold value.
MKE were $3k+ a couple years ago lmao
2 years ago
Anonymous
>MKE were $3k+ a couple years ago lmao
They dropped in price a fair bit, mostly because since then, H&K SP5 have been in better supply. SP5 for a good year, almost hit $5k during the scamdemic.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>H&K SP5 have been in better supply.
than what? WA200’s?
2 years ago
Anonymous
>They dropped in price a fair bit, mostly because since then, H&K SP5 have been in better supply.
They've barely been in better supply, SP5K-PDW's are still nowhere to be seen for MSRP.
The reason AP5's are dirt cheap right now is because the purchasing power of the Turkish Lira is in the shitter at the moment.
2 years ago
MilSurpDude
>I won't be ashamed to show off my purchase when I get it.
You should, single-pin housings are the definition of shame.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>cheap guns don't hold value
This is cope >what is surp >what are saigas and veprs
oh gee, I guess I'll have sell my mosin for less than the $100 I bought it for 7 years ago. I'll put the money towards a K31 which are totally still $300 and not 3x that price. Last I heard spas 12s were still under $900 too right?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Nailed the problem with his statement. Cheap guns (that are cool/imports) will absolutely go up in price if they are ever turned off or become less available
Guess what, people buy Gucci and Prada because it’s literally just a status symbol. Practically speaking, you could reuse walmart bags to accomplish what those bags do.
Machined firearms built on the same license? One is just expensive because of tariffs and worker salaries. Kind of like how a shitty Harley Davidsons cost 3x a Honda that will last 20 years longer.
>Practically speaking, you could reuse walmart bags to accomplish what those bags do.
Or you could just buy a decent bag that's not overhyped but still looks nice and is probably more durable, yeah.
Rollmark chasing is the hallmark of feminine behavior, prevalent in gays and Black folk.
2 years ago
Anonymous
also a solid comparison. I can’t find a bad review or negative statement of any MP5 clones aside from the PTR anywhere on the internet. Even with the POF i’ve only seen one person say they needed to send there’s back
2 years ago
Anonymous
PTR make trash in general. They use a lot of shortcuts in their production and the MP5's don't even have sling swivels.
https://i.imgur.com/bGbwo6G.jpg
I could understand it when it was still the king of 9mm SMGs, but there's a better option now.
>He doesn't realize that the PTR and MKE MP5 reproductions are closer in spec to the real production MP5 than the travesty HK released in the SP5
You should probably do a little homework, rustled anon. The SP5 is less of an MP5 than shit being pushed out by other companies. A roll mark doesn't tell the story.
This is what pisses me off. Clones, copies. Do you think people buy the clones and copies because they need a PCC? No, they buy it cause of the legend, the gun featured in movies and tv. The gun that made history. Fricking clones? If people didn't care, Gucci and Prada bags would be cheap. If people didn't care, they'd make Hondas civics that look like Ferrari and Lambos. If people didn' care, they wouldn't spend that money, but they fricking DO care, you homosexual.
Look at the resale value of a genuine H&K MP5 versus the clones. It matters, and you're moronic to suggest other wise.
This is what pisses me off. Clones, copies. Do you think people buy the clones and copies because they need a PCC? No, they buy it cause of the legend, the gun featured in movies and tv. The gun that made history. Fricking clones? If people didn't care, Gucci and Prada bags would be cheap. If people didn't care, they'd make Hondas civics that look like Ferrari and Lambos. If people didn' care, they wouldn't spend that money, but they fricking DO care, you homosexual.
Look at the resale value of a genuine H&K MP5 versus the clones. It matters, and you're moronic to suggest other wise.
My brother in christ the SP5 is l i t e r a l l y the least to-spec MP5 offering on the market...it's reserved for people chasing rollmarks or constantly selling their shit off
>the least to-spec MP5 offering on the market
I'd still say that's PTR courtesy of the welded rail. I'm still not sure why they don't have an offering without it, they did just that with the PTR-91.
That said the SP5's factory configuration is absolutely comical considering what they ask for it. Imagine dropping $3k for something that requires you to mill a shelf, buy a new housing, swap out a rearsight and spray over some homosexual safety warning bullshit just to get it looking as authentic as a $1100 clone offering.
>buy mke >safety breaks almost immediately >replace with
https://hkparts.net/product/enhanced-ambi-selector-set-contoured-sef-p18257.htm/ >can't pull the trigger on position one like it's still on safe >put old safety in, works fine
did i buy the wrong safety or what do?
it doesn't seem like something you can even install incorrectly
Aftermarket bullshit is the problem, just get a regularass SEF safety and call it a day.
>He bought an HKParts new manufactured part
Oh you sweet, dumb, fool. Never buy their in house manufactured parts, they're ass.
[...]
The hell is going on with that rear pin? You have my benis in a quandary.
H&K ambi sling pin, let's me hook on the rear of my sling and keep it from sliding around like with the stock-mounted loop. I put a small o-ring on the screw it to make it lock up tight.
>let's me hook on the rear of my sling and keep it from sliding around like with the stock-mounted loop.
Fricking genius.
>I'd still say that's PTR courtesy of the welded rail. I'm still not sure why they don't have an offering without it, they did just that with the PTR-91.
Welded rail, no forward sling loop, but they have the magwell clasp, it's a fricking shit show.
The 'classic' line will delete the rail but I'll bet money they have problems with claw mounts not fitting because their receivers are out of spec. That's why they weld the rails in the first place.
I'll give you the SP5k, that one has been neutered to hell, but what's out of spec about the SP5 except the shelf?
https://i.imgur.com/Kqy8AiS.jpg
>the least to-spec MP5 offering on the market
I'd still say that's PTR courtesy of the welded rail. I'm still not sure why they don't have an offering without it, they did just that with the PTR-91.
That said the SP5's factory configuration is absolutely comical considering what they ask for it. Imagine dropping $3k for something that requires you to mill a shelf, buy a new housing, swap out a rearsight and spray over some homosexual safety warning bullshit just to get it looking as authentic as a $1100 clone offering.
[...]
Aftermarket bullshit is the problem, just get a regularass SEF safety and call it a day.
[...]
H&K ambi sling pin, let's me hook on the rear of my sling and keep it from sliding around like with the stock-mounted loop. I put a small o-ring on the screw it to make it lock up tight.
>Imagine dropping $3k for something that requires you to mill a shelf, buy a new housing, swap out a rearsight and spray over some homosexual safety warning bullshit
Rearsight? Warning? Are US SP5s different than yuropoor ones?
t. Czech
(you know which one)
Wew, what the frick were they thinking...
Sasuga, HK USA.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>that pussy CYA shit on the magwell
2 years ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/AW4io7T.jpg
>Rearsight? Warning? Are US SP5s different than yuropoor ones?
Well they're sure as shit different from the real deal.
https://i.imgur.com/0tSonyj.jpg
Wew, what the frick were they thinking...
Sasuga, HK USA.
>people are clamoring for a new HK-made semi MP5 for decades after the initial HK94 >HK knows these people are willing to shell out moronic sums of money for authenticity >go out of your way to change a bunch of stuff on the SP5 to make it less authentic, even though you have absolutely no shortage of original parts
Something tells me they took the memes about hating civilians a little bit personally.
2 years ago
MilSurpDude
It's import/export law bullshit, but how MKE is able to circumvent all that and get away with just having a half-assed shelf casually shoved into the receiver to stop FA bolt groups from being used, I don't know.
Don't beat yourself up, you got the one with extra mags and shit right? These didn't come with any accessories.
Also, I ordered two from different stores and both orders got canceled for lack of supply. I'm pretty sure the CORE line was a power play on PTR to kill their "classic" models in the crib.
If it were $300 like an AR binary trigger, sure
but they go for like $700 last time I looked
it sure does incentivize one to just buy the FA bolt carrier and a 4-position trigger pack for literally half the cost of the binary.
you were right that prices have gone up but observe:
https://www.armsunlimited.com/Heckler-Koch-MP5-Complete-4-Position-Burst-Trigger-p/hk-214081.htm >$550
vs.
https://franklinarmory.com/franklin-armory-bfsiii-hk-c1-for-hk-91-93-mp5/ >$700
so it's not going to be half the price, it's just going to be exactly the same after you get the BCG
hypothetically, anyway
look if you're operating under the assumption that they're only tenuously considering it legal you should really just assume it isn't. it's like wearing a mask, following the rules is legitimately more hassle and potential risk than just breaking them
its like braces on pistols - before they announced the point system i was complying. afterwords i just decided to buy an ACR stock and frick the ATF because complying just draws attention to yourself
45 full size, seals are gay, you are gay, but I love you regardless. gayboi
Nice guns HKgay
Any anons use the botach ultra low mount? I think I'm gonna give it a shot with my t2. I want an absolute cowitness, looks like b&t mount will only go lower 1/3
Any tall mounts frick my shit up because I am ultra manlet with tiny hands but a huge fukken head. Like a lightbulb with arms. I like the holosun square hot dogs, no mounts, frick mounts. Frick aim point too. It’s all chinesium, or japanesium, holosun is just honest dude.
