6.5 Creedmore

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sneedmoor.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Formerly Chuckmoor

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Guess its just that quiet

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    ur nut gonna believ this

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The parent cartridge for the whole Creedmoor family of calibers is .30 TC. It offered slightly better performance than .308 but never caught on because it was moronic.
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.30_Thompson_Center

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > It offered slightly better performance than .308

        I know it does this, but I can’t figure out why. You get from 308 to 30TC by cutting the case down and reducing the powder charge (pressure is the same), and somehow this translates to increased velocity? What magic is afoot here?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >and somehow this translates to increased velocity? What magic is afoot here?
          None, it's untrue, you get less velocity and the cartridge was a massive failure. It makes no sense because it's bullshit.

          I know Wikipedia says otherwise, but Wikipedia also says that the 30-03 is the parent cartridge to the 30-06.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            U wot m8? 30TC gets identical velocities to 308win. Where 30tc has an edge over 308 is loading the super long and heavy stuff in magazines, such as ar10s.
            Outside of that its the same.

            >mossy oak chink with an earring
            lmao

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >U wot m8? 30TC gets identical velocities to 308win.
              No it doesn't, it gets less, because it has less case capacity and less powder. If you read the Hornady reloading manual which this fricking bullshit comes out of, they list a 22" barrel for the 308 data, and a 26" barrel for the 30tc data.
              Hornady is absolutely full of shit. They do this with everything they touch.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >If you read the Hornady reloading manual which this fricking bullshit comes out of, they list a 22" barrel for the 308 data, and a 26" barrel for the 30tc data.
                This. How I fricking hate barrel length frickery to fudge velocity numbers. That's even worse since it's right from the horse's butthole, but it comes up casually in other areas as well. Like with 5.7 everyone pushing it for handguns always quotes the 10.4" and 16" barrel velocity numbers. It's all so tiresome.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Okay
                Nosler has 308 168gr loads and 30tc 168 gr loads, pretty identitical numbers, both running 24in barrels
                Hodgdon has 30tc loads and 308 both at 168gr running identicaal numbers out of a 24in barrel
                You can keep going with different sources out of the same barrel length and they are all gonna be identical or similar. The whole case capicity difference between the 30tc and 308 is 2 h2o gr. 30tc is just another one in line of 243win vs 6 creedmoor and 260rem vs 6.5 creedmoor. Aka all the tc variants produce similar results in a slightly smaller package compared to the 308 variants, therefore are superior for things such as ar10s

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >Aka all the tc variants produce similar results in a slightly smaller package compared to the 308 variants, therefore are superior for things such as ar10s
                No, the 308 variants are superior for AR10's and all autoloaders which use SR25 or AIAW mags because the mags and feed lips are shaped for the .308 case taper. Same reason why 7mm-08 works better than .284win in AR10s.
                6.5sneed was made for PRS...in which it gets bent over and raped by 6mms which do exactly the same thing to it which it does to 308.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Forgot to add, they literally needed to make a cope-league for Sneeders who got Chucked in PRS; the NRL hunter "open light" division.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's got steeper shoulder angle which provides a more consistent powder burn in the case, which is the same idea as the Ackley improved cartridges and may or may not make an appreciable difference.

          The bigger difference is more space for the bullet ogive ahead of the shorter case within the standard overall length, which allows you to use longer, lower drag bullets with a better form factor and/or increase the bullet weight. It's one thing that separates the 30-06 from the .308 Win and is the key to success of the 6.5 Grendel.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        what the frick

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I really don't see what capability the 6.5mm Creedmore provides that the .260 Remington could not have done years earlier. I guess Remington was just moronic at selling their caliber to potential users.

      What is the point of this? Can't you just buy better .308 or 7.62mm NATO ammo and achieve the same thing?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        anon, I think you should re examine the meme and have a good long think about it before replying

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        The capability Sneedmore offers is that you can buy precision factory ammo from freshly built production lines, rather than 'hunting premium' .260 stuff made on ancient dies and machinery. Its literally that simple.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >could not have done
        The point is it didn't. You sound like the kind of gay to say shit like:
        >8mm kurz came before 300 blk., why do people use 300 blk?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        6.5 Creed has a shorter case length to allow longer bullets to fit SA magazines.
        It is also more space efficient due to a steeper shoulder angle.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I want everyone that renames a cartridge and pretends it's new shot to death with the original.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Go read Wikipedia stop being a moron

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >noooo don't discuss weapon calibers on a weapon board, we have to talk about Ukraine!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You're not wrong but also OP could have put the smallest bit of effort into his thread rather than asking a nebulous question and leaving

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Affordable, available, usable in most .308 platforms with minimal frickaround, good selection of good bullet, flat trajectory, bucks the wind well. Why not?