The way every HK gun works is they are extremely expensive to set up tooling and require competent workers but once it's set up they can churn them out like crazy. This works well for government contracts but in the civilian world the costs don't work out as well, people like PTR or Century had to charge a shit load for earlier guns to cover start up costs while still not offering a decent gun.
HK overcharges because they can, the name alone is half the price of the gun. But the cost to make a roller delayed gun is dirt cheap, so the markup on them is more than probably any other gun, they are basically one step above simple blowback.
Because the average potbelly or puveface zealot will continue to buy one for $2000+. Whereas I can go down to my local pawn shop and buy a used AR for half the price.
Half the price of HK guns is paying the HK tax, and while they aren’t nearly as bad as Colt they still rely a frickton on what they made in the past to stay relevant today.
t. want a USP
Lmao people in here flouting fricking Century Arms and turkroach shit. Century will DEFINITELY get it right I mean look how many times they learned from getting it wrong on Cetmes, the inch and metric frankenFALs, C308s(that they eventually had to get recievers from PTR), the RAS47s, the C39Vs, the VSKAs, the 5.45 M74s with 5.56 barrels slapped in and fricked headspace, the incorrectly cut doublestack magwells they cut out on singlestack WASRs back in the day. There's more I'm forgetting. If you trust century arms to not sell you a pile of shit then you're a Black person. A double Black person even.
The people shitposting are just trolls, if every MP5 in the thread was an SP5 they'd be mocking spending so much on a stamped steel gun without full auto.
None of them own any of these guns, they're just starting shit because they have no lives.
>You don't even have the right muzzle device on the AK
Regular muzzle device sucks, I like the look of the flash hider. Anyone, that's a $500 pioneer AK, that I put work on. Changed the stock set to wood, hand polished the trigger and bolt assembly. Still going to sell it with my BCM and get that WBP fox.
>Buys a wall of garbage and calls it a "collection" >Playing homie rich spending 3x the $$ on a rollmark, oh wait, "talking about" doing that, clearly can't even afford a PTR
>CZ knockoff
That's my space cowboy blaster. I'll take the heat and defend my greatest ally. >FAL knockoff.
That wasn't included in the picture, but my FAL was built on a original surplus metric kit, with a new CHF CL FN barrel in 2010; I followed the DSA serial back in time.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Congratulations, it's even worse than a knockoff, it's a kit bash by a company that couldn't even build in spec guns.
My FAL is a pre-ban Argentine so by the moronic rules of this thread I can judge the shit out of you.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>by the moronic rules of this thread I can judge the shit out of you.
Judge away.
2 years ago
Anonymous
ok
2 years ago
Anonymous
Im thinking about a jericho 941 but i already have a cz, is it worth it
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Im thinking about a jericho 941 but i already have a cz, is it worth it
Which CZ model do you have? Depending on your answer, yes. If you have a newer CZ then no, the Jericho isn't very different to consider worth it and the Space Cowboy specials type R go for over $800. Most have the safe on frame, not slide and that's one key difference.
2 years ago
Anonymous
i picked up a baby eagle iii for $450 which is just a magnum research jericho and i have zero regrets. they're just cz-75s with a different shape. if that's worth buying a gun over then yeah its worth it. the weight distribution does make a difference though
2 years ago
Anonymous
GUILTY
2 years ago
Anonymous
Yeah. AKM are knock offs of the AK47. My M16a1 clone isn't a real Colt. What else?
>shitting on people who own clones >while also coping over the clones he owns
Keep moving the goalposts, homosexual.
2 years ago
Anonymous
See
https://i.imgur.com/6rwky3A.jpg
The people shitposting are just trolls, if every MP5 in the thread was an SP5 they'd be mocking spending so much on a stamped steel gun without full auto.
None of them own any of these guns, they're just starting shit because they have no lives.
I... uh... may be moronic. For some reason it looked like a couple slots of rail were poking out from under the mount, and colloquially I just call any of the various HK non-rail mounts for the G3/33/Mp5 "claw mounts" because of how they engage with the reciever.
>Also god the clear mags look good on 33s
Easily the best looking mags, agreed. Too bad the 308 ones are $500
I... uh... may be moronic. For some reason it looked like a couple slots of rail were poking out from under the mount, and colloquially I just call any of the various HK non-rail mounts for the G3/33/Mp5 "claw mounts" because of how they engage with the reciever.
Totally fair lol, I think it's the ELCAN ARMS mounts throwing you off to be honest.
nice
been eyeing up a C93 kit
btw what grip was that on the AR?
oh, and I think the HK93 parts kits are ludicrusly overpriced, especially since Century might import more MKE's
Yea the clear G3 Mags are Turkish contract only iirc? I mean considering you can still buy infinite HK G3 Mags for 8 bucks it boggles the mind why someone would spend stacks on the contract mags...
I am incredibly confused by what you think you're seeing there. That's not a claw mount or a welded rail.
[...]
Ergo grip, it's not for everyone
I've been hoping to see MKE bring these back with Century Importing them now.
5.56 HK roller-locks are far and few between unless you want to get an iffy-kit build or spend a ludicrous amount of money on a pre-ban HK93.
Would be really nice if they would import an HK53 clone as well.
They were never popular, contract or civilian sales. Which is unfortunate because they're truly incredible to shoot. Full auto 33's look like someone shooting a 9mm.
https://i.imgur.com/t0qP658.jpg
>Also god the clear mags look good on 33s
Easily the best looking mags, agreed. Too bad the 308 ones are $500
[...]
Totally fair lol, I think it's the ELCAN ARMS mounts throwing you off to be honest.
[...]
oh, and I think the HK93 parts kits are ludicrusly overpriced, especially since Century might import more MKE's
Seriously though, frick the MKE clear mags are hot.
>the 5.56 mags have fricking anti-aircraft sighting marks on them gor shooting diwn helicopters and fricking jets too
>the 5.56 mags have fricking anti-aircraft sighting marks on them gor shooting diwn helicopters and fricking jets too
Seriously, look at this shit
I emailed MKE once and asked how this shit is supposed to work and they told me they don't really know but if I shoot anything down with it to call them back and tell them.
Because this is a 5.56 gun not a 9mm and it's a reinforcement weld.
Late model legit HK33 had them too but it's always under the wide handguard so you don't notice.
I looked at it again about 2 minutes later and realized that it wasn't 9mm so I deleted it. I didn't know Zenith got any of MKE's other guns into the country before they fricked themselves into oblivion.
Americans pay a cartel price for many things.
whenever there are import restrictions, recognize that this means you're dealing with a national cartel.
You pay twice what the rest of the world does for ammo, I could send you a shipping container of ammo tomorow at a third less than you normally pay.
You pay a shit load for cheap automatic weapons, 30K for something worth $500 in international markets.
Your government gets half the money, the national cartel gets the other half
you would think the strong US dollar would mean you could buy dirt cheap guns from places like the Czech republic- well I can but you can't :^)
why are all czechs like this
truly the most mediocre country of europe
mid guns
mid beer
mid b***hes
only flex is that they can buy an SKS for 200 less than here
Sad!
Many such cases
>buy mke >safety breaks almost immediately >replace with
https://hkparts.net/product/enhanced-ambi-selector-set-contoured-sef-p18257.htm/ >can't pull the trigger on position one like it's still on safe >put old safety in, works fine
did i buy the wrong safety or what do?
it doesn't seem like something you can even install incorrectly
>the least to-spec MP5 offering on the market
I'd still say that's PTR courtesy of the welded rail. I'm still not sure why they don't have an offering without it, they did just that with the PTR-91.
That said the SP5's factory configuration is absolutely comical considering what they ask for it. Imagine dropping $3k for something that requires you to mill a shelf, buy a new housing, swap out a rearsight and spray over some homosexual safety warning bullshit just to get it looking as authentic as a $1100 clone offering.
[...]
Aftermarket bullshit is the problem, just get a regularass SEF safety and call it a day.
[...]
H&K ambi sling pin, let's me hook on the rear of my sling and keep it from sliding around like with the stock-mounted loop. I put a small o-ring on the screw it to make it lock up tight.
>Never buy their in house manufactured parts, they're ass.
well that's a bummer. i was a little surprised there were chopped phillips screws holding the levers on though...
any ambi safeties that don't suck? magpul? since the original one broke i figured i'd get one i can actually use comfortably
Because it's shockingly good. Pic related was my first time shooting a full auto one and you can see how controllable it was.
Accuracy was surprising as well. We took offhand semi shots at greater range and they went right were we wanted right away.
Yes. Shot mine for the first time over the weekend and it was lights out. 115gr/124/147. Anything. May pick up a k model too at these prices. I bought a 3lug adaptor, supressor, a3f stock, and ammo and am still under what a sp5 would cost
HK: "Do you want a MP5?"
Cops: "YES!"
HK: "Give us $2,000 then."
Cops: "$2,000? Here's $4,000 of taxpayer's money!"
HK: "Do you want a MP5?"
Civ: "YES!"
HK: "No, FRICK YOU!" >spits in face
HK: "Haha, just kidding, give us $2,000."
Civ: "OMG TAKE MY MONEY!"
HK: "Thanks."
HK: "Btw, frick your mother"
Nice guns HKgay
Any anons use the botach ultra low mount? I think I'm gonna give it a shot with my t2. I want an absolute cowitness, looks like b&t mount will only go lower 1/3
Because they're $1100, not $2k. Because a 3d printed one is the same price. And because that is the ugliest piece of shit I have ever seen.
Also the MP5 doesn't shear in half if you drop it.
I'll pay the extra $50 for an actual steel MP5 that's going to last decades of serious use and hold accuracy and reliability throughout. But you do you man, it's certainly an option for ban states and felons.
You keep downplaying how expensive everything HK related is. I’m not saying that MP5 clones are bad, or even that a $1200 price tag is bad, but with all the benefits from 3D printing, why don’t you just make your own for much less?
>why don’t you just make your own for much less?
Price out that 3d printed gun for me. I am genuinely curious how much it's saving you in exchange for having a toy instead of a gun.
>You can probably >About >Lol but MP5s are $1800 >Like $600 dude
Yeah, no, I'm building an MP5 right now and I know for a fact this is bullshit.
Price out the build you fricking homosexual. Give me a number, I want you to see how fricking moronic you are.
2 years ago
Anonymous
People are building them for less than $1,000. With MP5 part kits and filament cost. Idk how I can be more clear. Look up printshootrepeat or ivanthetroll (the designer) and they give rundowns on cost and the work that it takes to put these together
2 years ago
Anonymous
$999 is "less than $1000"
How much do these cost to complete.
I'll give you a hint, it's more than $600. >Parts kits
MP5 parts kits are $1600 MINIMUM. Only a moron would yse one for this, they're buying new manufactured parts from RCM, RTG, and HKparts.
Again, why would I use this dofshit when I could pay $1100 for a real MP5 made in a real factory that really holds zero and survives use.
2 years ago
Anonymous
Even at $1000 it’s still cheaper than any MP5 clone could ever get. I don’t think you understand.
Mp5 clone at its cheapest: >$1170 for gun + tax potentially >$20 for shipping and $20 for FFL transfer >$75 for claw mount >$150-300 for brace setup >$40 x however many more mags you want since yours only comes with 1
Or just print everything plus brace/mags for $1000 max. $1200 is a great deal for an MP5 clone, but you’re moronic if you can’t see the value in just printing one
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Or just print everything plus brace/mags for $1000 max.
I love how you keep throwing these numbers around and still haven't priced this shit, not even one part. >Print MP5 mags
Pack it up boys, he's a fricking moron.
>$1170 for gun + tax potentially
$1070 >$20 for shipping and $20 for FFL transfer
Oh noooooo, two boxes of 9mm >$75 for claw mount
$5, let's be fair, a UTG will hold zero better than your plastic receiver integrated rail >$150-300 for brace setup
I thought you could just print these, do you think I didn't own a printer? >$40 x however many more mags you want since yours only comes with 1
That you will have to buy as well, so it's a moot point
2 years ago
Anonymous
>Are you serious Black person?
It's all pretty in-line with AR15's except for magazines which you need to buy for this 3d printed gun anyway.
Why even do a 3d printed one if you're not going to make it take MPX mags or something and actually reduce the cost of ownership
>some neckbeard with a $100 Chinese printer is going to melt some Mega Blocks plastic in to a functioning firearm
No thanks, I like my fingers being attached
I see there a lot of replies already, but without reading them, I would guess that because H&K already sells so many to militaries and police departments around the world, the US civilian market is small potatoes to them
Friendly reminder the Magpul MP5 stock, brace, drum, ESK, and lower half exist because Palmetto was going to do an sub $1000 MP5 clone with Fedarm/POF assistance that hopefully is shelved forever now, in perpetuity, forever.
I'm counting on it tbh, we dont need PSA's bullshit thrown into the mix they should stay in their AR/AK lane. Kinda sad that PTR can't compete with the turks but imo they've been fricking up pretty hard and no regrets with my AP5 - they should have made an HK33 and HK53 - it's a much easier process to do with G3 tooling - now they're stuck. Either adapt or die, time to pump out 10mm MP5's
>MKE AP5 price drops to $1200 >Barely a week goes by and Zenith already announces a $500 rebate on their new $2500 U.S. made clones that have barely been out. >Still ~$800 more than the MKE
lmao, what the frick was Zenith thinking?
They, just like OP, thought people were paying $3500 for an MP5.
They didn't realize people were paying $1k for sn MP5 and $2500 to say theirs was an H&K MP5.
I wouldn't say PTR is dead, they have a reputation for good customer service and their guns are ready for an auto sear. They're also competitively priced against everything but the new AP5 core SKU. They'll continue as the US-made option. Zenith OTOH.....they gon learn.
>I can buy three pieces of shit that fail after 500 rounds instead of one real MP5 >This means I win
2 years ago
Anonymous
>pieces of shit that fail after 500 rounds
Any proof of this, or are you just butthurt that you overpaid for a rollmark?
2 years ago
Anonymous
Newest Mr Gunsngear vid.
2 years ago
Anonymous
>600 rounds in >bad extractor spring causes FTE's >CA sends him 3 spares >works fine now
And it's literally nothing.
Extractor springs going bad on MP5's isn't unheard of at all,
shit there's several threads I've seen of virtually new SP5/SP5k's having FTE issues because of bad extractor springs.
The part is so fragile that HK recommends disposing of it and installing a brand new one if it is ever removed because it can get bent out of shape so easily.
2 years ago
MilSurpDude
Oh wow the notoriously fragile extractor spring that has been present since day one of the MP5's introduction broke, RIP.
For real tho, just change it out or, better yet, throw in a steel G3 extractor spring and stop thinking about it. After my factory spring went out after like 5k rounds I went that route
2 years ago
Anonymous
>he didn't read the thread about the biggest rental range in Los Vegas having legit MP5 extractor springs fail around 500 rounds all the time >literally buys clones and Moore Advanced Dynamics bolt heads because its cheaper in the end
The only advantage a real MP5 had was the barrel life. I do not recall exact numbers but its was something like HK barrels had twice or a 1/3 a longer use life (for a FA rental range) than the clones.
2 years ago
Anonymous
So in other words a semi only version will have no real difference in lifespan
2 years ago
Anonymous
https://i.imgur.com/zvdkbdm.jpg
Oh wow the notoriously fragile extractor spring that has been present since day one of the MP5's introduction broke, RIP.
For real tho, just change it out or, better yet, throw in a steel G3 extractor spring and stop thinking about it. After my factory spring went out after like 5k rounds I went that route
>600 rounds in >bad extractor spring causes FTE's >CA sends him 3 spares >works fine now
And it's literally nothing.
Extractor springs going bad on MP5's isn't unheard of at all,
shit there's several threads I've seen of virtually new SP5/SP5k's having FTE issues because of bad extractor springs.
The part is so fragile that HK recommends disposing of it and installing a brand new one if it is ever removed because it can get bent out of shape so easily.
>$3000 9mm has a part that's so shit it's just "normal" to have break on a brand new gun.
Where are people in the thread finding $1600 MP5 parts kit? I've been looking and the cheapest I can find is $2200. Not worth it over the AP5 or the HK SP5.
>Have 4 clones guns >People make fun of me of when I show them >If I buy an AP5 that'll be 5 clone guns
Damned if I do, damned if I don't. Looks like the only winning move, is not to play.
Yeah I'll call out justasgood coping whenever and wherever but the AP5 v. SP5 is really a special case where the significantly cheaper clone has a shitload more practical sense going for it over the actual name brand product
It's not even correct to call it a clone. They're MP5s made under loicense. Only PTR could be called a "clone" since I think they were actually reverse-engineered.
>is it simple parts swap?
Everything from the trunnion forward is completely different.
Turks make a semi MP5SD but I don't think anyone imports it into the US for obvious reasons.
You'd need to build one from scratch, or sacrifice a clone to heavily modify it.
Because frick you
>H&K's actual business motto.
Average H&K justification about prices
because the tooling is expensive and need to be replaced.
if you want, you can get cheap ones from pakistan.
>if you want, you can get cheap ones from pakistan.
lol Century is selling theirs cheaper and they are better build quality
anon... i'm sure it's some kind of crime to mislead someone into blowing themself up
Paki ones are made using machinery direct from Germany and overseen by HK.
Go with century if you want but I doubt they're "More" reliable.
i’ve seen a few people on reddit MP5 say they needed to replace bits for their POFs. Overall they usually say it’s something extremely minor but I haven’t seen anyone say their AP5 needs work anywhere online. Though did see one person say their POF had canted irons and scratches on it that looked as if it was rubbing against other guns. Also apparently the POF has a super cheap looking finish on it.
They might work right out of the box, or they might not.
Had to replace a bunch of small parts for HK originals on my POF to make it work reliably, and I know other people had to do the same.
The tooling is not expensive, it’s a stamped receiver, should be cheaper to produce than any gun with a machined receiver. It probably cost fricking nothing to manufacture these.
I have a paki MP5, and there's nothing wrong with it except for the fact that the fricking trilug is out of spec. You can force a silencer onto it, but I don't want to risk shooting it. This is apparently such a common problem among the POF MP5s that the importer won't do anything about it. Pakis consider the trilug to be purely cosmetic. The only recourse is to replace the barrel. I'm just going to cope by eventually buying one of those SWAT LARP Surefire handguards that prevent you from mounting a silencer. I'll buy an AP5-P to use with my silencer.
tl;dr you're shooting yourself in the foot and wasting money by buying a paki MP5 now that the turk MP5s are cheaper.