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    30% higher hit probability at long range with a barrel change on an ar10.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It's fun to say

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    what does this thread have to do with ukraine? jannies delete this shit slava ukrainii!

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    yeah what's the point when 7mm-08 exists

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It's America's cope that we didn't accept the superiority of the 6.5 Swedish cartridge.

      See above

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        6.5x55 is a long action cartridge. 6.5 Creed is short action.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >higher BC lighter weight bullets
    >compatible with short action rifles
    why does this make people upset

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I think because so few people actually shoot. Or at least shoot a lot, in field conditions, or a variety of distances.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I've started looking at most /k/ posts like I look at people who buy collectible sneakers and argue about sneaker brands
        it's made the whole board a lot more bearable while I try and find the few good posts by people who actually know something, have practical experience or atleast shoot a lot

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Why does this round cause so much seethe when it's an objectively better replacement for 308 in long distance shooting at a similar price point? Your conscript machinegun ammo can still coexist you know

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      too popular with the crowd contrarians hate. contrarians will say 30-06 is best despite not owning a rifle that fire it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      260remington already existed, is more powerful, and feeds perfectly in 308 mags because of identical case taper.
      6.5x47lapua already existed and is more inherently accurate.

      6.5sneed is just another example of Hornady choosing to brute force their own stuff into the market rather than be a trusted loader of existing cartridges, and in the process condemning those cartridges to obscurity despite their superior attributes. 260 Remington by all rights should be the 6.5 AR10 cartridge of choice, and in the high-end it is, but at the low end it's not practical to offer it because ammo isn't as available.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >inherently accurate
        People who believe this sort of thing have probably never fired a rifle in their lives.

        260 Rem's case length it too long to seat high BC bullets and still fit in SA mags, even fixed mags let alone AR10 pattern ones.
        6.5x47 is equal to 6.5 Creed as far as handling high BC bullets, but the Creedmore bests it in case capacity so can send those high BC bullets at higher velocities.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >People who believe this sort of thing have probably never fired a rifle in their lives.
          No, you're just wrong. Some cartridges are notoriously difficult to load for, and some are famously easy. 6.5lapua and 6.5creed are perfect to compare in this way, because 6lap shoots like shit, and 6creed shoots really well.

          As for your assertion about 260, no, it fits the 143's and 142's just fine. If you want to genuinely gap the 260 in bullet weight or performance you need to move up to the SAUM or PRC, Creedmoor is essentially a worse-feeding clone.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            6 Creed is the second winningest chambering in PRS, only recently having moved behind 6 Dasher. 6.5 Creed was up there until the higher BC 6mm bullets showed up a few years ago, and was well ahead of 6.5x47.

            It is only "hard" to load for for morons, but then what isn't hard for a moron?

            And no 260 does not fit 147 ELDMs "just fine" within its SAAMI spec. They displace so much case capacity it ends up with less than 6.5 Creed, and with without a custom throat you can't get the bullet into the lands.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          accurate
          >People who believe this sort of thing have probably never fired a rifle in their lives.
          Good to know the entire F-class league tables are full of first time shooters.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            you've clearly misunderstood what he's said on such a fundamental level that beginning to explain it to you is pointless

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >all those words
              >not just calling him moronic

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              >"OMG, I can't even"

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So they all started shooting 7-6.5 PRC because it’s inherently accurate, right? Not just because high quality 6.5 PRC brass is readily available and the SAUM and WSM families are dying and brass is drying up.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >but why not 260 Remington?

        Short ogive space, other than that they’re identical. But ogive space is really important for a long range cartridge.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I'm sure it wouldn't be a big problem if Remington successful sold it like the 6.5mm Creedmore guys have done. Real missed opportunity on their part.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Nufudds

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      it's all contrarianism
      308truthers arent working on logic but sunken cost and or "but you don't need that!"ism

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        because you really don't. .308 is cheaper, more plentiful, doesn't burn out barrels as fast and if you don't mind the recoil and don't shoot further than 500 yards there's basically no benefit to the 6.5 Creed.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          doesn't matter it's better

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >cheaper
          not if it's match ammo
          >more plentiful
          yeah, but if this were a deciding factor forever we'd still be using muskets
          >doesn't burn out barrels as fast
          finally an actual tangible advantage
          >if you don't mind the recoil and don't shoot further than 500 yards
          I do shoot further than 500 regularly and the lower recoil allows me to spot my own shots without a muzzle brake

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Flatter shooting is also often better even within 500 yards, making wind calls a lot easier

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            > if this were a deciding factor
            it's out there at your lgs, that's a definite advantage
            >we'd still be using muskets
            no we wouldn't. what a moronic idea.
            >I do shoot further than 500 regularly
            no you don't

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              it's out there at your lgs, that's a definite advantage
              lucky for me I live in a place where long range shooting is popular and local stores are stocked with 6.5mm projectiles regularly
              >no we wouldn't. what a moronic idea.
              you're right, we'd still be throwing rocks with slings
              >no you don't
              wanna bet bud?