It's not out of spec, it has that moron thick coat of shitty paint on it that prevents it from fitting.
t. had mine stripped and cerakoted and now it fits perfectly, it's here on the left
Maybe I'll try that if I can find a ceracoat shop in my area. It's still not worth it when the turkshit guns are $1100 now.
If you're feeling particularly ghetto and just want to use your can, just grab a wire brush and clean your muzzle of the paint.
Because you suck and we hate you. Also based Turkey imports for the win. Century is gonna crush the market and make MP5s great again.
Because people are willing to pay for it so there's no reason for them to not charge insane money.
frick ya mudda
Stamping is expensive to set up. Domestic G3s were cheap because the tooling was bought off ex-producers, PTRs off Portugal, Century from Spain and using parts kits, etc. MP5s have no equivalent, if you want one it has built off somebodies guesswork tooling that took expensive trial and error to set up or imported at relatively great cost.
>"Stamping is expensive to set up."
>"60 years ago"
I don't think that's a very good answer.
and most of those people are gov agencies who dont care its tax payer money
Hk post 90s is shit and like colt relies on the name and complacent reorders
>hk pody 90d is shit
how much is a pre ban mp5?
>I don't think that's a very good answer.
the advance of time doesn't magically lower the manpower requirements for setting up equipment, especially if it's a 60 year old design that has not been streamlined for 21st century manufacturing methods
this isn't even a thing specific to guns, there was this material used to make nuclear warheads in the 50s that the government needed more of to maintain the stockpile, and even though they knew what it was and how it was made, they basically did all of the r&d from scratch all over again in like 2000 because it was all based on tools and methods that were decades obsolete and the doccumentation didn't help much at all
>it's 1950
>the height of mass-production technology is stamping
>every industry that needs to mass produce parts has stamping equipment
>it's 1960
>along comes computer numerical control
>it's great, all the press brakes and stamping dies switch from manual to CNC
>it's 1970
>eventually somebody manages to make a CNC 3-axis mill that works pretty well
>"hmm, this would work great for that milled rifle Stoner came up with"
>it's 1980
>wow these AR-15s kick lots of ass
>everybody buys one
>all the gun manufacturers tool up to make them, selling their old equipment and buying CNC mills
>it's 2000
>nobody in industry really uses stamping equipment anymore except for specialty purposes
>why would you since a 3-axis can do more stuff, is faster, and is cheaper due to economy of scale?
>it's 2022
>a fricking moron on /k/ who doesn't know how anything works says an ancient deprecated submachine gun should be cheap because he says so
>"they're just stamped after all"
>
You sound like the same person who supports the NASA answer "we cant go to the moon anymore the technology is lost"
Nobody ever said that dumbass
because it is. the rockets were assembled by hand. we haven't trained people to do those jobs in almost fifty years, we've gone through multiple generations of robot manufacturing methods. it's not so much that some magic piece of information is lost, but all of the infrastructure for that technology doesn't exist anymore.
the technology to make early microprocessors and semiconductors has been lost, too. sure, we know how they did it, but to do it exactly like they did it would be expensive, shitty, and useless. that's why they just use modern fab methods, even for cheap shit.
im not defending nasa, they're charlatans, but don't be a moron
In what fricking universe do you live in that CNC milling parts is cheaper than stamping
Stamping is expensive to set up tooling for but once it’s set up it’s far far cheaper, faster and easier than CNC milling is for mass production
>In what fricking universe do you live in that CNC milling parts is cheaper than stamping
the one where china makes everything out of plastic and pot metal because they did the math
Because some of you are stupid enough to pay it instead of just learning how to use your handgun effectively.
>everything is about being as efficient as possible
>stop buying guns just because you like them! that's not how you become a proper right-wing insurgent!
you do know that's an nogunz teenager?
Because it's cool as heck
It's the 1911 of submachine guns.
>outdated
>sexy
>heritage
>outperformed
>sexy
>nostalgia
and you'll never own one
I get why people would pay for it. It's cool, still works, and has a classic vidya/movie vibe like a classic car. Why in the frick people are paying 3k for polymer blowback B@T subguns is fricking insane.
>stamping
I remember when stamped receivers were considered cheap third work junk, now you can get a Billet AR-10 for less than a stamped HK91 or SP5.
Stamping vs machining is like beer in cans vs bottles. It costs more to set up stamping/cans, but the unit cost is way lower when you make a lot of them, the alternative costs more per item, but costs a lot less to start up. Countries planning on building 1,000,000 guns use stamping because the savings on unit cost x1,000,000 make up for the difference in cost to start making them.
You think that's ridiculous, look at the Title II versions. They are going for $50k or more now. I remember seeing ads for full auto MP5 conversions in Shotgun News for $2000 back in the late 80's. Would love to have one, but am a poorgay and can only afford an $18,000 full auto Uzi.
>can only afford an $18,000 full auto Uzi
go for it, that price is gonna double in 10 yrs from now
more than double
Boomers love it.
If you've never fired one (I have) here's the catch: it's an overrated 1970s POS with worse ergonomics than an AR15.
I have no idea.
People love to hate on the G3, but when the design is shrunk down to 9mm they suddenly adore the design.
HKtards have the same logical consistency as women.
I love to love the G3. Wish we could buy them from Mexico too.
Their polymer mags are pretty cool. I just wish they were a bit more available otherwise I would have a bunch.
Same. Closest I've found domestically is this weird Defense Moulding Enterprises one but I can't even get it to fit in my gun. Either my magwell is out of spec in a strange way or I need to file the mag to fit, and either one is a scary prospect when I've only got the single example.
I find it hilarious too. One of the complaints you always, always hear about the G3 is that it has shit ergonomics and a bad manual of arms... but the gripframe with the trigger pack is literally identical and interchangeable between the G3 and MP5, and the manual of arms is exactly the same in every way between both.
>the manual of arms is exactly the same in every way between both
The placement of your hands and the strength required between the two is so different that its almost not even in the same realm. One requires effort, hand position, and strength to use and the other is basically right next to your hand and can be used with minimal strength and no special hand gestures.
>implying that a G3's charging handle is not basically right next to your hand
>implying that the force required to lock back a G3 bolt is significantly more than required to lock open an AR or pretty much any other self-loading rifle
>implying that a G3 requires "special hand gestures" in the form of the HK slap but the MP5's HK slap is just fine
>inb4 "but muh LRBHO", yeah well the MP5 doesn't have one of those either
>implying I meant HK slap and not actually pulling the charging handle back on the G3
You obvious do not own either one.
>implying that the force required to lock back a G3 bolt is significantly more than required to lock open an AR or pretty much any other self-loading rifle
Moving goalposts now? The G3 wienering handle actually requires force to use since its camming against the bolt carrier to unlock the rollers. The MP5 rollers can unlock just by the weight of the bolt carrier alone if you took the stock off. Which means using the MP5 charging handle requires very little hand dexterity or strength.
The weak shouldn't be using battle rifles, stick to 9mm son, it's more your speed
>You obvious do not own either one.
You are obviously projecting.
again, why do you think the support hand is not already right next to the CH?
>i-it's farther f-forwar-
Yes, and the G3 is also much more front-heavy so you grip it forward further to balance it and properly brace yourself for the recoil, meaning that the charging handle is right above your thumb... in precisely the same way as an MP5. That is the exact reason why HK put it there (technically also because of the longer cartridge requiring more bolt retraction, but the extension tube coming off the BCG that interacts with the CH could be substantially shorter and the charging mechanism set further back if desired. But they didn't. Because it's in the right spot. Which you would know if you had ever shot a G3/clone).
>Moving goalposts now?
what the frick are you on about, you were the one who said
>the strength required between the two is so different that its almost not even in the same realm
which is a ridiculous exaggeration because a G3, while requiring somewhat more force than an MP5 to wiener, doesn't need much more force than it takes to charge any other semi-auto rifle. It is not a super heavy pull unless you A) have a fricked-up wienering tube gap, or B) are extremely weak.
>The G3 wienering handle actually requires force to use since its camming against the bolt carrier to unlock the rollers
again, if this is the case the rifle is fricked up and you should take a feeler gauge to the wienering tube gap and bolt gap. The CH should offer little to no resistance when you extend it... exactly like the MP5.
>The MP5 rollers can unlock just by the weight of the bolt carrier alone if you took the stock off.
Do you even understand how RDB works? This is no less true for the G3 than the MP5. If you remove the buttplate and grip frame, and then thump the butt on the ground with the CH forward, the BCG will fall out just the same.
In conclusion, you are moronic, nogunz, and weak.
>A) have a fricked-up wienering tube gap
Bet you $3 he shot a century C308 and that was the problem. Wasn't unlocking the rollers with the lift
I'll see that $3 and raise you another $3 that he's never shot a gun before in his life.
I can understand the complaints since the G3 type charging handle is very far forward compared to the MP5
cheap guns is a public safety issue according to HK.
But wait, you're wrong.
Frick that, full size or nothing.