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              6.5 is everywhere. It’s definitely the third most popular center fire rifle cartridge after 223 and 308 here. Where not talking about 257 weatherby here

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >it's an objectively better replacement for 308 in long distance shooting
      From the people who brought you "let's militarize varmint rounds that Antifa rioters walk away from"

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        the only guy who walked away got hit in the arm though

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >mossy oak chink with an earring
    lmao

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    people are telling me 6.5 creedmoor is this ultimate perfectly flat shooting long distance caliber but then they'll tell me you can't get match grade ammo for it but there's plentiful for .308 and 30-06 so I don't understand what in the absolute fricking shit

    think I'll just stick to muh .308 because it's cheaper and get a 30-06 if I get serious about long distance, it is what it is

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >6.5 creedmoor is this ultimate perfectly flat shooting long distance caliber
      It's not. What it is is an easy way to get magnum cartridge ballistics out of a short action and without the recoil associated with them.

      >get a 30-06 if I get serious about long distance
      30-06 is barely an improvement over .308 for that, outside of a few handloads or boutique match ammo there's virtually no difference. There are much better cartridges for that out there, short action or long action, some even in mini action lengths.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >30-06 is barely an improvement over .308 for that, outside of a few handloads or boutique match ammo there's virtually no difference
        So apart from the ammo which makes a difference, there's no difference?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >So apart from the ammo which is barely an improvement, there's no difference?
          yes, thanks for your reading comprehension

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, of course. 225 G1 of .777 and 185 G1 or .530 are essentially the same numbers. After all, they go the same speeds at the muzzle, which is how cartridge gooderness is decided.

            • 1 month ago
              Anonymous

              That's not what i said at all. I'm sorry that you have trouble admitting that 30-06 is a very mediocre long range cartridge.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                It's a necessary implied belief to state that the difference is barely an improvement.

                I have no trouble admitting that 30-06 is a very mediocre long range cartridge, but that's only because of the wealth of magnum cartridges available. 30-06 is still far, far superior to 308 as a long range cartridge, 308 being a diabolically shit long range cartridge.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >It's a necessary implied belief
                No it's not. Factory loads all have the same velocity/energy as the .308 and only the really heavy bullets that don't fit into .308 OAL offer any advantage, and those heavy bullets have even less velocity so the bullet drop and windage only start improving at really long ranges, 800yd+ i reckon, and those bullets are all in very rare boutique ammo.
                >30-06 is still far, far superior to 308 as a long range cartridge, 308 being a diabolically shit long range cartridge.
                There's barely any difference between them, if .308 is diabolically shit then so is 30-06.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Just for the anon i'm replying to, i checked the catalog of SIG Elite Performance, Hornady and Black Hills for .308 and 30-06 ammo and all of them offer the rounds in identical bullet weights with the same exact bullets, from 150gr and lower to 175-180gr ones. With heavier 175gr bullets 30-06 loads offer about 100fps more velocity which is all the difference between the cartridges amounts to, which is absolutely nothing to write home about. Black hills offer 180gr Barnes TSX load for the 30-06 but with the identical velocity to the 178gr Hornady load in .308 the latter is actually superior with a better BC.

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                Then why is .308 so popular as a long range cartridge? 30-06 was made obsolete ages ago by being no better than .308 in a smaller chassis while being worse than magnum cartridges in the same chassis. It's relevance has been carried by reloaders and that's it

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                >shitting on 30-06
                Lemme guess, small feminine arms?

              • 1 month ago
                Anonymous

                There’s like 75-100 fps difference between 308 and 3006 out of a 22 or 24 in sub180gr loads. That’s not nothing, but it isn’t enough to make one significantly better at range. And let’s not pretend that 3006 easily seats 200grainers

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      My local ace hardware has stacks of Eldm in both creedmores

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly, just because it was the caliber of my first rifle that I bought.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    It literally addressed the (at least perceived) shortcomings of .308. That's it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      7mm-08 does that better without sacrificing lethality

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        They’re both lethal as hell with modern bullets. I’d have no complains taking either against moose or black bear

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