The full size were the same price
Where are you finding a full size for $1150
Three days ago, the AP5-CORE
Oh I thought it was a genuine HK.
AP-5 core on Atlantic firearms. It’s a Century Arms import made by some turk company who has licensed H&K machinery.
It’s not a HK
It's an MP5, made in turkey. They wanted MP5s for their police so they bought a factory from HK and HK set everything up for them with HK machines and tooling.
If your standard is simply "made by a german" you're SOL because everyone in Germany is a Turk or a Black person now anyway.
>It's an MP5, made in turkey.
And going by the pictures, it's made badly. At least it works, in another ten years when their tooling wears down, they'll be like POF and the others, making defunct MP5 """"""""""""clones"""""""""
They've been regularly maintaining the factory because these are actual military guns modified to semi auto and imported. They still use the MP5 so they keep up the factory.
The guns are fine, the weld you're talking about is a reinforcement weld for longevity under full auto use with 5.56.
POF's latest batch has improved QC but that still doesn't excuse the fact that they rely on Fedarm for parts and use dogshit finishes.
Turk MP5's are early style guns with slim handguards and contoured trigger packs.
Century is only operating as an importer here, not a manufacturer. The Turk MP-5's are made by MKE.
Century also imports part of the turkish Canik line of pistols - the P99 clones, but Canik actually has 80+ different models and a number of importers for their other lines like Tristar
If I’m going to get an MP5, I am going to get a HK SP5. Not some “just as good” made in turkey.
>If
>When
>I "will"
Come back when you actually iwn a fricking MP5 lmao, you don't even have a PTR piece of shit knockoff.
>you don't even have a PTR
17guns and counting. I'm being delayed right now. Building an AR, then selling another AR to get a nice AK. Honestly, before I'd buy a SP5, I'd rather get a Scar, I could use another .308 in my armory and don't have a use for a PCC. It'll be a while, just save this post then I'll come back to you in two years.
>being delayed
>building
>to get a
>I'd
>get a
>I could use
>It'll be a while
>I'll come back
post a single fricking gun you own, homosexual
Yes when.
That’s how it works, you save up to get the thing you want rather than getting second best.
>rather than getting second best.
Weird how you posted that second best version of the A1 or even the anniversary A1.
If you're willing to compromise (which you are), you might as well buy the Turk gun, that's made on HK tooling.
I wanted a Steyr AUG and I got one.
I wanted a Trijicon ACOG and I got one.
I wanted a Surefire QD suppressor and I got one.
I want a HK SP5 not some Turkish model, I will get a HK SP5.
What’s hard to grasp about this.
You got the sb2 didn't you?
No.
You wanted a pre-ban AUG, but you fell back to that shit when you didn't want to pay for it.
So you've convinced yourself that this shit is what you've wanted. Which it's not. Because it's lame.
>Nitrided barrel
>Never compromise
I can afford to buy an SP5 right now, I bought an MKE because $3k for an MP5 is moronic. I can buy an MKE and every accessory I want to actually use it for the same price.
this. I can’t justify buying an SP5 when I can but like 3 other nice ass guns for that price. Just not worth it.
ooh thats nice
Probably north of 15 pounds though
HK prices itself out of the market in long guns.
>New SL8 costs almost as much as a Tommybuilt
>SP5 and SP5k totally uncompetitive in a market where 2 HK licensed manufacturers are importing, as well as some US wackos with the Portuguese G3 assembly line
>416 and 417 uppers rival top tier complete AR's in price available in both DI and piston
>no USC Pistol
.No HK433
>No MP7 pistol
>no MP7 pistol
The fact no one (keltec) has made a clone in .17 wsm disappoints me.
Coincidentally I used an AUG for a nightshoot over the weekend and reconfirmed my disdain for shooting it suppressed and how absolutely AIDS the charging handle is if you have FRICKING ANYTHING hanging even just a bit over the left sight of the optic rail. Like a PEQ. I can't wait to buy one for myself and shit on it constantly.
Their continued run-ins with issues while shooting suppressed is what really gave me pause in going PTR when I was in the market. I've got a buddy who has one that runs fine with a can, but everytime I see someone having can-induced roller bulges or feeding issues with an MP5, it's a PTR.
Well there's always the Navy ambis, but that requires getting a new housing and a new trigger pack...
Aren't you supposed to be an old man?
>Well there's always the Navy ambis, but that requires getting a new housing and a new trigger pack...
welp i don't see the parts in stock to build a navy lower except F/A trigger packs and a couple complete 0,1 fbi lowers for over 600
i'll admit i'm new to these guns though
Yeah I'm looking through the usual vendors (Gatewood, RTG, HKParts) and pickings are pretty sparse right now. I'd just buy a regular SEF lever and stick it out until product comes back in stock. Keep an eye out.
Does the Mahpul lower require navy packs?
according to picrel no, it requires sef hardware
Wait, does that mean the magpul safety drops into SEF grip housings with the finger groves and thumb shelf?
Yes.
REEEEEE NO YOU NEED TO PAY 280% MORE FOR GERMAN OVERREGULATION
>Truk roach shit
H
&
K
Or Nothing. Get a better PCC over an H&K copy. It disgusts me when poors posts chinese and turkish knock offs. If I'm going to spend any money all, it'll be on an authentic gun.
>knock offs
HK sold them the fricking specs and machinery, moron. PTR's MP5 is a knock off, the MKE guns are clones.
>are clones.
Show me the H&K roll marks and attention to detail. Show me their catalogued serial in the H&K factory.
Not to mention PTR doesn't even use HK spec stamping dies.
And the H&K SP5 uses civ limited parts and a gimped mag release pivot while the MKE is make from machine guns tgat they modify to semi auto and then super pinky promise the ATF were totally never F/A capable.
They aren't even clones, MKE are literally contract guns that HK set up for the turks. Clones are the US garage builders. Only HK level autists care about these things. It's not like AKs where the soviets gave the technical data package to satellite states and all of those productions are considered true AKs. HK gays are the worst.
Yeah MKE are make in a fricking HK built factory lmao.
Re-read my post you illiterate frick. HK sent them the tooling and advisors to teach turks to run the machinery. They are contract guns.
You should probably look up the definition of clone and knock off before you type shit that makes you out to be a moron.
This is what pisses me off. Clones, copies. Do you think people buy the clones and copies because they need a PCC? No, they buy it cause of the legend, the gun featured in movies and tv. The gun that made history. Fricking clones? If people didn't care, Gucci and Prada bags would be cheap. If people didn't care, they'd make Hondas civics that look like Ferrari and Lambos. If people didn' care, they wouldn't spend that money, but they fricking DO care, you homosexual.
Look at the resale value of a genuine H&K MP5 versus the clones. It matters, and you're moronic to suggest other wise.
You're not buying a real mp5 and the sp5 is a cope at best and you're paying for the roll mark on a stamped piece of sheet metal. That's it. I don't buy my guns to sit in a safe like a homosexual so I can sell for a few hundred more dollars. I shoot them.
>the sp5 is a cope at best
I'm okay with that. You're coping too by buying a clone/copy/knock off. I won't be ashamed to show off my purchase when I get it.
>so I can sell for a few hundred more dollars
Well, if that turk gun is any indication, no one would rush to buy what you're selling. Cheap guns don't hold value.
>doesn't even own an AR
It'll be my 3rd AR once finished, then I'll sell my other one and buy a WBP Fox. I've seen them in person at my LGS and feel like they are worth upgrading over my Pioneer AK.
>Cheap guns don't hold value.
MKE were $3k+ a couple years ago lmao
>MKE were $3k+ a couple years ago lmao
They dropped in price a fair bit, mostly because since then, H&K SP5 have been in better supply. SP5 for a good year, almost hit $5k during the scamdemic.
>H&K SP5 have been in better supply.
than what? WA200’s?
>They dropped in price a fair bit, mostly because since then, H&K SP5 have been in better supply.
They've barely been in better supply, SP5K-PDW's are still nowhere to be seen for MSRP.
The reason AP5's are dirt cheap right now is because the purchasing power of the Turkish Lira is in the shitter at the moment.
>I won't be ashamed to show off my purchase when I get it.
You should, single-pin housings are the definition of shame.
>cheap guns don't hold value
This is cope
>what is surp
>what are saigas and veprs
oh gee, I guess I'll have sell my mosin for less than the $100 I bought it for 7 years ago. I'll put the money towards a K31 which are totally still $300 and not 3x that price. Last I heard spas 12s were still under $900 too right?
Nailed the problem with his statement. Cheap guns (that are cool/imports) will absolutely go up in price if they are ever turned off or become less available
The only clone that actually says mp5 on it is the paki POF kek
Guess what, people buy Gucci and Prada because it’s literally just a status symbol. Practically speaking, you could reuse walmart bags to accomplish what those bags do.
Machined firearms built on the same license? One is just expensive because of tariffs and worker salaries. Kind of like how a shitty Harley Davidsons cost 3x a Honda that will last 20 years longer.
>Practically speaking, you could reuse walmart bags to accomplish what those bags do.
Or you could just buy a decent bag that's not overhyped but still looks nice and is probably more durable, yeah.
Rollmark chasing is the hallmark of feminine behavior, prevalent in gays and Black folk.
also a solid comparison. I can’t find a bad review or negative statement of any MP5 clones aside from the PTR anywhere on the internet. Even with the POF i’ve only seen one person say they needed to send there’s back
PTR make trash in general. They use a lot of shortcuts in their production and the MP5's don't even have sling swivels.
>RMA's in 30moa groups
>Look at the resale value
yeah that's why I own guns, so I can see how much money I make when I sell them.
>He doesn't realize that the PTR and MKE MP5 reproductions are closer in spec to the real production MP5 than the travesty HK released in the SP5
You should probably do a little homework, rustled anon. The SP5 is less of an MP5 than shit being pushed out by other companies. A roll mark doesn't tell the story.
Post your SP5's pivot pin hole
Don't have an SP5, building an AR at the moment.
>That welding job
I'm not even impressed or jelly.
>doesn't own any of the stuff we're talking about
>doesn't even own an AR
Wow, I'm shocked, truly.
>building an AR at the moment.
>building
You’re wasting your time on the poors
My brother in christ the SP5 is l i t e r a l l y the least to-spec MP5 offering on the market...it's reserved for people chasing rollmarks or constantly selling their shit off
>the least to-spec MP5 offering on the market
I'd still say that's PTR courtesy of the welded rail. I'm still not sure why they don't have an offering without it, they did just that with the PTR-91.
That said the SP5's factory configuration is absolutely comical considering what they ask for it. Imagine dropping $3k for something that requires you to mill a shelf, buy a new housing, swap out a rearsight and spray over some homosexual safety warning bullshit just to get it looking as authentic as a $1100 clone offering.
Aftermarket bullshit is the problem, just get a regularass SEF safety and call it a day.
H&K ambi sling pin, let's me hook on the rear of my sling and keep it from sliding around like with the stock-mounted loop. I put a small o-ring on the screw it to make it lock up tight.
>let's me hook on the rear of my sling and keep it from sliding around like with the stock-mounted loop.
Fricking genius.
>I'd still say that's PTR courtesy of the welded rail. I'm still not sure why they don't have an offering without it, they did just that with the PTR-91.
Welded rail, no forward sling loop, but they have the magwell clasp, it's a fricking shit show.
The 'classic' line will delete the rail but I'll bet money they have problems with claw mounts not fitting because their receivers are out of spec. That's why they weld the rails in the first place.
I'll give you the SP5k, that one has been neutered to hell, but what's out of spec about the SP5 except the shelf?
>Imagine dropping $3k for something that requires you to mill a shelf, buy a new housing, swap out a rearsight and spray over some homosexual safety warning bullshit
Rearsight? Warning? Are US SP5s different than yuropoor ones?
t. Czech
(you know which one)
>Are US SP5s different than yuropoor ones?
Yes, actually. The euro ones are like $7k here when a couple sneak in.
Wew, what the frick were they thinking...
Sasuga, HK USA.
>that pussy CYA shit on the magwell
>people are clamoring for a new HK-made semi MP5 for decades after the initial HK94
>HK knows these people are willing to shell out moronic sums of money for authenticity
>go out of your way to change a bunch of stuff on the SP5 to make it less authentic, even though you have absolutely no shortage of original parts
Something tells me they took the memes about hating civilians a little bit personally.
It's import/export law bullshit, but how MKE is able to circumvent all that and get away with just having a half-assed shelf casually shoved into the receiver to stop FA bolt groups from being used, I don't know.
>Rearsight? Warning? Are US SP5s different than yuropoor ones?
Well they're sure as shit different from the real deal.
Lol man I bought one of these 2 days before they dropped the price like $400.
Feels bad man.
Don't beat yourself up, you got the one with extra mags and shit right? These didn't come with any accessories.
Also, I ordered two from different stores and both orders got canceled for lack of supply. I'm pretty sure the CORE line was a power play on PTR to kill their "classic" models in the crib.
I shot a full auto one yesterday 😀
IT LIVES UP TO THE HYPE BROTHERS
Where and how much?
Is the binary trigger for the MP5 worth it?
I prefer the non-binary option.
Sig rattler you mean?
If it were $300 like an AR binary trigger, sure
but they go for like $700 last time I looked
it sure does incentivize one to just buy the FA bolt carrier and a 4-position trigger pack for literally half the cost of the binary.
I think you mean SEF pack. No way are you buying a German 4 positon ambi pack for less than a binary trigger in todays market.
you were right that prices have gone up but observe:
https://www.armsunlimited.com/Heckler-Koch-MP5-Complete-4-Position-Burst-Trigger-p/hk-214081.htm
>$550
vs.
https://franklinarmory.com/franklin-armory-bfsiii-hk-c1-for-hk-91-93-mp5/
>$700
so it's not going to be half the price, it's just going to be exactly the same after you get the BCG
hypothetically, anyway
List Price: $819.00
>Stock Status:(Out of Stock)
>so it's not going to be half the price, it's just going to be exactly the same after you get the BCG
>hypothetically, anyway
Except one will get you locked up and the other is legal (until the ATF changes their mind).
look if you're operating under the assumption that they're only tenuously considering it legal you should really just assume it isn't. it's like wearing a mask, following the rules is legitimately more hassle and potential risk than just breaking them
its like braces on pistols - before they announced the point system i was complying. afterwords i just decided to buy an ACR stock and frick the ATF because complying just draws attention to yourself
>just buy a full auto trigger pack online with your credit card and home address, it's cheaper bro
Not illegal. The same as getting full auto parts in a surplus parts kit. It still requires receiver modification to install
Yeah mine's really fun and two round burst is surprisingly practical
just stick it in a proper SF/SE/FA marked lower though
Hello this is hkgay, yes they are worth it, get a full sized and get a B&t handguard for it
is that an hk45 fullsize on the right or p30? Psh not even a hk45ct chosen by NAVY SEALS. what are you poor?
45 full size, seals are gay, you are gay, but I love you regardless. gayboi
Any tall mounts frick my shit up because I am ultra manlet with tiny hands but a huge fukken head. Like a lightbulb with arms. I like the holosun square hot dogs, no mounts, frick mounts. Frick aim point too. It’s all chinesium, or japanesium, holosun is just honest dude.
Yeah holosun is fine. This is an ultra low mount I'm talking about not a tall mount.
Because U just jelly, f'real
>vfg on the launcher
Is that comfortable? Looks like it'd be awkward to use the rifle like that
Universal F stocks are like circumcised dicks.
>60 year old design
>still costs $2000+
>why?
The way every HK gun works is they are extremely expensive to set up tooling and require competent workers but once it's set up they can churn them out like crazy. This works well for government contracts but in the civilian world the costs don't work out as well, people like PTR or Century had to charge a shit load for earlier guns to cover start up costs while still not offering a decent gun.
HK overcharges because they can, the name alone is half the price of the gun. But the cost to make a roller delayed gun is dirt cheap, so the markup on them is more than probably any other gun, they are basically one step above simple blowback.
Because the average potbelly or puveface zealot will continue to buy one for $2000+. Whereas I can go down to my local pawn shop and buy a used AR for half the price.
Luv my century ap5. Simple as.
Demand. People want them. That's it.
Half the price of HK guns is paying the HK tax, and while they aren’t nearly as bad as Colt they still rely a frickton on what they made in the past to stay relevant today.
t. want a USP
i just got mine for $1,200
Lmao people in here flouting fricking Century Arms and turkroach shit. Century will DEFINITELY get it right I mean look how many times they learned from getting it wrong on Cetmes, the inch and metric frankenFALs, C308s(that they eventually had to get recievers from PTR), the RAS47s, the C39Vs, the VSKAs, the 5.45 M74s with 5.56 barrels slapped in and fricked headspace, the incorrectly cut doublestack magwells they cut out on singlestack WASRs back in the day. There's more I'm forgetting. If you trust century arms to not sell you a pile of shit then you're a Black person. A double Black person even.
Century is just the importer, not the manufacturer
Not a lot of sp5s being posted ITT ahhh
Century does not make, modify, or alter the MKE imports in any way but putting their import engraving on with a laser.
>All the shit posting
If they were real H&K, everyone would be on their knees doing the fish talk. Just sayin'.
The people shitposting are just trolls, if every MP5 in the thread was an SP5 they'd be mocking spending so much on a stamped steel gun without full auto.
None of them own any of these guns, they're just starting shit because they have no lives.
Because you'll buy it anyway
All of these guns besides the nugget are gay. You don't even have the right muzzle device on the AK
>You don't even have the right muzzle device on the AK
Regular muzzle device sucks, I like the look of the flash hider. Anyone, that's a $500 pioneer AK, that I put work on. Changed the stock set to wood, hand polished the trigger and bolt assembly. Still going to sell it with my BCM and get that WBP fox.
>Buys a wall of garbage and calls it a "collection"
>Playing homie rich spending 3x the $$ on a rollmark, oh wait, "talking about" doing that, clearly can't even afford a PTR
>timestamp: 404
somebody (who isn't you) has a decent collection
Since 2020 I have added an FAL, a BCM, a Ruger 10/22 and did some more work customizing my firearms. I'm not rich and have never claimed to be.
Timestamps bro, use them.
> just what was already out of cases in the basement
Please ignore me, I only posted my stuff cause I was being called noguns, the biggest insult on the board.... next to buying clones/copies/knock off.
You own at least four knockoffs though.
Yeah. AKM are knock offs of the AK47. My M16a1 clone isn't a real Colt. What else?
Your CZ knockoff, your 1911 clone, and your FAL knockoff.
>CZ knockoff
That's my space cowboy blaster. I'll take the heat and defend my greatest ally.
>FAL knockoff.
That wasn't included in the picture, but my FAL was built on a original surplus metric kit, with a new CHF CL FN barrel in 2010; I followed the DSA serial back in time.
Congratulations, it's even worse than a knockoff, it's a kit bash by a company that couldn't even build in spec guns.
My FAL is a pre-ban Argentine so by the moronic rules of this thread I can judge the shit out of you.
>by the moronic rules of this thread I can judge the shit out of you.
Judge away.
ok
Im thinking about a jericho 941 but i already have a cz, is it worth it
>Im thinking about a jericho 941 but i already have a cz, is it worth it
Which CZ model do you have? Depending on your answer, yes. If you have a newer CZ then no, the Jericho isn't very different to consider worth it and the Space Cowboy specials type R go for over $800. Most have the safe on frame, not slide and that's one key difference.
i picked up a baby eagle iii for $450 which is just a magnum research jericho and i have zero regrets. they're just cz-75s with a different shape. if that's worth buying a gun over then yeah its worth it. the weight distribution does make a difference though
GUILTY
>shitting on people who own clones
>while also coping over the clones he owns
Keep moving the goalposts, homosexual.
See
baller collection
is that hk33 a zenith?
Yeah, it's a z43p
nice
been eyeing up a C93 kit
btw what grip was that on the AR?
Any particular reason you're using the clamp mount when you already have a welded rail, or is it just for the aesthetic.
Also god the clear mags look good on 33s
I am incredibly confused by what you think you're seeing there. That's not a claw mount or a welded rail.
Ergo grip, it's not for everyone
I... uh... may be moronic. For some reason it looked like a couple slots of rail were poking out from under the mount, and colloquially I just call any of the various HK non-rail mounts for the G3/33/Mp5 "claw mounts" because of how they engage with the reciever.
>Also god the clear mags look good on 33s
Easily the best looking mags, agreed. Too bad the 308 ones are $500
Totally fair lol, I think it's the ELCAN ARMS mounts throwing you off to be honest.
oh, and I think the HK93 parts kits are ludicrusly overpriced, especially since Century might import more MKE's
Yea the clear G3 Mags are Turkish contract only iirc? I mean considering you can still buy infinite HK G3 Mags for 8 bucks it boggles the mind why someone would spend stacks on the contract mags...
That said they look awesome.
Uh also MP5s are cool look we're on topic.
I've been hoping to see MKE bring these back with Century Importing them now.
5.56 HK roller-locks are far and few between unless you want to get an iffy-kit build or spend a ludicrous amount of money on a pre-ban HK93.
Would be really nice if they would import an HK53 clone as well.
They were never popular, contract or civilian sales. Which is unfortunate because they're truly incredible to shoot. Full auto 33's look like someone shooting a 9mm.
Seriously though, frick the MKE clear mags are hot.
>the 5.56 mags have fricking anti-aircraft sighting marks on them gor shooting diwn helicopters and fricking jets too
>the 5.56 mags have fricking anti-aircraft sighting marks on them gor shooting diwn helicopters and fricking jets too
Seriously, look at this shit
I emailed MKE once and asked how this shit is supposed to work and they told me they don't really know but if I shoot anything down with it to call them back and tell them.
neat
when will psa make the mp5 clone already
They said it was way too expensive to set up and canceled it.
frick
It's for the best, those guns were going to fricking suck.
Post more MP5 you homosexuals
Because this is a 5.56 gun not a 9mm and it's a reinforcement weld.
Late model legit HK33 had them too but it's always under the wide handguard so you don't notice.
Here, the AR mag HK556, you can see it
Thats a G41 bruh
Yes, the G41, the "AR mag HK 5.56"
That's what I said.
>post yfw when you realize the turks have the tooling for G41 production and have produced several thousand examples
I looked at it again about 2 minutes later and realized that it wasn't 9mm so I deleted it. I didn't know Zenith got any of MKE's other guns into the country before they fricked themselves into oblivion.
>U mad bro
I could understand it when it was still the king of 9mm SMGs, but there's a better option now.
>[FTEs internally]
The F stock is so stupid, unnecessary length.
What if I enjoy shooting suppressed and not having my piece completely shit the bed after a couple rounds?
That's how Germans do it anon
>Make a great and reliable weapon
>downside is cost to buy and maintain is fricking expensive
Americans pay a cartel price for many things.
whenever there are import restrictions, recognize that this means you're dealing with a national cartel.
You pay twice what the rest of the world does for ammo, I could send you a shipping container of ammo tomorow at a third less than you normally pay.
You pay a shit load for cheap automatic weapons, 30K for something worth $500 in international markets.
Your government gets half the money, the national cartel gets the other half
you would think the strong US dollar would mean you could buy dirt cheap guns from places like the Czech republic- well I can but you can't :^)
Eat shit ameritards
Post your gun collection with a time stamp. This should be good.
why are all czechs like this
truly the most mediocre country of europe
mid guns
mid beer
mid b***hes
only flex is that they can buy an SKS for 200 less than here
Sad!
Many such cases
It's a lifestyle brand. Like fancy
I don't know. It's super gay. I'd buy one if they were like $900. I don't think the are worth more than that.
They're importing the MKE's for under $1200 now.
it's the best submachinegun ever made. Also, my PTR was like $1600.
>buy mke
>safety breaks almost immediately
>replace with
https://hkparts.net/product/enhanced-ambi-selector-set-contoured-sef-p18257.htm/
>can't pull the trigger on position one like it's still on safe
>put old safety in, works fine
did i buy the wrong safety or what do?
it doesn't seem like something you can even install incorrectly
>He bought an HKParts new manufactured part
Oh you sweet, dumb, fool. Never buy their in house manufactured parts, they're ass.
The hell is going on with that rear pin? You have my benis in a quandary.
>Never buy their in house manufactured parts, they're ass.
well that's a bummer. i was a little surprised there were chopped phillips screws holding the levers on though...
any ambi safeties that don't suck? magpul? since the original one broke i figured i'd get one i can actually use comfortably
Some of their parts will actually damage your gun, it's fricking ridiculous.
I don't know if the magpul safety works with SEF housings.
Because it's shockingly good. Pic related was my first time shooting a full auto one and you can see how controllable it was.
Accuracy was surprising as well. We took offhand semi shots at greater range and they went right were we wanted right away.
Everything is controllable when you weigh 300 lbs.
It's machine gun
Ho ho ho
Mentally ill 90's kids
You have no fricking idea
80s* kids you mean
mentally ill 90s kids want the P90
So in summary, the MKE versions are the best ones to get? Thanks /k/
at the current price tag of $1200. Yes.
Yes. Shot mine for the first time over the weekend and it was lights out. 115gr/124/147. Anything. May pick up a k model too at these prices. I bought a 3lug adaptor, supressor, a3f stock, and ammo and am still under what a sp5 would cost
HK: "Do you want a MP5?"
Cops: "YES!"
HK: "Give us $2,000 then."
Cops: "$2,000? Here's $4,000 of taxpayer's money!"
HK: "Do you want a MP5?"
Civ: "YES!"
HK: "No, FRICK YOU!"
>spits in face
HK: "Haha, just kidding, give us $2,000."
Civ: "OMG TAKE MY MONEY!"
HK: "Thanks."
HK: "Btw, frick your mother"
Try $3200 for an sp5. HK is a joke
Amazing guns.
Genuinely and actually moronic company.
I let them frick my mom regularly and occasionally I join, it’s a richgay incest orgy, frfr no cap
Nice guns HKgay
Any anons use the botach ultra low mount? I think I'm gonna give it a shot with my t2. I want an absolute cowitness, looks like b&t mount will only go lower 1/3
>AP5 has shiped and will be in Thursday
costs $2000+
>why?
No volume savings, because everyone wants ARs now(and for good reason)
>These just sold out 5 minutes ago
MP5s are $1100 guns now boys. Feels good.
https://www.familyfirearms.com/product/cent-ap5-9mm-9-30rd-1?test
Not meming
Why wouldn’t you just print an MP5 instead of buying one for $2,000
Because they're $1100, not $2k. Because a 3d printed one is the same price. And because that is the ugliest piece of shit I have ever seen.
Also the MP5 doesn't shear in half if you drop it.
This specific one is pretty ugly, but just print a solid black one
It also uses AR triggers, is 2lbs lighter, and under $1k
>Because they’re $1100
*$1170 + shipping + FFL transfer + accessories/etc.
I'll pay the extra $50 for an actual steel MP5 that's going to last decades of serious use and hold accuracy and reliability throughout. But you do you man, it's certainly an option for ban states and felons.
You keep downplaying how expensive everything HK related is. I’m not saying that MP5 clones are bad, or even that a $1200 price tag is bad, but with all the benefits from 3D printing, why don’t you just make your own for much less?
>why don’t you just make your own for much less?
Price out that 3d printed gun for me. I am genuinely curious how much it's saving you in exchange for having a toy instead of a gun.
>How expensive everything HK is
Elaborate
>https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2022/03/09/kleiner-freund-mp5-kf5/amp/
>Elaborate
Are you serious Black person?
>You can probably
>About
>Lol but MP5s are $1800
>Like $600 dude
Yeah, no, I'm building an MP5 right now and I know for a fact this is bullshit.
Price out the build you fricking homosexual. Give me a number, I want you to see how fricking moronic you are.
People are building them for less than $1,000. With MP5 part kits and filament cost. Idk how I can be more clear. Look up printshootrepeat or ivanthetroll (the designer) and they give rundowns on cost and the work that it takes to put these together
$999 is "less than $1000"
How much do these cost to complete.
I'll give you a hint, it's more than $600.
>Parts kits
MP5 parts kits are $1600 MINIMUM. Only a moron would yse one for this, they're buying new manufactured parts from RCM, RTG, and HKparts.
Again, why would I use this dofshit when I could pay $1100 for a real MP5 made in a real factory that really holds zero and survives use.
Even at $1000 it’s still cheaper than any MP5 clone could ever get. I don’t think you understand.
Mp5 clone at its cheapest:
>$1170 for gun + tax potentially
>$20 for shipping and $20 for FFL transfer
>$75 for claw mount
>$150-300 for brace setup
>$40 x however many more mags you want since yours only comes with 1
Or just print everything plus brace/mags for $1000 max. $1200 is a great deal for an MP5 clone, but you’re moronic if you can’t see the value in just printing one
>Or just print everything plus brace/mags for $1000 max.
I love how you keep throwing these numbers around and still haven't priced this shit, not even one part.
>Print MP5 mags
Pack it up boys, he's a fricking moron.
>$1170 for gun + tax potentially
$1070
>$20 for shipping and $20 for FFL transfer
Oh noooooo, two boxes of 9mm
>$75 for claw mount
$5, let's be fair, a UTG will hold zero better than your plastic receiver integrated rail
>$150-300 for brace setup
I thought you could just print these, do you think I didn't own a printer?
>$40 x however many more mags you want since yours only comes with 1
That you will have to buy as well, so it's a moot point
>Are you serious Black person?
It's all pretty in-line with AR15's except for magazines which you need to buy for this 3d printed gun anyway.
Why even do a 3d printed one if you're not going to make it take MPX mags or something and actually reduce the cost of ownership
>AR-15 trigger group
That thing is fricking repulsive. Why not just use an AR
I've made the 3d printed one. Its really fricking cool.
I have an ap5 coming this friday
How much did it cost you
The printed MP5? The parts kit was like $900 dollars. Its hard to approx the cost of the printed parts but its easily all under $50.
The AP5 was like $1200 I believe.
So for a whole $150 less than an MKE you can have... a nerf gun.
Stunning, and brave.
Printgays have lost the plot at this point
>$900 in parts
>$50 in filament assuming your printer doesn't take three tries
>$20 in hardware and glue
>$40 magazine
>$300 printer
But guys, guys, $1100 for an MKE MP5 is ridiculous
Why in the name of fricking Christ would you think anyone who would want an MP5 would be satisfied with that absolute abortion?
I want a UMP
>printer goes brrrrrrrrrr
>some neckbeard with a $100 Chinese printer is going to melt some Mega Blocks plastic in to a functioning firearm
No thanks, I like my fingers being attached
People are 3D printing functional CETMEs
The future is now old man
>US import laws and German Export laws
>HK does not want to bring over the tooling to the US
the usual
I see there a lot of replies already, but without reading them, I would guess that because H&K already sells so many to militaries and police departments around the world, the US civilian market is small potatoes to them
It's practically the face of counterterrorism.
Scarcity, Scarcity and Scarcity. Too damn scarce. OH and The FOPA of 1986....
Friendly reminder the Magpul MP5 stock, brace, drum, ESK, and lower half exist because Palmetto was going to do an sub $1000 MP5 clone with Fedarm/POF assistance that hopefully is shelved forever now, in perpetuity, forever.
If the AP5 remains under $1500 then PSA might as well not even bother making their vaporware into a reality.
I'm counting on it tbh, we dont need PSA's bullshit thrown into the mix they should stay in their AR/AK lane. Kinda sad that PTR can't compete with the turks but imo they've been fricking up pretty hard and no regrets with my AP5 - they should have made an HK33 and HK53 - it's a much easier process to do with G3 tooling - now they're stuck. Either adapt or die, time to pump out 10mm MP5's
Because it's fricking sick
cause it looks so fricking good anon
Market perception is the real answer. A G3 cost less despite having the same over all design just in 7.62
A PTR91 or CETME (C308) does because they're hack jobs made to out of spec assembly to reduce costs.
>MKE AP5 price drops to $1200
>Barely a week goes by and Zenith already announces a $500 rebate on their new $2500 U.S. made clones that have barely been out.
>Still ~$800 more than the MKE
lmao, what the frick was Zenith thinking?
They, just like OP, thought people were paying $3500 for an MP5.
They didn't realize people were paying $1k for sn MP5 and $2500 to say theirs was an H&K MP5.
Zenith's price was utterly buttfricking moronic. They're not HK.
Which is double hilarious because the only MP5 on the american market that's under $1500 is a 2-pin legit MP5 from a legit HK tooled factory.
PTR and Zenith are dead in the water.
I wouldn't say PTR is dead, they have a reputation for good customer service and their guns are ready for an auto sear. They're also competitively priced against everything but the new AP5 core SKU. They'll continue as the US-made option. Zenith OTOH.....they gon learn.
>2000+
Nope
https://topshotusa.com/product-search-results?search_text=ap5
>not a single HK.
What is this peasantry.
Post your HK
They're HKs made under loicense. It's like saying that only Colt makes real AR-15s.
>Seething poorgay
Enjoy your RMA in 500 rounds
moot point seeing as I could buy three turkshit MP5s for the same price as one german MP5 (also made by turks)
>I can buy three pieces of shit that fail after 500 rounds instead of one real MP5
>This means I win
>pieces of shit that fail after 500 rounds
Any proof of this, or are you just butthurt that you overpaid for a rollmark?
Newest Mr Gunsngear vid.
>600 rounds in
>bad extractor spring causes FTE's
>CA sends him 3 spares
>works fine now
And it's literally nothing.
Extractor springs going bad on MP5's isn't unheard of at all,
shit there's several threads I've seen of virtually new SP5/SP5k's having FTE issues because of bad extractor springs.
The part is so fragile that HK recommends disposing of it and installing a brand new one if it is ever removed because it can get bent out of shape so easily.
Oh wow the notoriously fragile extractor spring that has been present since day one of the MP5's introduction broke, RIP.
For real tho, just change it out or, better yet, throw in a steel G3 extractor spring and stop thinking about it. After my factory spring went out after like 5k rounds I went that route
>he didn't read the thread about the biggest rental range in Los Vegas having legit MP5 extractor springs fail around 500 rounds all the time
>literally buys clones and Moore Advanced Dynamics bolt heads because its cheaper in the end
The only advantage a real MP5 had was the barrel life. I do not recall exact numbers but its was something like HK barrels had twice or a 1/3 a longer use life (for a FA rental range) than the clones.
So in other words a semi only version will have no real difference in lifespan
>$3000 9mm has a part that's so shit it's just "normal" to have break on a brand new gun.
H&K everyone!
he is a complete gay ala baby boop and zenshitco
but let him express himself
i'm sure he won't turn out to be a nazi or something annoying
So is MKE gtg? Want to get an mpk to flesh out my collection with a PCC.
They're great, legit military MP5s from a NATO factory built on HK tooling. And they're 1/3 cheaper than even PTR right now.
Beautiful model (81?) By the way. I had a .35 model 8 and I sold it like a damn fool.
Where are people in the thread finding $1600 MP5 parts kit? I've been looking and the cheapest I can find is $2200. Not worth it over the AP5 or the HK SP5.
>Have 4 clones guns
>People make fun of me of when I show them
>If I buy an AP5 that'll be 5 clone guns
Damned if I do, damned if I don't. Looks like the only winning move, is not to play.
Mockery from someone who dropped $3000 on something that's less authentic than the real deal and even your own clone would feel pretty hollow tbh
Yeah I'll call out justasgood coping whenever and wherever but the AP5 v. SP5 is really a special case where the significantly cheaper clone has a shitload more practical sense going for it over the actual name brand product
It's not even correct to call it a clone. They're MP5s made under loicense. Only PTR could be called a "clone" since I think they were actually reverse-engineered.
Nah frick those gays, I love my Ap5. Buy with confidence and ignore the HK losers.
If I wanna make a MP5SD out of a SP5, is it simple parts swap? I don't have any SP5s but plan on obtaining two in the future but want to know how2
I'm assuming obtaining a full auto capable one is gay asf and a bunch of legal bullshit
>is it simple parts swap?
Everything from the trunnion forward is completely different.
Turks make a semi MP5SD but I don't think anyone imports it into the US for obvious reasons.
You'd need to build one from scratch, or sacrifice a clone to heavily modify it.
well frick my life, thanks for that; guess I'll do summat different then